/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5237815
No, it's considered retro since it came out in 1999.

>>5237825
The actual game released in 2000

>>5237815
I play it occasionally, not that I'm very good at it. I still have fun, though.

My rule of thumb is "if the box says it can run on a system (hardware or software) from 1999 or before, it's retro". This would also include Diablo II.

What's the best version of Counter-Strike?

I've seen people shit on 1.6 quite a bit.

>>5237815
I played 1.6 from 2002 to 2013 with a fuck top of competitive play around the CAL-main/CAL-premier level. I absolutely adore 1.6 and I have accepted that we will never see another shooter like it again. Competitive stuff aside, pubbing is a lost art....something that you do not see in modern games due to matchmaking cancer. I have played on a ton of pubs over the years and I have played hundreds of custom maps. Joining a server and playing shit like he_dodgeball, 32hp, starwars2, cs_dune, the hundreds of rats and assault variants, playground_x, aim maps, Westwood, paintball maps, deagle maps, kz maps, de_wallmart, etc was just the peak of squad based fps games.

1.6 is basically dead, with just Brazilians and Mexicans playing it non-steam now. It's not retro, but I just bought a new copy of CZ for my main steam account and I suspect that there will be a few servers up where I can find a good game of classic CS, even if it is in CZ lol.

>>5237920
1.6 is still surprisingly active. It normally peaks at about 20k players daily.

https://steamcharts.com/app/10

>>5237914
1.2 is probably considered the best version but 1.6 is fine.

Even GO is fine if you ignore the skin gambling stuff.

>>5237920
Reminds me the era of W3 custom maps. There was something special about it. I suppose it's also compareable to Half-Life modding scene, though I can't think of anything similar on the spot.

The idea of user-creation and community engagement doesn't seem that popular in meanstream games nowadays.

Back when I had no internet, I remember installing a CD that contained CS 1.5 and a huge pack of maps. There were hundreds of them, but only a few had bots. I would often play a random map from the list just to explore it and imagine how it would play out with people.
The other day I was trying to find a very obscure map that was called "Volaré", named after the song (which played whenever you got near a car that was moving up and down as if there were people fucking inside or some shit) but couldn't find anything. If I recall correctly, CT's spawned inside an airplane and would drop from the cargo door. The map itself was a road at the edge of a mountain.

I still play it all the time

>didn't play CS growing up
>want to play 1.6 now
>few servers, most are not English or it's something like gun game
It hurts lads. I know it's an almost 20 year old game but I want to play 1.6 so bad. CSGO just feels off and the community/gambling market is cancer.

5x5 1.6 is still alive in russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGVHiiHO7Ug

this board is autist as fuck

>>5237825
Is there actually a reason for the definition of "retro" on this board or is it just completely arbitrary

>>5237929
>1.2 is probably considered the best version but 1.6 is fine.
It's the other way around - 1.6 is best, 1.2 is fine

>>5237815
>Is CS 1.6 considered retro since it was played on 1999 tech?
A game has to be 20 years old to be retro so technically in a week it will be allowed.

>>5238284
>A game has to be 20 years old to be retro so technically in a week it will be allowed.
that is not the rule or definition of "retro" here

>>5238153
it's as arbitrary as every other definition of "retro". the reason why it's the best possible rule to use is because it's simple (so there's less room for misunderstanding or intentional word-weaseling) and it's constant/fixed so there's no dependency on when it's posted (e.g. like >>5238284 thought)

you could make up many rules that would technically be more accurate what should be classified as "retro", but then it would be more difficult to apply it to each game. you can't get any more simpler than going by the release date

>>5238153
There was a medium shift going from the 90's to 2000's. 6th Gen consoles gained internet capability, and high speed internet started to be a thing so online PC gaming started to get popular. 5th Gen and prior as well as 90's PC gaming was about cartridges, floppies, and CDs. 6th Gen and 2000's PC gaming was all about DVDs and DVD variants.(gamecube's miniDVDs)

I loved CS 1.6 the best teams in Australia were Function zero XR 23 etc. My team was a mid tier team who could beat everyone of them on a good day we had 4 low tier players who were all brought to the highest tier within 6 months and we just quit when we hit 18-19 years old but played regularly because life > CS 1.6 that game could take your soul and you'd end up like Justin Evans ( Kurandus ) guy hasn't had job in 15 years and plays WoW slowly burning away any testosterone left in his balls.

