/vr/ - Retro Games

Me, kinda.

I did end up playing Omega Ruby and Sun very recently (this past year, both of them) but before that, I had only played Blue.

>>5205992
Played gen 1 initially, got 2 when that came out, stopped playing pokemon for a few years, then my friend convinced me to get Platinum. I eventually got X and Sun too. The games generally improve with each gen, it's just your own personal interests and nostalgia that keeps you from wanting to play newer Pokemon games. Gen 4 is the turning point in the series for when the mechanics really became great.

>>5206010
Or, maybe, the games got worse?

>>5205992
silver and gold were the best imo
had the most content without drastically changing the gameplay
locations and cities were really cosy to explore

Gen 2 master race.

>>5206059
I would agree with this if only the music had been as good as gen 1. Also it feels like there is a slight lag in the gen 2 games, everytime you select something, talk to someone, etc, it's much less snappy and responsive than gen 1

>>5205992
Gen 1 has nostalgia appeal only. Gen 2 was the peak. It's been downhill ever since.

>>5206059
Gen 2 definitely has the best post game. Even if its limited, visiting Kanto was kino.

>>5206047
>the games got worse?
lol

>>5206047
I considered that, but no, I believe the games are decidedly better now, at least as far as gen 4. If you enjoy Pokemon gameplay for what it is, you pretty much have to prefer the sequels, they're better in every single way

>>5206159
The monsters are hands down the worst they’ve ever been. Gen 3 had a sharp decline and it’s been downhill since.

>>5206159
they are better in terms of mechanics but so, so much worse in terms of design. Anyone who disagrees has shit taste : -)

>>5206069
>Gen 1 has nostalgia appeal only.
This gen one had so many bugs and poorly designed mechanics with extremely poor balancing. Gen 2 fixed most of the major issues gen 1 had. Gen 2 wasn't perfect either Kanto felt half baked but I'm betting they were at the absolute limit for cart space so I can't really fault them for that. Its inclusion was nice but overall it was just an overall improvement over gen 1.

>Gen 1
shit sux

>>5206186
>bugs
So? All games have bugs. None of them are game breaking
>balance
So? It’s fun.

>>5206175
>The monsters are hands down the worst they’ve ever been
>they are better in terms of mechanics but so, so much worse in terms of design
Every gen has good and bad. The difference is you weren't a kid when the later gens came out.

Even as far as Gen 6, you have this cool thing, a poison/dragon type based on a leafy seadragon

Whereas in gen 1 you had... an angry duck with a stick.... a generic clown that's for some reason called Mr. Mime.... whatever the fuck Jynx is. Hell, if Dragonite came out in gen 5, you'd think he looked stupid. Most of the pokemon in gen 1 were barely even usable because the game mechanics made it so that most pokemon didn't even have access to proper attacks of their type, or were ineffective with them because their stats weren't suited to the type they were, making them seem even more useless and lame.

>>5206271
>So? It’s fun.
It's only fun if you've never had to fight against another player who had any idea what they were doing. Fucking Tauros and Persian.

>>5206282
>an angry duck with a stick
Also a duck with headache. 2 ducks. 1 gen. WOOOOOW. I can feel the variety flowing through my veins!

>>5205992
Peak Pokémon is playing Red/Blue in concert with Stadium and Crystal with Stadium 2.

>>5205992
Me, though I haven't played Pokemon since like 2010 lol. Blue/Red were fucking great because of the original 151 and then Yellow came out and you could get all three starters without cheats and it had slightly better graphics.

Then Gold/Silver came out with a new generation of Pokemon which were just retarded and I haven't been into it since then.

>>5206549
>Espeon, Umbreon, Xatu, Houndoom, Skarmory, Kingdra, Steelix, Murkrow, Forretress, Donphan, Tyranitar, Crobat, Heracross
>just retarded

>Wigglytuff, Jynx, Mr. Mime, Magmar, Poliwrath, Farfetch'd, Hitmonchan, Chansey, Tangela
>fucking great

>>5206325
ducks are kino though

>>5206584
Don't forget gen 3 had some cool designs

Shroomish/breloom, camerupt, wailmer, aaron/lairion, wismur/ loudred/exploud(not great Pokemon, but cool design choice). Ralts/ kirlia/ Gardevoir, Metagross, Rayquaza. Too bad the 3rd gen is when designs went an namby pamby, fucking the male choice looks like a fag and beauty contests are fucking gay, but the battle domes were cool.

>>5206587
Go duck yourself back to /tv/, simp.

Gen 2 added too much good shit for me to go back to 1 I think. Breeding, shinies, held items, two regions, much better UI etc. Though I do have fond memories of RBY.

I really enjoyed RBY despite its faults, mostly just because it was the first game of its kind that I played. However I also like RBY player vs player battling more than later generations.
I didn't have as much fun playing Gold/Silver and didn't bother to buy the gba games. I doubt I'd have much fun playing RBY if I were to go through the games today, as the core gameplay isn't particularly engaging throughout the main game without even considering the stupid enemy movesets and enemy AI.

>>5206614
The remakes are alright for the upgrades, but lake the sinister charm of the originals. Lt. Surge, lavender town, power plant, fucking based boy Giovanni. I like the dark undertones of the originals, they portray a very bleek future after the A-bombs hit.

>>5206619
You ever done a nuzlocke? Breathes new life into the games.

>>5206626
I have, but it didn't make the game any more fun for me.

>>5206619
>However I also like RBY player vs player battling more than later generations
Why? Every team was made of almost the same pokemon and there was like 1 option for viable movesets for them (if even that, a lot of pokemon had no decent moves). The later gens brought so many options that, even if you wanted to battle with a rule in place like "only gen 1 pokemon allowed," the battle played in any gen after gen 1 would allow much more variability

>>5206629
Yeah gen 1 probably isn't the best for it actually, more interesting with later gens because of the greater variety with wild pokes.

>>5206624
That's true, although I do like Johto's rustic sorta charm. It would have been nice if they hadn't changed stuff like Lavender Town so much though.

Gen 1 and 2 are the only ones that matter.
Why? Stadium

>>5206642
I skipped over gen 2. I was too much of an edgy preteen when they came out. I would say dumb edgy shit to my friends like "you still play pokemon, fag. You should play resident evil three." But my mom wouldn't let me play RE games, I just watched my older brother play them.

