/vr/ - Retro Games

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=== NEWS ===

[12-09]
MetaDoom v5.2 update release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=727bb59aa0f854949cc3abe8b4d8795f&start=1500#p1082806

[12-08]
Hell Caliber feature complete release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62535

[12-07] Blood getting remastered release through Nightdive Studios
https://gematsu.com/2018/12/horror-first-person-shooter-blood-remaster-announced-for-pc

[12-04] func_msgboard organizes a Doom themed Quake speedmap pack
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=10196&start=4085

[12-02] textures.com released a bunch of medieval textures
https://blog.textures.com/medieval-release

[12-02] Quake III Arena's 19th birthday

[12-02] Ultimate Doom The Way id Did released, replacing Thy Flesh Consumed
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/67363-ultimate-doom-the-way-id-did-%E2%80%94-released/?page=5&tab=comments#comment-1940859

[12-02] Compatibility patch to run Doom mods in Strife, minimizing gamebreaking bugs
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5186228/#5191961

[11-29] Nashgore returns in the form of Vengeance Edition
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=62641

[11-25] Colorful Hell 0.95 available, changing Chaingunners and adding White Cyberdemons
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1080925#p1080925

[11-24] Test version release of 'Doomsday Machine', a Chaos Engine TC for GZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=62571

[11-21] Man on Wing Commander CIC forums making Blender script to ease ripping sprites from 3D models
https://www.wcnews.com/chatzone/threads/wing-commander-sprite-enhancement-experimentation-and-information.29588/page-3#post-405356

[11-21] Anon map release: Hellevator
https://my.mixtape.moe/jlqesd.wad

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CACOWARDS TOMORROW
<--- MAKE A MAP WE CAN WIN NEXT YEAR

TNT Evilution seems like the definitive Doom 2 wad.

>great new music
>harder
>bigger levels
>tons of enemies
>mazy and tough levels
>little gimmicks
>dat tech base aesthetic
>dat cave level aesthetic

I've played them all. This is by far my favorite classic Doom experience. Plutonia doesn't even hold a candle unless I am wanting a bunch of brown sprinkled with unbeatable surprise traps of enemies 10 times each map.

25 years and it's still the best FPS ever made.
How did they do it, /vr/?

EPISODE 5 INCOMING NIGGAS

>>5209361
work, come home, lay down for an hour, play doom & post a screenie here later

>>5209417
They gave it everything a good FPS should have without any unnecessary extra.
They did every part of it right.
In the end, Doom is the purest of FPS.

>>5209416
I hate TNT, the levels are just messy with unintuitive progression, hexen-tier switches that open something on the other half of the level and completely unmemorable design. The only thing I like it is the track "Metal".
>unbeatable surprise traps
>Plutonia
Seriously? Pretty much every megawad released after Plutonia is harder than it, it's like a walk in the park, you're saying you can't play any doom megawad after 1996 because they're too hard for you? Jesus. There's a reason that back in the pre-Skulltag days there were always a bunch of Plutonia servers on zdaemon packed with players but no TNT ones.

>>5209417
>code monkeys behind development; John Carmack coded fast 3D gameplay that's able to run on office computers; pays off
>good development tools made by developers; trade-off is even better tools made by community when game was open-sourced
>awesome developers with scope and respect; open-sourced their shit so the game lives on, while everything else died or is slowly fizzling out
>tons of custom made levels and still more being made
>was made to run on office computers of the mid 90's; nowadays it runs on anything that processes bits of data (SBCs, tablets, thermostats, calculators, whatever); awesome scalability
>not many gameplay mechanics to grasp; challenge and gameplay comes solely from level design and player's ability of ammo management/pathfinding/movement
>fast, arcade game levels of fast; always has been, never won't be
>deathmatch became popular by accident with Doom; now it's a standard in many games today
>singlehandedly caused a desire for people to upgrade their PCs to play it; now it pretty much plays on anything
>game console owners got love, too; huge ass list of ports to various game consoles of all ages, some with unique and cool features/content
>birthplace of level designers who'd take their shit to other well-known games; kickstarted their career
>has demo recording, a totally awesome feature that modern games seem to lack nowadays; save your gameplay and play it back anytime within the engine itself
>awesome music, MIDI, FM, or digitally arranged otherwise, with badass remixes and arrangements throughout the years
>shareware; first episode being installed on PCs was like people breathing oxygen; spread like wildfire
>rather non-toxic and awesome community which caters to all types of content from classic vanilla to anything but
>developers are retrospective about Doom; Romero still makes levels, Carmack still talks about it, rest of the dev team loves to reminisce

My list can go on but that's beyond the character limit.

>>5209416
I liked Evilution a lot too. I think it's better than Doom 2. But it's still got problems.

>surprise traps out the ass.

Seriously, it got the point early on that I knew that after every key or sphere there'd be some enemies waiting for me behind the wall.

>Hit-scan enemies far away

This was really annoying. I'd be playing a level and my life would be dwindling down and it would be because of some chaingunner on the other side of the map. This happened too many times.

But I did enjoy the overall level design of most of the maps, the new music, textures, and intermission screen, and improved engine all made it a worthwhile experience.

>>5209456
>demo recording, a totally awesome feature that modern games seem to lack nowadays
I imagine a lot of that is due to physics simulations not being exact. You'd have to save the location and rotation of everything every couple of tics instead of just repeating the inputs and having everything fall into place.

>>5209456
>rather non-toxic and awesome community which caters to all types of content from classic vanilla to anything but

those were the days

>>5209417
Perhaps its the best but its not without its flaws.

>Anti-climatic end game boss in Doom 2
>The level design is a bit over the place. Particularly in Doom 2
>Hit-scan enemies that snipe you from the other side of the map
>Lost souls

It's still a great game but don't go acting like it's shit don't stink.

>>5209456
>>rather non-toxic and awesome community
bahahahahahaha. These threads, doomworld, newdoom and zdoom.org prove otherwise.

>>5209478
Compared to other modding communities out there that's pretty damn accurate.

>>5209478
ditto

What aspect ratio do you guys play Doom on? I'm replaying the original games in DOS Box in 320x200. Stretching the game to fill the screen looks ugly unless you apply filters to it.