>>5238313
>2000's PC gaming was all about DVDs


Ha ha, I wish.

>>5237929
there was no 1.2 beta wasn't even 1.2 It was 1.3 ( had bunny hopping no punish for spamming pistol while crouch hopping )

>>5238306
>that is not the rule or definition of "retro" here
Then what is it, Anon-kun?

>>5238306
>the reason why it's the best possible rule to use is because it's simple (so there's less room for misunderstanding or intentional word-weaseling) and it's constant/fixed so there's no dependency on when it's posted

But you can make any arbitrary rules you want and present a similar case for them.

>>5238313
>5th Gen and prior as well as 90's PC gaming was about cartridges, floppies, and CDs

>PCs
>cartridges
Unless it was a PCjr, no.

>>5238368
You're not getting it. If you did have discussion of >5th gen games here, then all the 12 year old Gaylo fans would invade this board. Do you want that?

>>5238380
Actually that would still be less annoying than JPC/weeb threads, If we banned those, the quality of the board would improve significantly.

So Anons, let us hear some honest suggestions to improve the quality of the board instead of name calling.

>>5238382
LOL who the fuck cares you nerd. Find real life friends.

Actually I don't have anything against 6th gen discussion and have no particular problem with allowing it, BUT there is one very important caveat. That being if we do allow it, we have to make an exception for Gaylo. That series should never ever be allowed to be discussed here ever.

So a game like FF X? Fine, I would love that. But absolutely no Gaylo ever, that attracts the worst kind of people you could imagine.

>>5238389
So basically you're saying certain 6th gen franchises are ok but not other ones.

>>5238392
Exactly. FF or stuff like Shin Megami Tensei is fine. Franchises that attract cancer/11 year olds should never be allowed. Call it arbitrary if you like, I don't care.

Actually I don't have anything against 6th gen discussion and have no particular problem with allowing it, BUT there is one very important caveat. That being if we do allow it, we have to make an exception for Gaylo and ban it. That series should never ever be allowed to be discussed here ever.

So a game like FF X? Fine, I would be ok with that. But absolutely no Gaylo ever, that attracts the worst kind of people you could imagine.

>>5238398
It's slowly being accepted little by little, we had a thread about Pokemon RSE the other day and threads about Civ 3. I do agree that Halo will probably never be allowed or accepted to discuss here.

>>5238406
>>5238398
>>5238380
I have no interest in or care about Halo, but I'm curious as to why /vr/ has this ingrained hostility to it.

>>5237973
>The idea of user-creation and community engagement doesn't seem that popular in meanstream games nowadays.
People got used to matchmaking and companies running the servers instead of players, and also having cash shops. I only really play a few HL2 mods anymore because they have a similar feeling with user content and communities.

>>5238409
Halo is the absolute worst kind of video game because it was the ultimate "snot nosed 11 year old/normie/dudebro/casual/jock/40 year old dad" franchise. To allow discussion of it here would be a horrible mistake. Even in 20 years when there would be no longer any dispute about whether Halo is retro or not, it can never be allowed. We come here to escape the kind of audience it attracts.

To make it simple, if you allow 6th gen discussion, you have to at least make an exception for Halo and ban it from /vr/.

>Assassination game mode wasn't brought over in CSS or CSGO

This still makes me mad.

>>5238416
Actually rather than ban that one particular franchise (how silly), it would be better to just ban Xbox discussion since that would get rid of Halo threads right then and there, and the Xbox was really the go-to 6th gen console for those kind of people.

Another reason is that the Xbox has no connection to the retro era (as /vr/ "defines" it) since Microsoft was not a participant in the console market pre-6th gen whereas the GC and PS2 were the successors to pre-6th gen systems. The latter two also have more the kind of games that /vr/'s demographic is into (read: weebshit).

>>5237914
whichever was on Xbox

>>5238409
they don't like it because it has slower movement than arena shooters and you can only carry two weapons at a time
that's literally it

>>5238368
>But you can make any arbitrary rules you want and present a similar case for them.
but no one ever does. it always starts and ends with "make game I like count as retro" or "make game I don't like not count as retro" arguments

>>5238731
>but no one ever does. it always starts and ends with "make game I like count as retro" or "make game I don't like not count as retro" arguments

That's exactly what the OG board rules do though.

