/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5196670
That's like shooting fish in a barrel. All GayRPGs are the worst I've ever played.

>>5196681
This All of them are shit

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

Not a single doubt in my mind about that pick as my worst. Battles were mindnumbingly simple, dungeons start short & sweet until length creep becomes very real and outta control, there was a "story" and "characters" in the loosest sense of the terms, and your hero always feels a step behind even the shittiest of his companions.

>>5196702
At least Mystic Quest had you using tools and weapons outside battles to solve puzzles. Besides only using 2 characters I don't see how the boss combat was any different from mainline Final Fantasy.

>>5196670
unironically not Xenogears.
I don't understand why this game gets so much hate on this board

Fuck jarpigs and fuck progressfaggots.

>>5196724
This.

>>5196683
you

>>5196726
That picture depicts a jarpig player as he receives ugly dated cinematics as a substitute for gameplay.

Your favorite one is the worst one, OP.

>>5196681
^^^^^^^^^^^^ FUCKIGN THIS FTW

gay ass bich nerd "genre" lmao for boomers and autists

>>5196670
This year I played a fuckton of JRPGs, and I gotta say the hardest to slog through were Breath of Fire I and II. They weren't necessarily "Bad" or "terrible" or whatever. But they were very poorly paced and there were a couple parts in each where I definitely felt like I had to force myself to push through.

Also, I really like Chrono Trigger a lot, but I don't necessarily see where a lot of it's praise comes from. When I was younger I thought it was 10/10. Now, I'd give it just an "okay".

I had a much better time playing a bunch of PSP JRPGs.

There's too many bad ones. I'd rather mention a good one: Vagrant Story

>>5196784
Trigger encourages you to spam techs by placing a save point before every boss and making the tent item extremely cheap to get. It's a casual as fuck game and THAT'S A GOOD THING.

>>5196784
fyi this thread appears to be a jrpg-hate circlejerk probably from /vg/ so don't get bummed out if you don't get many serious replies.

>>5196784
kiseki or what

>>5196792
>muh /shmupg/ boogeyman
Why are JRPGfags so paranoid?

>>5196808
You started this divisiveness shit now own it.

>>5196724
>>5196725
>2 minutes apart

Having IDs in this board would be amazing. /vg/ and cringy shmup niggers would fuck off real quick.

>>5196808
Shoot em up is worse than jrpg

fps/platform fag reporting in

The shitlist:
Mystic Ark
BOF 1-3
Lufia 1 & 2

>>5196813
>you aren't allowed to hate on my favourite genre because it'll hurt my feewings
Lol, grow a pair, my dude.

>>5196837
Why would you dislike shmups but then enjoy FPS's? Anyways, FPS, platformer and shump are all superior to jarpig junk.

>>5196670
>>5196681
>>5196683
>>5196724
>>5196725
>>5196754
>samefagging this hard

My favorite genres are jrpgs, shmups, and fighting games. Xenogears is one of my favorite games too.

>>5196860
Maybe because FPSes are not memorization fests that's designed to rob children from their quarters.

>>5196860
I never said you weren't allowed to have "opinions", I just don't understand why you go into jarpig threads specifically to say how much you dislike jarpigs. Attention whoring much? At least try to contribute to the discussion explaining why you hate things instead of just throwing a blank statement that could apply to anything like "jarpigs suck hurr durr"

>Never played through the Suikoden series
>decided to do it
>get through the first three games, get to the fourth

It rivals Xenosaga 2 in terms of shittiness.

>>5196931
So you're triggered by arcade gaming in general then. You know you can enable "free play" on the machines, right?

Also, complaining about memorization makes you sound like a brainlet, no offence.

>>5196959
He's got a point, though. Gitting gud at shmups is notoriously repetitive.

>>5196670
Dawn of Mana.

Dragon Quest VI and Dragon Quest VII.

These games are total fucking borefests. They're both "nothing happens: the game". Especially if you play them after you play V. What happened?

>>5196731
what do you think of as gameplay

give examples

>>5197101
Mashing the X button for hours on end while reading grade school level writing and occasionally using healing items and buff spells.

>>5196958
I have truly never seen a worse battle system than Xenosaga 2's.

