/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5262214
Hey hey, people. I recognize that pic OP.

Arcanum was janky but I liked its weirdness. Never finished it though, I don't remember why.

>>5262214
I didn't play that many. But I liked

Fallout
Fallout 2
Arcanum
Planescape: Torment

I enjoyed Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate for different reasons. If Baldur's Gate had the focus and mature writing of Icewind Dale (as well as its neat portraits) I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

>>5262214
whose face is shopped in that pic?

>>5262271
>I don't remember why
Because by the time you reach Caladon, the game pretty much collapses. The main quest turns into back-and-forth between various places just to kill time, the combat starts to be main focus and by that point you are usually done with all the sidequests anyway. So the third act is a massive slog focused on combat.
And combat is fucking awful, regardless of build. It's just janky, boring and fucking bland.

I csn't get into Baldur's Gate 1, I'm too bored.

Can I skip it lads?

>>5262624
You can skip western RPGs as a whole.

>>5262214
I like the idea of those games but I always feel that the execution's been a bit piss poor
and at the same time you've got modern games which just make the same mistakes as the old games

though if you venture into action rpg territory, there's deus ex which still has a piss poor execution but it's one of my favourite games

>>5262624
The good thing about having played Baldur's Gate is that, even though the game was mediocre, I can safely dismiss the opinion of anyone who says Baldur's Gate was a great cRPG.

>>5262505
SsethTzeench or something like that.

Which CRPG has the best and most interesting combat?

>>5262271
Hey, hey people. OP here. Arcanum took some getting used to after the simplicity of Fallouts 1 and 2, my first foray into CRPGs. Thankfully, it got me ready for Planescape Torment. I love the Tolkienian Fantasy meets Vernian Steampunk setting, though.

>>5262497
Is Baldur's Gate any good? It's on my Steam Wishlist.

>>5262628
What's the final solution to the eternal weeb?

>>5262505
https://youtu.be/QXAPdwOza9U

Welcome to enlightenment, Anon.

>>5262825
Jagged Alliance 2 with 1.13 patch

How does Pool of Radiance compare to Baldur's Gate? I have never played the former.

>>5263010
Sides: On their way to rings of Saturn

>>5263024
His retrospectives are a comedy goldmine. I highly recommend his review on Deus Ex and Morrowind.

>>5263093
>and red guards evolved into functional members of society

>>5263007
Baldur's Gate has the most interesting and fun gameplay among the titles you mentioned.
Story is more than alright, nothing revolutionary but nothing retarded either. Good dialogues and charaters, especially in the second one (I'd recommend playing the first with the mod npcproject, which adds loads of surprisingly good banters). A lot of content, sometimes really good, sometimes a bit less. But great level design, fun exploration at the beginning, great dungeons later on and lots of fun things to do in combat if you take the time to understand the system (and eventually install mods like SCS).
If you get the EE, avoid beamdog companions on a first playthrough, they are often tonally out of place with the rest of the universe.

Final score: good, out of very.

>>5262562
>Arcanum and Bloodlines are the same game

>>5263269
>Thanks, Troika!

>>5262214
Based ssethposter

Hey, hey people. Just letting you know that Baldur's Gate 2 is the greatest CRPG of all time. Playing BG1 is optional, but mostly for the backstory, because the gameplay itself isn't very good and will turn many people off the series. And fuck those fags on the Codex (and here) who are all about MUH LOW LEVEL ADVENTURAN. Yeah, getting one-shotted by a kobold archer is awesome! So much realism! I mean, after all you're playing an elf in a fictional universe. Firing magic out of his fingers. But everything just works in BG2. Gameplay, story, progression... it's just a piece of art.

Also, if Jagged Alliance 2 (1.13) is a CRPG, then that's also the greatest CRPG of all time.

>>5265336
YOU'VE GOT MY EAR

>>5263269
>>5263535
Is it any fun to play a dumb low-charisma murderdude in any of these CHOICES & CONSEQUENCES games? I've never tried, but it seems like you'd be missing out a pot.

Is it worth it?

>>5265349
Yeah, if your intelligence is less than 4 in Fallout 1 and 2, you character becomes a mentally stunted special needs child who cannot speak in complete sentences.

Less than 2, and he or she speaks in grunts.