I have been meaning to play them, i got a cheap cart of gold a while back, but I feel like crystal is the better version. I don't know though, what's your guys take?

>>5206632
Sounds like you highly value variety, but I don't think it's all that important. There's maybe 20 pokemon that are very viable choices for a team and this is plenty for the construction of different teams with different approaches to winning. If anything I prefer the limited selection of pokemon as the game becomes more about outplaying your opponent rather than memorizing a billion different gimmicks that appear once in a blue moon (not like later gens are super diverse or anything). I'm not a fan of stuff like hidden power erasing former hard counters and in general in later generations you're gambling with movesets and pokemon choices moreso than simply outplaying your opponent. Also I like how you slowly wear down your opponent's team in RBY rather than one-shotting stuff or going through super prolonged stall wars. The stat exp system helps with this balance. There's some randomness in the battle system but it's interesting to calculate the probabilities to maximize chance of victory and the better player will generally win over a longer series despite the randomness. Also despite all the hate it gets online I think the quirks of the RBY battle system are fun to utilize e.g. hyper beam not needing to recharge after a KO and delayed counters.
So if I played with "only gen 1 pokemon allowed" in a later gen I'd just be playing a dumbed down version of a battle system I already don't like. I'll stick to something I find fun.

>>5206671
Yeah Crystal is the best of the three. You could emulate it on PC or phone pretty easily to try it out.

>>5206671
Crystal has enough improvements that it's worth playing it over the other two.

More trainers
Prettier graphics (battle animations and some overworlds)
Better item placement in dungeons
A little more plot
Improved phone system
Battle Tower
Best girl
Other misc features (move tutor, seer, etc)

Beedrill is best Gen 1

The later games are too complex for me. There's not only grinding but now breeding, and dress up games and post game rushes and more shit to trade, and pedometers, and moods, evolution trees, an events, and gym leaders with moves that don't match their type...

and so on.
I liked the simple rpg style of genwahn.

>>5206678
Eh, I'm not much for emilating Gameboy games, it's the only console I still have a collection for. 99% of my collection just burned up in the paradise camp fire and I'm still sad as fuck about it. I dunno I just feel indifferent about collecting and emulating right now, but maybe I will give it a go. Sorry for the rant.

>>5206689
Damn, I didn't know there was that many changes, I just thought there were more pokemon and a combined plot.

>>5206673
>Sounds like you highly value variety
> If anything I prefer the limited selection of pokemon as the game becomes more about outplaying your opponent rather than memorizing a billion different gimmicks that appear once in a blue moon
We're talking about a strategy game here. More options, more variability = more ways to plan, more strategy. There's nothing about gen 1 that requires more skill or where anything would more rightly be called "outplaying your opponent" than the battles of later gens.

A lot of pokemon from gen 1, in gen 1, just plain suck. There's a handful of OP pokemon, particularly psychics, and then the rest are just kind of there as filler, with movesets that either contain 1 or 2 attacks (one of their type and one normal type default attack move) and some status moves, and often they can't even make effective use of their own attack type due to sloppy game design.
>So if I played with "only gen 1 pokemon allowed" in a later gen I'd just be playing a dumbed down version of a battle system I already don't like
How would it possibly be dumbed down? Putting a pokemon on your team in gen 1 is as simple as picking one of the handful of pokemon that don't outright suck, leveling them up, and giving them the only 2 useful moves they have and whatever other filler moves it learns along the way.
By gen 4, you not only decide the pokemon from a much wider list of options, but the options for that specific pokemon now allow you to have some control over their stats so you can more personally craft their role on your team, unique pokemon Abilities allow extra strategies in-battle, much larger movesets mean most pokemon have at least decent options for what they can do in battle, and the splitting of physical/special attacks by move rather than by type mean that a fire, water, electric, etc pokemon can be a physical or a special attacker and won't necessarily get fucked over by their stat distribution like they did in gen 1

>>5206367

>>5206713
There are more than enough viable pokemon in gen 1 to make team building an important facet of the game, yet the limited number of pokemon and movesets do make your opponent's options more predictable. While you may prefer the ambiguity of pokemon stats and movesets which can flip a losing matchup into a winning one, I find too much variability detrimental. With the different balance of information in RBY the game is largely about reading your opponent and wearing their pokemon down over many interactions. This to me is enjoyable and engaging. You don't just auto-win if you have a gimmick your opponent's team doesn't have a counter for or sweep through the enemy after a single turn of set-up.
Playing any later generation while arbitrarily restricting pokemon selection to gen 1 pokemon would be silly and I don't think anyone actually does this. In any case, because I prefer the generation 1 battle system there is zero reason for me to do this.
It's fine that you dislike RBY, I'm not saying everyone needs to like it, but please understand that not everyone shares your preferences. I also enjoy texas holdem poker and mahjong which are probably too simple for your taste but are quite popular worldwide.

>>5206801
>You don't just auto-win if you have a gimmick your opponent's team doesn't have a counter for or sweep through the enemy after a single turn of set-up.
Let's not pretend gen 1 wasn't full of broken things. For example, the "special" stat in gen 1 counted for both special attack and special defense, so those with the highest special attack also automatically have the highest special defense, and that includes pokemon that also have the highest speed (and therefore critical hit ratios, another broken mechanic) like Alakazam and Gengar, which is why pretty much everyone used them. Gen 1 was very much a game of "pick the popular pokemon and do your best" and the weaker pokemon just stood no chance against the stronger ones.

Now even a team of would-be shitty pokemon can beat a team of legendaries if your strategy is better.

Now, I can accept you prefering the gen 1 system, it's much easier to just jump into and play without taking it too seriously, HOWEVER
>>a dumbed down version
I demand a retraction of this sentence

>>5206646
based.-

>>5206047
Pokémon was always garbage, you have shit taste.Kill yourself.

>>5205992
Gen 2 was pique Pocket Monster kino

>>5206010
>>5206159
Wrong. Gen 4 and on is when Pokémon became an autistic min maxing grind fest.

Notice how you only speak of mechanics (which become more of a slog) over style and substance. Classic case of soul vs soulless.

>>5207014
Mechanics ARE substance you dingus.

>>5205992
I love playing them again just to abuse the glitches. (Missingno, crit tied to speed, no recharge hyper beams, etc.)

>>5206282
Why are you posting Linkin Park cover art?

>>5206624
>another Kanto war theorist

>>5207014
>so what if the new games are better? what really matters is which game I played when I was a kid
>checkmate!