>>5209473
>>5209478
To be fair, many other communities have it much worse. If you ask for help making a map, doesn't matter if it's a specific question or something "laughably" simple, people will still help instead of laughing you off as a newbie. Sure it still may happen, but not as much as it does elsewhere. You can make an amateur shit level and still be proud of it no matter how good your skills are, not Terrywad levels of shit but a level that lacks polish compared to the pre-shipped levels for example can still be somewhat appreciated.

>>5209405
Quake Xmas Jam 2018 is out and has a cool trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrbH2ilr-Kg

>>5209492
Kino

>>5209417
cuz papa carmack gave people the ability to make insane shit

>>5209531
Is there anything that magnificent bastard can't do?

>>5209535
make Rage good.

>>5209543
Or make a good game since Romero left other than Q3.

>>5209535
Steal documents without being caught.

>>5209548
Eh, I thought Doom 3 was alright

>>5209535
procreate

>>5209405
>>5209409
Whatever i'll upload this piece of shit. 2nd map I've ever made, let alone finished, in my life.

Name: Nothing Amaze-ing
Compatible with: Boom
Music: MAP06 Doom II

Things i learned:

>never ever do mazes with sectors
>don't ever do mazes under 100 minutes either you'll shave your backhairs
>can't be assed to ever detail any of my maps, major props to anyone who takes the time to bother with it
>i like resource-intensive maps, ammo saving, low health
>my map scale got blown to shit after i sketched it out on paper
>i will never get used to doom's map scaling

i had thoughts about scrapping this shit but it's some shit idea i started and wanted to finish it. most of my time was spent playtesting it and it's doable, just might take a few tries. had it sketched out on a shitty drawing and just tried to transfer it to doom builder as fast as i could, ended up scrapping a ton of shit.

>might qualify for worst map of project

enjoy
https://a.uguu.se/zJxKSCBrCYTu.7z

if the link dies i'll reupload it elsewhere

>>5209482
>>5209478
if you think the shitting on the communities give to faggots (i see you there, s'arais) is remotely comparable to the shit that goes on in other communities, i dunno what to tell you

I hope you anons like this, a bit earlier but muh timezones. Here's for more years of shooting demons in the face, bless you beautiful bastards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi1ZdZ6aKtg

>>5209535
Own a cat.

>>5209531
What map?

>>5209587
I found it.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101513-infinite-void-rechristened-refracted-reality/

>>5209560
It was fun enough, anon. 100 minutes to make a map is no joke. The point is to push yourself.
You done good.

Fuck it's the 25th anniversary already? Feels like yesterday I was just getting into Doom and it was the 20th anniversary. Here's to another 25 years everybody.

Cacowards are live.
https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2018/best1/

do you like caco?
>y/n

>>5209470
it's perfectly doable to write non deterministic physics but modern devs don't really seem to care about it, they are more concerned with keep up ridiculous development pace

>>5209639
Getting some sort of error code

>>5209678
You need a Doomworld account I think.
>>5209670
I don't know a lot about it, so I'll have to believe you.

Lads, isn't nashgore supposed to recolor its sprites based on the blood color of an actor? Is there anyway to make the blood color green for Flemoids? Also, why are flemoids attempting to attack from a distance? Does Chex Quest 3 not play well with the latest GZDoom versions?

>>5209682
Signing up to Doomworld is disabled right now.

Somebody archive or screenshot that shit.

>>5209682
Nah, it was just bugged.

>>5209560
props to even being able to finish it, I'm way too perfectionist to ever be able to make a playable level in 100 minutes

Well it was amusing, but Samsara definitely doesn't play nice with REKKR.

>>5209710
You would have to make a patch or something that defines the blood colors of the flemoids as green, and I don't know how difficult or easy that may be. Doesn't cooperate well with Bolognese or Nashgore since neither cancel out their teleport deaths properly. Not sure why they're attacking from a distance though.

so what are you dudes playing right now?

>>5209710
Old Nashgore certainly did

>>5209727
Yeah. I wanted to make a mod compatible version, but it ended up being quite a bit more work than I thought it would be. Then halfway through I moved and sorta forgot.
Maybe I'll go back to it.

>>5209531
>>5209587
>>5209590
and the red boi?

>>5209742
The ones from Samsara or High Noon Drifter work perfectly if you extract that and dump it into's own pk3 to run with mods.

>>5209753
I don't follow. Extract what? And what ones from Samsara/High Noon Drifter?

>>5209710

The Flemoids are actually resprited Doom monsters.
No, really. So with Nashgore, they're trying to follow the basic behavior of the Doom monsters.

Congrats to Kegan on the Cacoward!

>>5209758
They contain custom Chex enemies that use old Nashgore with gibs and stuff.
>>5209762
Doesn't make sense why new Nashgore is less compatible than the old one seen here.
>>5209739

>25th cacowards
And it's shit.
Oh well, keep running DOOM into the ground.

>>5209767
Oh. Ha. I was referring to REKKR not being mod compatible originally.

>it's another Jimmy and his cuckold squad hoard all the awards episode
Just as predicted.

>>5209768
>>5209778
hi s'arais, stay mad

Douk’s Birthday is next month

>>5209492
woah. stuff like this always makes me want to start mapping
what are good tutorials to look over beyond the quakewiki one covering trenchbroom

>>5209789
It'll be... 21? Old enough to drink?

>>5209806
23, actually

>>5209810
Oh yeh. I see. For some reason I thought it came out in 97, but even then it'd be 22. Did the math wrong either way.

>>5209782
Not even me, friendo.
Why don't you get over that grudge and actually work with me for a change instead of mindlessly believing everything you hear, bub?
You've nothing to lose.

Except being exposed for the deceiver you truly are; But you'll delete this post because it's "not retro"- even though DOOM is magically fucking not-retro whenever it suits you.

>>5209816
>Not even me, friendo.
sure thing, s'arais

>>5209819
Except the posts weren't mine and haven't been mine on several prior occasions that you accused people of being me.

People complained that this years cacowards were of low quality and zero thought put into selection, rather just selecting buddy-projects.

Come on, now.

>>5209824
>People complained that this years cacowards were of low quality and zero thought put into selection
they have been out for literally ten minutes

The Cacos are fine this year compared to last. At least it's projects with several maps and not just short gimmick wads/single maps getting awarded.

