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thank you
i've played 2 and it's great

>>5207424
When the fuck was 2 translated?

I played Returns, 2 Reloaded and Sajin no Kusari and I kind of liked the setting in 1 the most.
Tried Hagane no Kisetsu and it felt awful all around.

>>5207381
Ohh baby, this is nice. Real noice

>>5207381
How does this compare with Metal Max Returns? Is there any point in playing this rather than the remake?

>>5207687
Big notable difference is the removal of smoke screens in Returns. Otherwise Returns lowered the difficulty in a number of spots.
http://metalmaniax.com/index.php?MMR%2F%B9%B6%CE%AC%2FMM1%A4%C8%A4%CE%B9%B6%CE%AC%B0%E3%A4%A4
Tanks etc are also slightly different.

What's considered to be the best game in the series?

>>5209037
Metal Max Return is pretty solid and good starting point, check it out!

>>5207437
It hasn't been.
>>5207687
Nah the remake is superior.

>>5209037

In relationship to what the English speaking world will know? MMR. As a series on whole? 2.

>>5209528
Anyone trying to translate 2?

>>5207381
Oh, that's good news for people who don't know JP, wonder how many will play it though since Returns is a thing.
>>5207441
Kizetsu is the black sheep of the series, together with the newest Xeno.
I personally like 2R and 1/R the most, 1 has a bit of an edge because I feel the overall scenario is better realized and more iconic, but 2R fixes some of the flaws 2 had and also adds a shitload of content, so while I think 2R is objectively the superior game all around 1/R still wins out a bit personally.
>>5209037
Returns, 2R and 4 are the highest rated entries in the series, but only Returns is available in english, and you should play it first either way because it's the game that explains what happened to the world, and while outside of 2/2R there's no real continuity all Metal Max take place in the same world, but in different regions, kinda like Fallout.
Saga entries are something of an alternate/non canon continuity to 1 and are directly related to it, Xeno is its own alternate continuity.
It basically goes like this:

Main: 1/R-->2/2R--(3)--(4)
Saga continuity: 1/R--Metal Saga--Hagane no Kizetsu
Xeno continuity:(1/R)?-Xeno-

>>5210442
>Saga continuity: 1/R--Metal Saga--Hagane no Kisetsu
HnK is a direct sequel to 1, you play as the son of the mechanic from 1.
The whole plot rubbed me in a bad way because it felt like the opposite of what the series stood for.
Lackluster graphics and awful controls didn't help either.

SnK is more of a reboot with some hints of 1, similar to how2 treated it.

>>5210458
>HnK is a direct sequel to 1, you play as the son of the mechanic from 1.
I know you're playing as Kliff's son, but Saga is also its own direct continuity since the Noa Seed plot is a main scenario for both games, both are direct sequels to 1 in their own right.
>it felt like the opposite of what the series stood for.
2 is also a direct sequel to 1 in its own way, but it's handled a lot better, without fanfiction bullshit like the Noa Seed scenario and retconning parts of 1 to make it work, it just felt cheap and a bit of insulting, Xeno is the same being more or less an alternate Metal Max 2 for some things.

>>5210461
2 also gives too much emphasis on the Grapplers. Your character is on a clear path of revenge and slowly gaining ground against them.
In 1 you were just fucking around. Taking out Noa was just one thing to do and nobody really realized what you had done.
Metal Saga took a compromise between them, giving you some breadcrumbs to follow while still taking the back seat in your adventures.

>>5210470
>In 1 you were just fucking around
Yeah, but to be fair only 1 has that kind of premise, 2 is focused on your vengeance on the Grapplers, 3 is about finding your girlfried and remembering who you are, which ties directly into the main villain faction again, 4 is a retread of 2 but with a single major antagonist rather than an entire faction, Saga games are all about Noa seeds and Xeno is again, a retread of the vengeance theme from 2.
Only Saga is kind of similar to 1, and only because the big picture isn't clear until the very end, and also because it was meant as a beginning to a new continuity itself without discarding the previous one completely I guess.

>>5210442
>Kizetsu is the black sheep of the series, together with the newest Xeno.
I know Xeno isn't anything close to the "actual" Metal Max games, but I'm having a fucking blast with Xeno.

>>5210514
Oh if you played the previous games there's a lot of stuff that will make you smile, but as a Metal Max game it's pretty damn bad.
Where are you at?

>>5210526
Yeah, it's bad but something about it just clicks with me. It's been really fun.
Just got Ittica to join and obtained the Prism Key, so now I'm searching for the Cherboug parts. Not sure how far I am from the end but I heard there's a Hard Mode with more Hunts, is it true?