Isn't there a pokemon board?

Shouldn't be in vr because anyone over 18 can't possibly revisit a pokemon game with any sense of challenge or intrigue. It was literally a time-waster RPG with the illusion of strategy shrouding what is basically rock paper scissors and collectibles.

And yes, original or nothing.

>>5207014
>soul vs soulless

"Hey, we need another pokemon. Think of something"
"Uh.... how about a seal with a horn on its head?"
"Well what are we gonna call it?"
"Uh..... shit, I don't know, let's just call it a seal but spell it 'seel' instead"
"Whatever, the little shits will buy it anyway"

Gen 1 greatest gen, so creative and soulful and not at all a marketing ploy to get kids to beg their parents to spend money. Gotta buy 'em-- I mean gotta catch 'em all! Pokum man, or whatever!

>>5207060
"Hey kids, you like pokemon? Then you're gonna love Mr. Mime! He's wacky and zany and HAHAHA! Kids like you LOVE HIM! Hey, look at me, I'm Mr. Mime! Hahahaha, bwa-HAY-oh! Doooooy! UhhaHA! Buy me!"

*SRP $49.99 USD.
*Price does not include final sales tax.

>>5207020
Bad mechanics = bad substance.

Sorry if your idea of good mechanics is min maxing several generations of Pokémon to make some meta meme moveset you read about on Bulbepedia.

They caved in to the worst, most autistic parts of the fan base and the quality of the games suffered for it.

>>5207046
This is exactly the type of autistic modern gen fanboy I was talking about. You can't even properly respond to any of the charges about how Pokémon turned into a shitty jarpig menu sorting simulator, over a light hearted adventure series because it just had to pander to the terminally autistic.

The entire series is a flandarized shadow of what it once was. The only people blinded by nostalgia goggles are the ones desperately clinging to the modern shit heap into which Pokémon has morphed into.

>>5207060
>>5207067
When people call modern Pokefags autistic, they're not even memeing. I think there may be actual autism at play here. Sad, really.

>>5207060
Pokemon was a project Satoshi Tajiri dreamt about making for years before it was developed. It was something created with passion, not just a soulless money-grab. You could argue that about the merchandising that came afterwards, but the game was pure.

I don't think the new games are soulless either, I still love the newer gens. As far as the designs go, there's good and bad in each generation. I actually like the simple designs in Gen 1 though, so even stuff like Seel is cool with me.

>>5207079
>actually get personally angry that people make fun of your favorite pokemon game
>call them autistic

>>5207080
Just want to post more old art.

>>5207081
Scroll back up and read this shit (>>5207060 >>5207060) and try to play it off like you're not furious lmao.

I'm not even a Gen One purist by the way.

>>5207080
>You could argue that about the merchandising that came afterwards, but the game was pure.
The naivety in play. Don't forget to buy your Nintendo Gameboy Printer and Nintendo Game Link Cable to get the FULL Pokemon experience. You want to be a pokemon master, don't you? Then buy Pokemon: Version 1 AND Pokemon: Slightly Different Version!

>>5207083

>>5206907
Its funny how you complain about special but you don't know the best pokemon of that gen didn't use it. Tauros was banned because it was so good and it had terrible special. Snorlax was another giant threat. Rhydon, Golem, and Cloyster were also all big threats even with their low special.

>Now even a team of would-be shitty pokemon can beat a team of legendaries if your strategy is better.
The only viable legendary in competitive gen1 is Zapdos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2TdCAXCDpI
Here is a nice channel you can use to actually educate yourself instead of relying on what I assume were meme images from plebbit.

>>5207086

>>5207084
>guy clearly having fun poking fun some of the gen 1 designs
>you break down in tears upon reading it instead of laughing along with everyone else (who are now all laughing at you)

>>5207085
Multiplayer with the link cable and two versions to encourage trading was brilliant. Yeah, it also had the benefit of getting people to buy multiple versions, but it was great for creating the social aspect of the game. You get Red version, your friend gets Blue, then you meet and trade/battle. It was great.

>>5207085
>Then buy Pokemon: Version 1 AND Pokemon: Slightly Different Version!
For fuck's sake, you were never meant to buy both versions. You were supposed to trade with someone who had the other one.

>>5207089
>>5207086
>>5207083
Sad that nuPokemon went from something created out of passion to a design by committee cash grab by boomer nip salarymen.

>>5207087
>Tauros was banned because it was so good and it had terrible special
Was your point to bring up a separate broken mechanic in gen 1?
>The only viable legendary in competitive gen1 is Zapdos.
Mewtwo is by far the strongest pokemon in the game.

>>5207090
Jesus Christ dude, get some fresh air.

It's getting sad.

>>5207096
>implying that autist you're talking to had any friends to trade with

>>5207087
Tauros isn't typically banned to my knowledge, at least by most people who play. But yeah, best four pokemon were Tauros, Exeggutor, Chansey, and Snorlax. Those four were on just about every team. People always talk about Psychic types, but it's worth noting that Normal types were also really good because with Fighting attacks and types being so weak, they effectively had no weakness. Not to mention Hyper Beam, Body Slam, and the great stats on some of them.

As far as the legendaries go, Mewtwo and Mew are obviously the best, but banned normally for obvious reasons. Zapdos is the best of the birds, and the only one that shows up often. Articuno and Moltres are still decent though (Articuno is better).

>>5207087
You can ALWAYS spot someone who didn't play during gen 1, because of how much they emphasize Hyper Beam. When we played in IRC, there was no Hyper Beam glitch because Pokemon Stadium made it clear that it was a glitch. Plus Pokemon Stadium was what tournaments used once it was released. To this day, I don't understand why the fuck people decided to revert to using the bugged rules in recent years.

>>5207087
>>5207106
I get what you're saying about Pokemon not needing great special to succeed in Gen 1. Though I'd say the lack of a split worked in favor of Pokemon like Tauros. In later gens, they give Tauros only 40 Special Attack, but in Gen 1, he has 70 Special. They didn't want to give terrible him Special Defense, so he ends up having halfway decent attacking ability too. Which means he can use Blizzard effectively as one of his attacks.

>>5207113
Do you mean official Pokemon tournaments back then? Most people who have played competitively played on simulators which generally used cartridge rules. It is kind of weird that Stadium wasn't chosen as the standard online, but I think people generally like the Hyper Beam glitch. Stadium rules feel slower without it, not to mention the different Substitute mechanics.