>>5237982
making waypoints for POD-Bot was piss easy, it takes like 10-20 minutes to do one map.

>>5238416
mmmuh safespace

is slowhack still a thing or has Valve completely fixed it?

>>5238781
Call it a safespace, call it what you like. The point is that no matter what happens, we have to ensure that Gaylo can never be discussed here.

>>5238153
Read the sticky >>1392415

>>5237815
1.6 is an update to a July 1999 game how the fuck does it invalidate anything?

>>5238976
It was an unofficial mod in 1999. The official Valve game was released in 2000.

>>5238989
Exactly so how would anyone think CS isn't a retro game when people have been playing it since 1999? Valve helped put it on shelves in 2000 in addition to the already available digital download. It's a 1999 game.

>>5238421
Yup, as_oilrig was one of the best maps :(

>>5238416
Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger. Halo 1 was a good game, whether your autism lets you admit it or not is irrelevant. I played the fuck out of the Halo 1 campaign with a friend of mine and we had a blast. That said, it was not as good as CS for pvp, but the campaign was fun as fuck.

>>5239009
>hide in the vent all map
>enemy team sprays vent down just because someone might be hiding there
OMG HAX HIW DID NO

oh, to be 14 again.

>>5238731
What map is this? Looks fun

>>5239165
Indeed friend, indeed. The rush from T spawn to spawn camp CT was a lot of fun.

>>5238731
Everything up through and including 6th gen should count as "retro" for the intents and purposes of this board and you KNOW it.

The "retro era" of gaming is synonymous with the CRT TV era of gaming on EVERY FUCKING SITE AND IN EVERY FUCKING AREA OF SOCIETY *EXCEPT* for fucking 4chan and ONLY fucking 4chan.

>>5239016

/vr/ 1.6 server WHEN

>>5239753
>The "retro era" of gaming is synonymous with the CRT TV era of gaming on EVERY FUCKING SITE AND IN EVERY FUCKING AREA OF SOCIETY *EXCEPT* for fucking 4chan and ONLY fucking 4chan.
The ruleset is broken. No 6th generation except Dreamcast. All PC games that ran on windows 98 are also acceptable. This is per moderation. They don't allow all 6th generation because it would include shitty sports games made on the PS2 until 5 years ago....but they do allow for Doom mods that in no way shape or form would have ran on a windows 98 pc ever.

It makes perfect sense.

Counter Strike Source would run on Windows 98, and is my vote for the "best" retro CS game. I really enjoyed 1.6, but felt that the series best was in Source. I do miss the VIP maps however.

>>5239793
Man, Source is my favorite CS also but there was huge problems with it. The main one being the head hitboxes where enormous.

>>5239796
>The main one being the head hitboxes where enormous.
They are pretty big, but it was part of the tradeoff. The clarity of the maps was perfect even by today's standards. It had the lack of clutter that 1.6 had with the crisp graphics that are modern by even today's standards.

>>5239787
>/vr/ 1.6 server WHEN
I would seriously consider a source server for that purpose. But not 1.6 just to spite anyone who thinks that 6th generation is not retro, but anything that runs on windows 98 is.

>>5239798
>>5239805
Source did a lot of things right, but at the end of the day 1.6 had the best gameplay out of probably any CS game. I do wish Source had more players, though.

>>5239798
>It had the lack of clutter that 1.6 had
I always thought the Source maps felt cluttered because of the phys props and extra shit everywhere

>>5239753
>wahh i want to talk about vidya games from *MY* childhood/adolescence but I don't want to go to /v/ - Video Games and make a non-shit, video game related thread

>>5239761
Literally not even close. I played Unreal, CS, HL, Deltaforce, TFC and god knows what else before Halo. Halo 1 campaign was great, especially with a friend. Grow up.

>>5239819
This is true. As an extension of HL2, it was cluttered with shit EVERYWHERE.

>>5240172
"Grow up", said the kid with nostalgia for fucking Halo

The most fun I had with CS was during the /vr/ period, during and slightly after CS still used the Half-Life MP5 model.

Losing the driveable APC was a mistake.

>>5240326
>The most fun I had with CS was during the /vr/ period
What's the /vr/ period?

>>5240226
It's not nostalgia though. It is common sense. Being a contrarian nigger doesn't mean you have good taste, and I assure you, you do not.

