/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes but this game has the most
ass-fuck retarded 'plot' in the history of gaming

>>5216978
Right, unless Rinoa is Ultimecia, and then it is based/redpilled

Why can't FF8 kids just admit that the plot and characters are absolute trash?

>>5216959
It's just adorable how desperate FF8 fans are to make sense of its trainwreck of a plot.

>>5216992
She's a time traveling sorceress. She should have been smart enough to resurrect in a time when the main character wouldn't be a douchey wet blanket.

>>5216959
I liked the part where they were on the spaceship and Suteki da ne starts playing.

>>5217017
neat

>>5216959
Ultimecia is Rinoa's daughter.

>>5217017
When Rinoa admits to cucking Squall? And then says teehee?

>>5216992
That's a cool fanfic, but I prefer a fanfic that explains all the Rinoa-Squall-Ultimecia connections.

>>5217259
>>5217259
"Squall is dead"

this is the most juvenile final fantasy game

R=U doesn't incorporate a lot of tangible evidence into the theory. A lot of it is supposition, with a lot of "maybes," like "Maybe 'something bad' happens later on in Rinoa's life, and she goes insane!"

It claims that evidence of the theory is the existence of Ultimecia's Griever summon, because whoever wrote it is under the impression that Ultimecia created Griever based on her memories of Squall. But what's actually happening in the game is that Ultimecia is literally using the Draw command on Squall.

>>5217330
>"Maybe 'something bad' happens later on in Rinoa's life, and she goes insane!"
Maybe there isn't any power-of-love asspull where Rinoa saves Squall from the time-vortex just as he lays down to die, since there's no logic to that whatsoever?

>>5217330
>Ultimecia is literally using the Draw command on Squall
But this statement is supposition

>>5217318
You spelled 5 wrong

The simple fact that Square confirmed the theory wasn't true is proof it was. When have developers fucked with fan theories like this before? Never.

>>5217378
>silly medieval crap is more juvenile than teen drama

>>5217363
おまえの思う、最も強い者を召喚してやろ
おまえが強く思えば思うほど
それは、おまえを苦しめるだろう

In English, this is simplified to "The most powerful GF... ...You shall... ...SUFFER...!" We can see just from a glance how much content was left out.

A rough re-translation of this might be "I'll summon for you the mightiest you can imagine! The most powerful thing you can dream up -- I hope you suffer!"

This isn't a perfect translation either (I'm sure someone with a better grasp of Japanese has already done it, if you know what to search for), but you can see kind of how the emphasis is on a thought or belief on the part of the protagonist and how the "summoning" is dependent on this. Ultimecia also never mentions "GF," unless she referred to it in a way that GFs are referred to throughout the JP script that I'm not aware of.

>the only retro-ff no available on switch
YIKES

>>5217382
>It's true if I say it is

Marvellous logic

>>5216959
Why would Ultimecia try to kill herself multiple times?

>>5218450
Music licensing.

>>5216991
How? I'll admit that the orphanage thing is retarded, but it is hinted at right after Irvine joins the party in disc 1 with his "perhaps it's fate?" line. The rest of the story is perfectly coherent and no more ridiculous than any other video game.

>>5217330
was griever ever mentioned aside the one time you name it?

>at the end of the game Squall explains to Edea about SeeD
>just as Squall fucks off Ultimecia appears and set into motion Edea becoming a sorceress
>events of the game happen again in that timeline
>the whole game is pointless in the grand scheme

Squall never really liked Rinoa and she used her magic to seduce him

>>5219016
Aside from the lion imagery all over, no

So the theory is true or...?

>>5219396
Yes.

>>5216959

Seifer is Sephiroth's son.

It's like how FF7's plot is much more interesting when Jenova is the main villain and it's using Sephiroth to manipulate everyone so it can get to the Life Stream and drain the Planet like it has done to so many other planets. Instead, it's just some edgy anime plot with Sephiroth being a cry baby fag out for revenge against the normies.

>>5219704
Completely different:
Ultimecia being rinoa is a theory that the fandom created because it makes sense to many people.

Jenova was always the true villain of FFVII but part of the fandom love sephiroth and don't want to see the evidence like the nibbelheim library or aerith's father videos.

>>5219826
Not true, and this is confirmed canon. Copy/pasting my post from a recent thread. Don’t have my image folder right now so imagine this is accompanied by a screenshot of Sephiroth impaling Cloud in the Nibelheim reactor:

This is what actually happens per the Ultimania Omega guide.

Right up until this moment here, Sephiroth is more or less on the same level as Cloud. Obviously there is a "level" difference, but the only rift between them is experience and talent, not anything supernatural. At this point, Sephiroth, having been infused with Jenova cells the same as Hojo's other test subjects, is drawn to the Nibelheim Reactor where the whole of Jenova is kept.

Then Cloud tosses him into a sea of Mako. As you can see during Disc 2, this nearly destroys Cloud, but Sephiroth manages to survive and feed off it because "muh willpower." Like, that's literally the official reason. At this point, his power becomes so great that he achieves complete control over Jenova. If there's a sizable hunk of Jenova sitting around somewhere, he can manipulate it and turn it into the monsters you fight on the boat, at the Forgotten City, and in the crater. If there's a few stray Jenova cells lying around in someone's body, you can imagine those to be puppeteer's strings -- an imperfect sort of control.

Sephiroth is the one in control, completely.
Now you may be thinking, "but it makes for a much better and more logical story if it's actually Jenova who's the bad guy and..."

And you'd be right. But that's not the way they went.

>>5217410
Italian went something like:

"Choose and die. I will summon the being whom you consider to be the strongest. Your suffering will be your own doing."

Which is pretty good, I guess.

>>5218476
This. A hundred times THIS . Did you guys even play the game? How many times did Rinoa almost die?
The Iguanas. The vacuum of space. Adel absorbing her. Those were all directly caused but Ultimecia. That's not even counting the Garden Fight where she's dangling off the edge.

>>5219832
So Jenova is really almost just an incidental thing. If Sephiroth had tripped and fallen into the Life Stream rather than gotten thrown into it by Cloud after going berserk, Sephiroth still could have survived just by "will power." What a paper thin plot.

>>5219832
i dont care what they want. they fucked everything up with advent kids and turd of urethra, then they made queefdom farts. who cares what they say anymore? i dont and im not going to buy the episodic bullshit, because its going to be poop dick in your cereal!

>>5219832
Ultimania was release around 2005, it was a retcon because they were making advent children and needed to make sephiroth the cool villain to pleased the fans.

>>5218476
Assuming that Rinoa dying in the past does not "erase" herself in the future the answer is quite obviously to weaken SeeD and reduce their chances of stopping Ultimecia from finding Ellone. Young Rinoa was already quite powerful (even before she became a sorc) and removing her from the party weakens SeeDs ability to stop Ultimecia's plans.

to every naysayer: get blow the fuck out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorgXcHMEYA

>>5220770
Fuck off kid

>>5220326
That's just happenstance. Ultimecia obviously has a plan for Rinoal, and that is controlling her to create the time compression.

>>5220326
The R=U theory is pretty focused on the idea that she's lost her memories, so she wouldn't be able to identify her past self.