>>5207116
Nevermind, missed where you said IRC.

Pokemon is a monster collecting game where the whole point is to catch them and trade them with friends.
The battling system is just an addition and has always been meh.

>>5207113
Honestly, very few people played high level gen 1 during gen 1's lifetime. Most people were just kids who played against their friends without knowledge of the metagame. I know there were options to play online from fairly early on, but it was a small portion of the players from back then.

>>5207121
I enjoy Pokemon battles a lot, but it's true that the game is great just for catching and trading too. As a kid I rarely got the chance to battle with people, and when I did we usually had heavily mismatched teams where one person just overpowered the other. Stadium was lots of fun though.

>>5207149
Stadium's party mode was great

>>5206619
>4kB for a fucken gaunter pic
>x150 is 600kB
What kinda black magic did they use to make pokemon fit on the 1MB chip?

>>5207087
>make way for the competitive R/B player

>>5206907
I'm not retracting anything, just read better next time. An arbitrary restriction of the pokemon in any generation is definitely dumbing it down, I don't see why you would disagree when you're so strongly emphasizing that more = better. This doesn't even have anything to do with gen 1.
So what if special counts for both attack and defense? That's not even a flaw. You can still make pokemon have good special attack and be vulnerable to special attacks if their HP is low. The only issue is fixed damage attacks like night shade and that's just a small detail.
Pokemon with higher speed have higher critical rates, yes. But that's not inherently bad either and slow pokemon like snorlax, exeggutor, chansey and slowbro were great. So why is this a problem?
Regardless of generation a better player can still win against a lesser player with worse pokemon if their strategy is better. And later generations also have better and worse pokemon so again: so what?

>>5207087
Tauros was not banned. Articuno is not as good as zapdos but it's still a strong choice. Even moltres is decent though clearly inferior.

>>5207113
Because different simulators have better more fun rules.

>>5207378
>more complexity = dumbing down

>>5205992
I liked gen 2 a lot though

>>5205992
Gen 3 is my favourite and I started with gen 1 back in the day. I haven't played any after gen 4.

>>5206801
Toxic/leech seed
Bind/firespin
Charizard/slash
Alakazam/psychic
Venusaur/ razor leaf.
There was some fucked combos in gen one that could kill basically anything. I do enjoy it in game, but not vs.

>>5207034
Ok, autist. It's a fun hypothesis, not my fault you let a bunch of fags spoil your fun. I'm going to continue to enjoy it regardless of your pathetic wojak posting . Have fun being a bitter simp.

>>5207067
Mr. Mine has some good moves actually. I remember trading whatever for one and was pissed, but I used him anyways and he fucking rocked early to mid game.

But you did make me laugh, so here's a (you)

>>5207080
>>5207083
>>5207086
>>5207089
Prequal srpg when.

Ohh Fack, that would be awesome. Roaming around as a young professor oak, finding out about all the pokemans battling final fantasy tactics style. I think it would bring a lot of us old fags that give no shits about the new generations back. I know I would buy it.

>>5207498
I agree, I really liked the pokemon diversity if gen 3, mixed with the first two gens, it was pretty choice.

>>5207518
Toxic + leech seed is trivial in pvp because you can just switch out and it's even less important in-game because you could kill anything easily without relying on this combo
Wrapping moves are dumb, no arguments here
Slash always criticalling on pokemon with decent base speed is very powerful but the pokemon that can use it aren't that strong so it all works out ok
Alakazam's psychic is strong but so what?
Venusaur and victreebel's razor leaf is like slash, it's good but the pokemon are nowhere near overpowered

>>5207594
>Alakazam's psychic is strong but so what?
>Venusaur and victreebel's razor leaf is like slash, it's good but the pokemon are nowhere near overpowered

Slash and razor leaf are definitely over powered and Alakazam is over powered as well.
I was just throwing out a few combos that are overpowered in gen 1s move pool. There are other op pokemon in gen 1, but just the normal types other anon posted. It really does gimp 90% of other pokemon, which kinda sucks. That's why gen 2 & 3 are better for vs battles. You just sound desperate to defend gen 1at this point.

>>5207090
>proves that he is indeed an autistic pedant.

>>5207498
>>5207537
my niggas

>>5207607
I'm just correcting misinformation to spread knowledge. If you want to know more, feel free to ask.

>>5205992
Outside the graphics they really are just the same fucking game with a 100 new pokemon every gen.

Although they got ugly af once they hit the DS.

>>5207714
No you're not, you're purposefully trying to deny facts, then acting with condescension disingenuously.

Gen 1 took 6 years of off-and-on development to reach a finalized state, and most of those 6 years were dedicated to monster design because the original pitch to Nintendo focused on "100+ monsters".
In contrast, every other generation has had 2-3 years at most to conjure up 100+ new designs (unless they were rejected designs from previous generations), in addition to new gameplay gimmicks and features.
It simply isn't a fair comparison.

That said, Gen 2 blows Gen 1 out of the water in terms of gameplay and visuals.

>>5207714
you sound like an asshat

>>5205992
Gen 1 is so poorly programmed. Now, Gen 2? Fuck yeah.

>>5206325
3 ducks counting Golduck

>>5206067
>National Park
>Game Corner
>Vs. Kanto Gym
>Johto Route 28

C'mon now, Anon.

>>5205992
only beat gen 2 after this feels like i'm playing more of the same. The weakness system is kinda ridiculous, i was getting fucked by that guy with a bunch of dragonites on gold and took me only one pokemon with ice punch to make it pathetically easy.

>>5208975
>GOLDuck
>is actually blue
wtf nintendo?

Liked them all till sun/moon. cutscene cutscene cutscene cutscene cutscene walk 3 feet congratulations you cleared this route.

>>5206010
Gen 4/5 mechanics are better simply because of a better separation of what special or physical moves are, but there's too much of a clusterfuck of Pokémon to choose from after gen 3 and the games need more resources to emulate. Mega evolutions, Z moves, island Pokémon, all this feels like shit.
Gen 3/4 is as far as I go. Anything above feels like too much shit is thrown in, not to mention that Pokémon designs got more boring. The only good thing gen 5 does is removing poison damage outside battles and having infinite uses on TMs. I don't see a reason to play anything beyond gen 5.

>>5205992
I enjoy going back to gen 1-3 every now and then, but my favourites at this point have to be BW2

>>5210487
Mega evolutions are pretty cool. They make pokemon who used to suck actually be useful.