>>5265349
That's how I did it and it worked for me. At some point the combat becomes horrible so with an strong dumb ogre you just need to put it in real time and wait until everything is dead. Also you get really funny lines, like final boss asking how the fuck a literal retard made it so far.

>>5265336
>Playing BG1 is optional

Playing Might and Magic 7, when does it get good?
Is it a slow burner? What do people like about it?

>>5262214
I think Temple of Elemental Evil is underrated. The story sucked ass, but it's the most faithful implementation of the 3.5 rules that I know of. (and I'm a sucker for turn based combat)

>>5265926
He's right, you know.

BG2 made the first game look like ass. Better story, better gameplay, better visuals, better everything. I guess if you like wandering around in boring wilderness areas BG1 is better.

>>5263093
stalker will always be my favorite of the bunch.

>>5266443
Its underrated because no one could actually play it when it came out. In my case, the executable literally would not run.

>>5266447
I dropped BG1 in a boring wilderness area years ago and never tried 2

>>5262214
Man, Arcanum's pretty good.
I love the create-your-own-class mechanic.
I love the companions.
I love how there are more than 1 way to finish quests.
I also love the setting and most especially the OST.

>>5265349
Yes.
The dialog and diary entries in Arcanum become very entertaining to read.
Worth the 2nd playthrough just to play dumb desu.

>>5266767
I'd recommend giving 2 a try. You don't need to have played the first one, it does a good job of bringing you up to speed and its better in pretty much every way.

OP here again. Based on the cRPGs I mentioned, what cRPGs do you recommend? (Aside from Baldur's Gate, as I already planning to play that series; and the Wasteland series, as I have played both).

That said, does Wasteland even count as a cRPG?

>>5267107
Why wouldn't it? It's a good crpg and Fallout was its spiritual successor, actually.

I'd recommend the first Dark Sun and Betrayal at Krondor.

>>5267107
You're already set for about 200 hours with BG 1 and 2, and a lot more if you fall into the pit of difficulty mods and build autism, which are amazing if you enjoy the gameplay.
And if you enjoy the gameplay, obviously go for Icewind Dale too at some point.
Ultima IV or VII are easy to get into, once you get used to the UI, the story is good, the writing is fun, the gameplay is somewhere between absolutely visionary and completely broken, the music is cool, both really enjoyable games. If you're in for the long run, start with the 4th, you can import your character up to the 6th.

>>5266767
2 has more content density and the gameplay is more interesting since you start with a lot more options than in the first.
That said, the last third of the first is like this too, when you finally reach the bridge to Baldur's Gate, the game becomes more fast paced and a lot more like its successor. There is no more running around aimlessly, the city itself is great to explore, there are some cool places and quests, and you start having enough spells and gear to have interesting gameplay options and strategies. Also I'd say it's worth finishing BG1 for Durlag's Tower alone. By the time you finsh this fucking dungeon for the first time you can really feel the progression from when you started in bumfuck, fearun with your shitty quarterstaff and 100gp
Completing the entire saga is really one of the best experiences in rpgs

>>5263204
>Baldur's Gate has the most interesting and fun gameplay among the titles you mentioned.
That title belongs to Fallout, but BG is plenty good.

>>5267228
depends on what you look for, but fallout combat isn't nearly as fun as baldur's gate combat.
In other areas Fallout might be a more interesting game, but BG combat allows for a fuckton of playstyles and pushing the system to its limits is very rewarding. It can be played and replayed almost like a hack'n slash except each playthrough is more different than the next. The DnD rules and spells make for a combat system both meaningful and complex to really master, with a great sense of progression.

>>5266447
I disagree, story and narrative are far superior in 1.
And yes, I appreciated exploration.

>>5262214
I bought Arcanum yesterday. I don't know why.

>>5262624
It's a shitty game, no idea why people like it
2 is the good one because at least it introduces writing and doesn't feel like a fast forward top down action game, but an actual ROLEPLAYGame

>>5267228
As much as I love Fallout games, I always die a little inside when I'm, for example, destroying the Slavers and every single junkie outside of the mapscreen has their own turn applying Jet and then walking away at 16 AP, which even on max movement settings takes forever.

Also, after a while, the only really optimal combat choice is to either shoot the eyes or go burstfire. The nuance from aiming at different body parts is somewhat lost, cause eye-aiming does it all.