>2018
>STILL buying the R=U theory
You guys REALLY need to let this R=U thing go, we have already wasted more than a fucking decade talking about this bullshit. The fact is that Ultimecia is Rinoa's foil in similar manner Seifer is to Squall and that is all there is to it no matter how hard you try to grasp straws towards your precious fanwank theory.

We have people who worked on the actual game denying the theory:
https://kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113

We have a long, detailed FAQ made by the people who originally came up/popularized the theory in 2003 that gives the theory very fair shake but explains why it doesn't hold up in the end:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/34215

We also have ultimania translations that confirm that sorceresses lifespan is the same as a normal human’s and that Ultimecia didn't have or even know about Griever before literally Drawing it out from Squall's mind which completely destroy the ideas of Rinoa being able to live for "many generations" and turning Squall to Griever.

>B-but it's what they originally intended!!!!1!
Go ahead and find me hard evidence on this, preferably someone who worked on the actual game confirming this. Also nothing in the actual game talks for R=U if you really look deeper into the concepts in the game even if it first glance it may look like it.

tl;dr: discussion about R=U should have ended ages ago, there is NOTHING left that talks for the theory no matter how autistic you are.

>>5221831
>We have people who worked on the actual game denying the theory:
Who gives a shit, everybody accepts that it wasn’t the final version of the story

>We have a long, detailed FAQ made by the people who originally came up/popularized the theory in 2003 that gives the theory very fair shake but explains why it doesn't hold up in the end
Cause they eventually put their fanboy dicksucking ahead of being intellectually consistent

>We also have ultimania translations that confirm that sorceresses lifespan is the same as a normal human’s
Not in the game itself

>Ultimecia didn't have or even know about Griever before literally Drawing it out from Squall's mind
Ass pull. This ability is never brought up again in the game. Also the actual game doesn’t definitively confirm what you say.

>Also nothing in the actual game talks for R=U if you really look deeper into the concepts in the game even if it first glance it may look like it.
Nobody is claiming it to be canon. It’s just a way to enjoy the game more than the official story because the latter is shit.

>>5221868
>>We also have ultimania translations that confirm that sorceresses lifespan is the same as a normal human’s
>Not in the game itself
Why is Adel so hellbent in trying to find a successor to herself if she can just live forever? Do consider her personality while answering this.

>>Ultimecia didn't have or even know about Griever before literally Drawing it out from Squall's mind
>Ass pull. This ability is never brought up again in the game. Also the actual game doesn’t definitively confirm what you say.
It's not like scanning Griever say things like "in Squall's mind" or that Ultimecia is able to Draw your other GFs away while fighting her. Also I seem to remember her being able to give life to the iguana statues on disc1?

>>5221895
Speaking of thing found in the actual game while you are traveling to Ultimecia''s time in future via time kompression you encounter eleven sorceresses which clearly suggest that Rinoa has to die in order to pass on her powers to them. This alone completely destroys the R=U theory as it requires you to assume that Rinoa is the last sorceress left at Squall's time.

>>5221895
>Why is Adel so hellbent in trying to find a successor to herself if she can just live forever? Do consider her personality while answering this.
Sorceresses can’t die unless they pass on their powers. She’s trying to avoid the hellish torture of being at death’s door without actually dying were somebody to try and slay her. It’s a form of insurance.

She might also be looking for a protege to pass on the duties of ruling should she get sick of it or want to take a break. Does the game actually mention the successor has to be a sorceress?

>It's not like scanning Griever say things like "in Squall's mind" or that Ultimecia is able to Draw your other GFs away while fighting her
That’s ambiguous and can be read many different ways.

>Also I seem to remember her being able to give life to the iguana statues on disc1
Turning inanimate objects into animals is such a cliche form of magic that it’s even in the bible. She’s a fucking sorceress. Reading minds and turning them into GFs is something totally different.

>>5221921
>while you are traveling to Ultimecia''s time in future via time kompression
No, time compression is combining the past, present and future together. There’s no reason that the sorceresses aren’t all from the past. They all look dressed in old style witches clothes anyway.

>>5221938
Griever isn’t even a GF, that was just what the translator assumed/appended to the English. Ultimecia doesn’t have the weird accent either, her mannerisms are just rougher and masculine, her tone vulgar.

>>5221426
>>5221831
it's canon now fags
play mobius

>>5221938
>Sorceresses can’t die unless they pass on their powers. She’s trying to avoid the hellish torture of being at death’s door without actually dying were somebody to try and slay her.
The thing here is that as shown by the ending where Ultimecia ends up passing her powers to Edea at the orphanage in the past dying sorceresses seem to go on auto-pilot mode and go to pass on their powers to the nearest "potential sorceress" whether or not they want to.

>She might also be looking for a protege to pass on the duties of ruling should she get sick of it or want to take a break.
This here is why I wanted you to consider Adel's personality, she isn't exactly shown to be careful, thoughtful or wanting to do anything but conquer the world by brute force.

>Does the game actually mention the successor has to be a sorceress?
The ideas of "potential sorceress" and "potential to be one" are tossed around. Ellone and more specifically her powers however are very weird case (and IMO the only real storywise problem in FFVIII). here do they come from? What happens to them after she dies? Most logical thing to do would be to assume that Ellone was a sorceress but that would bring up following problems:
-Her powers would pass on to the following sorceresses all the way up to Ultimecia who in this point wouldn't need to bother to possess past sorceresses.
-Even if they didn't pass on to her she could just find the one who has then in her own time where there are no opposition for her left.

>>5221947
One of these sorceresses being from the "many generations" between Rinoa's and Ultimecia's time alone is enough to completely destroy R=U theory for good. Again your theory requires Rinoa to be the last sorceress alive and like you said dying sorceresses has to pass on their powers to the next potential sorceress and like we see in the game this isn't voluntary.

>>5221986
>phoneshit
>spin-off game
>Square-Enix game NOT made by the people who worked on FFVIII
>canon in any way

>>5221989
>whether or not they want to.
Was it actually involuntary or just Ultimecia going fuck it I don’t want to suffer, just have my powers lady. Interesting how Rinoa was literally the only person who didn’t grow up in that orphanage.

If say, Selphie, became Ultimecia she might have thought twice about cursing her Matron with the powers.

>she isn't exactly shown to be careful, thoughtful
You literally can’t become a dictator without some ability to be careful or thoughtful though.

>One of these sorceresses being from the "many generations" between Rinoa's and Ultimecia's time
Does it actually state that though? Also, can’t there be multiple sorceresses?

>>5222012
>Was it actually involuntary or just Ultimecia going fuck it I don’t want to suffer, just have my powers lady.
Ultimecia literally followed Squall through the time/space continuum to Edea's orphanage in past in order to finish him off in the past, not to voluntarily pass on her powers. Killing off Squall there might still mean a way for her to win.

> Interesting how Rinoa was literally the only person who didn’t grow up in that orphanage.
Speaking of this, this also completely destroys the idea of final words from Ultimecia while you are fighting her somehow relating to her past with Squall. Rinoa did NOT spend her childhood with Squall or the rest of the orphanage gang.
What are Ultimecia's lines about then?
They are either about her shitty past of her being unjustly persecuted as child or a just referenced the main theme of the game "you have to stop being an idiot and grow up already".

