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The SNES and Genesis were soulless. Soul comes from developers working to push the limits of hardware and putting this above concern for a deliberate "art style". The 16 bit systems made the sky the limit with 2D, and hence you get affected, gauche, kitsch styled games like Yoshis Island.

Soul made a return in the 32 bit era as new constraints were imposed on 3D, but vanished for sure by the time of MGS2.

SMW gets a pass because it was the first pioneer into 16 bit, and SMB3 is the pinnacle of soul before the shackles were unleashed.

Sorry but you must take this redpill

>> No.5238979

>SNES was soulless
okay I'll hear out your argum-
>Genesis was soulless
get the fuck out

>> No.5238986

>>5238979
This definition of soul is actually objectively true tho. You can't have soul without hardware constraints on your vision. Whenever you have free reign to make exactly what is in your head, you have kitsch, shitty art styles made by art school faggots. Hardware limitations is what made video game graphics EVER good. Late PS2 and beyond is when it all goes to shit because developers can make whatever they want.

Its why Ocarina is soul and Twilight Princess is soulless even though they ostensibly have similar styles

>> No.5238991

>>5238975
Based

>> No.5238993
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>>5238975
>Soul comes from developers working to push the limits of hardware...

Bullshit.
While there are examples to support that statement,
real soul usually comes from improving already established concepts.

The N64 tried to "push the limits" over and over again,
but failed with 90% of the library bc they just weren't there yet.

While the PSX knew what it was capable of,
and devs mostly kept in mind exactly what it could accomplish.

>> No.5238995

>>5238986
>Genesis didn't have hardware limitations
get the fuck out

>> No.5239013

>>5238995
Genesis is a poor example because it has hardware limitations but everything on it also looks like shit. Exception that proves the rule I guess :shrug:

>> No.5239025

>redpill
wrong board, fucko

>> No.5239026

>>5239025
Actually its you who aren't welcome here. Stop with the low content flaming if you want to keep your posting privileges :)

>> No.5239028

>>5239026
>MUH SOLE MUH SOLENEST
get out meme boy

>> No.5239030

>>5239025
Nope, fuck off to resetera

>> No.5239031

Do we really need three fucking threads about how much you hate Super Mario All-stars?

>> No.5239035

>>5239028
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person
Haha go away newfag. Look the poster count went up so don't sperg out on me too and accuse me of whatever bogeyman your sick mind obsesses over

>> No.5239037

>>5238975
is this a joke? SMB3 is a SNES game so there fore snes=soul by your logic

>> No.5239039

>>5239037
Nah

>> No.5239046

>>5239025
Kill self

>> No.5239065

>>5238975
>early 3D is soul
Sweetie, I...

>> No.5239070

>>5238979
you're just a console warrior.
But OP is still a faget.
16-bit was the pinnacle of video games.

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>>5238975
>Soul comes from developers working to push the limits of hardware and putting this above concern for a deliberate "art style".

It's become impossible around here to tell who's a false-flagging as an obnoxious blowhard and who's genuinely retarded enough to say shit like this.

>> No.5239098

>>5239030
>restera
nice meme
>>5239035
>whatever this autistic shit is
nice meme
>>5239046
nice meme

>> No.5239102

>>5238975
>16 bit systems made the sky the limit with 2D
Except that is not quite right.

While colour palettes increased, as well as a bump in number of on screen objects, there were still harsh limits on the SNES, Genesis, and other machines of that era.

Size of games was still a big contraint. While it increased significantly over the NES, and steadily improved in size over the lifetime of the consoles, they still required many of the tricks used in the 8 bit era to get all the shit on to them.

Try playing something like the SNES port of Street Fighter Alpha 2, which uses compression that has noticeable load times when fetching content from memory.

Another good one is sprite manipulation. True the SNES had some hardware acceleration for it, and the Genesis had other tricks like custom chips on carts or addons like the Sega CD. These solutions were far from ideal, since sprite size still had limits, so you were often blowing up a small-ish sprite which tended to look blocky.

By your logic, the Atari is more "soulful" than the NES because the constraints were greater, but that's horseshit.

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>>5239013
>everything on Genesis looks like shit

>> No.5239106

>>5239098
Autism

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5239114

>>5239104

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>>5239114

>> No.5239123

>>5239102
You can't "blow up" a sprite in either console, only backgrounds.

>> No.5239125

>>5239013
Zoomer spotted

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5239128

>>5239120

>> No.5239135

>>5239013
>:shrug:
Stop that.

>> No.5239157

>>5239123
Well, yes, technically. I mean, how much splitting of hairs is it to use mode7 to scale and rotate a screen object and call it a "sprite".