Wizardry 8 is absolutely glorious. Just make sure that you use the speed-up battle mod, because otherwise battles take forever. And there A LOT of battles. And 'a lot' times 'forever' equals frustration and quitting the game. Otherwise it's a brilliant game that doesn't require 20 mods to make it playable.

>>5262624
You're SUPPOSED to skip BG1, 2 is aeons ahead. 1 is just a basic low level D&D adventure with with the content spread very thin.

>>5265342
Fuck off Ira

>>5267124
Return to Krondor wasn't bad either. Fairly linear, but I liked the story and world building, and the lockpicking, alchemy, turn-based combat, and magic systems are fucking great.

>>5262214
Exile series by Spiderweb since they're the only ones I played as a kid. Exploration and the magic stuff was fun.

>>5267228
Let's face it, aside from setting, design of some quests and some of the writing, Fallout is not really a good game.

I've recently beat Shadowrun as shaman summoner and that was fun, and i completed Arcanum couple of times back in the day, but as really boring fighter/diplomat with some crafting. I am ready to summon the shit out of every combat; how should i build my character /vr/os?

>>5263204
I'm gonna be lynched seeing as there's a fanboy club for BG here, but the Baldur's Gate games aren't that great at all.
I love BG as much as the next guy and it did make one feel like having a grand adventure at least on the first play through, but it's not without its flaws either.

The game is based on DnD, but BioWare takes liberties with the rules anyway,
The stat Charisma might as well not exist,
There are a lot of inconsistencies with the story: Good aligned characters have to choose between interacting with vampires or thieves and killing indiscriminately, Irenicus and girl casting a spell makes the spell police come and take them to spellhold, but if you do it they come and kill you, etc.,
The illusion of choice: giving you lots of choices in dialogue when most of them end up in the same way that they might as well not have been offered,
The game is packed with items such as enhanced/magical weapons that there is absolutely no use for normal ones, and sometimes it doesn't even make sense either: magic axe in the bedroom, enhanced bow in the sewers, etc.,
Made mainstream and trendy romance quests which is pretty revolting and annoying: having sex mid-dungeon, Jaheira forgetting her husband in a few days for sweet MC cock, etc.

>>5267439
>t. contrarian

>>5268795
>The game is based on DnD, but BioWare takes liberties with the rules anyway,
>The stat Charisma might as well not exist

So which is it?

>>5268795
>The illusion of choice
All games have the illusion of choice. The Stanley Parable is a game entirely based around exposing that.
>The game is packed with items such as enhanced/magical weapons that there is absolutely no use for normal ones
So... in what RPG is a normal dagger better than a magical one?

I'll grant you the spellhold bit is something of a plot contrivance. But as with real DnD when the players try and sidestep the plot my question always is "Do you want to play the fucking game or not?". It's like using the warp pipes in Mario. Sure... you skipped half of the game you paid for. Go you?

>>5269079
>All games have the illusion of choice.
Some games at least have the decency to only show dialogue options that at least lead somewhere else.
And even some fewer games actually enable the player to play evil and not just some dick like BG games.

>>5269079
>So... in what RPG is a normal dagger better than a magical one?
Did you read the entire line?
magical and enhanced items are so common, there might as well be no normal weapons.
Other games made magical weapons fewer than normal ones that you at least spent a modicum amount of time using them before throwing them away.

>>5269090
>magical and enhanced items are so common, there might as well be no normal weapons.

Its forgotten realms, dude. Its a high fantasy setting where you can't turn over a rock without finding an epic level wizard underneath.

>>5269090
>magical and enhanced items are so common, there might as well be no normal weapons.
As is true in DnD. You use normal weapons that have a chance to break for a level or two in BG1.

>>5268858
>a contrarian is somebody who likes exploration in games and rates games higher based on that
t. /v/tard

Anybody in here played much Neverwinter Nights 2? Which campaign was their favorite? I'm playing through them all and I think I'm getting close to finished with Mysteries of Westgate.

>>5269938
I'll be the weirdo and say I liked storm of zehir. Let you mess around with all those weird characters you always wanted to make.

Nwn2 was good but God was the toolset a letdown. After how mod friendly the first game was.