>You literally can’t become a dictator without some ability to be careful or thoughtful though.
What we are shown and told about Adel states that she became a dictator by brute force and not by clever way with words.

>Also, can’t there be multiple sorceresses?
In theory, yes but the R=U theory is completely reliant on the idea of Rinoa being the last remaining sorceress.

>>5221921
>requires you to assume that Rinoa is the last sorceress left at Squall's time.
Well, no, because that would make her a god. Sorceress powers were inherited from the god Hyne. There are never a larger number of them because the only way to become one is when a sorceress dies and passes her powers on, to one person.

>>5222057
>In theory, yes but the R=U theory is completely reliant on the idea of Rinoa being the last remaining sorceress
How so?

>>5222068
I guess the main point is that if there are many sorceresses one of them could become Ultimecia instead of Rinoa. Do remember that we kill a dozen of sorceresses during the game so some other (potential) sorceress could just kill Rinoa and receive her powers that way. Also people talking for R=U have used the idea of Rinoa being the last remaining sorceress, being able to live for many generations (which requires many questionable assumptions to be plausible) and losing her memories over this time as a basis for their theory.

Anyway even if the game states that Rinoa is the last remaining sorceress after you guys kill off Adel there is some speculation to be had here. You could say that Adel and Rinoa are the only known sorceresses left at present time, there may be some less important ones out there somewhere that we aren't aware of that live in peace somewhere hiding their powers as sorceress aren't exactly liked in FFVIII's world mainly due to war caused by Adel's actions. This line of through also is in line with >>5216992 and >>5222062

>>5221831
Explain to me why Ultimecias castle is located at the orphanage then. The orphanage is the place where Rinoa and Squall agreed to meet if they were ever separated. Why would it be there?

>>5221997
>Square-Enix game
that's all that matters
if the FFX VN is canon, so is mobius
until square says otherwise, Rinoa is now officially Ultimecia

get wreked

>>5222171
Edea's orphanage is also the birthplace/headquarter of White SeeD, the ones Ultimecia fought against at her time and won. She parked her flying castle next to it as symbol to mock them.
If I were a powerful sorcerer, had a flying castle and somehow was strong enough to take over United States of Autists I would park my flying castle next to white house or statue of liberty for the exact same reason.

>>5222185
>until square says otherwise, Rinoa is now officially Ultimecia
They already did:
https://kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113
>On the theory that Final Fantasy VIII’s Rinoa is really Ultimecia:
>“No, that is not true,” Kitase said. “I don’t think I’ll incorporate that even if we do remake the game. But that being said, both Rinoa and Ultimecia are witches, so in that sense they are similar, but they’re not the same person.”

>>5222207
>https://kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113
>rogue employee answering questions unofficially a year ago
>company releasing a new official product a week ago

>>5217012

>>5222227
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

>>5220770
>Mobius, Dissidia, Record Keeper, Kingdom Hearts; all canon.
>Cloud really went to Ivalice in FFT
Here's the deal with Mobius. There are all these amnesiacs called "Blanks" who come from different worlds. One is prophesied to become the Warrior of Light. They all have a fairy companion called "Echo" who's appearance and personality are mutable.

From what I gathered from watching the youtube videos. That's not even Squall, It's Wol in the Balamb Mercenary Job class. He had his memory erased and was separated from his Echo (dressed as Rinoa). The whole thing is like a fever dream with characters are all similar but different. Wol becomes Squall. Sophie is like Selphie, in that's shes the new girl. Graff becomes Seifer.
Meia, is dressed as Jihl Nibat from FF13 and acts like Quistis, taking Wol(Squall) to fight Ifrit.
Meia is this "Azure Witch", so it's pretty obvious her FF8 appearance is non other than Ultimecia.
If anything, the allusion is more suggestive that Quistis is Ultimecia.

>>5222219
At least that "rogue employee" worked on the actual game and could have confirmed the idea that R=U was what they were originally going for (you know the one you R=Utards have been stating as fact without any evidence to back it up for last 15 years) but outright denied your precious headcanon instead.

>>5222317
So I'm supposed to believe that Warrior of Light (bullshit character made up for Dissidia that never existed in FF1) cosplaying as Squall, Echo (whoever this is) cosplaying as Rinoa and Seifer cosplaying as Ultimecia makes R=U canon? Oh wait, R=Utards are desperate enough to take doing the muslim one finger thing as confirmation of their theory, I might as well say that Mario and Ness are the same person then after all they both constantly do the V-sign with their fingers in their games so they are clearly the same person.

Also I love how week or two ago there were several R=U threads on /v/ where you guys told that we shouldn't take anything by modern Square as fact (like Kitase denying R=U or the ultimania translations) as facts as they are only shitty retcons and should only go by the actual game and what it's developers intended in 1999. Now you guys are saying that we should go by this recently released phoneshit. WHICH IS IT? Seriously make up your mind already.

>>5222382
>outright denied your precious headcanon instead.
SE just confirmed it though. so like it or not you can fuck right off.

>>5222317
it's more like they acknowledged it. now it's canon *somewhere*.
wouldn't be surprised if this is what they went with if ff8 was ever remade.

>>5222421
>SE just confirmed it though
>it's more like they acknowledged it. now it's canon *somewhere*.
wouldn't be surprised if this is what they went with if ff8 was ever remade.
Again, which is it? You can't say both that they outright unquestionably confirmed it and that they acknowledged to some degree and may go with in future at the same time.

To me anything sort of someone who actually worked on the game clearly stating R=U as truth means it is and forever will be headcanon that only easily impressed sheep took as truth in early 2000s. If >>5220770 is your undeniable truth the video speaks more of Seifer=Ultimecia than R=U and as stated by >>5222317 it is actually characters from other FF games acting as FFVIII ones.

Hi, it's me Dr.Wily.

>>5216959
I'll just drop my 2 cents on this topic, and walk away. Because someone somewhere will have an absolutely out of control shit fit about it, I'm sure.

Rinoa=Ulti is a dumbass idea for several reasons: one, they look, act and speak totally differently, and have totally different personalities as well. Like seriously, Ulti has one hell of a weird accent, and Rinoa just talks like a normal person. Not even the passage of time can explain that one away.

Second, there is no in game hint at any connections between the two. Except for greiver and they're both sorceresses. So why not Adel=Ulti or Edea=Ulti? Those two would make more sense, honestly.

Third, R=U makes no sense from a plot standpoint, as the plot is about the power of love helping a grumpy fuck get over himself and save the world with his girlfriend and buddies. If said girlfriend turns out to be the big evil, then what's the message supposed to be? The power of love will help you kill your beloved because reasons?
At best, the only spin that could work there is the team helping stop a tragic future from coming to pass, but if that were the idea, Square would have been beating us over the head with that idea from the end of disc 1 on. Trust me. And besides, the ending suggests that fate is inescapable, and shall always come to pass.

On the greiver topic. Squall and co are the fated children. Ulti is their fated nemesis, her having knowledge of greiver, and even using it against the party as well doesn't make her rinoa. It makes her their fated nemesis. She uses something the party believes in against them. Not a huge leap here. And its never stated that greiver is just a necklace, so it may have well been real all along.

