/vr/ - Retro Games

Bump.

>>5180450
2nd for puffy.wav
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcQnv26bcjY

Also, what Thief OST is your favorite and what is your favorite song from each game?

3rd for Hammerites best faction

4th for OP not knowing that you need 3+ posts with images to make sure your new thread doesn't get removed.

>>5180490
Genuinely did not know this.

Which game is considered the best of the franchise or the must play?
The series are literally dirt cheap on Steam and GOG right now due to sales but I'd rather buy just a couple.

>>5180525
You can't go wrong with Gold and 2.

>>5180481
The Mage Towers is far from my favorite mission but it may have my favorite music. I really like the strings in the main tower and the air and earth tower music, and also the creepy synths in the courtyards.

>>5180525
1 and 2 are the best, which one is down to preference. Get both, play Gold first, expect zombies, the gog versions are good.

>tfw taking friday off work so I can play dank FMs and talk about them here

>>5180490
Isn't that only on boards with it as a specific rule like most of the porn boards?

Hi anon! :^)

>>5180481
I'm not sure if it's my favourite, but the first half of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdNIGDuS7e4 sticks with me from thief 2.
It evokes a "deep space" scene as much as it does the shadowcast undercroft of a dormant manor. The consistent shift between keys sets a torpid rhythm. As the volume increases with each sweep on the high key, to a peak, you can feel a churning of water under under your feet, like great waves. The pulsing electric hum and quavering chime, of the theme of metalcraft and electrical machinery, try to smother the ceaseless, patient drone of pure Thief in the background that you can more easily isolate later in the piece. There is a distinct sense of unease. I don't find this one calming. The opposite, in fact. It perfectly captures the feeling of trespassing and running out of time, but still being able to savour the false-coziness of a claustrophobic basement where only sleeping servants and dozing guards dwell.

From 1, I choose the first part of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDKE_HULnu4
I love being out on the prowl in The City. I've written a few of short stories focusing on it. My favourite FMs involve creeping catlike along sprawling residential labyrinths, and I think this piece captures the combination of having a spring in your step for a night on the town, yet through the least conventional avenues and out of every streetlight.

Next-level texture work in Song of the Caverns.

>>5180819
This is beautifully written, anon, and I absolutely agree with everything you said. I love the lonely, creepy atmosphere of Running Interference.

I'd also add that I adore the tile area soundscapes used in Bafford's, in the upper floor before the throne room. It sounds both dangerous and very lonely as well.

>>5180481
I am myself towards Hammerites, but this song is probably my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5kqnmn4bKM

>>5180819
>I love being out on the prowl in The City. I've written a few of short stories focusing on it.

do you publish them somewhere? I have an internet zine that focuses on avant garde stuff and I'm interested in your work.
If you're interested, mail me, my email address is https://blackfogzine.org/guideline.html#submit here

>>5180819
This is top-tier but let's not try to turn this thread into some kind of circlejerk

>>5180886
too late for that

>>5180490
>>5180516
Pretty sure that's board specific and normally for high traffic/pr0n boards to limit spamming.

SPIDERS

Thief Gold but its modded to be a dungeon crawler RPG.

>>5181145
A Journey into the Underdark

>>5181146
Actual mod is it?

just bought thief 1 and 2 from steam.
anything I should do before I get started?
Which Do I play first?

>>5181186
the first. what kind of question is that?

>>5181186
>anything I should do before I get started?
Tfix and Tafferpatcher and you're good to go
>which do I play first
this should be fairly self-explanatory unless you happen to post from a civilization that hasn't invented a numeral system of its own yet. If the latter is the case give me a sec and I'll call my local Australopithecus linguist.

>>5181167
It's a T2 FM where the three difficulties are three classes. It's a pretty decent mission.

>>5181203
>Tfix and Tafferpatcher and you're good to go
Use TFix Lite instead of the regular TFix though.

>use this unsupported version of tfix because this other one adds a random fence in 1 (one) mission that blocks the player from using a shortcut that saves all of 5 seconds

>>5181262
t. voodoo47

>>5181262
What kind of support do you think a compatibility patch needs that it doesn't already have?

>>5181267
t. autistic frog

>>5181274
I had to spend half an hour fucking around with the config files because tfix lite made the game run like shit on my computer. Normal tfix had no issues whatsoever and the game ran smoothly right off the bat.

>>5181262
what exactly?

>>5181304
Not our fault you're too retarded to modify cam_ext.cfg/your rig is too shitty to handle NewDark without someone else tampering with it.

>>5181314
The wall trap in the keeper compound in the haunted cathedral. You can climb over the wall in the original game bypassing the locked door, but tfix puts a fence there to prevent you from doing just that. A very minor issue completely blown out of proportion by a few autists that I'd wager most people won't ever notice. And I'd rather have to lockpick that door than waste my time doing what this retard says >>5181319

>>5181345
>A very minor issue

Sure thing my retard. Also enjoy your shitty colored lighting in a game that didn't support it. And those stupid meshes that install whether or not you choose to.

>tfw it's finally over

>>5181458
w-what do you mean

>>5180557
>>5180689
Got 'em, thanks anons. I'm going to enjoy them for sure.