>>5269938
Going with Storm of Zehir like >>5269974 said. It also works surprisingly well for co-op.

>>5269079
>So... in what RPG is a normal dagger better than a magical one?
In Arcanum.
http://arcanum.wikia.com/wiki/Swords#Balanced_Sword

>>5269305
>You can only be contrarian if you overhype things

>>5269305
>a person who takes a contrary position or attitude
>Merriam-Webster's Dictionary

>>5270102
Balanced sword is great, but Sword is better. Not a Sword, THE Sword. The one from pit fight in the prison. And it has neutral amplitude, too. The only downside it's an unique object, despite being generic in everything but damage output and speed.

>>5268307
FO2 was better anyway. At least they bothered to make half of the mechanics that simply were there in FO1 revelant.
>Inb4 Memout
Anyone who played FO1 knows the game starts with blatant Pulp Fiction reference and has the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF SUCH REFERENCES sprinkled all over the game. A game that's considerably smaller and more packed. This is what nostalgia does to your perception - you no longer see things as they are, but instead imagine them to be something entirely different. In case of FO1, it's "this serious, somber post-apo game with no random hijinks".

>>5270160
>This is what nostalgia does to your perception

That feeling when you play a game you loved as kid only to realize its dogshit.

>>5270160
I agree but FO1 is still a better written game, if only for the final act, because everything about the tanker quest and Enclave rig is shit.

>>5270160
Speaking about BG1, i am starting my first ever playthrough (i played Fallouts when i got my first PC circa 2003 but never had any Infinity Engine games). I barely reached the first town but i really want to drop it because ye olde fantasye speecheth from every character is annoying as fuck. Is it worth it?

>>5262214
i haven't been playing FO2 for a long time so i started an Unarmed-only run for FO2. im now regretting it since im more likely to get shot to death before i get right in their face to take a shot at them instead. The prizefighter rep might be worth it though. What do you guys recommend for me to start with instead here?

>>5270213
Do whatever the fuck you want you ADD riddled tard, anonymous posts on a mongolian origami forum won't help you realize if you enjoy a game or not.
Nobody can help your attention span nor reduce your ability to invent problems.
If three patterns of speech from minor characters are enough to make you want to drop a game before you've even spent two hours on it, ask yourself why are you even playing crpgs.
So I'd say drop it, from what you say you have no intention of giving it a chance and the meagre work it deserves to be understood. Now that you haven't played it you'll be able to make vague cryotic posts with the cool kids on the boards about why this critically acclaimed classic isn't that good.

>>5265349
FO2 is pretty funny being retarded. You do miss out on some companions though, because they don't wanna follow a retard around

>>5270252
Get psycho, bonus move, and other drugs.

Unarmed gets really good

>>5270213
BG1 is entirely skippable. BG2 is where the fun is. You can literally never play 1 and still have fun with 2.

>>5270318
>t. a cunt intentionally missing the point
And you have the audacity to talk about ADD?

>>5265349
Arcanum is great as a retard, since you miss maybe 15% of quests (usually that's the amount of quests you are left with). It also gives you an option of playing as a genius savant, so you still have high Int to figure things out, but speak like a retard and everyone treats you like one.
And as mentioned, Fallout 2 has tonnes of fun as a moron, along with bunch of hidden easter eggs about your PC being retarded.

>>5270252
>im now regretting it since im more likely to get shot to death before i get right in their face to take a shot at them instead
Bullshit. There is maybe a handful of fights in entire game when unarmed has any sort of disadvantage. Otherwise it's fucking game-breaking powerful. Not to mention you can increase it for free by obscene amount of points if you play our cards right, so you don't even need to tag it. And even if you tag it, you can still increase it for free to pretty high level.
You don't even need drugs, all you need is as much movement (not just AP, movement) as possible and duking attacks left and right. Remember to use the special attacks, they come with armour piercing capabilities, along with greatly increase critical chance and extra damage. And you can ignore knuckles almost entirely, since they deal less damage than your bare hands most of the time.
Either way, read up:
https://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Unarmed#Fallout_2_and_Fallout_Tactics

The so-called tribal run (Unarmed & Melee as your only combat choices) is by far one of the most fun and engaging ways of playing the game.