Last point: ulti's time is "far in the future". The age difference between R and U is noticeable, but not "far future" noticeable.

>>5217410
I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.

>>5222446
> it is actually characters from other FF games acting as FFVIII ones.
regardless, it starts with Ultimecia waltzing alone and then pointing upwards. it's completely unrelated to any character other than Ultimecia and Rinoa.

this is as much of a confirmation as we'll ever get unless they actually remake 8. anyone still denying it at this point is just salty.

R=U supporters I have a theory that it isn't Rinoa but Zell that ends up becoming Ultimecia in the future:

Out of constant frustration with the cafeteria being always out of hotdogs, Zell eventually starts to hate Garden and all of SeeD. So he plots out his revenge. He starts of by killing Rinoa in order to inherit her sorceress powers. And we all know that sorceress powers changes your body, so in the same way that Adel's body became masculine, Zell's turned feminine. The tattoo on his face slowly changes to the markings on Ultimecia's, and ever so slowly, Zell becames Ultimecia. Zell, as he demonstrates in The Deep Sea Research Facility, has knowledge of machinery, so he works Adel's seal in order to preserve himself till the future. His past GF usage causes him to forget that he was ever Zell, which is why Ultimecia asks you to reflect on your childhood, because he doesn't remember his. This would also explain why he made Seifer his knight as Edea, to get back at the years of picking on him. Make him his servant.

What I want you to do is to find in-game contradictions that proves that Zell doesn't become Ultimecia instead of Rinoa. Also try naming just one (1) good reason why my theory isn't just as valid as R=U is. Protip: You can't.

>>5222782
Does zell have the same in game and cgi model as ultimecia????

>>5222782
Worst post I've ever seen on this board

>>5222782
O=U

Dr. Odine discovered GFs and developed the method by which normal people are able to use para-magic. Well what if following the events of the present time in the game, Dr. Odine used Junction Machine Ellone to control Ultimecia, who used the same machine in her own time to then control the other sorceresses in a sort of weird daisy-chain?

Why would he do this? Well, following his latest mishap with his inventions being used for evil, Odine was perhaps ostracized and shunned by the scientific community and even society as a whole, like some kind of maligned Nazi scientist... so his bitterness and hatred grows.

>>5222782
>dat filename
yikes

>>5224672
>dat
Fuck off zoomer.

>>5224994
>zoomer
Yikes.

>>5222527
>Like seriously, Ulti has one hell of a weird accent, and Rinoa just talks like a normal person

Nice US only fanfiction.

>>5225016
Haha

>>5216959
R=U theory makes the story so much better that I can't believe it wasn't intentional

>>5216978
Why do people think this? It is literally no more retarded than any other FF game lol

>>5216959
You know you could make this entire fanplot idea work perfectly fine if you paint it as Rinoa being the single deviant timeline among an infinity of them, where she chooses to reject her future self, and instead seeks to destroy herself during Time Compression in order to make her timeline, where she just gets to be a normal woman, the dominant one that happens.

Paint it as an impossible war of a single kid witch against her almighty and fucked up timeline-dominant self, with Squall being the major deciding factor.

>ywn use forbidden technology to live thousands of years to repopulate the Earth with Quistis, making her pregnant tens of thousands of times over an eon and establishing the 12 Tribes of Quisits and writing a scriptural book about it that stupid non-Quistisean gentiles will rewrite and get wrong over the millennia
>die knowing that you've done good in the world by filling up the Earth with a future of faces that look like you're waifu

Fuck this existence

>>5216995
n-no you

>>5218450
Basedtendo does it again.

>>5226801
hallowed are the quistis

>>5226801
Uh........

>>5227259
This goy gets it.

>>5227587
If there's one place you shouldn't have to hide your power level, it's here

Can we work together to create a ultimate final fantasy timeline that links all the games together and establish a huge family tree of characters who are linked together

My theory is that Ultimecia is actually from the past. She escaped the sorceress war by transporting herself and her kastle to the future where she would attempt time kompression.

But in order to do that, she needed to time-junction herself in the future with herself in the past. But Odine's machine was just short of 18 years. That's why she needed Ellone to bridge the gap. Spinning it any other way and its just an arbitrary kondition.

Q=U

Similar hairstyle, similar clothing colors, griever has shockwave pulsar. It's clear that she never got over getting rejected by Squall. She probably killed Rinoa at some point because she couldn't stand the jealousy and ended up getting her powers. She probably had to kill Squall because the latter couldn't accept Rinoa's loss and kept trying to avenge her. Time compression is done in the hopes that she could attain Squall forever. You can't disprove this theory because it's true.

>>5228463
I never even finished FF8 when I realized Q didn't have a route.

Real suffering begins when you realize your waifu's main game isn't even worth finishing because she's marginalized in it.

>>5228395
how about no?

>>5218476
what makes you think she even remembers who she was
the whole point is that she's a demented hag who only clings to a VAGUE memory of being happy at some point in the very distant past

>>5228463
Lol

>>5216959
>>5216978
>>5216991
You're all fucking idiots.

>>5223117
Let's talk about the cgi and in-game models then. So you noticed that Rinoa and Ultimecia seem to share the same model? Well most female characters in the game seem to share the same body that probably is just scaled a bit differently to make then a bit taller or shorter. Rinoa and Ultimecia share the same face but so do almost all female characters in the game and to me it seems that the male characters that have more "feminine" look to them also seem to share the lower half of this face (including Zell). Speaking of these similar models there is one difference between Rinoa and Ultimecia, Ultimecia is taller than Rinoa however Quistis is about the same height as Ultimecia and also shares the same face. If we are going with similar faces and models Q=U is more likely than R=U.

>>5225147
If you are so aware of the differences between US and JP versions of FFVIII and Japanese language you should know that in Japanese language there are soft and hard versions of C's and that in the JP version Ultimecia does talk only using the hard C. Having Ultimecia talk in Mortal Kombatese is the closest way you can translate this way of talking.

>>5228463
Q=U has actually been a thing with some fans but hasn't been as up in your face everywhere as R=U has been. Just like you said the basic idea (and difference from R=U) is Quistis being jealous of Rinoa, killing her to receive her sorceress powers and the rest basically going the same way as it does with R=U. There was a site that had some more "evidence" towards Q=U but it isn't up anymore but some I what I remember being there was Shockwave Pulsar thing you mentioned, Quistis and Ultimecia sharing VERY SIMILAR face/model/stature and both having hairstyle with two long bangs and the raised part behind her head and there was something about Quistis' face facing right in the menus while the others face left which was supposed to signify Quistis looking towards the future while the others are obsessed with past.

>>5219641
>>5219396
No.

>>5216959
>Ultimecia grows up in a world that hates and persecutes sorceresses
>being a bad bitch, she manages to escape, but not without great personal loss
>she then gets revenge and kill every living seed member she can find
>In this war, she ends up discovering about the fated hero who is destined to kill her
>She also finds out about the perpetual loop she's in
>She then plans the time kompression as the only way to get out of the loop
>She knows, by raiding seed files and interrogating prisoners, that the fated child is a kid with a scar in its face, wielding a gunblade, who's in love with the dautgher of a general.
>It's Seifer
>She then seduces him and puts him on her side. Now nothing can stop her from breaking the loop.
>Her meddling in the past was just a layer in the greater scheme of things.
>Turns out all her attempts at changing her fate will just be ignored by the universe, who will simply create another path.
>Now the fated child is Squall
>She's is killed now by Squall because of time kompression.
>She sends her memories to edea, when she's killed
>Edea then, in a few years, will be the link who will make future Ultimecia thinks the fated is actually squall.
>Goes back again.
>Seduces Squal. Now nothing can stop her from breaking the loop
>But now it's seifer, the destined child.
>She ded again.
>Rinse and repeat.