>>5181515
After spending an inordinate amount of time on it my contest mission is done.

>>5181267
>vooodoo47
WHO?

>>5181523
Congrats anon!

>>5181345
When you deliberately remove player options from the level design of immersive sims, you are completely ignorant of the developer's design philosophy and you should stop developing those fixes. Blocking paths that are part of the original level design is not the job of third party bug fixers. LGS added ladders outside proper level structures just in case curious players managed to manipulate the environment enough to make it past those boundaries. Being able to do stupid shit is what these games are for, and insisting that you know better than the level designers is impossibly arrogant. You're not the genius surpassing the masters. You're the retard so stupid that he thinks that he's the genius.

>>5180450
There's Newdark, but why no PrDark, Zdark, XPDark, WinDark, Darkspasm, nor DarkRequiem sourceports?

>>5179345
>You are using Darkloader?
I was, stopped right after I started seeing that Q instead of the regular ol' hammers everywhere. At first I thought that the authors of Retreival meant to reference the Death of Garrett somehow (their mission is the one that more openly than others references the TTLG forums and the DromEd community, after all), but apparently that wasn't the case. I'd always known about DarkLoader's fundamental flaw but, since I never suffered from it, I thought I could have worried about it another day. Now I've got some cleaning to do in the game's directory but for now I'm enjoying the scene: the Hammerites being overtaken by this heretical new cult.

>>5179345
>You are using Darkloader?
I was, stopped right after I started seeing that Q everywhere instead of the regular ol' hammers. At first I thought that the authors of Retreival meant to reference the Death of Garrett somehow (their mission is the one that more openly than others references the TTLG forums and the DromEd community, after all), but apparently that wasn't the case. I'd always known about DarkLoader's fundamental flaw but, since I never suffered from it, I thought I could have worried about it another day. Now I've got some cleaning to do in the game's directory but for now I'm enjoying the scene: the Hammerites being overtaken by this heretical new cult.

>>5181719
Because the NewDark team is the only one who made a port so far.

>>5181735
And finally, another part of this FM I loved. Sneaking up on someone from below gives you an advantage on who's above you, sure, but as long as you don't know what's up there you're still vulnerable. It's a natural kind of challenge, since you can't rely on all your senses like you usually do.
Not as hard as it may look at first, especially after the two guards with the overlapping patrol route have been dealt with, but it was a fun obstacle to deal with. Really felt like I was trying to take a castle by surprise, only that there wasn't any castle to take among those walls.

Bloodstone Prison is next, the third mission by Kung Fu Gecko. Not his last but the next will be on T2: soon that game will enter this chronology we're following, so we'll have to keep an eye on that.
Another Hammerite prison, this time haunted from top to bottom. A fellow thief and ex-keeper who doesn't want us killed, for a change, and a holy sword that could help us fight the undead. Sounds promising.

>>5181767
Bloodstone Prison is fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcydJuSkqFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho8XNjXN6Cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAOIaLqJEQA

>>5182221
Give me a quick rundown on MURAPPR.

>>5181001
sauce on that

>>5182221
That last one is some silent hill level shit

>>5182496
Quite obvious it's that loud sound apparitions make. It's located in res/snd.crf/sfx/murappr.wav
>>5182612
Wasn't it in some in-game video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGeaD5sGlU

>>5182612
Oh, yes, right, it's from the ending cutscene. Except it's in higher quality and a bit different.
https://youtu.be/lGZA-KDy87Q?t=152

Has anyone played T2X? Is it good? (http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/FM:T2_T2X:_Shadows_of_the_Metal_Age_-_Dark_Engineering_Guild))

>>5182698
it's worth a play. it's a comfy adventure with some nice missions.

don't let the shills get your hopes up too high, though. it's also deeply flawed. the sound and art directions are both questionable, and the main character is an insufferable edgelord cunt (literally an unironic coldsteel the hedgehog).

>>5180481
>what Thief OST is your favorite and what is your favorite song from each game?
I think nothing beats opening credits for the first game. It set up the whole tone for the setting with just handful of beats

>>5182704
>literally an unironic coldsteel the hedgehog
... meaning?
It rings me absolutely nothing, aside guessing this must be somehow related with Sonic (?), which I never played

>>5182773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPhXA2zHCU

>>5182698
>Has anyone played T2X? Is it good?
It's very good but it's on the easy side. The game is noticeably easier than Thief 1 and 2, with far less strict loot requirements and restrictions on killing.

>>5182704
>the main character is an insufferable edgelord cunt
No she isn't. She's a naive young girl convinced by a manipulative man to act as his instrument of revenge. She's not edgy, she's brainwashed by a liar to see nothing but vile hateful monsters around her because he wants her lust for vengeance to cloud her judgement. It eventually does and she just obeys his commands unquestioningly. That development isn't written or delivered fantastically, it's pretty hamfisted, but she's not just "nothing personnel".

just played endless rain.
It was kino.

What other fanmissions have you travel across rooftops of medieval buildings that tower over the streets?

>>5182612
>>5182679
It's from the very end of the final cutscene but more specifically I cropped it from pic related, which judging by the image bleeding through is from the interior box art of some version of the game.