>>5211191
>give pokemon which are supposed to be shit a meme evolution instead of giving them a stat boost or making another traditional evolution like Onix->Steelix. Or making another pokemon to replace them like they always do.
No, they're a shit gimmick.

>>5211223
>giving them a stat boost
That's what the mega-evolution is. They get a boost in stats (or at least a re-distribution), usually a new ability, and new typing, and the trade-off is that their item slot is taken up by the mega stone, and each team can have one per battle.

>>5211191
Yeah, that’d be great if they didn’t give already great pokemon mega evolutions too

>>5205992
Right here, everything after gen 1 is an abomination. They should have renamed Pokemon "How to Jump the Shark as hard as possible"

Gen 1 actually opens up and lets you hit 4-5 gyms in any order.

>>5207008
k

Gen 2 was better than the originals, honestly.
I enjoyed Emerald, haven't played anything after.
Bulbasaur
Feraligatr
Sceptile

>>5205992
Here

If you look at all gen 1 games or even influences like how Kanto is explorable in gen 2 and how there are more gen 1 pokemon in gen 2 than gen 2 pokemon than Pokemon's first gen would be at least half of the reason the series is as big as it is. Gen 1 was a phenomenon that even transcends gaming. Something few games ever achieve to the level of Pokemon. In fact you could probably count on one hand how many game franchises were as mega successful as gen 1 of Pokemon. What immediately comes to my mind is Fortnite, Minecraft and GTA V.

>>5211681

Competitively, that's what tiers are for and it'd be stupid to work against that instead of with it.

>>5211223
There are good Mega Evolutions and bad ones. The good ones like Pinsir, Beedrill, and Charizard take a Pokemon who sucks beyond saving and gives them new life. The bad ones take an already strong Pokemon and either make them stronger or just outright worse.

>>5206271
>none of them are game breaking
>you can walk through walls into a place you can't escape

Same deal as FFVI, just maybe a little more obscure than "don't use sketch."

>>5205992
Genwunners are NOT welcome here.

>>5210487
>Gen 3/4 is as far as I go. Anything above feels like too much shit is thrown in, not to mention that Pokémon designs got more boring. The only good thing gen 5 does is removing poison damage outside battles and having infinite uses on TMs. I don't see a reason to play anything beyond gen 5.

This is exactly how I feel, except I also feel there's too many cutscenes in 5. You need to tone that shit down for Pokemon, no one's there for the dumb plot. Other than that, for the sake of the thread FR/LG is better in almost every way outside of charm by sprites and making Brock a pussy by throwing in a Mankey.

The Gen on the 3ds is really bad, they got rid of gyms and instead have some weird totem thing that seems like it's designed for 1 year olds.
It also goes down to 5 fps in any battle. The Pokemon models and animations are neat though I can appreciate the work it takes to model and animated 750 different Pokemon.

FireRed and LeafGreen are the best way to play these games.

>>5206047
How could get worse than Gen 1? Really, how? They were devoid of meaningful content, exploration was pretty weak, sprites were garbage and the engine was one bug away from self-destructing.

Kanto was one of the best regions however let's be honest now Let's Go was pretty g ngl

>>5213405
>le bug meme
There were literally no game breaking bugs. Like two movies didn’t work properly. There are some edge cases of status effects not interacting right. The game is 100% playable. Stop listening to eceleb faggots, retard.

>>5205992
I love gen 1 and 2, and the series only got good again from gen 5.

aside from a few stupid bugs like focus energy and high jump kick its a fukken masterpiece

>>5205992
HOWEVER
who here stopped at gen 2?

Was kind of surprised to see the pokemon fad continue

Gold and fire red were my favorites too play

>>5205992
I think Gen 2 is superior. Gen 1 only is for nostalgia. The best retro pokemon to me is Gen 2.

>>5205992
Gen 2>Gen 6> Gen 5>Gen 4>Gen 3>Gen 7

>>5215773
>>5216648
seconding these. Gen 1 was great, but terribly balanced, psychic was ridiculously overpowered, and ghost type was pointless. Gen 2 perfected the balance and the amount of pokemon.

>>5216913
>gen 2 perfected the balance
>by making a new steel type and making it resist the majority of other types in the game

>>5217552
>Bug is useless gen1
>Add a new bug with a super powerful move to counter psychics
>Make it part fighting so psychics can one shot it anyway

>Remove always crit glitch with razor leaf and others
>Don't give grass types anything new to compensate
>Now only one grass type pokemon is viable down from three

>>5217563
>make dark types weak to bug with the idea of making bug not suck so much
>only include 3 dark type pokemon
>one is half flying type, one is half fire type
>the last one is dark/ice with the same special attack stat as an unevolved pidgey so he can't even use dark (or ice) moves to any effect anyway

>>5217606
Oh wait, there's Umbreon too

Still, Bug type sucks and Dark type mostly sucked too

I appreciate gen 1 because it doesn't take its own mechanics for granted or get up its own ass too much. That, and the world has the most natural flow to it. Starting around gen 3 / 4, even though those games are great, it started to feel like decisions were made because that's what Pokemon is, not for any design reason. Gen 3 is probably the peak, but gen 1 isn't far off.

>>5205992
I've played a lot of the new ones to try to recapture the feeling of playing Blue for the first time again.

The one I like best for now is SoulSilver.

>>5218240
>The one I like best for now is SoulSilver.
See, Gen 4 even did Gen 2 better

>>5218603
The physical special split really helped out a ton of suddenly worthless pokemon and types.

>>5217634
>gen 1 because it doesn't take its own mechanics for granted
The fuck this means?

>>5205992
Emerald was peak

>>5205992
I don't have a problem with Gold, FireRed, Ruby, Emerald, whatever. Anything after Emerald, I just don't care for. There was just something about gen 4 that left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't even remember gen 5 or any gen after that.

>>5219273
It means that it doesn't assume you know Pokemon and what it's all about or do anything just because "that's how you make one of these," for obvious reasons. It has to sell you on why it's cool and why what it does is fun, while as the series progressed it became just like "yeah here's some more."

I want to say NO for pokemons like zoroark.

>>5205992
It's kind of stupid being proud of enjoying something only when it was a fad.

>>5219276
im a gen wunner, but 3rd gen is fucking amazing, including the remakes of gen one, which are techretro and ok to discuss.