>>5240175
Yeah I remember playing cs_office after switching to Source and seeing someone stack a bunch of filing cabinets in a hallway to block it off. Thought that was pretty dumb.

>>5240409
Nading the corner to stack the filing cabinets in front of the door was fun as shit. Not sad they removed it though.

just spent 2 hours surfing lads

>>5240426
Was never a fan of surfing, but I thoroughly enjoyed kz

Today will be a cage day no running no jumping no rebelling

>>5238989
>>5238998
Doom mods made last week are retro. Why wouldn't be a mod for a 1998 game?

>>5237872
That includes World of Warcraft

>>5240762
They dropped compatibility a long time ago, as well as with 2000. As for whether it's retro or not, perhaps it's fuzzy at the edges. I still say it's a good rule of thumb, however.

>>5237973
>>5237920
I always loved the little jokes you could find in certain maps.
>Playing BF1942 Desert Combat mod.
>All the Iraqi forces look like Saddam.
>One of the desert maps has a little town in the outskirts with a pinto.
>It can fucking fly.

>>5238424
There's also the fact that PS2 had BC so people could still play PS1 games on it.
But I agree Xbox was the dudebro console.

>>5240789
We don't need a "rule of thumb." Read the god damn sticky.

>>5237920
>>5237920


I played the fuck out of old counterstrike after tribes 1 died and t2 was such an abortion. You are spot on about maps...something css was severely lacking. 1.6 had so many good mouse/rat maps, and good custom maps all around. sure there were bad ones but there were so many that were so good. Then css came along and it was fuckin dust 24/7. The italy update was nice but I quit when GO came out. Haven't played it once.

>>5240379
The contrarian nigger is the guy defending fucking halo in /vr/. There are boards and other sites more suited to your shit taste

PS2/XHuge/GC is retro imo

>>5239793
Dreamcast is really Gen 5-1/2 though.

>>5239793
>All PC games that ran on windows 98 are also acceptable
However, most PC software up to the mid-2000s still technically supported Windows 9x even if 90% of people ran it on XP boxes.

>>5240226
You do know the original Halo came out in 2001, it's almost 20 years old.

I do have to say, Halo 1 looked amazing when you saw it running on store demos back then.

>>5239753
>Everything up through and including 6th gen should count as "retro" for the intents and purposes of this board and you KNOW it.
Actually it's more an issue of the PS2 still having games coming out up to 2013 or 14. Technically if you allow 6th gen discussion then it would include stuff only a couple of years old.

>>5241175
>Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier

>>5241512
I think what he's trying to get at is that anon acts like Halo is something that came out like 2 years ago when he doesn't have much awareness of the passage of time. Snot-nosed 11 year olds today don't play Halo, it was well before they were alive.

>>5237846
Mod > "actual game"

>>5241537
>>5241512
No the argument was about if and when 6th gen stuff becomes /vr/ and the consensus was that if it does, we can never allow Gaylo discussion on here. Ever.

>>5241512
>being this autistic over 2 years
No one is saying that it is retro by your autistic standards. Someone made a post shitting on it and I defended it saying that it was fun playing through the campaign and then your autism took over and here we are.

I thought it was because anon accused the other guy of being underage for having played a game that came out almost 20 years ago.

Normie trash like Halo should be banned from /vr/ forever. Even in 30 years it should still be banned.

>>5241578
Do you have a formal diagnosis?

One time we invited a team to our server for a scrim on d2 and we had AMX mod installed. We were on CT and we used AMX mod to disguse one of our friends as a T and as the Ts rushed b and took over the site, our friend rushed with them and hid in closet with his model changed to the leet crew. At some point the Ts realized that they had 6 people instead of 5 and then opened fire on him lol.

AMX mod was so much fucking fun. I heard rumors about people using it to open CD trays on peoples computers but I never experienced it myself.

>>5241578
Moron.

>>5241625
Wtf? Of what?

>>5237872
Good thing YOUR rule of thumb is completely irrelevant. We have a sticky and it's very clear. Fuck off.

>>5242797
.Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Yup, it's clear alright. We can discuss any PC game that ran on Windows 98. Fuck off.

>>5241951
>AMX mod was so much fucking fun. I heard rumors about people using it to open CD trays on peoples computers but I never experienced it myself.
Yeah you could do that, it'd freak some people out. Used to use a plugin that would let you change people's keybinds and make them input console commands, so for people who were being shitters I'd make them start spinning and turn their mic on to hear their reaction.