>>5183101
Skacky owes a lot of his style to Melan. Most of both of their missions fit that bill.

I can't change my controls for thief 2
send help

>>5183209
>>5183101
Additionally you have:

Bones EP1: The Old Quarter (T2)
Thieves' Highway (T2)
The Power of Suggestion (T2)
Augustine's Revenge (TG)
Nobles & Craftsmen (T2)
A Job Well Done (T2)
Behind Closed Doors (T2)

Keep in mind that a few naysayers here think city missions are for brainlets.

>>5183287
>>5183173
thanks my dudes

>>5182679
i can beat this mission in about 20 seconds lol

>>5183287
rent free

>>5183461
>rent free
What did he mean by this? :s

hmmmm

what do you guys think? Too much open space outside and not sure what to do for it. Should i go full THE SWORD and just halve it and make the perimeter walls high as fuck?

>>5183479
I'd say bring the perimeter walls in a good distance, make them taller like The Sword as you said, and add a few simple buildings on the outside taller than the wall so the area looks a bit more lively (no need to go crazy with detail, some rectangles with pyramids on top and windows would do the job).

>>5183479
Add a waterfountain and a pool to liven up the outside or something ;)

>>5182221

>>5183479
Make a massive garden maze

>>5183761
Very cool. What FM is this from?

>>5184150
I bet you it's a contest mission

TAFFING TEASE

>>5180490
that's only for pr0n boards, dummy

>>5183479
Get rid of the walls and have nothing but sky on all sides.

>>5184564
"Get rid of the walls"? How dost thou dare to speak such heresy! Might the Builder strike thou for such words!

Hey sneaksies, could ya give me a tip? I forgot how two first games are played and I've just finished T3 – and it had a "creep" option which allowed to walk very slowly, but completely silent. Is there such a thing in the first two games? Can I walk silently, even on marble floor (without using moss crystals)?

>>5184716
Turtling. Rapidly press the walk forward button while holding the toggle speed/sneaking button.

>>5184716
TDP has a speed toggle button. TMA has a separate sneak button called creep. Check the customize controls under option menu. You need to press them when moving.
No, you are not silent when sneaking on marble. However, there is a technique called 'turtling'. Rapidly press the walk forward button while holding the toggle speed/creep button. Try not to trigger the walking sound.

>>5184716
>>5184793
The trick is to stop before your movement triggers a "step" animation and therefore never makes a footstep sound.

>>5184150
It's a sketch of a mission I might make. As an anon in the last thread pointed out, Thief 1's typical building textures are incredibly garish, which is good but I thought it would be fun to do something primarily using the game's relatively few grey textures, including some rarely utilized ones from the Lost City. Not sure if I'll end up doing anything with it.

ALRIGHT FAGS WHICH ONE OF YOU WANTS TO TEST MY FUCKING MISSION???

>>5185280
WHY I'D LOVE TO YOU CUNT just pm Schlock on ttlg.

>>5185295
sent ;)

>>5185280
me me me i do i do!

>>5185438
whats ur ttlg or discord m8

Get ready for a shitshow, im pretty sure >>5185295 already died from how terrible it was also made a lot of retarded mistakes lol

>>5184935
You should totally keep working on it, that room looks pretty rad.

>>5185448
Nah I'm writing up my notes and recommendations in a word doc with screenshots and annotations and shit.

>>5185523
thanks, i have a pastebin from a friend here https://pastebin.com/8fcnPGAp so I'll get on those + yours tonight.

Also feel free to comment on the button behind the bed, one friend said it was super hard to find and no clue, but the others thought it was easy

>>5181767
Would you be interested in going through the submissions of the contest?

>>5186785
Sure, why not. It could be a fun intermission, and it would make sense as a part of what we're doing, given the theme,

Post your binds. We might surprise each other.
I'll start:


Run forward = W
Walk forward = S
Strafe left / right = A, D
Walk backward = X
Creep = Shift (hold)
Crouch = F
Lean left / right = Q, E
Lean forward = Shift+Alt+W
Triangle Lockpick = Z
Square lockpick = C
Flashbomb = Ctrl
Compass = V
Next / prev item = Tab / B (Thief 1), Mouse Wheel (Thief 2)
Clear inventory = Mouse 3
Clear weapon = ~
Weapons = 1 (sword) thru 9 (noisemaker)
Drop item = R
Quicksave = Alt+S
Quickload = Alt+L
Attack = Leftmouse
Use = Rightmouse
Jump = Space
Map = M
Objectives = O
Gamma -, +
Eye zoom = Up, down arrows (Thief 2)

>>5187304
i don't have thief 1 2 or 3 installed but i've been looking for this pic for months now and i love you anon

>download the newdark version of Calendra's Cistern
>it adds colored lighting

>>5187340
Someone else posted it in another thread. That wasn't me. I use it as my desktop now

>waiting 3 more days for these god damn missions to be released

can I make it bros? I'm about to sperg out waiting for this shit

>>5187357
Yes and it's called RGB and it is a thing now.