>>5270607
Guy's asking if he should keep on playing a game he wants to drop after two hours, I tell him to do whatever the fuck he wants and explain why nobody should give a fuck about his stupid retarded question that only he can answer. What misunderstood point is there?
BG1 is equally as fun as 2 for different motives, it all depends on what you enjoy in a rpg. You can also have the time of your life with the first and skip 2 and ToB.

>>5270646
>It's the same as 2
>But it's different
It's like you are retarded on purpose at this point.

>>5270729
>literal illiterate incapable of making sense of words
>talked about missing the point barely a post ago
Pretty sad tbqh.

>>5263007
Anon you were replying to here. I thought Baldur's Gate was an extremely mediocre game.

The story is boring. The characters are awful. The only genuinely good part of the game is the end dungeon for its expansion, nothing more.

>>5270759
Incredible arguments, 10/10 post, have your first (you)

>>5262214
STOP SAYING HEY HEY PEOPLE HES IN MY HEAD AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>5268307
Thank you. Fallout has to be the most overrated game, probably ever. And I say this as someone who loves pretty much every crpg from that era.

>>5270745
>Get caught on being wrong
>N-no you

>>5270801
>Fallout has to be the most overrated game, probably ever
Mate, are you even trying?

>>5270769
have a good one

cRPGs are fucking visual novels, there is more reading boring dialogue about how teh Chosen One needs to kill Evil Overlord with an ancient sword of AIDSmancery than there is actual fucking gameplay, shit boomer genre that rightfuly died

>>5270865
>t. someone who never played any cRPG at all
Alternative, your experience boils down to trying Torment, "bestah RPG evah", which IS a visual novel.

>>5262214
not as good as jrpg's

>>5270824
>can only express his dishonest deflections through greentexting and strawmanning
Incredibly interesting conversation tbqh famalam

>>5266447
Baldur's gate 2 felt too much like a roller coaster ride where Bioware's really irritating tropes would start to emerge.

>>5270996
>I hate Bioware, must find reason to hate this game too
Baldur's Gate 2 has no retarded and obnoxiously political use of any trope whatsoever.
You're judging a game based on what its parent company will do years later
That's a bit retarded

>>5271005
I didn't say I disliked the game, just why I like 1 over 2.

>>5271015
yeah i got it, i'm just saying that there's nothing irritating in the way tropes are used in BG2 and that seeing vague traces that somewhat remind you of something you actually disliked in later bioware games isn't an argument at all when considering BG2

>>5262214
My favorite /vr/ RPGs are the ones that came before isometric failed-novelist faggotry. Absolutely cannot stand those clunky things. I just ignore everything that happened in the late 90s / early 2000s. Lately there's been a resurgence in discussion about these games due to clones on kickstarter trying to rekindle the glory of the so-called renaissance, and they're all bad. All of them.

>>5271027
I am fine with them (they was my gamer starter pack right after bootleg chinese NES clone at ny friend's place after all) but i just hate when people call them "the golden age of CRPGs" or mistakengly think that when someone mentions the golden age, he is talking about late 90s.

>>5271027
so what do you enjoy, first person 80's RPGs? Because isometric text heavy rpgs were a thing long before the late90s

>>5270646
>Guy's asking if he should keep on playing a game he wants to drop after two hours
I literally asked a different thing - is the game worth tolerating the style of the dialogues that i don't like. Why are you so angry?

>>5270801
>Fallout has to be the most overrated game, probably ever.
I still love it though. I think that people who like its setting, which is great, tend to overlook its flaws a bit.

>>5271110
Because you've barely played the game and already found petty complaints about it, there are few characters that speak like that.
If you feel like you have to "tolerate" anything, why would you, too?
I mean Baldur's Gate is a classic, both for its fun and mostly good writing and its pretty deep and interesting gameplay, if you can be bothered to give a shit about what you're doing. Of course it's worth finishing.
But if it's not your thing, it's not your thing, play something that you enjoy, if all you are looking for are things to complain about. What do you expect anyone to tell you?