>>5219945
>I liked Pokémon AFTER it became an overplayed autistic grind fest

>>5206137
>Gen 2 definitely has the best post game. Even if its limited, visiting Kanto was kino.

>>5206325
>>5206587
Psyduck is a platypus.

>>5219786
It sounds like you're saying they didn't have a good idea of how to make the first set of games, and that it got better with each succeeding generation

>>5220096
>find trainer called Red at Mt. Silver that looks like the protag from Red/Blue
>turns out to be the protag from Yellow

:^)

>>5219276
It's good, but goddamn do the monster designs blow ass. There's only maybe a handful of gen 3 mons that I can even tolerate, and it really limits potential replays because I know I can't even bring myself to use half of these abortions. It's a shame, too, because gen 3 really does have the best sense of adventure to its gameplay.

But yeah, Emerald was definitely the peak, and everything since has been a gradual decline.

>>5212362
Charmander also learns Metal Claw.

Not that Brock is at all challenging in any game. Onix has a lower Attack stat than Geodude (or Rattata for that matter) and didn't get any Rock moves until FRLG, meaning you could just stall him with Charmander even without Metal Claw.

>>5220749
Gen 3 has mostly cool pokes, aside from a few that are really stupid (Latias, Latios, Manectric)

>>5220749
Gen 3 has mostly cool pokes, except for a few that are really stupid (Latias, Latios, Manectric)

>>5206047
games started to go downhill after gen v

>>5220720
>the problem with gen 1 is my own auts

>>5220772
Struggling to see a single gen 3 mon that is “cool”

>>5220939
>Aggron, Slaking, Breloom, Shiftry, Glalie, Claydol, Metagross, the Regis, Sableye, Sharpedo, Wailord, Crawdaunt, Duskull, Ninjask, Exploud
None of those sseem cool at all to you? What pokemon do you like?

>>5221026
Not him, but I can count on two hands the gen 3 mons I like:
>Ludicolo
>Breloom
>Slaking
>Ninjask/Shedinja
>Aggron
>Camerupt
>Altaria
>Metagross
The rest are either tolerable or awful.

>>5220939
Black White has really shitty sprites, like one of the worst in the series, so you can't be blamed just going off that image.
Here they are put through a nostalgia filter
>>5220878
>go downhill with gen v

>>5220720
More proof that people who cry about Gen One have literal autism.

>>5221159
>Here they are put through a nostalgia filter
See, that makes them look marginally better, because GSC style sprites are objectively the height of the series' aesthetic. But they're still shit designs. Like seriously, just explain to me what the fuck the Ralts line even is. Why does a dog with a lilypad for a head evolve into whatever the fuck Manectric is? It's just shit, there's no defending it.

>>5220720
this is a good guide to play RB again and have fun breaking it.

>>5221026
They went overboard on the designs. All the designs went forward to a generic monster RPG style. They don’t have that G1 simplicity.

>>5205997
and what'd you think?

>>5217624
Dark type wasnt top tier and the best pokemon was Umbreon, which worked best as wall type imo (unless you patiently grinded it to become a killing machine)

I like gen 2 for making wall pokemons more viable

>>5221434
Nigger, you're talking to a fucking Nintendo advertisement bot. There is no one on Earth that played the first generation of pokemon, then nothing else, then just decided to play gen 6/7. He's fucking LARPing.

Pre-physical/special split Pokémon is objective garbage.

>>5221698
Anyone born after the year 2000 is a fucking jewish zombie, and they should be fucking mercy killed.

>>5221230
>Like seriously, just explain to me what the fuck the Ralts line even is.
A fairy of some sort that evolves into a kind of angel. Hence its rarity.
>Why does a dog with a lilypad
It isn't clear what Electrike is supposed to be.
>It's just shit, there's no defending it.
I wonder if you can even coherently distill the essence of what made Pokemon designs in Kanto and Johto good, that could be used as a criteria for judging everything else.
>>5221371
>All the designs went forward to a generic monster RPG style
Do a comparison between a Kanto/Johto monster and Hoenn/Sinnoh monster and point out how the former is not generic and the latter is---preferably for Pokemon that actually are comparable (e.g. Golduck vs Ludicolo, the kappas; or Hitmonchan vs Hariyama).

>>5221739
>I wonder if you can even coherently distill the essence of what made Pokemon designs in Kanto and Johto good, that could be used as a criteria for judging everything else.
I can, and here it goes: they look good, and not like a fucking DeviantArt reject.

>>5221742
gen 2 has some the most shit mon in the whole series. gen 1 and 3 have better designs as a whole, and gen 2 has a few select awesome designs. then gen 4 shits the bed.

>>5221757
No, gen 3 is pure shit. I know this is subjective, but I'm going to say this now: anyone who likes gen 3 is a tasteless nigger who should have their balls cut off because they're too stupid to understand aesthetics, and they would be better off being human slaves.

>>5221761
no, even as a kid i knew gen 2 had the most worthless designs, yeah there are some great ones, but fucking sudowudo, unown, wobbofet, dunsparce, snubbul, sneasel, marill, delibird, togepi, igglybuff, hoppip, wooper, misdreavus, pineco... come on those are absolutely horrible designs. gen 3 brought back what i liked about gen 1 designs.your the nigger, nigger!

>>5221775
You can say nigger all you want, you underaged faggot, but you aren't old enough to talk on this matter. Gen 2 was the last good generation, and you're a retarded faggot that eats shit because your peers told you to do so.

>>5221371
>They don't have that G1 simplicity
There's regular animal looking pokemon in gen 3 like Mightyena, Linoone, Swellow, Pelipper, the Slaking line, etc

Gen 1 also had pokemon that, if they came out now, people would say they're "overdesigned" and weird like Golduck, Magmar, Electabuzz, Omastar, Kabutops, Golem, Hitmonchan, etc

The art style changed a bit, but that's more to do with the change in technology allowing more detailed sprites

>>5221230
>They're still shit designs
That's nostalgia talking. You're just not as familiar with them. People who didn't play pokemon even in gen 1 look at gen 1 pokemon the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2714T_k2B1U

>>5221792
>links to the South Park episode about Pokemon
You're a fucking cow. You are a piece of cattle, and you should be fucking executed as such.

>>5221797
Like it or not, that's what pokemon looked like to people older than 8 at the time

>>5221801
Kill yourself, you zoomer pile of shit. You know nothing.