>>5209836
Always kinda thought they should have a megawad/large project section, and a single map section.
Might be asking a lot from a team of volunteers though.

>>5209762
So basically I just need to make a compatibility patch then? Probably not too hard.

Fine, Don't blame me when this happens.

SO ABOUT THOSE RETRO VIDEOGAMES RIGHT GUYS?

>>5209737
Running around Doom 2 with Metadoom
Goddamn that Soulcube is a lifesaver and as much as I love the alt fire on the chaingun, there just never is enough ammo for it for me to properly enjoy it. But the rocket launcher and the practically endless rocket supply thanks to the cube makes up for it.

Also pretty interesting how Archviles drop BFG/Argent cores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIAD5XEmU7M

who /game engine black book DOOM/ here
just got this for 10 bucks
the wolfenstein 3d one was good, this one should be even better

>>5209897
What sort of information is in it?

nice double standard vasayan

>>5209898
the wolfenstein one didn't cover every single line of code, but it covered every major system and explained how all the important bits worked (raycasting, texture scaling, perspective correction, etc).
Lots and lots of technical details and source code, it kept me reading for hours straight. This one should be at least as good.

>decided to play through Quake using quakespasm this morning
>played episodes in sequential order
>got a few levels into the fourth level and I had no sound for some reason
>save, quit, reboot
>load up my save and finish the fourth level
>there are no bars over the first three episodes implying that I haven't done them on that save (which I did)
Man, this sucks. Is this an engine thing or did I make a wrong turn in episode 4.

>>5209910
map end in console

>erik alm for espi
unexpected, but i'll take it

>>5209910
impulse 11 x3

not entirely sure why I bothered making this but happy 25 years of doom everyone

>>5209996
>why I bothered making this

Because we're all doom-pals together :3

> captain j for cacoward
unexpected but understandable

> the cheerleader of the doom community
that sounds like a cynical low-key insult, but it's not entirely unfounded
cpn j is a cinnamon roll with slightly broken english, which just makes it more endearing

Congrats Revae on the caco, and also being "Creator of the Year"! You earned it buddy

>>5210000
Damn, nice quads.

>GMOTA got an award

Riots aborted.

>>5210015
much deserved desu but i am slightly disappointed that i can't make angry posts on the internet about this anymore

Any Doom mods involving werewolves?

>>5209417
it's good but it ain't the best

>>5210000
This. Fuck the drama. I don't care who your beefs are in the community; but this is stupid, we're all here for the same purpose.

>>5210025
?????

there's literally only one person holding onto beefs
play doom, dude, have fun, go through the cacos, and enjoy the cool stuff released this year

25 YEARS OF THE BEST GAME EVER MADE

>>5210026
>there's literally only one person holding onto beefs
??????

>>5209763
>>5210015
>>5210018
I'm honestly more happy that Revae, Jimmy, Captain J, Batandy, Pillowblaster got some love for their hard work.
Hell of a lineup this year.

>doom isn't retro
except when it suits you right?
and faggots talking about their inbred half-cousin-motherdaughter's malformed fetus is retro? nice
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewqqv76rcq3tx5y/town.wad?dl=0
you're a faggot and do it for free https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Offended

>>5210020
I think Grezzo 2 lets you turn into one

>>5210057
Man I dont know what the fuck youre talking about but everyone is being positive and cheerful in this thread. Must you post this?

>>5210062
SEETHING

>>5210020
Wolfen

>>5209491
>this post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

>>5210063
please go to another thread I dont even know what that means exactly

>>5209487
>just go GZdoom and fullscreen it lol
It actually makes the experience so much better

Thanks for getting rid of him, mods. Cheers!

>>5210026
>>5210070
what did i miss

>>5210071
>tfw play fullscreen on hi-res with trillinear filtering

Call the cops, idgaf.

>>5210082
s'arais is really upset that jimmy won and he's trying to deny that he's not posting shit

>QC:DE actually fucking won an award
Good, played it countless hours with friends and even had a few LAN parties, unironically the most fun I've had in a multiplayer FPS in what seems like an era.

>>5210082
a jerk trying to ruin the festivities.

>>5209417
I honestly can't get over how well made and just genuinely interesting the levels are.

also too answer the question
>make something from scratch
>no unnecessary frills or sequel padders to set it apart from
>bare minimum, straight to the meat, objective fun everything has a purpose, built like a master craftsmen who designed his own tools

Good cacos.
Maybe I can get out of my slump and make something worthwhile for 26th. Like finish that halloween thing.

>>5209794
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE

>>5210086
>implying anger and not just truth
>all of the things blatantly jacking off a morbidly obese jew and/or his fucktoys who have taken over the awards just to praise him and his other echochamber friends
Good god it's like you want this hobby desecrated.
You used to be allowed to speak freely on 4chan. Fucking 4chan of all places has been pussified

>>5210110
You're not wrong, but you're acting like a nigger.

>>5210113
You know I've been treated the same since day one, so don't fucking expect any difference.
Maybe you could find me somewhere else to contact seeing as jannyboy here wants a promotion so badly and will delete anything he even suspects is one of my posts.
The only one holding a grudge is Jimbo and his cockmongler minions; we could of easily dropped all of this back in '17, but you've chosen to continue to this point instead of saying "fuck it we're both here for doom even if we have vastly differing points of view, that's no reason to fucking gag them"

>>5210086
Has s'arais ever been wrong?

>>5210118
yes

>>5209492
Something about the aesthetics of the majority of these maps and the flyby camera makes me feel really comfy and Unreal vibe-y.

>>5209416
I think that TNT is overall better than most of Doom 2, but TNT also has a pretty weak last third.
Doom 2 isn't without value however, aside from all the new good assets it provides, it has some very good levels to it.

>>5209417
Works on all fundamental levels, and was made to let users make their own content, even releasing the sourcecode, meaning that the fundamentally very good game can be used as a base to create all manner of great things deriving from it.

>>5210118
He is nothing but wrong.

>>5209639
Reallllly not liking this new Cacowards formatting, fat pages, larger font and huge spacing taking up the whole screen.