>>5237872
Man I have tons of games I want to talk about but can't
>game year 2003-2004
>too new for VR
>too old for V, VG
What do? I really hope that 1999 rule shifts a bit upwards. Damit the post will be 5 years old in months.

>>5243502
Yeah, I have a few games I'd like to discuss as well, but I'm not selfish enough to discuss RR5 while haloniggers and consolewar kids flood this board with meaningless discussion like which RE4 version is better or how PS2 only sold well for being cheap dvd. Let that crap at /v/

>>5243518
If only /v/ was not full of zoomers who don't touch anything pre minecraft

>>5243518
Easy: You just ban Halo discussion. :^)

>>5243502
>What do? I really hope that 1999 rule shifts a bit upwards. Damit the post will be 5 years old in months.
I heard that Moot wrote the board rules and he had no actual interest in the board's subject matter, it was just something he pulled from a hat.

>>5243605
Should have been a +15 year rule imho.

Its a Half Life mod so id consider it retro, hell id consider Day of Defeat retro too. Pretty much for pc any game after 2001 is usually too new.

>>5243502
I think maybe we can bump it up to 2003, but Xbox discussion should still be banned.

>>5243620
When will xbox be considered retro? With new console gen?

>>5243624
>When will xbox be considered retro?
The Xbox has to be banned permanently to make sure Gaylo can never be discussed here.

Was anybody ever the kid at LAN parties where you wanted to try different levels and all everybody else wanted to play was fucking dust ?

>>5243649
Autism.

>>5238858
This. People who played Halo twenty years ago bullied me and so I WILL get back at them.

>>5243841

>>5238416
Do you want these kinds of people on /vr/? 'Cause I don't.

>>5243843
It doesn't follow the rules so it doesn't belong which I'm fine with. I just find the seething hatred for Halo funny.

>>5243851
>It doesn't follow the rules so it doesn't belong which I'm fine with
???

>>5243857
???

>>5238380
>12 year old Gaylo fans would invade this board
As opposed to the autist that shat up this thread with his own autistic definition of what is retro and what isn't that ultimately boils down to nothing more than his personal tastes? How is this any better?

>>5243987
>As opposed to the autist that shat up this thread with his own autistic definition of what is retro and what isn't that ultimately boils down to nothing more than his personal tastes?
How does arbitrarily setting it to games made in <2000 amount to anything less than someone's personal taste?

>>5238416
>To make it simple, if you allow 6th gen discussion, you have to at least make an exception for Halo and ban it from /vr/.
Only if we can ban Doom and Mario 64 discussions. I would accept that as a fair trade.

>>5241170
>However, most PC software up to the mid-2000s still technically supported Windows 9x even if 90% of people ran it on XP boxes.
I am just citing the rules as they exist. Any software that runs on the Windows 9x & earlier PLATFORM is acceptable.

Plenty of games that ran on the Dreamcast were also released on the PS2 and Xbox, but these titles are forbidden to speak of, and causes squawking from the concern-trolls.

>>5243721
>Was anybody ever the kid at LAN parties where you wanted to try different levels and all everybody else wanted to play was fucking dust ?
Try being the guy who wanted to play cs_assault.

>>5244164
>I am just citing the rules as they exist. Any software that runs on the Windows 9x & earlier PLATFORM is acceptable.

wtf you talking about man?... the rules clearly state that PC games MUST be made before 2000 or they can't be spoken about here. This is how it's been for years. And it's fair, otherwise you could have who knows what, some 2018 games that somehow manage to run on the old window system.

Also I disagree with you in principle that Halo shouldn't be allowed to be discussed here because it was too mainstream and would invite mainstream people or whatever. That is not the proper way to think about things imo, however Halo is past the cutoff point.

>>5244205
>the rules clearly state that PC games MUST be made before 2000 or they can't be spoken about here
>any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

>>5244212
I had a quick glance at the rules after I said that just to make sure they hadn't change or anything, and I have to admit, it's not as clear as I imagined. It's christmas eve, I'm going to assume it's a misunderstanding rather than quoting a part of it out of context to manipulate it and prove yourself "right". But just be aware that when you cut off a part of something for no real reason other than apparently to make yourself look more right, that's obnoxious. Your goal is supposed to be to get to the truth, not to make out that you were "right". Like I have been on this board for years, and you just come around telling others what the rules are without a clue of them yourself, chopping up bits of quotes, I have no idea what age you are or your background, but maybe an idea would be to read a board for a while before you attempt schooling and then arguing with people there years.