>>5271140
>Because you've barely played the game and already found petty complaints about it, there are few characters that speak like that.
Yes, i did. What's wrong with that? I didn't see the rest yet - hence, the question.
>If you feel like you have to "tolerate" anything, why would you, too?
Because i think that people are counting it as a classic RPG milestone for a reason, and if i don't like some aspect of it, it's not the reason to not give it a chance?
>What do you expect anyone to tell you?
I was expecting some opinions on the topic of "Is all the game dialogue written by tryhard that thinks that every peasant should speak in liturgical english and if yes, will it break everything else for me". Sorry, i didn't know that i only allowed to ask the questions that i already know the answers for.

>>5271183
anyone is allowed to ask any question whatsoever imo but they are also allowed to be called a retard when they are indeed somewhat retarded
So if you really want an answer, no, not every peasant talks like (actually almost no one talks in lithurgical english, and absolutely nobody in the second one), no the game isn't written by tryhards, yes it is good and you should give it a chance if you decide to focus your attention elsewhere than on finding complaints for your youtube review.
Which shouldn't be too difficult unless you're a jaded contrarian.

>>5262214
PErsonal favorites are everything on the Ultima VI engine: U6, Martian Dreams, Savage Empire.

U7 is also awesome.

Loved Might and Magic 4&5.

Also have a soft spot for Phantasie

>>5271258
Aaand I just went through the whole thread. I feel old now. Sigh.

>>5271258
I started Ultima 7 recently, really enjoying it especially after figuring out RT32 sound existed, really fun game despite the combat being pretty much incomprehensible, there's so much fun shit to do.
Probably will be playing 6 afterwards if i'm not burned out by the point i finish serpent isle, I just played the very start so far and the intro is really something. Do you recommend starting with the 4th and importing a character throughout the three games or just starting with the 6th?

>>5271305
Not him, but the importing thing is mostly there to give you a bump on starting levels and stats, there's no decisions carrying over (unlike Wizardries). It's more about getting to say "this is MY character" more than anything. But 4-5-6 are stellar crpgs and must plays for anyone interested in the genre.

OP again, just checking in.

>>5270213
This. I loved Fallout 2's longer playtime, mechanics, dialogue, companions, quests, towns, etc.

But as far as writing goes, the story is much better (especially the second act), and The Master is a better final boss than Frank "Mutant Doomguy" Horrigan. He has actual goals aside from just following orders from some scrawny old dude.

>>5271847
In addition, The Master's appearance and voice(s) STILL creeps me out.

>"So, what shall it be? Do you join the Unity, or do you die here? Join. DIE! Join. DIE!"

Frank "Every Mutie Makes For Good Shootie" Horrigan sounds like your generic, baritone, gravelly-voiced bad guy.

>>5270769
A MANY THANKS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE MERCHANTS GUILD FOR GENEROUSLY FUNDING THIS POST.

>>5271870
Hava nagila hava

>>5271847
>Generic Black Isle BBEG you can talk into suicide, has delusion of gradeur and his "master" plan is so full of holes it's amazing he never realised how stupid it is on his own, not to mention never testing it further
>Combat-wise, it's a stationary target with shitty weapons
>Somehow this is better
What I liked about FO2 was the fact they get outside their comfort zone and said "fuck it, you have to fight the final boss, no more chit-chat".

>>5271140
>>5271196
>t. still salty and still a cunt

New video when, Sseth? GOD HURRY UP.

>>5273019
In all fairness, I prefer choice in these scenarios. Nothing's stopping you from lighting up The Master with a minigun or gatling laser (in fact, if flavor text in a sequel's instruction manual is to be believed, that was the canon solution the Vault Dweller went with).

I like that Black Isle gave players the choice to either kill him through combat, stealth, or speech.

I suppose the Frank Horrigan fight has SOME stealth and diplomacy to it, where you convince some Enclave soldiers to help you, and you sneak past Frank to adjust a security turret's targeting perimeters right before the fight if you want the fight to go a bit smoother. But that's a stretch. It just feels like a cop-out to me, after they gave you so many ways of dealing with the final boss of the first game-- Hell, there were TWO final bosses in the first game. And you couldn't talk Lieutenant into an heroing, if I remember correctly. Avoiding him entirely was still an option, but I digress.

>>5274065
>I like that Black Isle gave players the choice to either kill him through combat, stealth, or speech.
Shame they did that in their every single fucking game and then Troika kept this "tradition" up. Done once - innovative. Done every fucking time - seriously? Do I really have to face another asshole I need to talk down?