Sorry, I am like..high as fuck.

>>5232143
Yes.

>>5222136
>'ze' instead of 'the'
>'this' stays the same

>>5222136
That's flat out wrong. Even if Rinoa is the last witch in existence, that would cause there to only be one sorceress at a time from that point on. All of Hyne's powers would be transferred upon death one person at a time and we know from Ulty's speech that the future has multiple sorceresses running around being persecuted.

That's either a botched translation or terrible writing.

>>5220137
Squal had a deviantart and griver was his OC

>>5232653
The scar twins made the perfect loop!

>>5216959
>>5216978
>>5216992

>>5218476
Obviously because she lost her memories of the past.

>>5232653
Do not like, Seifer never banged Rinoa in any reality, she is pure.

>>5233961
Griever is to Squall what Sonichu is to Chris-Chan; his vision of perfect being. On more serious note it is supposed to signify his strength and pride.

Also ever noticed how Ultimecia always uses your own weapons against you? She makes a your fellow SeeD cadet his knight and has him fight against you, she uses another Garden to attack Balamb and finally Draws Griever out from Squall's mind has it fight against your guys.

>>5234010
>Squall: Griever go and be the most badass and cool character.
>Griever: Thank you father.

>>5234010
>Squall: Griever go and be the most badass and powerful GF.
>Griever: Thank you father

>>5219653
holy shit i remember this. god i wish i was 14 playing this for the first time again.

>>5216959
Well if it makes you feel better Tales of Berseria reused that plot point so you do have a game that's daring enough to do it.

>>5216959
Whatever

Remember when the official stance on FF9's Necron on wikias and fan site was that he and the Iifa tree were one and same being?

Remember all those fags on /v/ who'd keep spreading that information to pretend they're smart and "get it" while in the end it only showed they had to check a wikia to understand a mouthfed story and were spreading whatever lies the wikias told?

... remember that all this happened ONLY because of that line the iifa tree says when he's dead, saying that he'll back, which he only says to foreshadow the return of the mist on disc4?

... Yeah.
Well, R=U and Squall-is-Dead are even worse than that. They make even less sense, don't hold up, and have a fuckton of factual counterarguments. But, people are retards, and this is why we ended up with games like FF13.

>R=U and who was in control between Sephiroth and Jenova are being discussed again for some reason

Why don't we resume the discussion about this motherfucker's real identity as well then?
After all it's obvious that Gogo from FFV doesn't have anything to do with FFVI's one.
Are you a normie that believes that Gogo = Daryl?
Maybe you think that Gogo = Gestahl?
Maybe Gogo is Banon or Siegfried?

>ywn furiously pump your SeeD into Sensei with the force of supernova and gently sway her hips from side to side to make sure 'it all gets down there' and then gently kiss her abdomen and rub it with olive oil warmed to body temperature to help encourage insemination

It can't just be me that thinks about this.

>>5235375
Expand please. I wouldn't mind playing ToB just for that.

>>5233987
>Do not like, Seifer never banged Rinoa in any reality, she is pure.
Don't worry, Rinoa is as pure white as her limit break's wings.
https://youtu.be/Z-YFy1UDIwU?t=319
I don't know why they cut that dialogue out of the games but the data files were still there, a few cut lines in the Ragnarok scene .

>>5236664
why is sephiroth talking to that hobo

Why is Quistis so perfect, /vr/?

Look at that confidence. Look at that determination. Why am I so weak to blue magic?

Squall is dead is the patrician theory

>R=U
>Squall is dead
Both smalltime, this is the only FF8 theory worth giving a fuck about.

>>5238065
What party members did you guys use? I always used Quistis as she was a god tier cleric, she could instantly heal everyone back to full with her Limit Break, or put up huge defensive magic, or massive debuffs on the enemy, and still had options for big damage.

Fighting Omega Weapon and he uses Megiddo Flame to bring everyone to 1 HP? White Wind.

Want to apply Protect, Shell, Regen, Float, Haste, Aura to your party at once? Mighty Guard.

Throw a million debuffs on the enemy? Bad Breath. Do a gorillion damage? Shockwave Pulsar.

Quitis is really underrated imo, even if she does pleasure old men for money. Pic related, and gets cucked in the process.

So is there a game where the final boss is one of your party members from the future ?
Seems like a cool idea even if it isn't real for FFVIII.

>>5238587
>spoiler
kek, he even introduces her to the woman he's with. I like the way she has her hands clasped in front of her, very ladylike.

Honestly I don't think I've actually played FF8 since the early 00's on console, I don't remember the specifics. I always had Quistis in party for obvious reasons though. I'd replay it if there were a Quistis route.

>>5238587
Is this faster than the original or something? Because holy shit, CId's sonic head raise when Quistis walks towards him is seriously creepy.

Best girl coming through

>>5239551
I love how violent this crazy bitch is

>>5239552
I thought she was all bubbly and girly

>>5239551

>>5236771
>Quistis with that long of a skirt

What do you think you're doing?

>>5239689
It looks like it was hiked down, I chose that pic because of how much of her tummy you can see.

I've always liked her school uniform more than her adventuring outfit. I'm sure she would be designed very differently today though.

>>5239703
Whats wrong with quistis here?

>>5239835
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrous_cycle#Estrus

>>5239835

She's locked eyes with pic related.

>>5239703
>I'm sure the SJW NPC onions would never let a hot girl be in a Final Fantasy game these days though.
My god, what universe do you people inhabit?

>>5216959
>I am Ultimecia
>I have tits and a cunt
>I masturbate every day
>I have mind-control powers
>why would I not force Rinoa to eat me out

>>5239946
>cleavage freckles

Not as hot as expected.

>>5239946
Who are you quoting? I didn't say anything even remotely like that

>>5239902
It's surprisingly hard to find other characters that look like her

>>5239953
I like where this is going

>>5239961
>It's surprisingly hard to find other characters that look like her
it's the side-bangs imo. one of the very few strokes of genius from nomura

WHERE IS LUNATIC PANDORA FOR FREE

>>5239967
I should add that generally FF8 is peak nomura. It's incredible to see how much he shat the bed afterwards when he became obsessed with belts and visual kei haircuts

>>5239967
A few good strokes is all it takes with Quistis

No but really, besides Samus, who else?

>>5239976
Japanese creators tend to suffer from this a lot. It's understandable in a way... when they create something that makes them a huge success, they not only get demand from publishers to repeat it, but it becomes a 'safe formula' they can use

>>5239997
>No but really, besides Samus, who else?
so what do you mean now, just pale, blonde aryan qts?

>>5240009
Most overrated game of 2017 and not retro.