Look at it again... it say says computer games, arcade games or platforms released before 2000. Platforms are considered to be consoles and not operating systems (which makes no real sense, despite I acknowledge that consoles being termed a platform sometimes in gaming journalism). This is how it has been interepreted and will continue to be interpreted by this board. You can't post any PC games after 2000 period.

>>5244227
>You can't post any PC games after 2000 period.

>>/vr/thread/S5088071

We had a lengthy thread about Civ3.

>>5244227
>Platforms are considered to be consoles and not operating systems (which makes no real sense, despite I acknowledge that consoles being termed a platform sometimes in gaming journalism).
PCs are a platform though and go back to 1981.

>>5244227
There's been steady Deus Ex (2000) threads for years, newfag

>>5244227
Shut the fuck up you retarded nigger.

>>5244205
>And it's fair, otherwise you could have who knows what, some 2018 games that somehow manage to run on the old window system
But it's allowed apparently to discuss new homebrew games for the Atari 2600.

>>5243843
second anon is right though

>>5244262
>>5244296
That thread is about the first 3 Civs. Nobody marks them sometimes, they're let slide. Deus Ex threads are rare despite being a massive game and often pointed out as being not retro when they pop up. If noone bothers marking it then often a mod won't delete something, and people don't bother marking them. I'll mark the rare deus ex thread up right now just for you.

>>5244267
It depends on how you define platform but not really. That guy is trying to use an operating system as being a "platform" which is even worse. Whatever the case, the first part of the sentence explicitly stating "computer games, arcade games and other videogames on platforms made before 2000" should clear things up. Otherwise there would be no point to the first part of the sentence, that's why him cutting off the first part of the sentence was so bad.

>>5244329
>I'll mark the rare deus ex thread up right now just for you.
I have to go but I'll be back in a few hours to laugh at you because the Deus Ex thread is still up.

>>5244329
>Whatever the case, the first part of the sentence explicitly stating "computer games, arcade games and other videogames on platforms made before 2000" should clear things up
Yes but PC compatibles go back to 1981 which technically means it is a pre-2000 platform.

>>5244335
Technically then Fortnite can be called retro. Because it's on the PC platform which goes back to 1981 right?

Maybe you could build a case if you call each PC a different platform (hence all computers before 2000 and games that play on them count). But then what about supercomputers? If a 1999 supercomputer can play Fortnite then it's retro? Also the most obvious problem is how well can it play them, what if it's choppy and hardly playable on the lowest settings but someone claims it's retro? So the one that makes most sense and the way it's always been is that PC games before 2000 count and so do all games on consoles that were released before 2000. I know the different treatment of PC and console creates severe OCD autism in some people, too bad.

>>5244418
Fortnite is not compatible with Windows 98.

>>5244473
Noone's talking about Windows 98 faggot. Run it on the most modern form of Windows the hardware will take.

>>5244329
hey bud the deus ex thread is still up :^)

>>5244418

Supercomputers from 1999 were far from capable of running modern games. They were basically clusters of weaker computers (or consoles like NASA did). Imagine a cpu with a lot of very weak cores - perfect for professional use, absolute shit for gaming.

>>5244483
Except that's what we're talking about you enormous faggot.

As an aside, why does /vr/ hate Halo so much?

>>5244262
Civ3 is still Windows 98 compatible so it can fall under /vr/ while Civ4 came out around the end of the XP era so it's not.

>>5244515
Nobody was talking about Windows 98 except with how it was confirmed that operating systems had obviously nothing to do with it and people that thought it had anything to do with it were gigantic faggots.

>>5244552
It was always my take that the Windows 9x era ran parallel with the 5th gen consoles while XP ran parallel with the 6th gen.

>>5244528
Halo signaled console FPS' popularity exceeding that of PC FPS (in terms of raw sales) and the priorities of developers followed suit -- more FPS were designed with console/multiplat in mind than with the mouse and keyboard experience first and foremost (CoD4 being the obvious example). Arguably led to the games being shittier.