>>5185280
Aldarith on TTLG

Shall test

I haven't installed fan missions in a long time. I think I still have Darkloader installed but apparently that's supposed to be shit now? How do I into fan missions in current year? I kinda want to see these anniversary missions.

>>5188157
NewDarkloader or the built-in launcher FMSel.

>played FMs religiously until about 2014
>return
>see this contest
>see that Cold Death's Embrace and Black Frog finally came out
>Skacky and DrK still haven't delivered
I'm pretty fucking excited bros.

Idiot here.
Is there some kind of easy way to view objects without placing them in dromed?


Like,... an external object browser or viewer similar to the Half Life Model Viewer for Hammer?

I want to save time by seeing what I'm placing beforehand instead of all this experimentation.

I have never played a single game in this series and I want to start with the first game. Should I bother with dark project or just play gold?

>>5188374
TDP feels more contained. every mission has high quality, even though the last two are often critisised for being linear. in Gold, the new missions are pretty controversial and of varying quality. on the other hand, the new missions are also pretty important for fleshing out the plot a bit.

I'd say play both.

>>5188060
No member on TTLG with that name bud

I'm at a loss. I was certain that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRuWCgyDBQo 's sound effect at 13:52 was from Thief, but I can't find it in the files.

>>5188374
Start with normal, then switch to Gold. Gold has more missions, but suffers from that yoyo effects where you might love certain missions and hate others. Like normal Thief, but even more with Gold.

>>5188286
There's a fair number of newcomers this contest, I wonder how many will keep at it.

soul

>>5189019
soulless

>>5188758
Is the sound from Deadly Shadows? I've heard of many people ripping off the TDS soundtrack online. Some of the Shalebridge Cradle tracks have even been used without permission in shitty indie horror games.

>>5188823
It's cool to see Haplo come back for this contest. The community has definitely slowed down over the years but I hope it never quite goes away. I could see things pick up if Le Corbeau releases an updated version of Dromed with new features like Quake/Unreal units conversion.

Personally I'd love to make an FM someday since it's my favourite game, but in order to do it justice I want to get better as a designer first. Already done some work on other games.

>>5189069
I honestly don't know. It's been used in Hiimdaisy's Persona 5's video too. Might just be a stock sound floating around the internet, but it sounds Thief-ish.

>>5188738
Ascobol then

>>5188291
Nobody?

There MUST be a model viewer

>>5189294
sent ;)

>>5189297
Let me guess, even though the Dark Engine source code was acquired, DromEd still remains the same and nobody can update the program to give it basic features?

>>5188823
>picture
Did someone try to remake the godawful not-keeper compound in Thiaf? How would you even implement all those points of no return with access to such advanced controls and game mechanics?

Apparently Zontik's new campaign will be out soon. I'm curious to see if he'll finally contain his autism and produce something as enjoyable as it is impressive, or if he's taken Soul Tear's Keeper of Infinity as a challenge and doubled down on it.

I'll just leave this right here.

>>5189694
love it.

in nomine robot et glass et spiritus metal

>>5189805
more like this!

I make one new thing and people start spamming the thread with my works? I think Dominus' stuff would be more appropriate for the game's anniversary.

>>5180768
I wouldn't mind playing Thief 3 again, but it sure needs to be updated at least with Kurshoks (fish people) and Gamall's statues actually being able to hit the crouching Garret. Ghost girl was a cutie pie, no wonder the Hammerite in your picture was so dead set on finding the hag and proving her existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG9C4ouE1Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIMzs5O3QWo

What is the best comedy mission?

OH GOD WHY WONT MY FM START
IT GOES STRAIGHT TO LORD BAFFORDS MANOR

>>5190404
I like Bloodmist Tower.

I feel the way I did waiting for Christmas morning as a kid. Can't fucking wait.

Sent.
It it is a small, boring maze with little challenge.
You can finish it within 3 minutes.
Terrible, just like my first t shirt.
But I finished it! I will do better next time!
:)

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY
THIEF THE DARK PROJECT IS 20 YEARS OLD
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HIP HIP

>>5190559
"How we discovered Thief" stories?
Got it for free with a magazine. Big brother installed it, skipped the tutorial, attacked the front door right away, got rekt, said "it's shit", and uninstalled it.
Came after him, reinstalled it, and had a blast.

>that moment when I got in the mansion and understood I was never meant to attack the front door

>>5189694
Fucking cool.

>>5189297
There is one for Thief 2 I think. If you can't find it through google or searching ttlg you should ask over there.

>>5189660
newdark dromed has a ton of new features that olddark didn't have.

>stinkykitty made it in

https://thehistoryofhowweplay.wordpress.com/2018/11/30/thief-the-dark-project-20th-anniversary-oral-history/

>>5182698

Don't listen to the other anons. Yes, it verges on the easy side, but when it comes to Thief fancontent you either have cryptic 90s adventure game hard, or somewhat beatable if you waste more time than it is worth.

T2X gets everything right as a fanmade game that is set between T1-2. Yeah, Zaya is on the edgy side, but she shuts her face for 95% of the time during gameplay, so its fine. Theres some awesome stuff that no FM or OM did before, like moving train level, detachable zombie limbs, brothel level, among other things.

