/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5207682
st. Take for instance The Orcarina of Time, one of the dullest entries in a franchise that was dead in the water as soon as it moved to 3D. Seriously each episode following the boy "adventurer" and his pals from Hyrule as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the cartoonish imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of repetitive puzzles, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Nintendo vetoed the idea of a third party producing the games; Miyanoto made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody- just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for their annual "party games" The Zelda series might be anti-Sony (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Spyro series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement.

>a-at least the platforming elements were good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the exploration was nonexistent. As I played, I noticed that every time Link went to "explore" a largely empty world, Nintendo shoehorned in some repetitive puzzles to pad out the game. I began marking on the back of a Nintendo Power magazine every time I came to the same rehashed box pushing/lever pulling puzzles. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Nintendo's team is so governed by cliches and milking tired franchises ad nauseum that they have no other style of development. Later I watched a lavish, loving Let's Play of The Ocarina of Time by some YouTube manchild. He said something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Ocarina of Time at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to owning a Nintendo Switch." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play The Ocarina of Time you are, in fact, trained to play the same dull Nintendo rehashes decade after decade.

>>5207682
i've seen this picture three times already in the span of 5 minutes.

>>5207682
And thank god for that.

I need to play a good game after suffering through Link to the Past. That uninspired, watered down sequel to the nes classic. Completely lacking any inspiration or original ideas. With a pink haired faggot as the MC, and the most dull and repetitive level design of any game EVER. No interesting enemies, ugly and generic bosses, and a story so bad, it would make a four year old feel insulted.

Not to mention, being shat out by nintendo simply to appease fanboys, who complained about Zelda 2, just because it was "diffwen't"
Zelda 2 was very differen't from the first game, Unlike LttP. Which borrows so much from the original that it might as well be a remaster.

>>5207698
>>5207774
jfc what is it with the trolls around here lately? Nobody could believe these are actual posts. There's this, the "like rats in a skinner box" guy, sm64 guy, the "you're playing children's toys" guy.

>>5208764
Feel free to counter any of the points I raised about OoT.

1998 was a year of Blockbuster games - there were a dozen superior releases to play from that year alone over the box pushing simulator.

>>5207682
The fishing pond is the best part of the game. I was catching loaches when it was still a myth to catch 'em, ya'sir.

>>5208764
They're copy pastas you insufferable newfag.

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>>5208927
Biggoron's Sword and or the hammer BTF Shadow Link right out.

>>5208927
>>5208949
The real solution is not to use Z-targeting. If you target Dark Link he'll counter your every move. If you don't, you can fight him properly. Try it sometime.

>>5207682
t

I still like the original the best

>>5209204
Thanks, not sure if I ever knew that one. I'm replaying the game on the Wii VC. (I'm just starting at the Deku Tree) Heh, "VC"That name always makes me think my ROMs are vaguely related to the Vietnam War.

>>5209232
Why? The graphics are great for its time, I'll give ya and it's a classic, blah It's fun, but is there really all that much to it? For some reason my imagination doesn't engage much when playing that one.

>>5207682
>perfect games don't exis-

>>5209264
not him, but it's just got a great, thorough and consistent design with simple mechanics just deep enough to provide a lot of great dungeon content. It's mechanically challenging and mentally engaging to make your way through a dungeon maze.

the main drawbacks that I see are:

1. Bosses are OK but a bit underwhelming on the whole, probably due to limited mechanics
2. A few more enemy types might have been nice, although the existing variety is great.
3. Relatively small number of usable items and equipment upgrades.

And I guess 4. the mechanics are fairly limited compared to late games. But not nearly as much as people like to claim, and what's there is very well balanced, down to details like the bow&arrow not having a delay and the boomerang as the only weapon that can shoot diagonally.

>>5207682
you can't skip dialogue

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>>5210578
Yes, you can skip some dialogue. I forgot what scenes, but you can definitely skip dialogue a few times at least.

>>5208927
I played through OoT last year for the first time in well over a decade and the "Water Temple is s0 hard xD" meme is really dumb, BUT....................I didn't explore right until the end of that room and as such did not get the silver key for so god damned long......

>>5207682
Majora's Mask would have been better if they didn't replace the Adult Mask with the Fierce Deity Mask

>>5211924
Wait, what? Adult Mask?

>>5207698
Well said. The flaws of this game have been listed many many times, no game is perfect, but this game's flaws are striking especially considering the collective acceptance of it as an all time great game. I've seen people painstakingly point out why this game is mess time after time and there is never ever any sort of realistic rebuttal other than "it feels epic" or some nonsense like this. At this point people have simply resorted to spamming this game that one FFVIII spammer and hoping that will change minds.