The point was moreso there was a realtime method of manipulating the size and rotation of an image.

>> No.5239182

/vr/ is literally /v/ 2.0 fuck this board

>> No.5239183

>>5239157
Nope its not a sprite. Fuck you.

>> No.5239184

>>5238975
I don't know why it took me this long to put "soul" and "soulless" into my thread filter. Thanks for reminding me, OP.

>> No.5239248

>>5239184
Hi snowflake

>> No.5239249
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5239249

>>5238975
The 16bit games without soul are the ones that used digitized sprites like Road Rash 3. These look like shit and were just trying to dazzle people with newfangled tech. The reality is that the majority of games in every console and every generation and shovelware soulless crap.

>> No.5239265

>>5238986
Something isn't objective just because you said so. Neither you or the OP have actually defined what "soul" means other than it "approaching hardware limitations".

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5239271

well its true for a lot of Nintendo games, but its not because they were limited, its becasue of bad artists and direction

>> No.5239305

>>5239013
Go play alien soldier, zoomer

>> No.5239313

>>5239248
>>5239305
>>>/pol/

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>>5239013

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>> No.5239325

>>5238975
kill yourself

>> No.5239359

>>5239182
I report shitposts and shitthreads, but nothing ever happens unless they are porn or not retro.

>> No.5239373

>>5238975
The three launch titles of the SNES have more soul and charm in them than 98% of the NES library.

>> No.5239374

>>5239184
You should also have redpill filtered, it's never used for anything good.

But I guess you probably won't see this post.

>> No.5239430

>>5239013
>>5238975
I think the SNES only seems bland because it set such a gold standard that it defined the look of 2D games for a really long time, even on better hardware. Even today.
A lot of really influential things have that problem.

Meanwhile the Genesis has a really cool demoscene-ish look and seems like it was meant to attract PC developers. I didn't realise this as a kid even though i was a PC gamer; I always thought its games looked kind of chunky and muddy, but I appreciate it more now.

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5239432

>genesis looks like shit

>> No.5239443

>>5239430
No they really do look like ass. Its entirely because of incompetent hardware developers. It didnt have to look like shit butt.

>> No.5239454

>>5239443
>Its entirely because of incompetent hardware developers
I'd have believed you back then but considering what I've since learned about the Japanese console industry I'm pretty sure they colluded to make the two systems this way intentionally.
Sega was always going to capture the rest of the market so they made the Genesis do what Nintendon't--specifically--on purpose. I'd bet on it.

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5239467

>>5239374
Leave and never come back along with him. No one wants a resetera invasion. Your little crusades just annoy everyone. Make like a tree and fuck off.

>> No.5239470

>>5238975
>"muh soul" is an argument
tsk tsk looks like someone's been listening to their /pol/ brain worms

>> No.5239472

>>5239467
Not him but you kids who unironically say redpilled are real bunch of goofs.

>> No.5239473

>>5239470
Wow you really, really arent from this site are you? What the fuck does soul have to do with pol?

Holy shit the infestation is real. Go back.

>> No.5239475

>>5239472
When did I say that? You're still a cringy tool regardless. Fuck off if slang offends you. No one, and I mean no one, cares

>> No.5239476

>>5239473
>old video games have a spiritual essence
>muh wedpill
i'm just calling a spade a spade

>> No.5239480

>>5239476
Not him but thats not an explanation for your retardation. Go ahead. Tell everyone without sounding like an incoherent retard, what soul has to do with pol...

>> No.5239482

>>5239480
He can't do it
Anyone with a basic knowledge of 4chan would know where that meme comes from
Its not pol, so his posts will be insane stretching and lies

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5239483

REFUTE IT NINTENDOFAGS

>> No.5239484

>>5239480
this idea that an inanimate object has some kind of spiritual essence is absolutely a /pol/ mentality. they're obsessed with this kind of ethereal purity

either way this thread is retarded and disingenuous. going to bat for it is just pathetic

>> No.5239486

>>5239484
Big oof from me. This post was completely stupid. Farm to table cringe, chief. Way to categorically lose an internet argument lol

>> No.5239490

>>5239484
>trying to change the subject AND move the goal posts this hard
Hahahahahhaha go back to resetera, freak. How many piercings do you have? How many tattoos. Are you a furry too?

>> No.5239492

>>5238975
Ur post and ur mom are soulless.

>> No.5239494

>>5239475
not him, but, SEETHING

>> No.5239497

>>5239494
>not him
;)

>> No.5239502

>>5239104
Thanks for proving his point.

>> No.5239506

>>5238975
>gauche, kitsch
Is this gawker writing?