>>5210178
I've never been a fan of the way they format them, so many more pages and taken up space than needed.

Makes going back and reading old ones so time consuming.

>>5210178
Looks ok to me.

>>5210191
You sure? the other Cacowards are a lot more compact.

>>5210194
fits my screen just fine

>>5210178
>taking up the whole screen.
i prefer that to the mobile "only take up 25% of the screen" format desu

>>5210215
Oh. I don't read them on mobile, I wouldn't know.

What are some good City/Urban themed mapsets? Other than Going Down, of course.
I'm okay with some hell being in the maps but I want it to be primarily City/Urban.

Anyone have a copy of the GZDoom Language lump?

>>5210254
Ashes has some post apocalypse urban crawling.
Can either be played as the full TC, or stripped down to a mapset compatible with gameplay mods, called the "Sterilized Edition"

>>5210254
Hellbound has a bunch of urban maps, as well as installations and wilderness between urban maps. I never made it to the hell maps because I was playing it with Shut Up And Bleed, which made it VERY atmospheric, but the GZDoom version is just really fucking awfully balanced and doesn't jive with the gameplay that Hellbound is doing as the game progresses.

>>5210254
Lainos wads
Hellfire series

Good winners this year
And something I contributed to won an award
Now to never do anything Doom related again and vanish

>>5209405
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-release-eviternity-rc1/
eviternity got released

>>5210254
I think Planisphere does, at least in part.

>>5210339
There's also Planisphere 2, if you like a low framerate.

>>5210349
Play it on PRBoom+ and have no framerate issues.

Chances of UD episode 5 by Romero today?

>>5210350
What would we do without PRBoom+ to play maps like those without running like arse?

I'm liking the introduction of an award specifically for TCs that are so far removed from doom they're unrecognizable, since there's so many good projects that have been passed over for awards due to not being doomy enough.

>>5209405
Doom themed Quake speedmap pack is out

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61660

GUYS
>https://www.romerogames.ie/sigil/

>>5210403
Well, I'm a bit disappointed. Just a bit.

>>5210390
>that badly aligned Wrcka1x

>>5210403
>An XL-sized SIGIL T-shirt.

https://www.romerogames.ie/sigil/
Looks interesting

happy birthday doom you're the best game ever made I don't care what quakefags or bloodfags or what anybody else says

>>5209574
Really good stuff man lol

>>5210403
>>5210417
>the episode 5 anons were right
Huh, neat

>>5210403
so it is E5, wow

>>5210403
>megawad
>9 single player maps
>doom 1 instead of doom 2 so only half the enemies and no ssg
yikes.

>/v/ is deleting or ignoring all of the doom's threads
>meanwhile overwatch threads and fallout76 bashing are on top
>Somehow both are related
thank the emperor that the jannies blocked the /v/irgins to come out here and shitpost

also PSA: the e1m1 flac SC-55 soundtrack from Duke4 archive has a few extra secs of soundtrack that needs to be cut to work on CD and other ports.

>>5210438
>yikes

found the /v/irgin zoomer

>>5210390
How did this speedmap thing even take off? Who prefers speedmaps to proper map releases anyway?

>>5210403
>A pewter statue of John Romero’s head on a spike.
lol i kind of want this

Happy 25th anniversary folks, I was a bit too lazy to do something cool in time but I just wanted to say you all are wonderful faggots in your own little ways
thanks for not yelling at me too hard when I showed you my shit, still a good reality dose is always welcome

Congrats to Kegan, also Eric you better show some more BURL TUMD or we riot

>>5210438
It's techincally 18 levels (9 sp and 9 mp) so it kinda fits the definition.

>>5210439
yes the romero thread is a show atm

>>5210403
>The fan boxes feature music by metal guitar legend Buckethead
holy shit nice

>>5210438
No-no, on point of sticking with vanilla Doom1 in particular, Romero does everything right. He is the king of the hill there, and he can safely ignore everything that happened over at Doom2 userlevel scene as he should. Doom1 had a single year of active modding for it anyway (before getting superseded with Doom2), and after that, maps for Doom1 were mostly vanilla throwbacks.
From that standpoint his decision makes perfect sense.

retard here. what are recommended source ports for BSD systems? I'm mostly going for vanilla play.

>>5209996
God bless you doom_txt twitter guy who posted this.
>>5210403
Now that's a badass looking box.

>>5209492
absolutely comfy

>>5210403
gotta admit i kind want that box

TRAILER IS OUT
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VibM9vCguc

>>5210403
>Note: The free megawad does not ship with Buckethead’s music
I hope this only means you don't get a digital version of his music, but the levels will have his music playing.

>>5210468
i wonder if the free wad will have midis inspired by the music or just use E1 music like E4 did
that reminds me, any good attempt at a music pack for E4?

>>5210467
Did I recognize a section of E1M4b?

Romero is live now

Romero is Online

>>5210390
>Unreal cliff texture clearly in screenshot
Woops

>>5210497
Who gives a shit, it looks good.

>>5210496
based

>>5210456
I get the feeling that this is also to give himself a way to do another wad like this but for Doom2 if it turns out to be successful.

>>5210430
fuckin told u man
>>5210438
yikesfags can go dick themselves. worst meme and worst opinions

>>5209470
ut2004 has physics and demos doesn't record it, they are re calculated every time the demo is replayed
well, that's because physics objects doesn't interact with players in meaningful ways

Si666il

doob has 25 years on he's neck? dang i guess i better done the wad on my self. :)

Shelf.

>>5209535
make vr fun

>>5210004
Thanks.

Sorry for my ignorance, but i read this thing on Sigil's video description
>The free megawad will be released in mid- February 2019 and requires players own the original 1993 registered version of DOOM® in order to play.
Does this mean that you can't play it with The Ultimate DOOM ?

>>5209642
t. caco

>>5210539
ha. a bit funny, but im sure he meant ultimate doom. doom 1993 doesnt have an ep 4
would work with freedoom anyway

>>5209642
pain elemental is better

>>5210539
Should work fine with that.

Course that means it'll probably run to some degree of playability with the original Chex Quest too.