>>5210534
You're in the midgame more or less.
>I heard there's a Hard Mode with more Hunts, is it true?
After you finish the game by beating the final boss you're given the option to start a NG+ cycle, either normal or Hunter Mode.
A Normal cycle lets you repeat the game while carrying what you got from the previous file, but adds nothing, Hunter mode removes all the story portions while letting you carry over your progression and start with harder difficulty bonuses.
Hunter Mode reshuffles the content of most chests in the game by giving you new items/parts, many of those chests also contain new blueprints for new tank chassis models, many of which are extremely powerful, you also get an EXP/Gold/Drop rate boost that also gets higher the more cycles you start.
All enemies get an overall stat boost, moreover, for each higher difficuly NG+ Hunter Mode loop new Wanted! enemies are added on the map, not to mention you can farm more Nephilim Chips for the Nephilim parts you'll get later on, so you can max those out, which is impossible to do on a normal run.
To get all of the content in the game you need to do a total of four loops, the last loop, Heaven difficulty is just a bonus mode with the best EXP/gold/Drop bonuses in the game with none of the enemy bonuses.

>>5210556
Impressive. For such a budge release, they invested a lot in the NG+ content. I mean, considering that most games released nowadays, which don't even have a Hard mode most of the time. I honestly thought it was just a standard Hard mode, something like adding som % to enemy stats some extra bosses and called it a day.
Thanks for the info, my man. I'll wrap up Xeno and then gonna start this Famicom gem next.

>>5210561
>they invested a lot in the NG+ content.
Kind of, since you unlock a lot of new stuff, but the gameplay is not varied enough to justify going through all of that to be frank.
I did it and it was really not worth it, especially since the enemy bonuses become so ridiculously high there's only one viable strategy to use at all time and it's not really challenging or fun either.
It's fun to see all those old enemies from previous games again though, a lot of enemies in Xeno appeared only in the original Metal Max and honestly, they hit the nostalgia spot really hard, especially the Rommel Ghost and Brass Banshee.

>>5210572
Did you also replay 2R on higher difficulties?

>>5210575
Yeah, why do you ask?

>>5210572
I'll give a shot at the Hunter Mode for one cycle and see how it goes. I'll enjoy the ride for now. Thanks, anon.

>>5210580
Does it make for an interesting challenge?

>>5210586
Not really, outside of a couple of new Wanted! fights exclusive to it, but it's fun, better than what Xeno does either way since it's actually non linear, while Xeno is a fucking corridor even on Hunter Mode.

wonder if the DS translations are dead

>>5210601
Most translation projects take a long while, and some don't give any news of being alive for months. And the DS translation scenes isn't really that big, so getting some hacker on board for some hard stuff isn't an easy task like on the SNES or PSP scenes, for instance.

>>5210347
AGTP has had 2 at "20%" status for DECADES, so don't expect it to get done EVER.

>>5211510
Gideon actually shat out if... this year out of nowhere, so anything is possible at this point.

>>5213045
He has like 80 games "reserved" and he only translates like 1 per year.

>>5213527
Don't forget Gideon is also a huge pussy
He straight up gave up on the RS2 SNES translation the moment that someone else announced that they were going to translate it

>>5215684
Is there EVER going to be a translation of the Romancing SaGa 2 ROM?

>>5215915
I cry every night due to the fact that I'll never be able to play the game on a comfy CRT like I always wanted to
The script is fully translated. It's just that there's no hacker that wants to do the job of putting the script in a rom

>>5210491
They should have kept it.
What 1 also had was a desolated world. It felt like there were isolated pockets of civilization inhabiting ruins with very little contact between them. It made you feel more like an explorer of the unknown than just visiting towns you already heard everything about.

I'm grateful for all games with an english translation.
That being said, the main character looks like the fucking NPC meme.

>>5213045
>Gideon actually shat out if... this year out of nowhere

He was seething that someone dared to also work on SMT.

>>5215915
Nope.
>>5216032
>the main character looks like the fucking NPC meme.
MM1 Hunter is based, shut the fuck up.

>>5216131
Chill manchild, I was just pointing out that he looked like a npc on the cover.

>>5216131
>Nope
Please don't do this to me anon

>>5216131
Rena is the best protagonist.

Make sure to update the WP page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Max_(video_game)

>>5216284
Didn't those editors realize the tanks in MMR differed from the original?

>>5216295

Almost certainly it's people who played MMR only.

Also remember, everything boils down to sourcing on WP since it's actually scholarship. Modern web sources, JP books, magazines, etc are needed.

>>5216310

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/vc/vc_mmr/index.html

This is a good site in JP that explains the game. Use that as a source.

>>5215936
fucking ridiculous

>>5216276
>Non canon MC
>Best anything

>>5216704
I know
I'd be willing to pay someone thirty bucks for them to do that since RS2 is my favorite game of all time yet I've only played the PC port

>>5218130
>>5216704
>>5215936
To be more specific, Eien ni Hen has fully translated the script, and gave it to Gideon. He's been unable to figure out how to insert it into RS2's ROM for about 9 years now. Hell, if anyone has the fucking script I would be willing to take a swing at it just to see how difficult it really is.

>>5216717
I'm saving this pic my man

I have a PSX game I want to translate. I already have a script, but I don't know the technical side. Are there any tutorials for this sort of thing? (Not naming the game, don't want to get hopes up if this falls apart)

>>5220263
on rhd,n maybe

>>5220263
Mizzurna Falls?