And fight against Horrigan is pretty much "do whatever the fuck you can to kill him, before he wipes the floor with you".

>>5274171
For me, Horrigan is easier to kill than The Master. Probably because of all of the companions you can recruit, the better weapons and armor you have access to, and all of the handicaps they offer you, but still. Note that I said, "EASIER". His fight is still arduous and satisfying.

>Do I really have to face another asshole I need to talk down?

You don't HAVE to talk anybody down
You can just as easily go in with intent to kill the final boss in a climactic final battle. That's why I like the CHOICE to go about it from a different angle. If I still WANT to, I can bring my entire arsenal to the final boss's chambers, and let loose. It's just that I do so knowing I can also have a pleasant conversation with him about the ethics of eugenics, genocide, and why he should consider vuntary euthanasia to achieve the same results.

And let's be honest, in Arcanum, a diplomatic build is probably one of the best builds in the game. Sure, you can have combat and stealthy characters, but I'd rather have a final boss confrontation that reflects my chosen playstyle throughout the game.

>>5274171
>Done once - innovative. Done every fucking time - company's tradition and what is generally expected from their titles
Fixed that for you.
>Do I really have to face another asshole I need to talk down?
But you don't need to talk him down anon, you can start unloading shit at him any time you want. Fallout 2 it is in fact very good in that regard where diplomat still gets the fight but can make it way easier because dem Granite troops (as opposed to, say, NV, where it is easier to talk Lanius down than trigger the combat in th dialogue). People like Master more because of his writing, not the actual combat, because Horrigan just barely qualifies as a character (especially after all the buildup in the game).

>>5275618
This

>>5275618
>It's all right if we call repetitive bullshit "tradition" and pretend nothing wrong happend
Are you really this retarded, or just trying too hard?

>>5262214
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

>>5262497

Icewind Dale had writing?

>>5278474
By Chris Avellone, no less.

>>5278474
it had the best kind of writing, that which doesn't bother you

I was never into crpg's, but now I'm interested. I'm thinking of playing planescape torment, should I play the original or the 2017 enhanced edition?

>>5274171
You can't talk your way out of the big fights in VtM Bloodlines or ToEE, what are you even talking about?

Its a fun easter egg in Fallout that you're acting like is the normal playstyle.

>>5279887
He probably meant the ending of Arcanum, which can be solved by saying to the big bad that being edgy and angsty teen is a bad thing, especially if one does so for few thousands of years. And the BBEG agrees, asking to be euthanised.

>>5279873
Just play the 2017 Edition.

It's one of the same case as the original System Shock. The original is still GOOD, it's just a good thing there was an updated version released in recent years that makes the original obsolete.

>>5280431
It's a good thing that there were mods that made the 'enhanced' edition obsolete years before it came out

>>5281401
...The enhanced edition is made up of mamy of those mods, but okay.

>>5281408
refer to beamdogpasta.txt

is baldurs gate 1 really optional? i havent gotten into baldurs gate cause it fucking blows the farthest i got was the iron mine, can i really just skip to supposedly one of the best rpgs of all time? i just really hate squad based combat it's not fun or satisfying to me

>>5281792
If it isn't fun, don't play it.

Have you tried not playing with the full 6 character party though? Its a newbie trap. It kills your xp gain, making it very hard to get out of the dangerous early levels, makes micromanagement a pain, and makes pathfinding become an issue. I usually play with 4 characters and upgrade to 5 for the endgame.

>>5281805
but do i miss out on anything narrative wise? that's what i care about that's why i was trying to slog through it

>>5281812
No. The entire plot of BG1 is recapped in the intro and tutorial dungeon of BG2.

Baldur's Gate 2 is still a tactical squad based RPG, though...

>>5273997
He has great fucking taste in games and the fact there's a greater than zero chance we'll see a Caesar2/Capitalism video from him is great but his jokes are almost always shit.

>>5262271
> Never finished it though
I played through it twice. Once normal, once with an Idiot Savant.

Being stupid locks you out of a lot of content, but it's also one of the few times I legit laughed out loud at a game. That shit was fun as hell.

I have never replayed it past that, though. Tried a few times, always peter out before making it to Tarant.

>>5271027
Are you the last surviving person who thinks early Wizardry is good?