>>5197104
I don't think you understood the question. What do you think is a good game? what do you think good design is?

Ephemeral Fantasia
Saga 3
Bof I

>>5196670
Lufia 1 of BoF1, I guess haven't played that many of them.

>>5196713
Contrarians that didn't like can't stand that others do

i cant think of a bad one. if anything i never liked the mario rpg series. theyre too kiddy to me in terms of how the game looks and dialogue.

>>5196670
Probably Arcana. The battles aren't interesting, the dungeons are pretty boring mazes, and its entirely too grindy without satisfying enemies or equipment.

>>5196931
Clearly you have never played "Alien Resurrection" on the Playstation. It's an interesting and atmospheric game, but totally a trial and error affair.

>>5196931
Fps are lowest common denominator garbage.

>>5197247

This. Doom niggers get buttblasted with comments like these because they know its true.

>>5196959
>Let's git gud at shmups!
>memorizes enemy spawn/attack patterns by playing the same shit over and over again with nothing changing
>Whoa, such fun! Now let's play against human opponents in a FPS/fighting game/vs puzzle game/basically anything with a proper competitive mode besides "get higher number"
>loses repeatedly
>Whaaaaaat!?!? My 1337 gamer skillz don't work when the opponents can change their tactics and adapt to my repetitious low-thought muscle memory style??? But shmups are true gameplay games for gameplay gamers like me! :'(
Face it, shmups can be fun but when you start memorizing stages for high scores you basically turn the games into worse grindfests than JRPGs. Even speed running a single game evolves more than persuiting a highscore in any shmup ever has.

>>5197263
You've never 1cc'd any of them have you

Haha, yeah. They suck! Madden thread, bros?

>>5197329
I 1cc'd your are mother lmao

>>5197336
I'm guessing you don't win when you play FPS or fighters either

>>5196713
I've never completed Xenogears because the PSN version freezes during a cutscene. And it's like, I've already put 20hrs to into the game at that point, and I don't care what happens because it's purposefully obtuse and vague.
Like, it's not pulling me into a mystery when cryptic masked characters appear and talk about "it" or "him". It does the opposite. And if I've learned anything from jrpgs, it's that when they do this, the answer won't be revealed for another 20hrs and I'm suppose to remember these mysterious scene where nothing happened.

Probably Legend of Dragoon

>>5196670
i used to like jrpgs when i was in middle school and high school because they took so much time to get through it was the best dollar to hour of play ratio available. since i've become more busy i can't play them anymore without getting pissed off. when i only have 2 hours to play games and the entire time is spent in plot scenes and dialogue or fighting random encounters while back-tracking through a maze-puzzle-time-sink i stop having fun.

>>5196670

No better post OP...no better post.

>>5196713

Imagine Star Wars ending with Luke meeting Yoda...that's it.

>>5196670
Beyond the Beyond.

>>5196702
It's almost like Square designed FFMQ like this on purpose. Retard, it's a good game with a great soundtrack

I'm going to have to go with Final Fantasy 13 as being the worst. I went a whopping 1 hour into the game before I put it down and quit

>>5196670
Final Fantasy II (NES) and 7th Saga (American) for me. Never again.

>>5196784
I completely agree on Breath of Fire 1 and 2. Breath of Fire 1 was just bland and 2 was a waste of fucking time and complete filler for a good chunk of the game.

>>5197247
>>5197254
It's true. Every FPS to me looks like Robotron for babies. Like they just make it piss easy cause cunts couldnt play robotron.

>>5197380
It's very easy to work around that freeze. I've actually never had it happen to me. I presume you're talking about the Deus but? It doesn't trigger unless you allow Deus to use a certain attack.

>>5197569
>Final Fantasy 13
Is that the one with lightning mcqueen? That game was so fucking bad, it looked like a b-movie with interactive segments.

>>5197596
I disagree, it LOOKED like a top tier animated movie with interactive segments. The story was blah, and the voice acting was terrible though.

>>5197631
Yeah the graphics were great, but the acting and story were b movie. Thats where im coming from. I dont bother to classify it as animation.