If you bother slogging through FMs its definitely worth to check T2X out.

>>5190281
I wanna use those prototype sounds for a guard

>>5190698
>be me
>be 14 or less
>be browsing eidos demo disk goodness
>Click link to eidos webside and browse catalogue
>click to thief website
>immediately intrigued and terrified, reminded of mcfarlene toys.
>ask mom to buy it right away
>go to EBgames
>buy trapezoid box
>show mom game at home
>'WHAT did i buy for my son!?'
'>'well I'm keeping it'
>"ok''

>>5190759
Ahh, I am looking for something for Thief w/gold

>>5191330
this MIGHT have been the first thief thing I saw

>>5191330
At least your mom actually cared about what game you played. Mine never did. Whenever I tried to talk to her about games, she'd go "oh, it's another game where you walk in the street and shoot people? It's dumb and retarded, so I don't care, stay a child if you want."

skacky gib Black Parade update before the year's over pls

>>5191149
The only interesting thing about the brothel level is that it's built into official lore, as it's based around the documents one can find at Shoalsgate. People often neglect to mention that T2X includes one of the best hammerite missions ever made, A Question of Knowledge.

24 submissions with 27 missions total.

OH SHIT TAFFER
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149369
IS YOUR BODY READY
IS YOUR BODY READY
IS YOUR BODY READY

>>5186991
Let's start with GORT?

>>5192142
Alright. Guess we won't have to worry at all about the accuracy of the FM's release date, this time. There's quite a lof of them, more than half of what we've played so far, so depending on how much we want to focus on this this could be more than a little detour. We'll see, for now let's get started.
It's time to celebrate TDP and there's no better time for a clean install of the game that will replace those blasphemous banners with hammers, to remind everyone who truly built this City.

Off to a good start on the anniversary contest FMs. This one is called "The Sound of a Burrick in a Room" and is your standard city mission but still plays rather well.

hope you guys enjoy my mission

jej

Seeing the architecture in these other maps makes me feel like a fucking brainlet.

don't fuck with skacky

>>5193039
What happened?

So I need more spooky customs that are a little more than just "there's zombies in a cave" like Down in the Bonehoard.
Did the contest have anything like Rowena's Curse, where it's a a mansion with thieving and secrets but also spooks? Or A Better Tomorrow where it's stealth around custom monsters in a big thieving city?

>>5193084
catacombs of knoss
maybe Madness of Wolfgang Handspiegel

i don't know about the rest, haven't played them yet

>>5193084
also sauce?

>>5193043
Someone on ttlg called the contest a "failure of epic proportions" because the missions weren't released exactly at midnight, even though it had been explained that they would be released at around 7am est.

>>5193113
lrn2saucenao
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=68332301

>>5180689
>mage towers

How? I loved like 9/10ths of it but fuck I had to cheat to beat it because I literally couldnt find the last rune or door or something. I spent 4 hours on it.

>>5193379
the mission is actually pretty straightforward: you go to an elemental tower, complete a few jumping puzzles, grab the key to the next tower, then rinse and repeat until you get the final key that opens the door to the talisman.

I never understood how people disliked Mage's Tower, but enjoyed Bonehoard.

>>5192754
yo thats beautiful. Reminds me of Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone for PC and PS1.

>>5193435
https://youtu.be/4BLZs3saK6c?t=191

>>5193084
>>5193109
update:

Darkness Walk With Us is what you probably would like as well

>>5192970
Which one? This one looks fun.

>>5194217
The Whistling of the Gears

Never noticed before that the flow of water affects rope arrows.

>>5180450
Do you think we'll ever get another Thief game that isn't shit?
Is the current state of video gaming prohibitive to that?
I honestly think that modern AAA companies are unable to produce games like Thief anymore.
Look at the Nu-Tomb Raider games. It's absolutely nothing like the originals. Hell, the Legend's reboot trilogy is more similar.

>>5194397
Fanmade ones, yes. From the commercial games industry, no.

>

>>5183479
Is it summer? Put a sitting area outside with some people standing around chairs and a rug laid out on the grass with some snacks on it like they're enjoying a midsummer night by candlelight. It could just be set dressing or you could use it for level progression somehow.

>>5190698
A friend lent me Tomb Raider 3, it came with a demo that had the Assassins mission. Definitively an awkward mission for someone with no experience, but I fell in love with it nonetheless. Took me a few days to get to the manor.

>>5184793
i've always called this "skimming" as it feels like sliding quietly across a floor like an unnatural ghost

>>5194397
Honestly, the only developers I think could pull it off are Arkane, and Io Interactive. And even then, it probably won't be as good.

Even if Eidos Montreal actually gave a shit while developing Thief 2014, it would likely still have the same problems that I have with their Deus Ex entries.

>>5194408
BLOODY SCREEN

SO REAL

Is it just me, or does Thief 2 feel slower to move?

>>5194408
>blood fx

>>5194408
That looks like abosolute shit
I hope that's satire

>>5190698
>"How we discovered Thief" stories?
Actually, it was from /v/
Back when it wasn't all shitposting and shittaste
Along with the likes of Deus Ex, VTMB, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R

>>5194598
brap

>>5194606
If you look at the early versions of TDP, you notice the explosion of the fire arrow is a gif. I think the gas cloud can look good, but it has to be of a lower resolution.