Plus Halo popularized the mechanic of recovering health (shield, in Halo's case) by taking cover and waiting for it to come back instead of seeking out health packs. Halo actually did this very cleverly -- you only take cover to recover your shields, but you also still have a health bar that needs health pickups to replenish. Games influenced by this system did away with the healthpacks entirely, so you end up with Cod4-style "hide behind a wall until your vision isn't all blurry anymore and you're good to go" health systems which are still popular today in a lot of shooters coming out.

I scoffed at Halo at the time ("I'll stick with Quake 3, thank you") but I have to admit it's a very solid game all around. Great music too.

>>5244574
Granted, still the original game is nearly 20 years old, I doubt it would attract the douchey 11 year olds that one anon is talking about. And besides, FPSes have fallen out of popularity in the last number of years, their peak was from the mid-2000s to about 2012.

>>5244565
This. That other guy is just madly autistic.

>>5244335
Modern PCs have little in common with stuff from the 80s-90s though.

Best CS map coming through.

>>5243721
We used to play a lot of fy_iceworld, and poolday.

>>5241578
Agreed, Halo is/was fucking garbage. No Halo on /vr/.

>>5240858

Ironically CS:GO offers more variation in the official map department, because you're not forced to play fucking dust2 for the rest of your life. Too bad all the iconic maps like backalley, torn, vegas and so on are gone forever.

>>5244791
You can still play community servers

>>5244329
Hey, the Deus Ex thread is STILL up lol

de_dust erryday back in the day. I miss those times.

Militia was dope

>>5246675
Eh.

>>5246675
Used to like Italy, Oilrig, and Nuke too.

For custom maps, all the Assault edits were fun for a while. Used to play Scoutzknivez with low gravity too which was fun. And there was some little gas station kind of map with a cornfield and drivable tractor that was silly but entertaining for a bit.

>>5237914
I still say CSS because I'm a faget.

>>5239796
Weren't they smaller before the fucking economy update?

>>5244227
>when you cut off a part of something for no real reason other than apparently to make yourself look more right, that's obnoxious
I will accept your weak apology. Windows 98 is still the platform, and I Hope you have/had a Merry Christmas!

I played hours of CZ in study hall with bots because that's all I could do, but I was pretty fucking rad with a mousepad in this game at one point. I miss those days, GO is fun with friends and all, but it isn't quite the same.

>>5248119
Yeah you are. 1.6 is objectively the best in every way except graphics.

>>5248650
For competitive. Source is by far the best for fun.

>>5248651
Not really. Source is and always will be 1.6s retarded little brother. In source to get to stack filing cabinets in hallways and that is it.

>>5237920

Yea, i'm one of those last brazillians there lol, i used to play 1.6 since 2001, desu i didn't play it anymore from 2009 up to 2015, but eventually i came back beacuse i can't stand the newer CS versions, especially GO and his ultracompetitive esports aura, and i can say, 1.6 still beautiful to this day

>>5248664

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>>5248671

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>>5237815
No. I only consider things made before I was born (1997) to be retro.

>>5237815
>Do any of you still play it today?
more or less 1h a month, used to play 1.6 A LOT in highschool on the tech room PCs with my classmates 4 years ago.

>>5244791
>Ironically CS:GO offers more variation in the official map department
Servers in source and goldsrc also had a "maplist" file that they would cycle through. Most basic server plugins would also over a vote system. I operated a network of 8 connected CS:S servers for years, and we had servers with thousands of maps. We had one server that would run alternate time/season official maps. Maps at night, in the snow or during a thunderstorm. Same maps, just different weather.

We also had interconnected stats linking all the servers together back to a web interface. EVERYTHING about your play style including your most common hangouts in every map were known publicly. I haven't found an online game that offered that same level of fun since cs:s.

>>5237825
/thread

>>5248650
The sound sucks dick.

>>5237920
Also awp maps like awp_city and tir_pigeon. There was nothing more satisfying on an awp map than managing to reach the enemy base undetected and knifing two or three snipers before getting shot.

>>5251108
https://youtu.be/scOVCax6jOc?t=95

God, these were so fun.

>>5237929
They changed the Awp sound in GO
:(

>>5243605
I "heard" you're just making stuff up because if you """heard""" something on the internet, you can post the source here.

>>5238416
I wish we could just ban you.

>>5242805
Too bad the mods randomly say fuck off to you for that.