>>5196670
Probably a Pokemon game
Strategy boils down to nothing but choosing the right type in each battle. Leveling is meaningless to a certain extent. Due to type effectiveness leading to most battles ending in one or two turns, buff moves are useless except against gym leaders, the Elite Four or the rare trainer who has more than two pokemon. Nerf moves are always useless.
All of my nostalgia is invested in this shit which is too bad because the games are pretty bad as JRPGs.

>>5197498
They designed it to be so boring you couldn't squeeze a drop of fun from it? Great. Good job Square.

>>5197634
Graphics looked pretty bad to me, though I've only seen screenshots. Typical 360 era washed out, muddy looking, generic environments.

>>5197596
>b-movie with interactive segments

That's pretty much MGS but that game is fun as fuck

>>5197715
Say what you want about the graphics today, but I was awestruck at the time

>>5197715
Thats shit art. But the models were smooth as fuck

Of the ones i've played, probably Guardian's Crusade. The graphics and soundtrack are atrocious.

>>5196713
it has an insane amount of flaws which outweigh the only reason to play which is the story and in the end you realise that even the story isn't very good.

It's overreaching idea is good though, just terribly executed

Golden Sun

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>>5197769
This scene, while not great, isn't that bad, and so minuscule that its not worth hating the entire game over.

>>5196670
Body Conquest is worse then Secret of the Stars I think. I try not to remember the worst of the worst.

>>5197809
actually this scene made me appreciate the game more and not to take it so seriously

it's obviously tongue in cheek

>>5197380
>And if I've learned anything from jrpgs, it's that when they do this, the answer won't be revealed for another 20hrs and I'm suppose to remember these mysterious scene where nothing happened.
Actually they usually explain what's happening as it's happening because the main character will be all like
>What?! Who could have thought there was such a conspiracy all along!

Xenogears in particular ends up just unloading info onto your brain a lot, then you replay the game at some point and when stuff happens you notice how cool all the backstory that was happening without being explicitly spelled out for you actually was, and you start to wonder what it would have been like if the game had been finished properly or the series expanded the way it was planned out.

According to the Nips the worst kusogays for the SNES are Maka Maka and Idea no Hi. They look awful

>>5196784
>>5197575
Yeah, I've been wanting to get into the BoF series for a while, but I just cannot find the willpower to play through 1. The first few hours alone were already such a slog, fuck

>>5197840
Play some famicon jrpgs to prep you. You'll appreciate what BOF has to offer.

>>5196670
I get a lot of shit for this but Tales of the Abyss. I've never hated a main cast so fucking much in my goddamn life

I also don't think Secret of Mana is even remotely worth the praise it gets.

>>5197815
>tongue in cheek
yep

>>5196670
Beyond the Beyond. Even ultra shit JRPGs like Secret of the Stars aren't as bad to play even if they're less competently made. Bullshit encounter rates, long and confusing dungeons, puzzles everywhere, and a terrible button mashing active combat mechanic combine to just make the game one of the most tedious games I've ever played.

>>5196670
Xenosaga

Which is wierd becuase I love chrono cross, I got baten kaitos 1 and 2, and xenoblade chronicles X, but I couldn't stand Xenosaga

Xenosaga isn't /vr/, so here's a picture of a hummel figure, which is definitely retro and also looks exactly like a Xenosaga character.

>>5198180
Kosmos is so hot though

>>5197840
Just play the good ones (4&5)

>>5198193
>but but but muh anime waifu

Cut your dick if you're not gonna use it

>>5197818
>It wasn't even finished
/thread

>>5196928
This

The divide between jrpg and shmup makes no sense to me. I like jrpgs, shmups, fighting games, platformers and puzzle games. I dislike fps and wrpgs. Everyone has different taste. Anyway the worst JRPG is Rent A Hero for the Sega Genesis

>>5197591
It's like a 10 minute cutscene sequences.
Some guy talks for 5mins while playing an organ.
Some masked lady docks -You don't know who any of these characters are or what the hell they're talking about - the lady immediately turns around to leave.
Scene change to Fei running in darkness with a cross pendent swinging behind him.
Then it's like a flash back memory of him bouncing a ball with his mother, which turns into a grainy movie projector.
Fei says "where am I?" then a spotlight appear on his boyself watching the move projector.
The camera starts to rotate around.
And the game freezes.