>>5209642

>>5210539
Funny as you post this. My OCD had me searching for the original registered version of Doom just yesterday and I managed to find it. Every other version of DOOM.WAD out there is The Ultimate Doom, so just in case it requires the original Doom Registered WAD, I have it to redistribute just in case this requires that exact IWAD.

>>5210542
>>5210548
Thank you very much!
>>5210557
Thank you too, especially for the elucidation. If what you said at last will end to be the actual case, then the gesture will be very appreciated.

>>5210495
>>5210496
Link?

Lads
>https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1072144618404364289
>https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en

>>5210576
>romero announces a fifth episode for ultimate doom
>bethesda announces this

>>5210576
the new games really bother me, everything about them is off
>join the slayers club
no thanks

>>5210589
frankly the concept is nice, now if someone could sprite it.

>>5210576
Video gives enough of a shit to acknowledge Doom 3, but not Doom 64.
Lame.

>>5210595
Shit taste.

>>5210576
celebrate the legacy of doom by buying our perpetually closed-source game, exclusively on the bethesda launcher

>>5210595
ok

>>5210597
It's not really my thing, but it's alright. What isn't alright is that this is the only thing announced for the 25th anniversary. A skin.

>>5210495
>>5210496
Where though?
Even his twitter says this but he forgot to give a link. It's not on his YouTube.

>>5210603
am I on /v/eddit?

>>5210608
haha.

>>5210605
it's not the only closed source game released.
>bethesda launcher
where are you getting this from?

>>5210608
>>5210570
twitch /theromero

>>5210605
>exclusively on the bethesda launcher
I completely forgot it's going to be stuck on that piece of shit.

>>5210602
even if id wanted, it is still in copyright hell thanks to Warner and Midway/Netherrealm.
and both would ask for a fuckload of money if they ever find the rights.

so its Dead as Hexen and Heretic.

>>5210467
looks neat and sounds fucking amazing

>>5210609
both your posts sure make it seem like it.

>>5210608
Found it:
https://www.twitch.tv/theromero

>>5210467

>>5210595
>>>/v/
and stay the with the autistic yikes and cuck jokes

>>5210576
I know everyone's(aka people here) are mixed on 2016 but I'm interested to see what they plan on doing later in the year and if it'll be anything like a WAD for 1/2

>>5210629
we lie Doom 2016, its only one or 2 assholes from /v/ who pops up here to hate the game and start shitsposting about romero's personal life, calling the game the baby's 1st fps and shit.

thankfully the janies ehre at /vr/ has zero patience towards /v/eddit, mainly after the change.

>>5210627
what a nigger, typical brutal doom average user

>>5210629
I expect they'll contact the creators of MetaDoom/D4D and tie them in somehow

So what are the odds of SIGIL being good for people that are immersed in the WAD lifestyle? I figure people have pretty much perfected this over the past 25 years, I somehow doubt Romero can come back and make a megawad that surpasses fan creations at this point.

Fans probably know the games better than he does.

>>5210627
What exactly prevents you from playing the new episode with brutal doom though?

>>5210403
Call me a bugman but I put in a pre-order for the basic box.
Holy fuck I'm pumped.

>>5210467
Looks a bit like E4 but cranked up higher. I'm very interested, and I hope the maps will be a good challenge.

>>5209642
Yes.

>>5210629
I'd like to see them give hand at recreating Doom I/II maps in the new engine.

>>5210637
my god, you sound like an actual child. chill out for a bit. it's just writing on the internet.

>>5210646
Visually? Because there were a bunch of maps from both games in 2016. They really didn't play well with the new mechanics.

https://slayersclub.bethesda.net/en
>exclusive Zombie DOOM Slayer skin for DOOM Eternal
Zombie doomguy? Intresting.

>>5210637
>we
Stop...
>like DOOM 2016
Debatable, but that's a subjective matter and i will respect that.
>/v/eddit
Funny when you're the first one reddit spacing.

>>5210650
Oh damn.

>>5210627
>brutal doom fags
>bruh
Nigger confirmed

Top3 mappers of all time:
1. Romero
2. Allen Blum
3. The Castle (NRFTL)

>>5210651
>reddit spacing
people still bitch about this?

>>5210576
at least they acknowledged mods
but with bethesda being bethesda and zenimax being zenimax I dont have much hopes for them not fucking up whatever support the nu-Id guys have planned for Eternal

>>5210658
NRFTL is severely underrated.

>>5210646
Anon, its /v/-nagers that we are talking about. Mainly now after the change, and the degenerates there decided to crossboard all over 4chan.


>>5210659
ignore it

>>5210403
Since Adrian is working on Blackroom if it's still happening I was hoping E5 would have some new enemies, textures and weapons. But this is still pretty good. The levels look too big for vanilla.

>>5210659
I don't bitch about it, no. I thought it was clear, but if i see someone calling another user "reddit" and he's the first being, well, a redditor... That makes me chuckle.

Can we neck this nigger?
>>>>/v/442414670

>>5210649
in all honesty, something I did like about them was how hardy fighting regular enemies could become, in stark contrast to the single-shotgun-pop-and-done mechanic from the original games. fighting pinkies in close quarters was suddenly a war of attrition, imps would spring at you and slash you while former humans got some pretty clear shots on you. if anything I take them as testament that combat in Doom 4 can be more than just arenas and open ended combat spaces, they just need to exert their map design muscle some more, because the mechanics are there. they just need to hone up player speed and friction, and maybe change some gun stats and nerf some monsters.

>>5210679
He's not wrong.

>>5210679
>Caring what some shit on /v/ thinks

>>5210687
>t. the posted

>>5210467
>you need to own original 1993 Doom copy to play Sigil
G-guys, I think I've lost my floppies ages ago, what am I going to do? I really want to play it!

What's the best American McGee map, /vr/?

>>5210692
What notable thing has Romero done in the past two decades? The guy makes good maps, so I'm still excited to play Sigil.
>>5210693
Romero is playing it with Ultimate Doom. The levels use the E5 prefix.

>>5210627

>>5210662
And Castle's solo map, Redemption of the Slain even more so!

reeee why do you have always run off mr romero

>>5210468
The free version doesn't get any music.
Also the box version has an original track by Buckethead (the trailer's) apparently named "Romero one man many weapons"

>>5210438
>megawad
>9 single player maps
An episode, so yes. Count also the deathmatch maps.