>>5211949
Judging from prerelease screenshots of Zelda Gaiden, it appears that you would originally obtain a mask that transformed you into OoT Adult Link instead of receiving the Fierce Deity Mask. Backing this up is the fact that FD Link appears to be a 1:1 port of Adult Link with a few things changed or nullified to be unusuable.
That image above is from a restoration hack. It makes the FD Mask usable outside of boss areas and adds the missing display lists for Adult Link over FD Link so you can literally play as OoT Adult Link in Majora's Mask.

>>5212026
I think the biggest blow against it is that it is an object step BACK from 2D Zelda

>>5207698
Give this man a round of applause.

>>5212026
Well said? Did you even read what he said? His post was joke copypasta from a modified Harry Potter review you utter retard.

>>5209264
Not him either but i play one every few years and holy fuck it still holds up to modern gaming. It is surprising how good it is. It's really good and timeless

>>5207682
how is oot perfect lol

>>5212352
Yet no one can ever refute its core message.

The retard is YOU

>>5212490
Please define the core message and I will refute it.
And if you can't, then my job is already done

>>5212040
Is there any idea what that mask would have been used for?

>>5207698
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>>5212924
The game is a dull experience, weaker than the 2D offerings.

The "puzzles" are the same boring box pushing and lever pulling gimmick ad nauseum. Enemy encounters are dull and you can survive pretty much anything by holding up your shield. The over world is empty killing all sense of exploration - and there are no significant rewards for exploring besides worthless rupees (you can find most expendbles in the grass) killing exploration further and making shop keepers irrelevant. The early 3D is also piss ugly compared to the 2D sprites and the mechanics are clunkier.

It all makes for a DULL experience.

>>5213549
>Enemy encounters are dull
Subjective.
>>5213549
>The over world is empty
Untrue.
>>5213549
>and there are no significant rewards for exploring
Never got the Biggoron Sword from the giant Goron, huh? Yeah, it is a difficult quest, many can't do it. With a gold cartridge(not sure on the other versions) you can glitch the broken sword from the incompetent blacksmith take double its damage.

>>5207682
Not even the best zelda. MM and Lttp/Lbw are better.

>>5212040
You don't need adult link in MM you can have all itens as a child plus MM have better swords than Oot

Zelda 64 is a great game, but nothing that runs at sub 20 framerates can be described as "perfect" with a straight face.

>>5213735
>but nothing that runs at sub 20 framerates can be described as "perfect" with a straight face.
*facepalm*
It's the gameplay, the story, the controls, and the soundtrack, not the framerate. Asteroids is a classic and made more money than you or I will ever see, but its framerate is shit compared to most game.

>>5213748
Framerate directly affects gameplay. Combat is jerky and slow.

>>5213594
Ok, so you don't think deflecting 100% of damage every time with your shield up is dull? That's bad mechanics my dude.

>>5213735
The game's called Zelda Ocarina of Time, you're not off to a great start if you're trying to act like you have a clue. The game ran at 30 fps though it had drops from time to time.

Your statement is like saying that any movie that runs at 24 fps can't be said to be "perfect" with a straight face, or no game that runs with a resolution of 320x240 can be considered perfect.

>>5213829
>Ok, so you don't think deflecting 100% of damage every time with your shield up is dull?
You're just too good, my dude.

>>5213878
>The game ran at 30 fps though it had drops from time to time.

Don't be acting like I don't own this game and am not very familiar with how it actually runs.

24 fps is standard for movies. 18 fps is not standard for video games, 60 is, with 30 being a compromise. Below 30 is never, and has never, been seen as ok.

>>5213878
>Your statement is like saying that any movie that runs at 24 fps can't be said to be "perfect" with a straight face, or no game that runs with a resolution of 320x240 can be considered perfect.

That's called a false equivalency.

>>5213904
The title of the thread implies the OoT is the perfect game. This can't be true if combat is actually less dynamic than the previous generation.

>>5213908
>. This can't be true if combat is actually less dynamic than the previous generation.
OoT is far and above shitty Zelda III on SNES, which is just a pre-OoT done in the manner of the original game.

Zelda64 (not that guy, but it's a goodnickname for it) is the granddaddy of many games and genres. It's a fact that ought not to trouble anyone.

>>5213907
>Below 30 is never, and has never, been seen as ok.
You are dumb, the end.

>>5207698
based and redpilled

>>5207682
>memes

>>5213190
Some think it was a normal mask, simply a way to leave Clock Town by tricking the guards into thinking you're an adult, while others think it would have just straight-up turned you into Adult Link.
>>5213734
In the same way we don't need the Fierce Deity Mask once we've beaten the game and gotten all the masks, it would have just been something fun for people who sunk a lot of time into the game.

>>5213878
Okay but movies don't require you control the action in real time so the framerate is usually what looks best, whereas video games do and the more frames you have per second, the more inputs the game will pick up per second, which allows the game to control better on top of looking smoother

>>5213734
mechanically they could have made adult link deal twice as much damage with every weapon and extend the hookshot to be twice as long, it would satisfy the "op endgame item" thing and would also be usable outside of boss rooms