>>5220341
Site down for a bit. Found a jank tutorial on YT that has gotten me in a hex editor for now.

>>5220351
Has that ever been translated?

Just finished Metal Max Returns. Either Phantasy Star ripped off the story of this or vice versa. Talking about the story, why was the entirety of it delivered through a random bloodstained note?

>>5216704
Hacking the game to insert the translation and display it properly is by far the hardest part and usually requires someone skilled in old ASM with a lot of spare time

>>5221193
Such stories have been around since the 50s and are variations of even older ones.

>>5207381
Gideon is a faggot

>>5221193
Literally NOTHING in JRPGs is original.

>>5222486
What about the waifus though.

>>5221193
>Either Phantasy Star ripped off the story of this or vice versa
The Terminator scenario isn't exactly uncommon.
>why was the entirety of it delivered through a random bloodstained note?
Why not?
Besides, that's not really the story, the story is you fucking shit up with your bros and stumbling into Noa, what caused the great catastrophe is just general lore, not the point of the story.
Metal Max is about you becoming a hunter and living the hunter life, then as you explore you learn more things about the world you're living in you eventually happen into Noa, fuck it up and go back to your Hunter business, as you noticed the game doesn't end after you beat Noa either, it ends when you, as a player, want it to end.
MM2 is another story though.

>>5222507
Not a strong point of MM1. You've got your sister and the soldier and both offer limited interaction.
The later games have a lot more to offer.
Doggos are even more of a factor for the later games and utterly lacking in MM1.

>>5222554
The story is about an environmental computer that goes rogue, which is the exact same story as Phantasy Star IV.

And the game does finish after you defeat Noah because there's nothing else left to do. It's really stupid they give you the best weapon in the room before the last boss too because i never got to use it once

>>5222641
>The story is about an environmental computer that goes rogue,
That's the background.
>And the game does finish after you defeat Noah because there's nothing else left to do.
Depends on your goals. There's likely still bounty to get and parts of the world to explore.

>>5222641
>The story is about an environmental computer that goes rogue,
No, the story is about (You) becoming a hunter and getting dem bounties, Noa is just there to give you context for the world and to put a big bad that acts as the strongest boss in the game.
Again, the game doesn't end after you beat Noa, you have no personal beef with it either, nor anybody really cares, the ending doesn't even remotely mention or acknowledge Noa.
>which is the exact same story as Phantasy Star IV.
Actually, Mother Brain was the final boss of II, to which IV is a sequel of, so if you want to bring up games with the same premise at least do it right, and again, it's not something PSII came up with either, the big computer going rogue is a classic science fiction plot.
>And the game does finish after you defeat Noah because there's nothing else left to do
The game is non linear, you can go straight to Noa with a souped up Mosquito if you want to, beat it and do all the rest later.

>>5222641
>>5222670
Noah was right.

>>5207381
>Returns exists and they do this instead of the many games that are different games

Okay, I guess...so now I have a reference point to see how shit the original version is, like with Resident Evil or Perfect Dark.

>this is the most recent game in the Metal Max series
This series deserved better then fucking this. It's a shame this series could never catch on. Goofy open world Mad Max is all people wanted and even that was too "unsafe" for them to do.

>>5224153

>>5221518
did he try copy and paste or maybe drag and drop?

>>5224165
>>5224153
what the fuck

>>5224153
>>5224165
I dislike Xeno as much as the next guy, but you're being a bit dishonest here, those segments are just a tiny part of the game (luckily).

>>5224985
How are the tank and tank modding options in Xeno?

>>5224986
Pretty good, although a bit different from the rest of the series due to some mechanical differences like CPUs being a proprietary part that can't be swapped, you use chips instead to customize the base CPU.
Some other optional parts like air conditioners do not exist due to the actual poison mechanics being changed, same with things like burn or freeze stats, they do not exist in Xeno, same with other things like lead mushrooms.

For evertyhing else, it's pretty much on the same level as 2R/4, a bit better for some things since you can now mass produce tanks when you get the blueprints and have enough materials, so you can have a team of three red wolves if you want, which is nice.
Due to the game being linear though, do not expect the amount of fuckery you can do in other games, the upgrade routes are pretty much completely linear, which brings the general gameplay down compared to other games.

The tanks themselves are pretty great though.

>>5225064
Are the tanks single seat or can you squeeze your whole party into one and spam the same cannons over and over again?

>>5225074
Depends on the model.

Probably the most underrated JRPG series.

>>5224864

The "Child Crisis" in Japan is far worse than anyone suspects.

>>5226364
What does that mean? Or is this a joke post?

>>5227076
I think he was referring to Japan's low birth rate.

>>5207381
Awesome... I first played the super famicom one years ago and than shortly after learned about the ps2 game. ran out and bought it and have owned it since. lovely rpg imo.

Will be playing this over the next few days.