So is Thief "Magicpunk"?
How would you describe its aesthetic?

>>5194718
Clockpunk

>>5194560
Thief 2 IS slower. they removed things like straferunning and jumping speed was capped.

>>5194718
>>5194782
>Le punkpunk maymay
You people ruin everything. It has nothing to do with any sort of punk aesthetics.
And the entire god-damn point of the world design was to pick the surrealistic stuff from Jean-Pierre Jeunet's films and the expressionist movies 30s and 40s, then throw them into blender with medieval fantasy and served cold. Thief 2 is pretty much screams "The City of Lost Children", which was huge back then.

>>5194992
That's why I was asking anon
No need to get uppity.
I appreciate the through response.

>>5195012
You know, two weeks ago I had a lecture with students and we were talking about how daoism brings all sort of fluidity to Chinese movies and nothing is ever certain and precise. This being Far East Studies, everyone was familiar with all the concepts needed to easily grasp it.
And then we were watching a documentry did by British for British about said fluidity. Or rather the 70 minutes of struggle of bunch of Brits that were trying to force everything to a mold, drawer and compartment, all with proper labels. And laughing our asses at their futile effort to cram something that exists as "uncrammable" into a precisely, well-defined box.
And here you are, asking which of "punk" aesthetics Thief is, while in your mind the "punk" suffix exists as completely meaningless and not bringing anything to the table, but also as a shortcut and excuse to try to cram something ORIGINAL into pre-existing pattern.
Don't do that. Please.
Just don't.
"Thinking" in labels is what computers are good at. And it would be wasteful to take a human being reduce it to the capacity of a machine that can be manufactured for about 150 bucks. Because that means you are not competitive and thus should extinct.

Well, IMO my experience with the missions in this contest is off to a great start.

Playing alphabetically by archive name - The Sound Of a Burrick first.

There are so many comfy places to hide and visit.
Think I'll have a bath :)

>>5195042
I can't believe I'm saying this about a post on 4chan
>inb4 4channel
But that's some good advice. I will take your advice to heart.
It does seems like sometimes we do take the easy way out and confine our thoughts to these predefined molds and do nothing but limit ourselves by it.

>>5192426
And we have only one month to try them all. 25 diveded by 4 comes down to 6.25 missions each week. Overdrive!
This is my first time playing a GORT mission.

I dislike the converging patrol routes of the citizens and the guards. It becomes very difficult to predict your window of opportunity. The place with the bowman in front of the Keeper sign is a frustrating choke point. People just keep coming. When you knock someone out and a guard spots the body, they get riled up, start to move faster and have improved senses. This FM is quite punishing when you make a mistake. No way you are going to outrun those guards or fend them off. Good luck finding a spot where you can knock them all out. And if you get spotted in the Mages Area, a message pops up saying there are mages roaming the street. As long as you manage to survive that place, with a bowman that shoots 5 arrows at the same time, wizards with magic swords. Great! The Mages Area looks so nice, the magic stuff is amazing (apart from locking yourself in the Room of Statues if you don't have the bag of powder), but the placement of guards and wizards makes sneaking so difficult.

This FM is very rigid in steps you have to take. In the beginning I got to the northside warehouse, pushed a barrel towards the stone wall (at that point I climbed various barrels to access the back alley) and tried to mantle. Wasn't allowed to. I had to use a gas mine to knock out the guards. I tried to look for a house I could enter but didn't find one? Those three guards will not attack you until you pull out a weapon, as opposed to the guards on the street who try to kill you on sight. After you get the poker and walk outside, the door at the northside warehouse opens.

This FM remixes OMs: Assassins, The opera from Song of the Caverns and the warehouse part of Shipping and Receiving. It is huge and you have to take breaks. 4 hours and I am still going.

I did not like this.

>>5195289
You have until March 1st to vote. Plenty of time methinks.

>>5192426
And we have only one month to try them all. 25 diveded by 4 comes down to 6.25 missions each week. Overdrive!
This is my first time playing a GORT mission.

I dislike the converging patrol routes of the citizens and the guards. It becomes very difficult to predict your window of opportunity. The place with the bowman in front of the Keeper sign is a frustrating choke point. People just keep coming. When you knock someone out and a guard spots the body, they get riled up, start to move faster and have improved senses. This FM is quite punishing when you make a mistake. No way you are going to outrun those guards or fend them off. Good luck finding a spot where you can knock them all out. And if you get spotted in the Mages Area, a message pops up saying there are mages roaming the street. As long as you manage to survive that place, with a bowman that shoots 5 arrows at the same time, wizards with magic swords. Great! The Mages Area looks so nice, the magic stuff is amazing (apart from locking yourself in the Room of Statues if you don't have the bag of powder), but the placement of guards and wizards makes sneaking so difficult.