>doom 1 instead of doom 2 so only half the enemies and no ssg
Using the full roster of the first game, there's actually quite a lot you can do, you should check out Double Impact, as well as Doom The Way Id Did : Lost Episodes.
Also you can get by without the super shotgun, it'll teach you to appreciate the regular shotgun more.

>>5210643
Nothing, except for a taste for better gameplay mods.

Doom 1 is better than Doom 2.

>>5210696
>>5210693
Wonder if whatever documentation included in this will mention emulators for modern systems or play it legit and pretend they dont exist, like Nintendo would do.

>>5210715
Like source ports? He's playing on stream with GZDoom. He also mentioned that you will need some sort of limit-removing port because there are "a lot of linedefs".

>>5210605
>perpetually closed-source game
Blame software patent laws for that, releasing any source code these days is extremely risky legally, because some patent troll will sue your dick off.

>exclusively on the bethesda launcher
Where have you heard this?

>>5210627
Admittedly i felt the trailer looked a bit slow too, but then again I've been playing demonsteele all day.

>if the box does well, I will absolutely want to do more episodes
>and there'll be more buckethead music

>>5210724
>and for people who don't buy boxes, they'll get free episodes

Someone's gonna rip the music in lossless format, right? $166 is pretty steep for a collectible.

>>5210724
I have no money
fUCK

>>5210729
Ask if a family member is willing to put in an order for you as a Christmas present.

>>5210403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VibM9vCguc
Looks pretty good to be quite desu. Hope there's more to it than what's shown here, would love some E1-style tech bases, but this looks absolutely dope so far.

>>5210724
I actually didnt know about this buckethead guy before today

but DAMN this is some good shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaHpM6GEwIg

>>5210720
and you can't change the laws because the main lobbysts for this shit are the media industry

>>5210438
I for one, wouldn't mind seeing levels made where the designer is free from the constraints of the SSG, many mapper lament you have to include it or players get annoyed, but sometimes you want gameplay structured around the player not having it.

What we should be concerned about is when Romero was asked "so we can only put in 1 shirt...what do you think the average size is gonna be?" he picked XL

Can the CD soundtrack even play with SIGIL or do you have to play it seperately?

>>5210629
Bethesda got MachineGames to do that Quake episode for its 20th, was really hoping they could get id themselves to do a Doom episode. Maybe we'll get one for Doom II next year.

>>5210735
Buckethead also did the music for Ghosts Of Mars, a movie which ticks a lot of the boxes for what a movie about Doom should be like:
>evil possessing spirits
>VIOLENT
>pumping rock soundtrack
>guns
>brutalist concrete buildings
>lots of killing

>>5210642
In 2014 he admitted to this when asked about making a new Doom level. But his recent ones were good so keep the faith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKjbPaFMCOE

>>5209405
NoClip Half life documentary is OUT
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQLEW1c-69c

>>5210576
Welp. No Slayersclub for me then

>rock moose is back
my god, why the absolute fuck

For the 100 min map, is it cheating to so some aesthetic work after the 100 minute mark?

>>5210748
>3 lower than 64
Trash opinion

>>5210627
This isn't even annoying so much as so stupid I want to climb through the screen like the girl from the ring and punch them in the head.

>>5210757
Probably, but who's gonna know?

>>5210642
Some people probably are. Chances are, you are not one of those people.

>>5210760
I would.

Quake 25th when

>>5210765
That was in 1996, so a couple of years.

>>5210642
The last level he released was pretty great.
People wanted something that felt like it wouldn't have been out of place coming from that same time period (or a year or two later) and that is exactly what they got.

>>5210753
>bring back design language to former glory
>boast about reimagining classics and taking from older designs
>it actually looks fantastic

>but they gotta keep the fucking awful WoW-type volcano demon because obviously it screams out DOOM in capital letters!!

>>5210750
>Mario Casali's locker in HL

>yfw you have played halfway through Sigil, the most amazing Doom-experience in your life, but then you hear this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuashnsNe74

>>5210679
He's not wrong, there's no doubt that Romero is riding the Doom train for whatever little relevance he can still get and Sigil shows that, hard. That said, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy his new levels.

>>5210576
So... Nothing new?

>romero keeps dying
>plays slow as hell
>keeps checking walls for secrets as if he wasn't the map maker
Did he actually make these maps?

>>5210750
>Santa Monica Studios did REQUIEM
SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?

i remember seeing some magazines back then shilling about this game

>>5210786
Or maybe he's happy there's still a community for his game 20+ years in the future and he just wants to participate.

I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of the music.

>>5210576
>have to claim it through their stupid fucking launcher
Welp, thanks for trying to capitalize on your own shit Bethesda, but that means i'm not buying your game until it comes to Steam.

>>5210793
That's not mutually exclusive though, of course he's happy that the community is still up, he wouldn't be able to ride the train of relevance otherwise.

Is linear level design inherently bad?

>implications of mechas and icon of sin in eternal
>bfg10k
eternal ends with doomguy becoming a giant

>>5210809
It depends. Linear can work so long as the enemies, combat and overall design don't feel boring and repetitive. A lot of classic Doom maps, even official ones, are fairly linear, and people complain about those less than the more wide-open ones of Doom 2.

If it's literally just straight hallways and basic (or spongy) encounters with no real thought put into them, then it's gonna be shit.

>>5210786
>He's not wrong, there's no doubt that Romero is riding the Doom train for whatever little relevance he can still get

He helped *build* the train.

I'd love for any of the old guys to come back, imagine if Adrian came back and made a texture pack or even some monsters.

Or Tom Hall came back and uh...well.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBx0UbmlEOc

>>5210821
>Or Tom Hall came back and uh...well.....
Have you already completed ALL of his Rise of the Triad maps?

What's the point of writing music FOR a game and then not including it IN the game?

>>5210825
Lol, I'm just joking Tom.
Hall's maps from doom are actually my favourite because they're so off-the-wall in their design.

They have that unique property of being basically as big as he could make a level back then without it slowing the computer to a crawl and it has that pseudo "it's an actual place" feeling to them. But I will recognize he had to be reined in by the other guys and it was also probably one of the best design decisions to ignore his idea of having the levels be real places.