>>5240009
With sidelocks

>>5240020
oh you were thinking of nu-samus then... I don't know, can't help

>>5240019
>>5240025
Love transcends board rules. The power of love is eternal and is both simultaneously retro and modern. In sacred numerology, Quistis is represented by the number 69, because she aligns with the constellation Fapparius.

tl;dr pls tell me where I can find more Quistis, I am jonesing

>>5217016
You’re misinterpreting his character. He’s being a dick for the sake of the audience. Every time he’s seen disconnected from the party, it isn’t as an emotional wreck. It’s as a self insert for the player because a party member said some tropey or cringe statement. All his smart talk is a nod to the fourth wall. Learn to read when you play games, anon.

>>5240032
Nah, he's right, Squall is a douchey wet blanket. He might be the worst FF protagonist ever made.

>>5240070
regurgitating brainlet detected

>>5239859
reminded me of pic related

>>5240263
Whatever.

>>5240264
This is my fetish.

FFVIII girls official power rankings:

1. Ultimecia
2. Edea
3. Quistis
4. Fujin
5. Zell's mom
6. Xu
7. Julia
8. Selphie
9. Dr. Kadowaki
10. Raine
11. Ellone
12. Library girl
13 to 8999. Random female NPCs

9000. Adel
9001. Rinoa

>>12208485
>They're what caused the 2017 pump
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-13/professor-who-rang-vix-alarm-says-tether-used-to-boost-bitcoin

Myth busted. But then again, you know this too, you just don't want others to know.

I want to kiss 'tis.
https://youtu.be/0yzPFIc6i0o?t=298

>>5240429
What about the Queen of Cards? She's like the only person to survive time compression besides the CC group and Chocoboy who is actually her son from Dollet.

>>5240429
I’d at least let Rinoa jerk me off. Adel just straight-up looks like a dude.

>>5240612
Rinoa is hot, the problem is just that she's not main girl hot.

>>5220770

Does this mean Ultimecia is actually Seifer?

>>5226670
love stories make the goyim mad and the feminists rage because it's something they can't have

>>5240429
>look at the pic
>it's the living image of quistis
>TFW we were wrong for decades and Q=U is the real redpill

>>5216959
If you think condemning Rinoa to suffering forever as Ultimecia is the ending Squaresoft would ever plan for or even just accept, you're an imbecile.

>>5220137
>>5233961
>yfw you realize Griever is Squall's fursona

>>5241084
Why? She's a thot that needs patrolled

>>5241076
Maybe she knew she was going to get rejected for a thot and this is what happened.

>Quistis gets out of the shower and finishes drying herself and is wearing just a towel
RANDOM BATTLE
>Quistis comes home from a long day of teaching
>"Nooooooooo Anon I look so gross, I'm all sweaty, I-"
RANDOM BATTLE
>Quistis and Selphie are having a chat over coffee
RANDOM BATTLE
>"Ooooohmygoooood Anon stop, Selphie is here!"
>"What do you mean her watching turns you on, you're crazy!"
>At night before you go to bed
>RANDOM BATTLE
>Limit Break into her weak spot for 999 damage
>fall asleep together under your phoenix down duvet
>wake up revived the next day ready to do some more grinding

>It was me all along!

>Whatever.

>>5242092
>>Quistis gets out of the shower and finishes drying herself and is wearing just a towel
nutted before you could finish your post

>>5242616
Q=PE

>almost 2011+8
>not using you're waifu as a reason to wake up every morning
>not using a marginal unvoiced character from a two decade old JRPG as a focal point for success and visualizing a better tomorrow for yourself
>not saying to yourself "I have to wake up every day and do what I need to do to find a real girl that looks like this"
>not living Nietzsche's axiom 'He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.'
Ishiggy diggy, /vr/.

No, I need to alienate myself and make it more awkward for people who just want to talk about FF8 lore. I am not satisfied yet.

I'm still confused on how Rinoa got the sorceress power. Supposedly she got the powers right after defeating Edea where she goes unconscious, but later in the game they tell you she got Edea's power *after* she met Odine to have it sealed.
Or did Edea become some kinda zombie after the battle?

it's just a coincidence Squall completely falls in love with Rinoa right when after she was first possessed by Ultimecia

>>5243630
sigh

>>5243639
Of course it is.

Why doesn't Squall tell her to fuck off when she confesses that she was with Seifer and was so hurt by him and would have gone back to him if he had taken her?

I mean

Is Squall a cuck?

>>5243871
like father, liker son

>>5216959
Cute Christmas hat.

>>5243639
>>5243805
>ignore Rinoa all game
>avoid putting her in your party
>never talk to her unless forced
>"omg why this sudden romance!?"

>>5243981
Yes, with or without the extra scenes with Rinoa on disc 2 there are just barely enough reasons there for Squall to start caring about Rinoa when she goes to coma. Apart from the obvious "you know what you had after you lost it" I'd argue that the main thing here is that Rinoa going into coma reminds him the time she lost his 'sis' Ellone as a kid and now he wants to redeem himself in his own eyes and does everything in his power to avoid losing yet another person he cares about. After all Squall's guilt complex about not being strong enough to protect Ellone and losing her as a result is the whole reason for Squall developed his closed-off personality and tries to avoid relying other people whenever he can. This even goes as far as Squall developing the whole Griever fursona in his mind that manifests "lion like" things like strength and pride.

However the reason I think Squall's and Rinoa's "romance" doesn't really work is this:
In good, well written romance both characters have a reason(s) to care about each other and in FFVIII Rinoa has little to no reason to give a fuck about Squall. Also Rinoa was VERY quick to give up on his relationship with Seifer (which was implied to be very intimate) when she heard Seifer might be kill and literally jump to Squall dick then and there? I mean she could at least have tried to call out to Seifer when seeing him again in Deling City? Keeping this in mind is there any reason to believe she simply won't do the same to Squall when something doesn't go the way she wants it to? Finally Squall's amount of "loving" Rinoa after she recovers from coma is questionable, remember how he only went to save her from being sealed up after everyone literally forced him to?

Rinoa was a mistake that never would have happened if Tifa wasn't so wildly popular the previous game

>>5243981
>>>avoid putting her in your party
She's mandatory in your party for like 1/3rd of the game.

>>5244107
>Also Rinoa was VERY quick to give up on his relationship with Seifer (which was implied to be very intimate)
What? Literally the opposite was true, she didn't even know Seifer wasn't a SEED when the party arrives on her train. Also watch
>>5237336
Seifer and Rinoa weren't "very close" at all according to the dialogue on the Ragnarok, which explains why Seifer has no problems not only trying to manipulate her emotionally but literally pushing her into Adel as a human sacrifice, pic related.

>>5244107
>However the reason I think Squall's and Rinoa's "romance" doesn't really work is this:
>In good, well written romance both characters have a reason(s) to care about each other and in FFVIII Rinoa has little to no reason to give a fuck about Squall. Also Rinoa was VERY quick to give up on his relationship with Seifer (which was implied to be very intimate) when she heard Seifer might be kill and literally jump to Squall dick then and there? I mean she could at least have tried to call out to Seifer when seeing him again in Deling City? Keeping this in mind is there any reason to believe she simply won't do the same to Squall when something doesn't go the way she wants it to? Finally Squall's amount of "loving" Rinoa after she recovers from coma is questionable, remember how he only went to save her from being sealed up after everyone literally forced him to?
When they found out Seifer was executed Rinoa literally says something like "I thought we had something special" then Quistis asks "your boyfriend?" and Rinoa says maybe and that she thinks so. Let's not get fucking crazy here, anon.