>>5221786
nahh faggot. i grew up with the first gen, ya fuckin dildo licker. youre the one screaming nigger like an autistic kramer. gen 2 had the worst pokemon up until the end game. half the pokemon are shit with stupid as fuck baby designs that are worthless even in game, let alone for battling. you have no rebuttal, just a mouth full of fucks and faggots. go cry me a river, kike.

>>5221826
Very convincing, you tryhard faggot. Grow the fuck up.

>>5221813
How about YOU
>spreads asshole
Eat my SHIT
>shits in your mouth

>>5221858
Grow the fuck up, you underaged faggot. The fact that you got this emotional proves you're a teenager.

>>5221856
nice argument, nothing person... tell me, what good pokemon besides the starters are there in the beginning to mid game? maybe 5 at most. you cant come up with a rebuttal, cause there is none. you cant even explain why gen 2 is good. all you can do is blurt out obscenities like a child with tourettes syndrome.

>>5221862
>Grow the fuck up
My log of shit is growing. You better bite and swallow or else you'll drown. (in my shit)

>>5221875
You didn't grow up with the first generation. You're probably 21 at best, and you need to shut the fuck up. No one cares about what you experienced, because you grew up in the single most jewed generation of all time. You are culturally bankrupt.

>>5221878
I don't even know what you're saying. You're also culturally bankrupt.

>>5221881
im 28 you dumb fuck. just keep assuming shit and pull more red herrings, cause you cant counter my factual statements. you can keep casting aspersions overtly, but until you actually address the argument, youre just making yourself look like a butthurt ignoramus. come on asspie, wheres your argument?

>People start to post the most blatant tryhard bait written like a 12 year old
>The bait is immediately taken

How stupid are you people?

>>5221930
Say that to my asshole, and see what my balls think about it

>>5221893
I'm sorry what we were we arguing? I lost track, because you're such a piece of shit that you'd rather use ad-hominems than argue the point at hand.

>>5221964
the expletive game was your own. i came back with legit arguments. you are the one who couldnt articulate a rebuttal, only obscenities. now, to feign memory loss in hopes of a reprise. well, you still have no argument and convenient amnesia. try a little harder next time champ, i believe in you.

>>5222042
No, I'm serious. What are we even arguing?

>>5222058
its ok, theres only a whole thread of (you)s to remedy your forgetfulness, but you have a hard time losing arguments on a north korean nuclear crocheting forum. it happens. get some rest and try again tomorrow.

>>5222064
Look at this retarded angry faggot. He's losing his shit at me, and when I ask what we're fighting about, he doesn't even say. Embarrassing.

>>5222073
Why are you still fighting with him then, you goofball?

>>5222073
I know its hard, but ad hominems wont work anymore. look a few posts above, the thread is viewable to everybody. you lost, son. better luck next time.

>>5222075
I'm not. I'm literally at a loss why he's still responding to me so angrily.

>>5205992
Great Greed alllllll day....

>>5222076
Lost what, you insane retard? What are we even arguing?

>>5222081
the thread is at your disposal, no need to play games. if you can come up with a response without slinging slurs in contempt, i'd be happy to continue.

>>5222085
Likewise. Except I'd like to understand what we are even arguing about. If you could enlighten me, that'd be great.

>>5222087
if you would take a moment to reread your responses in the thread in which you preside, then what you seek will become apparent

>>5222093
I have, and that's why this is so ridiculous. What's your fucking point? State it right now for everyone to see.

>>5222102
My last point was for you to come up with a coherent argument. If you cant, thats fine. I wont fault you for ignorsnt shipostung, After all ths is 4chan.

>>5222106
A coherent argument about what?

>>5222108
Your obscene dictation and myriad utterances of a distinct period in correlation with the threads addendum

>>5222117
So, we're arguing about me saying 'fuck'?

>>5222119
Again, I implore you to take a gander at your previous insights. If then you still surmise your opposition stemming from a singular word, perhaps this is too much for you.

>>5222123
Wait, so you're telling me that the attack on the USS Liberty was justified?

>>5222124
The fuck it was justified you kike faggot. Ill slit your throat with an erect jigaboo penis if you meander your speech like a shill. Hold your tounge the next time you think about exspressing such drivel to me in a blatant troll fashion.

>>5222125
Did you just have a stroke?

Imagine being a fucking kike that has to constantly put up this facade. Everyone hates you, you inbred pile of shit. Kill yourself so the rest of the world can move on.

>>5222126
Ill have a stroke over your trembling skull while my ejaculate splatters against thine weakness in opluance.

>>5222130
*Opulance

>>5222130
The jews are a hideous race, and they will be a footnote once we fucking exterminate them.

best thread on /vr/ right now

>>5222129
I like Jews.

>>5222135
Ursury and nepotism in a country that accepted you with open arms is a less than savory act of gratitude.

>>5222141
What?

>>5222141
It does not take but a moment of pondering to realize why the nose has been expelled from almost every nation that welcomed them.

>>5222142
The nose, not you.

Snorlax was amazing in the first two gens.

>>5222148
Snorlax and raichu have always been an interchangeable part of my team. They offer similar but unique qualities

Reminder that the jews want you fucking dead.

>>5222156
Such truths should be self evident

>>5222150
Raichu is my favorite pokemon. I always get one for my in-game team each generation.

>>5222159
You're going to burn in hell for eternity, you piece of shit. It's not funny that you are fucking with human lives because your ancestors did usury or whatever.

>>5222161
Mine too, i just wish game freak and TPCi didnt nerf the fuck out of him. Hes easily one of the most badass mons and could have been a fucking powerhouse, not that he cant be. Its just shitty how he gets overshadowed by pikachu. I like pikachu, but its nothing compared to raichu. Thanks for the pic, its awesome

>>5222164
Your nose should go sacrifice some more kids to bal. Dont get to carried away chewing on baby penis, mohel.

>>5222164
By the way it was the nose that practiced ursury, imbecile.

>>5222168
It's funny that you call me a jew, because that's the only defense you have. Ok, let's pretend I'm a jew. I want you all dead, and I'm fucking schizophrenic, so everyone that isn't me should be subjugated.

>>5222173
Well if we were all dead how could we be your slaves. I dont know how you got me mixed up with the opposition. Go slide another thread. Moishe

>>5222167
Yeah, I know what you mean. Last couple gens have been better to him though. Got a buff to speed and a cool Alolan form. I'm glad that he's now a great pokemon for double battles at least.