But seriously Tom implying Doomguy is related to BJ was lame.

>>5210839
>But seriously Tom implying Doomguy is related to BJ was lame.
I thought he implied a relation to keen.

>>5210616
i thought they still owned d64
they even referenced it on social media and a switch port trailer

>>5210842
That's lame too.

>>5210639
Add in the authors of Samsara and D4T too.

>>5210809
No, both linear and non-linear level design can be made well, conversely, both can be made very badly.

>>5210845
they own by name, but not by development, therefore they cant distribute it, its the same shit as hexen and heretic, though its RAVEN who developed it and owns the IP, and id can only sell it, not work on it.

>>5210809
fuck no

yahtzee said it best a while back (when he was actually good) and said so many devs are scared of linear stuff - but sometimes you want something linear like a theme park ride that's been calibrated to a specific experience

also i'll always prefer honest linear to fake linear (lots of doors but only two work and they lead to the same spot) and shit like that

>>5210403
Shouldn't he be working on Blackedroom?

Romero said something in the stream about showing off old DOOM stuff most people haven't seen. Any guesses?

>>5210821
To add.
Or John Carmack came back and told Gez why he's being unfair to people and Gez would actually listen because Carmack's autism power level is way higher.

>>5210857
>zenimax can steal the prey ip, cancel its sequel and turn it into a new ip but won't bother to actually get the rights to a game for a series they bought

>>5210721
This, but I thought he was playing with run off.

>>5209492
This looks fucking amazing.
arcane dimensions is the true quake 5

>>5210869
>again with this bullshit made by human head
do human head devs tells everyone that they stole PREY from 3drealms in the 1st place?

>>5210857
>>5210869
I remember wondering what the hell happened to Raven software, they got abducted by Activision and now work in their COD slave pits.

>>5209551
That's where you're wrong.

>>5210879
>>5210864

I don't come in here often and post even less but this 25th anniversary has got me thinking:

Doom, it's a bit good isn't it?

>>5210793
I'm more inclined to believe this. It's not like he's hurting for money or anything. Hes probably just happy he can spend his middle age fucking around with a community that never forgot his achievements.

>>5210742
Incorrect. J.F. Gustafsson made DOPA alone. The MachineGames twitter just pimped it.

>>5210750
>nearly two hours

Geez lousid

>>5210757
Yeah. I would forgive fixing gamebreaking bugs (getting trapped in secret closets, w1 teleporters, etc), but that's about it.

>Guncaster got an award

It's not bad but it's not award worthy

>>5210904
exactly

it is so cynical and cunty to think that he's purely in it for attention like he's some cold blooded corporate insect who can only communicate via stock reports

>>5210864
It's not like Romero is white anyways

>>5210913
It's strange that it got picked and LA Tailor Girl got nothing, not even a mention.

>>5210403
Wow, wasn't expecting it to actually be a 5th episode for Doom. Anyways, sounds cool. I really like that HALF of it is deathmatch levels. Now that's oldschool. Maybe it'll get more people into DM.

>>5210926
they didnt have a cacodemon with a schoolgirl outfit for it

http://thathomestar.tumblr.com/post/175874069702/i-could-be-wrong-but-going-to-the-us-copyright
Maybe id does own Doom 64 but not the music.
>>5210772
I hope that art so far isn't the final cover or representative of the final game, where they're just reusing an old model and Cybie gets a redesign because his 2016 was one of the worst ones yet.

>>5210748
>Having Doom 3 that high up in the list
>Doom 4 better than Doom 2
And he was playing the series since release?

>>5210945
>>Doom 4 better than Doom 2
Nothing wrong with that. /doom/ tears Doom 2 a new asshole each chance it gets.

>>5210945
His taste is just kinda floppy.

>>5210906
been watching until now, it touches in a Lot of points and some unknown stuff.
>Doritopope still owns all of the copies from HL alphas and betas.
>Randy Dickford left valve because they started to become more reclusive after the works on opposite force and such.
>Valve kinda shat on CS updates development, which led to "you know what" and source
>It touches well on CS and how it became one of the 1st streamed E-sports, since they spoke with the creator of Gotfrag community.
>it spoke about the Casalli's and the other doom and quake modders from the time helping on HL's dev
>it visits the inspiring muse for black mesa's lab location which is Sedona, Arizona

>>5210589
>>5210576
People are missing the most important part
>Zombie Doom Slayer available in campaign

Confirms campaign skins + the original teaser
CLASSIC DOOMGUY CONFIRMED

>>5210589
my issue with this is that his skin is green, since doom has its own version of zombies, with green hair and such

>>5210724
>55 euros for the standard box to finland
Kinda want to but at the same time don't. Gimme a poster of the artwork in a reasonable price and I'll support your mobile game development, Romero.

Nashgore with universal gibs can get a bit extreme, this room was raining blood for at least a minute.

Are the original levels worth checking out?

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-release-eviternity-rc1/

>>5210970
Yes.

For this day, you should play DOOM.WAD and nothing else, imho.

>>5210982
Cool.
Can I mod it to put back in the original graphics?

>>5210984
Can I at least play the Win95 port?
https://youtu.be/4Fyj2J_5MSI

>>5210991
Only if you're actually using Windows 95/98.
Otherwise, fuck no.

>>5210986
Somebody turned the FreeDoom and FreeDoom 2 levels into standalone wads for the originals some time back.

They'll be in the news archive.

>>5210998
Found it:
https://mega.nz/#F!j0cgkJKT!QXo16jxgK1iQf-92Sx1gdA

>>5210984
I even DLed CrispyDoom to use instead of GZDoom

>>5210995
does virtualbox count?

>>5211006
I'll allow it.

>>5210926
hey Term I have a GREAT idea
the LEWDAWARD
we give it to HDoom but next year it goes to LTG for sure

the award itself is some sort of cacogirl
or maybe just a caco with a pretty bow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKjbPaFMCOE
>GGGManLives hates Plutonia
It all makes sense now. The absolute pleb.

>>5211012
still fucked up that brutal doom overshadows other mods
it's like if irate gamer was prefered over avgn

>>5211009
I'd buy that shirt.