>>5243981
This is exactly why R = U works, the same way Edea casts a spell on Seifer to be her knight, Rinoa casts one on Squall.

>>5240429
Now this is bait.

>>5243871
When?

Anon, she knows you're staring at her armpits

>>5244184
>Rinoa: "I...really liked him. He was always full of confidence, smart... Just by talking to him, I felt like I could take on the world."
>Selphie: "Your boyfriend?"
>Rinoa: "I don't really know. I... I think it was love. I wonder how he felt...?
>Selphie: "Do you still like him?"
>Rinoa: "If I didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. It was last summer... I was 16. Lots of fond memories..."
There is no need to get crazy, there are very clear implications of intimate relationship between Rinoa and Seifer here.

>>5244172
>Rinoa: "Seifer! Stop it! Haven't you done enough!? I know you're not like that!
>Seifer: "Can't go back now! I can't go anywhere! The sorceresses as one! That is Ultimecia's WISH!"
>Rinoa: "......Seifer."
>Rinoa: "......Seifer. No more... Please?"
>Seifer: "Rinoa..."
There are also >implications about the past relationship between the two here as well but more importantly (at least to me) it seems Seifer doesn't really want to go through "manipulating her emotionally and literally pushing her into Adel as a human sacrifice" but does it anyway since he has nowhere to go or anything to strife for apart from Ultimecia's goal of uniting the sorceresses so she can kompress time. Remember everyone including Raijin and Fujin have abandoned him at this point and I wouldn't blame Seifer for having a grudge towards Squall (for managing to beat him in many ways) and towards Rinoa for giving up for their relationship so easily and quickly.

>What? Literally the opposite was true, she didn't even know Seifer wasn't a SEED when the party arrives on her train.
How could she know if Seifer passed the SeeD exam or not? She didn't meet Seifer at the graduation party and was only there to make a contact with Cid in first place. Hell, she literally leaves Squall in middle of the dancing floor looking like a retard the second she spots Cid.

>>5244272
>There is no need to get crazy, there are very clear implications of intimate relationship between Rinoa and Seifer here.
They weren't even boyfriend and girlfriend, there's no intimacy there, Rinoa just liked him.

>>5244272
>How could she know if Seifer passed the SeeD exam or not? She didn't meet Seifer at the graduation party and was only there to make a contact with Cid in first place. Hell, she literally leaves Squall in middle of the dancing floor looking like a retard the second she spots Cid.
Except she did meet him there, she says he introduced her to Cid.

>>5244272
Wrongtown Population : (You)

>>5244380
bonus autism image

>>5244380
>>5244381
Although I guess this was cut on the original English release so it's understandable to suspect otherwise, just goes to show how shit the translation work was. But at the end of the day we're talking about 2 Japanese teenagers who spent a summer as friends, this was the 90s, stop inflicting your modern perversions on FF8.

>>5244380
>Rinoa trying to make Squall jealous
Even Selphie would have been a better main girl than this thot

Who wrote this shit?

>>5244107
>In good, well written romance both characters have a reason(s) to care about each other and in FFVIII Rinoa has little to no reason to give a fuck about Squall.
Didn't he save her life half a dozen times?

>>5244380
>defending the turbo thot

>>5244397
Idk about that anon...

>>5244423
What kind of graphic filter is that? It looks about as good as FF8 can get

>idk about that
>'I'll make you happy!'
Not sure what you're missing here

>>5244456
It's Rebirth Flame, one of the better mods for the PC/Steam version.
http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=6t73tci2c0d5j78gepdp9rc2p2&topic=16022.0

There's a few alternatives for models, I like the 3rd one best.

How is she so perfect bros?

This is Quistis.

Say something nice about her.

>>5244751
Her name is pronounced Kis-tiss. Most people do not know this.

If I ever become fabulously wealthy, I am going to contract Production IG to do a Quistis anime. If Square Enix/Sony complains about copyright, I'll just buy the rights.

>>5226914
I've looked at this image three dozen times now and I simply don't understand it.

She ditches this guy she meets a full 30 seconds after BEGGING him to dance with her and makes an ass of herself/him by bumping into other people in the process
She forms a group of rebels to piss off daddy general
She ditches her rebels to be with the guy she ditched earlier
She only likes said guy because he reminds her of her previous boyfriend
During the Parade she runs off alone to see a dangerous Sorceress by herself almost screwing up Squall's and Irvine's undercover mission. Both of them could have gotten caught and shot.
When both of the main Gardens head into war, the only thing Rinoa cares about is Squall's ring?
Then even though she's scared of fighting/ dislikes seeing violence. She fights in a war anyways and when she gets into trouble (AGAIN ) She creates more panic/ stress for everybody.
Yeah, she falls into coma. Squall is worried. More panic/ stress for Squall.
When she gains the powers that were once from Edea/ Matron. Just feel like Rinoa brings more sadness and heavy emotions onto the group. Everybody is trying to be strong and get ready to fight the final last evil. But just feel like Rinoa's rants about how no one likes her anymore bringing down the groups morale.
She's way too open about her feelings and HER emotions. What about Irvine's, Zell's, Seifer's, Quistis's and Selphie's feelings?
She also shoots her dog like a fucking rocket launcher with total disregard of it's safety.
The "romance" with her ruined the entire game

The worst part is how they tried to make her naive stupid retarded mistakes and nature "endearing." It wasn't good with her, wasn't good with Garnet, and it did retards like Yuna no favors. Only stupid Japs like this archetype.

Also Rinoa's character was really defined by her role in the story as the eventual love interest of the hero they just tried to make her more important by making her a sorceress, and if it wasn't for that part, I find it really hard for her to have as much face time in the game as she did.

>>5244380
...Rinoa is bigger than I remember as a kid.

>>5244359
>They weren't even boyfriend and girlfriend, there's no intimacy there, Rinoa just liked him.
Thinking it was love and having a lot of fond memories does >imply that there was more than just holding hands once there.

>>5244380
How does this talk against what I said and not just confirm Rinoa being a thot that is willing to quickly change partners when it suits her? I mean Rinoa had no reason to even bring up Seifer and Squall possibly being jealous of him if there wasn't anything between the two in the past. You know the view (You) are forcing on to us despite the game telling us otherwise?
Also I like how you had to resort to stuff that isn't in the actual game to defend Rinoa's purity here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV52DvjX9rA WHERE is the dialogue in your screenshots here and why should we care about it if it isn't in the actual game?

>>5244387
Funnily enough the one with filename of "FF8 Hidden Dialogues - is(...).png" is in the actual game and cannot be missed but the collage of screenshots that clearly prove me wrong are nowhere to be seen in the actual game.

>>5245194
>WHERE is the dialogue in your screenshots here and why should we care about it if it isn't in the actual game?
See
>>5244387
It's in most releases, including the original Japanese, it got cut for the English, probably because of brainlets like yourself.