>>5222176
>the jew calls you a jew
It's fucking exhausting. Why can't you fucking semites kill yourselves already? Nobody likes you

>>5222180
I like them.

>>5222179
Im still just catching up, i really like the alolan variants, but have only played up to gen 4, i just bought white version on ebay. I need to splurge on a n3dsxl so i can play the rest. Im fucking stoked he got those buffs, but itll be a while before i get to those gens.

>>5222180
Im also confused. Im not a fucking jew, guy. Please dont do this to me you fuckin asshole. The post you responded to was me agreeing, but still typing like an old fashioned fag. These truths should be self evident that jews either want you dead or a brainwashed slave faggot.

>>5222187
You're fucking afraid. It's delicious that your inbred jewish ass is afraid for once since WW2.

>>5222192
No, fucking idiot im not a kike. You sound like a shill thread slider though. Or else what did i say to make you think im a nose? You keep going on about thus, would you like to se my uncircumcized dick? Wtf you cunt?

>>5222195
Yeah, you sound like a reasonable person. This post doesn't sound insane at all. You're going to be fucking liquidated, and you can enjoy that. No one likes you.

>>5222197
No one likes you, fucking manic jew thread slider. Quit trying to sound like /pol/, cause you do a shit impression. Go scream shoah to somebody that gives a fuck, epstein barr.

>>5222203
You're literally projecting onto me. You're a fucking faggot, and you know it. The jews are the weakest people on the planet.

>>5222212
you have no argument, kike. just circular bullshit as usual. dont you have some pedophiles to protect?

>>5222223
Imagine calling someone that calls out the jews a kike. You stupid faggots have lost. You are kikes, and no one likes you.

>>5222228
you sound retarded, but i cant expect more from burgstein himself. do you really think youre fooling anybody?

>>5222232
Imagine being a jew, and you have to tell other people that they're jews as an insult. You are a fucking scumsuck. Israel isn't a country, and you're going to be eaten alive by the muslims.

>>5222241
how stupid can you get? i dont even think youre a jew anymore. you sound like some brazilian face fuck who cant grasp simple logic, but i wouldnt put it past a kike to play dumb

>>5222251
What's wrong, jew? Getting scared that the entire fucking world hates you? Iran is too good for you.

>>5222259
hey stupido, youve been confirmed ESL. im not a jew, youre country sucks and you speak gimped portuguese. brazil is a nation of cucks and jew immigrants, but youre so fucking stupid you wouldnt be able to spot a jew if his nose was in your pockets.

>>5222265
I live in America, and jews are fucking scum rats that shouldn't even exist. You're so fucking terrible that life itself has to make a new tier for your godforsakenness.

>>5222271
you live in south america and youre an inbred jew slave that cant into logic. you like speaking retarded portuguese and sucking jew dick for shekels.

>>5222276
No, I live in America, and the jews are going to fucking submit to us. Get ready, Shmuel.

>>5222283
yeah, you live in south america. no american would deny the pervasive jew presence that lingers around every corner. youve outed yourself as a mudslime cuck fairy jew princess that has an imprint of jew dick in your rectum and a star of david branded on your butt cheeks.

>>5222286
This jew is extremely afraid of people hating him and wanting him dead.

>>5222289
youre such a subpar iq faggot, this is why we want a white ethnostate. you mongoloids would just start accusing everybody in a witch hunt and slaughter innocent people. youre no better than a nigger chimping out.

>>5222291
>this is why we want a white ethnostate
Hey, I won't stop you, you stupid jew. That's exactly what I want.

>>5222293
you wont be a part of it, youre too brown and retarded.

>>5222294
Why are you so angry, faggot? Oh wait, you're a /leftypol/ faggot, and you realize that no one will take you in.

>>5222296
you just cant stop being a dumbass. nobody gives a fuck about /leftypol/, you mentioning it is proof enough of your jewery.. youre gonna keep witch hunting like the stupid spic you are. have fun getting jew raped by a zionist tranny bull dyke named tedra

>>5222301
Remember the USS Liberty!

What's wrong, you communist faggot? Did the very mention of the USS LIberty get you scared? You've already lost.

I wish there was a way to report 30 posts at once without getting banned. Last time this happened I got banned for reporting all the blatant shitposters so I'm not going to bother this time

>>5222148
When you got Snorlax, it felt like you were cheating the rest of the game. Bulky as fuck and strong too with that body slam.

>>5222463
No, you just have no counter to the mention of the jewish terrorist attack of the USS Liberty. Never post here again.

Guys, I hate Jews and their plots as much as the next rational human being - but can we go back to shitting on nuPokemon autists?

>>5223095
>Fellow white people, can we not expose the Jews anymore? Haha, it would be funny if we stopped, right? High five

>>5223102
I have an entire folder for the jews and their slimy ideologies, but this isn't the time or place my man.

>>5223118
What's that Windows version?

>>5223118
>hiding file extensions

>>5222148
In Gen2 the metagame revolved around Snorlax and killing his few counters before bringing it out for an unstoppable sweep.

I think they went a little overboard on the deleting

>>5223228
I think they just deleted every single post from a single IP address. Which also included the "gen wunner" posts.

>>5224437
Further evidence that nuPokemon fanboys who cry about people preferring older generations are shitposters by nature

>>5225315
Actually it was the guy complaining about the games after gen 1 that got shitcleaned

the remake was better and without downsides except the mew glitch
but that's like the retards complaining about la dx

There's a board for pokemon, why shit up /vr/ with your autism?

>>5227763
It’s a retro game.

>>5205992
Yes. The deal was I had to catch 150 pokemon. You don't get to add more fucking pokemon you goal post moving piece of shit. I already caught them all, leave me alone.

>>5206010
It wasn't just the gameplay that got me interested in the game but the top down chibi graphics as well. While the games might improve with each gen, the fact that it looks more and more realistic and over colored with each passing is a turnoff. I know a popular sentiment with pokemon is people can't wait for it to look like skyrim with realistic looking pokemon, but the appeal for me with the old ones was that it was low enough resolution that it was left up to your imagination how it would really look. The new pokemon designs also look like ass too and I am always dissatisfied with how the new starters look.

>>5206186
>This gen one had so many bugs

missingno added a lot of mystery and replayability to the game. Bugs are fine so long as they don't forcefully break the game, but you kind of have to look for them