>>5209405
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94139-release-psxdoom-psxfinaldoom-doom64-on-gzdoom-gec-master-edition-dec-10-2018/

>"oh, you liked Sigil? Yeah, I'm glad you like it, just that after everybody pirated it instead of having a legitimate registered shareware copy I couldn't afford to live at home, so now I'm working here.....pays the bills, y'know? Anyway that'll be 20.98 plus tip"

>pillow releases a new trailer with a more overpowered, more muscular oily Cygnis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRsSZc02C88

pillow you might be a closeted furry but this looks so damn fun

>>5211027
I almost created myself when I read about the buckethead soundtrack. Then I saw $166 bucks and moped the fuck out of that

>>5210913
how is it not?

>>5211034
>designer of Guncaster might be a secret furry, guyse!
Gee, you think?

>>5211009

Finally, an award that can fit my tastes.

>>5211027
he's actually really smart with this stuff, even if we grab the soundtrack we can't just pirate the physical goodies
>>5211036
there's a cheaper package, i guess

At least we get some cool fanart.

Why didn't anyone mentioned this here?
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-100-memorable-maps/

>>5211034
>>5211040
can a man do an anthropomorphic character without being cataloged as a furry?
fucking furries, ruin everything

>>5211049
torrent when

Is the vaccinated version of NeoDoom exclusive to the WAD Compendium?

>>5211052
it's just THIS community labeling him a furry because they don't want history repeating

furry shit isn't a bad thing
especially killing them is a super buff human

>>5211052
It's a muscular, overpowered bad boy anthro dragon with a cocky attitude and an open vest in a mod that has a bit of a lolrandumb vibe to it. There are anthro-characters that aren't furry, but Cygnis gives like 75% on my furry-detector. Not that I am complaining but just laying out the facts. It's up to each individual themselves if they want to RREEE about it or not. (they probably shouldn't)

>>5210801
It won't come to steam
You're an idiot if you think otherwise

>>5210867
>Any guesses
Previously unreleased doom sprites and textures would be dope.

>>5211063
>it's just THIS community labeling him a furry because they don't want history repeating

remind me again of the history because thats not ringing any bells
I fo recall some dude having a little slip with some MLP fanart on his favorites

>>5211034
>Cygnis grows in size
>gibs enemies by just flexing around them
PillowBlaster, don't go down that route, please.

>>5211072
he's already shown them.

>>5211078
well if the last russian overkill video is any indication...

>>5211034
>the game freezes for a moment at 29 seconds as giga-cyg punches the mancubus

>>5211079
>huaaaaghrghgahgrhgh

>>5211081
>check his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSGsX7JcMt8

>MFW I have to to work on New Year's week
>MFW I won't get paid until literally next year
Goddamit Romero, you and your timing!

>>5211081
What's going on with the Caco in this pic?

>>5211095
>oWo whats this

>>5210692
He's probably not wrong.

>>5211098
Wait wat? Doom Girl is flashing her tits? WTF?

>>5211104
god i miss fran's art

>>5211075
it's either thekrautfagthatshallnotbenamed's fault or something else

>>5211093
>Saying 'MFW'
>Not actually posting image of YFW
>MFW

>>5211034
I'm really conflicted about who is the bad guy here

>>5211079
Why do I imagine him having a Skeletor voice?

>>5211110
based, teach them niggers

>>5211108
>tfw hated tumblr for all it stood for but liked the art that came out of it

>>5209897
I bought the physical version for $66 because I'm dumb

>>5211068
you sure you're posting to the right person, buddy

>>5210589
wait, this imply that we are going to have multiple skins for the slayer in the game?

>>5210627
I've seen people replying to this guy and called him out for that bullshit. Good.

But still why they're so obsessed with this mod like it's the second coming of Christ? There are people who said that is better than Eternal.
You know? That game which we've seen little footage and it's not even close to complete?


I don't understand these people.

>>5211108

It's a shame the guy seems to be suffering from severe depression and quit art for the time being. Wish him the best.

>>5211012
I wonder how long you have to listen to Avenged Sevenfold to enjoy Mick Gordon's music.

>Doom is Eternal

Damn right it is,I think Doom will outlive a world war.
And when most animals,humans will cease to exist ,aliens will come to earth they will see Doom on someone's computer(maybe one of us) and they will still make Doom wads.

>>5211193
>But still why they're so obsessed with this mod like it's the second coming of Christ?
These kind of gamers hate things like atmosphere and tension, just want dun-na-nun-na-nun boom boom blap le rip and tear. Brutal Doom sweeps away the former and over-emphasizes the latter.

>>5211202
what does this even mean? They sound completely different.

>>5211207
>the world ends
>but someone starts taking photos of the post-apocalypse and using them for Doom textures

>>5211202
excuse me?

>>5211207
stop watching so many cartoons, they're making you say embarrassing things like this.

>>5211217
It's a joke,anon. You must be really fun at parties.

>>5211193
I'm this guy >>5210759

I've played Brutal probably more than any other gameplay mod, next one behind it is Samsara.
BD deserves a good long analysis as to why it's so successful but the biggest thing with it is feedback, everything generates different feedback. Eg: every gun can shoot off a different part and every weapon kills in a different way and shit is always going on.

As somebody with ADHD brutal is like crack to an addict. However I also have an IQ above 85 (maybe not a lot, but enough) and so can see that Doom is best enjoyed with different things and sometimes vanilla, gotta give the receptors a rest you know.

Really though I think what every single i-only-play-brutal-doom person has in common is they started with it, they didn't play Doom back in the 90's they played it with brutal and that's that. It *is* their vanilla and everything is seen through that lens.

>>5209478
>>5209473
are you fucking kidding? our community is amazing. vibrant and active, incredibly helpful, not toxic at all, pumping out new project after project after project. it's almost entirely nonpolitical and everyone gets along just fine because of that. the worst i can say about the doom community is sometimes people don't credit resources, but that's literally fucking it. whenever some weird-ass cult leader has a meltdown or tries to start some sort of civil war drama, the community and its moderators are sensible enough that these weirdos are cast out immediately.

this community is fantastic for the most part, this thread especially is probably the best place to go to talk about doom.

>>5211232
It's not perfect, and the worst members of this community are really bad. Thankfully the cool outshines the awful. Mostly.