>>5244380
The english cut scene makes more sense with the core themes and squall's growth, i can't imagine tgese lines being in the original language, are you sure these are not fake? I read the english translation wanted to push a love triangle, making rinoa's character go to shit in the prosess

Hyne is both Ultimecia and Rinoa.

>>5244751
She is 2nd best girl, after Rinoa.

I WONT LET ANYONE TALK ABOUT ME IN THE PAST TENSE

What if Squall was Rinoa and Ultimecia was already dead because she was the first sorceress ?

>he doesn't want to kiss every inch of Quistis' body, lay her down on a bed covered in rose petals, massage her with warm oil until she's drowsy and in a dream-like state, pleasure her orally and digitally until she spasms and squirts all over you and you proceed to rub her goddess nectar all over your body because your testosterone levels are now so high you are more a primal beast than a man, and then prone bone her for the next hour and a half and finish inside her in the hopes that she will get pregnant this time

Ultimecia is clearly Dycedarg's elder brother. I mean you can't prove they aren't the same person so we have accept it as a fact. Now that's finally over after the 15 years we have wasted talking about who Ultimecia really is, can we FINALLY talk about something else in FFVIII threads?

Are Ellone's powers ever explained anywhere? Where the fuck do they come from? What happens to them after Ellone dies? If you were to ask me Ellone and her powers is the biggest plothole in the entire game.
During the "we grow up together but forgot" scene Selphie says she found GF inside a monster she defeated and used it for a while. Who/what was this GF? Also just how common are GFs in FFVIII's world if you can just find them inside random monsters? How come "normal" folks aren't experiencing the GF amnesia then?
As we are told and shown you CAN survive the time kompression simply by being focused on something (your party survived by being focused on each other and the people on Ragnarok apparently were so focused on playing cards they also survived). By this logic who is to say that the trepies didn't survive time kompression by furiously masturbating to Quistis while it was happening?
What did NORG evolve into after being defeated?
Is "Your mom wears combat boots!" a good insult?
I'm sure you faggots can also think about other things to talk about.

Imagine you are one of the 4 amnesiac orphan characters (Irvine remembers but pretends not to IIRC). GFs made you forget your childhood. Let’s pretend for a moment that this isn’t stupid. What happens when you try to think about your life prior to the Garden? Wouldn’t you think the absence of the memory is itself notable and experience some sort of crisis? I can only posit that the entire stretch of the orphanage is gone because it is too intrinsically massive of a detail for them to even still remember that they were children *at all*.

>>5249874
iirc everyone but squall got adopted really early so they had childhood homes to remember
and squall has his baggage with ellone to distract him

>>5249854
I think FF8 was one big homage to FF3.

Chocobo Woods, Time Temple, Crystal Tower.
I think Timber's Forests and the Tomb of the Forgotten King were nods to Sorcerer Hein.
Dr. Odine's "para" magic = Doga's Magic
Ellone's Power (what everyone called the "dream world") = Unei Power
Ultimecia's Time Kompression = Xande Freezing Time

There was no mini spell, or Mini dungeon. But there was a Playstation Pocket gimmick to play in "Chocobo World" along with the Mini mog summon.

if anything ellone was ultimecia... and she wasnt her either

>>5249874
Do you remember what you ate when you were 8 years old, 7 months, 46 days at lunch? I imagine the "pssh, who cares" your brain just reacted with is how they think about it. It isn’t a loss if you don't know you've lost it. Just like you'd remember that meal a day later but not now. It's lost but you don't care or see it as odd. And they surround themselves with people that have the same loss so it isn't relevant.

And really, how often do you stop and focus on your childhood? Some sure but then put yourself in war and constantly traveling. You wouldn't have time.

>>5249949
You can go pretty far in trying to find connections between FFIII and FFVIII.

Worlds are pretty similar.
FFIII's Hein(or Hyne as he is called in the fan-translated NES version of FFIII) might very well be the Hyne people talk about in FFVIII's world.
The hands of the clock in Ultimecia's castle has it's hands pointing at III and VIII


I doubt anyone here remembers but there was a guy who went by the name Logic? that actually came up with a pretty good attempt of connecting all the FF games few years ago (this was before Dissidia came out) and he had many good points about FFIII and FFVIII possibly sharing the same world but that just headcanon bullshit just like R=U is.

>>5249962
One meal =/= the entire idea of likely years of living at one place.

>>5216959
>"Reflect on your childhood. Your sensation. Your words. Your emotions. Time... it will not wait. No matter how hard you hold on, it escapes you."

What did she mean by this?

>Quistis is taller than everyone even Squall
that's a yikes

>>5250047
A lot of the details kind of screw it up but if there's say millions of years in between the games I could see that working.

The weird thing though is that Hein in FF3 is mostly just some minor boss, not really too big a deal. Slightly more important than the average boss but not up with Xande or Cloud of Darkness certainly. So it's weird that he becomes important enough for Square to want to integrate him into the plot of 8 as the origin of sorceress powers.

>>5251236
>What did she mean by this?

"Don't be a manchild and cling to your childhood, or else your life will pass you by. Be an alpha."
--Ultimecia, Life Advice

>>5251786
not at all
it's basically an existential message uttered from a final fantasy boss on the brink of death
it's like the same thing you'd get from watching tarkovsky's the mirror except it's a text prompt from a boss fight that lasts 10 seconds

>>5251236
She's speaking to Squall. R=U

>>5251734
true aryan goddess

>>5244381
New theory. Squall is actually Rinoa's mom.

>>5251851
"Don't be a manchild and cling to your childhood, or else your life will pass you by. Be an alpha." isn't an existentialist message?

>>5251857
You are aware that Rinoa is the only character in your party that is NOT part of the orphanage gang and did NOT spend her childhood with the others? If anything trying to look too deep in those lines confirms either >>5222782 or Q=U and talks against R=U.

What are those words about then? Pick your poison among these:
Ultimecia lived a happy live before receiving sorceress powers in a world that is hellbent in trying to find and defeat every sorceress they come across.
References to the main themes of the game: fate and "you have to stop being an idiot and grow up already".
Stop living in and trying to change the past, time has already passed on and you have wasted yours.

>>5252569
I just remembered that Squall's dad could've hooked up with Rinoa's mom if the former didn't get cockblocked by new deployment orders.
That legcramp sequence is one of the weirdest things I've played through in a JRPG.

“Have you remembered something?
Something from your childhood
A sensation
The words from back then
The emotions from back then
As you become an adult
You leave something behind, throw something away
Time will not wait for you
Even if you cling to it
It slips away the instant you open your hands
And…”

>>5244920
I think it means Nintoddlers think $800 for diapers is too much, but $4500 for Nintendo toys isn't.

Obviously, the prices are intentionally off.

Which FF8 character would you shop at IKEA with holding hands on Saturday mornings?

>>5252586
it could actually be that you're more correct than I am regarding the intention of the writers but I can't accept because of how obnoxious your memery is
don't throw around words like "manchild" and "alpha" unless your sole intention is to shitpost if you expect people to engage in serious conversation with you

>>5253293
is this what she says in the official japanese?
if so the enlgish translation was seriously botched, jesus christ

>>5250047

If so, it would be more than 80,000 years in III's future.

Quistis.