Timestalkers

A game so bland I've never seen it mentioned here.

There is no divide between shmups and JRPGs. One autist who happens to like shmups triggered JRPG loving zoomers so much that anyone who doesn't happen to think grindy nongames are good must be part of some insidious plot.

>>5198604
If you guys actually liked shmups here then threads about them wouldn't go mostly ignored whereas several jarpig threads reach bump limit on a consistent basis.

>>5196713
it has an amazing story, but the second disc is hard to get through as well as the gameplay suffering. long stretches of the game feel like a visual novel because there's just so much dialog with no breaks

>>5198632
I am not most of the posters here. I agree that there seems to be a few posters spamming JRPG threads nonstop - it's a bit much for even me and I'm a fan of the genre. Really it's more appropriate to say that I WAS heavily into playing these games and I forever treasure my memories of them. Nowadays if I play an RPG it'll be FFTactics or some other SRPG.

I think I've encountered you or some other shmup guy a few threads before - I'm the guy who plays console shmups because I do not own a PC that is capable of running MAME. I live a computer-free life right now and it's great. I will probably need one eventually though.

>>5198628
No divide? You mean gameplay? The thing that categorizes game into genres in the first place? Or did you think genres were adjectives that attribute some airy quality like "rpgness"

>>5198663
guy is a fucking tard who can't even use words properly. He probably means something like animosity or feud or something.

>>5198663
>>5198689
Pure autism.

>>5196670
The worst one ive played recently is Tales of Symphonia on gamecube. I've been so excited to play that game for years and i finally did. I cannot believe how poor the writing is, it's insultingly bad.
>>5196713
Get up to disc 2 and you'll understand.

>>5198613
That happens on emulator too. The workaround on epsxe was to hit F7 or F8 or something. Sorry to hear it happens on console now too.

xenoblade 1

>>5196713
Some famous YouTuber must've hated it

Most people here are just shitposting or baiting but I would like post Hoshi Wo Miru Hito, what is probably the actual worst jrpg ever made.

This game, this fucking game, let me tell you how terrible it is.
>the game's graphics are so ugly and minimalistic that it is near impossible to tell what is and isn't part of the scenery
>the very first town in the ge is invisible on the overworld, there is no lorecreason for this, the progtammers were justvthat incompetent
>when you exit out of any town you are sent back to the starting location of the game. You can be on the other side of the map and still be teleported back to start
>some of the first enemies you see are so powerful they take zero (0) damage from your attacks
>you can not run from battles, ever
>if you die you can input a password that will give you yourvitems and progress but set you back to level 1
>the battle UI was programmed wrong so you can't see your full hp ever. If you have 110 hp for example it will be displayed as 11 hp
>in the first town you are given a weapon for free, this weapon makes you WEAKER though then having nothing equipped
>you can not unequip equipmemt unless you have something else to equip

This is all shit just in the beginning too, this doesn't even touch on later aspects. I would say this is genuinely the worst jrpg ever made.

Most people here are just shitposting or baiting but I would like post Hoshi Wo Miru Hito, what is probably the actual worst jrpg ever made.

This game, this fucking game, let me tell you how terrible it is.
>the game's graphics are so ugly and minimalistic that it is near impossible to tell what is and isn't part of the scenery
>the very first town in the game is invisible on the overworld, there is no explanation for this, the programmers were just that incompetent
>when you exit out of any town you are sent back to the starting location of the game. You can be on the other side of the map and still be teleported back to start
>some of the first enemies you see are so powerful they take zero (0) damage from your attacks
>you can not run from battles, ever
>if you die you can input a password that will give you your items and retains your progress but sets you back to level 1
>the battle UI was programmed wrong so you can't see your full hp ever. If you have 110 hp for example it will be displayed as 11 hp
>in the first town you are given a weapon for free, this weapon makes you WEAKER though then just having nothing equipped
>you can not unequip equipmemt unless you have something else to equip

This is all shit just in the beginning too, this doesn't even touch on later aspects. I would say this is genuinely the worst jrpg ever made.