This FM is very rigid in steps you have to take. In the beginning I got to the northside warehouse, pushed a barrel towards the stone wall (at that point I climbed various barrels to access the back alley) and tried to mantle. Wasn't allowed to. I had to use a gas mine to knock out the guards. I tried to look for a house I could enter but didn't find one? Those three guards will not attack you until you pull out a weapon, as opposed to the guards on the street who try to kill you on sight. After you get the poker and walk outside, the door at the northside warehouse opens.

This FM remixes OMs: Assassins, The opera from Song of the Caverns and the warehouse part of Shipping and Receiving. It is huge and you have to take breaks. 4 hours and I am still going.

I do not like this.

>>5195293
Around, let's say, 12 weeks?

Don't miss out on The Upward Spiral. It came out the same day as the contest but wasn't part of it. It's pretty short and cool, and it has some peculiar (read: autistic) stylistic elements (especially in the readables).

>>5195245
Not him but if it wasn't for your SMT2 gif I wouldn't discovered his post. Thanks.

>>5194891
Damn. I kinda liked the mobility of gold.

what do you think bros? I'm not a fan of the upstairs bit, but I genuinely don't know what to do

>>5181520
>buying games on Steam that are available on GOG
Also TDS is fun if you get the mod (I forget the name) that removes a lot of loading screens and changes the HUD.

>>5195294
Oh good someone else who doesn't like it either. I just outright gave up on it when I got to the choke point you mentioned. I agree with everything you mentioned about the patrol routes and the certain steps required to play this FM, I will add that architecture is a little too simple for my taste and I don't like how much the opera house in this level matches the one from Song of the Caverns. One thing I found annoying was the abundance of marble flooring and lack of moss arrows.

>>5196108
It's easier for me to buy on Steam since I can use some card of my country. GOG requires paypal or credit card and I have neither.

Thief 1 and 2 are probably close to perfect games. It's been a fun 20 years. Glad to see the fan mission making community is still active.

>>5196143
If you look at the Opera from Song of the Caverns, you can also find simplistic architecture. The single texture hallways in the basement. Raoul's secret room. Gort made use of the textures and there are some very nice rooms. There is a reference to TDP here, considering the anniversary. I don't mind that it matches in textures. Or did you mean the architecture in general?
The opera in Song of the Caverns was elaborate. Lot of hallways and some secret passageways. The opera by GORT is very small. 3 levels. Two of them consist of a hallway with some seats for guests. No secret passageways. No readables about the place, apart from the scroll carried by someone outdoors. Certain doors can't be opened, giving me the impression the rest of the opera, part of the world is closed off. The marble floors and the riled up guards make traversing this place difficult.

It looks similar, but it does not play similar.

>>5180450
What is the number of the latest official version of NewDark now?

>>5196520
1.26

>>5194397
It would need a completely devoted developers who are ready to trow all modern game design to trashcan against the will of motherfucking Square-Enix so no, I don't think so.

>>5196382
To be honest, you should pirate the GoG games. The only ones who get money are Square Enix and they have as much to do with the original Thief as they have with Deus Ex.

mlem

>>5196087
Do something interesting by cutting holes in the floor and ceiling, or make a minstrel gallery somewhere that overlooks a 2-floor drop.

>>5195294
Yeah I won't lie, it's been exhausting so far.
The pieces that make up this mission don't go together well. I enjoyed the mixing of some classic Thief areas, even when they look a lot like the originals. It's what the player is supposed to do in those old places and what happens there that brings something new to the formula, but there's something off about both the objectives and the challenge.

The player must follow a linear, set path: there's nothing else to do beside what you're supposed to do, and only by doing that you'll be able to proceed. The only time this is done subtly is with the Mage's Guild entrance. It doesn't work as well with the rest of these transitions. The one you missed is the worst offender: a man appears and then attacks the three guards only if you've read a scroll about how he'll do that.
The emptiness of some areas make the mission look more like a maze than anything, where a wrong turn will just lead you to a dead end. Is it the intended purpose? You know what I think of this kind of stuff otherwise: don't show me a door if you don't want me to open it. Pic related is quite symbolic in that regard.

As for the difficulty, this FM is meant to be challenging, but sneaking past entire platoons of mutant guards isn't interesting enough to justify giving up on Thief's explorative side. Just like with pixelhunt FMs, exaggerating one side always makes the whole mission feel wrong. Even when a FM focuses on sneaking over exploration (or viceversa), the other element should still be there to support the main one. In this case, some of the stuff that makes this FM more challenging than others (like the guards that can't be blackjacked), instead of blending with the setting and mood, takes over to put the player to the test. I'm not against the introduction of new, maybe weird elements, like regular guards that can go berserk or the unpredictable patrol routes, but instead of being one of this FM's strenghts they feel out of place.

>>5197340
not drawn to scale cause i can't into art but yeah

>>5195042
That one post sounds fun, but aren't you supposed to call it Taoism rather than Daoism.

So what are you favorite anniversary contest missions so far?

Will T:Gold missions work if I play them in T2?

>>5198620
Take a guess.