>>5198759
the autism was deliberate because the post was otherwise too stupid to respond to in any meaningful way.

>>5200592
You're playing it wrong

>>5200682
GIT GUD

>>5200592
Yes, I read that HG101 article too. I like how you ripped them off shamelessly and didn't even bother to expand on the "later aspects" since that's where the article ended. You even stole all their points in their original order, too.

>>5200694
Hardgay 101 stole that from a trendy nicovideo anyway.

>>5196795
That was one series I played. I just basically went to the "top 25 PSP JRPGs" on Google, and played that entire list.

>>5200676
You are so socially inept it hurts. The best part is how you think you're self-aware.

>>5196670
i fucking hate Secret of Mana.
You have to unlock the Co-op, and let me appeal to your common sense here: What sense does that make?
The combat is patience trying, due to having to wait for this meter to charge up, which is fine for a boss, but not for constantly respawning enemies that take at least four hits each.
The music ranges from good to really fucking bad.
The story, well...
>"Before all was lost, a hero with the Mana Sword smashed the fortress"
>smashed
>the fortress
>with a sword
also:
>the Mana Tree is UR MOM LMAO
and don't even get me started on that fucking menu interface holy shit.

>>5201707
>You have to unlock the Co-op,
What the fuck are you on about

>>5196978
>They're both "nothing happens: the game".
They follow the early nes games principle of great adventure quest where you solve issues on the road. You are not expected to be interested in a long and overexposed chain of related events that threads the main hero, but rather a collection of quests that impedes your progression while slowing discovering the big picture.
You have to enjoy the ride itseld and put the focus more in the towns and dungeons, and less into the party itself.

>>5196958
Poor sod, Suikoden 5 is the worst.
Its probably the blandest jRPG ever conceived.

>>5201730
You can play Secret of Mana in Co-op mode but you can't do so until you've unlocked a new party member.

>>5196713
It's the most blatantly unfinished game I've ever seen

>>5201810
But it also has more content than most finished games. Too bad the gameplay is shallow and uninteresting.

>>5196713
It's just not that good, it's just basically a press X simulator, even for RPG standards there's literally nothing to do in the game but sit there and watch endless hours of dialogue and walking down linear corridors. I play RPGs for the exploration, secrets, and discovery, this game has almost zero of that until you're 100 hours in there's like 1 secret.

>>5196713
Gameplay is shit and even the story is massively overrated. Disc 2 is actually better than Disc 1. Disc 1 is just a slog, pacing wise and in terms of gameplay.

>>5196958
I dropped Suikoden 4 hard. One of the only games I was really hyped for in that gen too. I dropped Xenoblade Chronicles 2 harder though.

QUICK, PICK MY NEXT GAME!
Breath of Fire IV, Grandia, or Star Ocean the second story. Or pick a different RPG for me to play. Have recently played, Suikoden 2, Lunar, Fallout.

>>5203231
>Or pick a different RPG for me to play.
Batsugun

>>5203243
Fuck off you retarded autist.

>>5203249
It has an experience system. What about Mars Matrix? It has that, too.

>>5196792

Why does /vg/ hate jrpgs again? Is it because of fallout from that jrpg general that went down in flames?

>>5203360
He's talking about /shmupg/, but really, thinking only one boogeyman can dislike a genre is ridiculous.

>>5203360

Oh wait, nevermind, just looked it up. A petty autistic grudge against jrpgs flared up on /shmupg/ and now they're taking it out on every jrpg topic they can find.

So, it's Barneyfag, but spread out over multiple circlejerkers on a general thread that consists entirely of them.

>>5203373
The fuck are you on about

>>5203231
Have you played Koudelka yet? Star Ocean is pretty good but I always get sidetracked trying to successfully steal everything from every NPC and never finish it.

>>5203416
No, I haven't played it but it looks interesting. I definitely recognize the cover. I ended up burning star ocean as it looked the most promising and unique.

Thanks for the recommendation

>>5196670
go back to bed, Parish.

>>5200575
This is probably true.

>>5203468
Should have added that you wanted non-game recommendations.

>>5197472
That might be the worst comparison I have ever witnessed. Xenogears' story actually has an ending, albeit it was quick getting there, but the story was told.