>>5198532
So far I've played
>Darkness, Walk With Us
Really fun mission but the second half is pretty linear and some of the puzzles veer into adventure game logic territory (most of them are clever or at least sensible).
>Order of the Dew
Really short but alright. It's the author's first FM and was apparently made quickly in the last weeks before the deadline, shows promise if they decide to keep making FMs.
>Lord G
Very interesting premise and some nice details but the mission is pretty much unfinished and can very easily reach an unwinnable state. Its author is anonymous but it's seemingly their first FM. Could have been good if they were able to spend more time on it (they say they had less time available than expected).
>The Upward Spiral
Not a contest mission but it's amazing anyway.
>The Sound of a Burrick in a Room
By far the best one I've played. It's evidently skacky's entry despite the pseudonym. The scale is jaw-dropping especially when you get up on top of the church, yet I never got lost or wandered in circles with no idea where to go. Just really good stuff, as usual.

Currently playing The Burning Bedlam, it's really cool.

>>5180450
why the fuck they dont make these games like they used to anymore. i finished thief 1 like 1.5 month ago and it instantly went into my top 10 list just behind deus ex. that "hobby" isnt for me anymore...

>>5190698
Borrowed the original big box release from a friend at work. I was taffing my ass off for weeks for free in the summer of 2000

>>5199224
Did you rike it?

>>5199126
I recognize that carpet! It's from Constantine's shithole!

I'm weirded out by the pagans

>>5197402
(cont, probably 1/2)
I should have played the rest of the mission before being so harsh with it. It's still true that the first half of it, which sets up the second, feels a little rough around the edges, somewhat sterile, but what I said about the mission as a whole (it being maze-like, empty or the challenge feeling off) gets progressively less worse, a little more balanced and in some cases it stops being a problem.

The Mages' Guild, as you said, looks great. This one is a new take on the old concept. A school of wizardry, mysterious but also elegant, orderly a foundation. Most of its rooms have a role, no more dead ends. The problem is that, sometimes, it looks like those rooms are there just to give the player a hint/key/item, as if each readable or piece of loot is part of a treasure hunt the player is trying to win. Something's missing.
The loot situation is weird. It's not hidden too well, it's just scarce. You find lone pieces of loot after exploring empty areas that could have used some to feel more alive, interesting. The second half of the Thief backbone, the readables, are also lacking. They only refer to stuff that the player should absolutely know, reading like something that was hidden here and there to help us out. It's interesting, really, these two flaws don't hinder the player in any way: the loot requirement is low, and since the readables are so specific we know they're all important, simplifying our search for info. But they make everything seem artificial, like a Thief-themed amusement park.

I played Shadow Play tonight. I really enjoyed it. Took me a little over an hour on Expert, but I walk everywhere.

>>5199456
(I knew it, 2/2)
The level of the challenge is not as exaggerated as it looks at first. More than one big overdone challenge, the mission is a succession of three trials and the way the level looks, works and stands in the way of the player changes depending on what we're supposed to do. It's more like your classic level (it's a broad term, I know) than anything, just with a lot of back and forth. Not your classic Thief experience (which is funny, given the circumstances), but once the player accepts that's how things are, it starts making sense.
While the overcrowded streets of the first segment were an absolute no fun allowed zone, the mission then becomes interesting enough to justify most of the new, weird stuff it throws at you. Even the final ghosting objective wasn't so bad. I knew that area way too well because of the first part of the mission, so already knowing the right path to avoid all those guards felt satisfying.
Speaking of classics and celebrating the game and DromEd's roots, the "Don't do it-Fuck you for doing it" will never get old.

>>5199456
>>5199464
Started playing it.

Gonna stop for now. Gonna play the next one instead.

>>5198678
You can tell it's a Skacky mission cause its a BIG and TALL city. The boy loves building that type of shit.

And since the other BIG and TALL city map is by Melan, who inspired Skacky in the first place, it should be obvious.

Not sure why he went with a pseudonym though, maybe he wanted to see genuine reactions instead of "omg skacky you done did it again xd"? He does get jerked off a lot by the TTLG faithful, so I can understand wanting to remove a bias.

>>5199928
You can also tell because he posted screenshots of it ages ago but you're probably right that the pseudonym is probably just lessening name recognition for the sake of being fair in a competition. There are several missions with anonymous or aliased authors. It seems like Lost Among the Forsaken is DrK's, and maybe Catacombs of Knoss is Firemage's? Whistling of the Gears could be a new author but they provide a pseudonym, which would be weird if they didn't have a known name to start with. All of my guesses for who would've made that one are credited in the readme for various things.

>>5180450
I've love to see a TG or Thief 2 Fan Mission(if not set of fan missions) where you have psionic/magic powers. That and one that has enimeis from both Thief 1 and Thief 2.

>>5199636
I read about that man. He will pull his pants down and fart? Or does he just drop a gas mine? I don't expect someone to do the job for you. Someone mentions a place with something that allows you to enter the opera, so you think you can enter a house. You can't. However, you are given three gas mines. You don't have to wait for him, but I would have preferred a more silent way to enter.

In the loadout store you can buy a tip. It warns you about the fact that the behavior of the guards is similar to the watch in the city with the strange dogs? What is this referring to?

About the readables. I have seen some people on various platforms asking questions, to which the answer could be found in a vital scroll. I saw a playthrough on twitter. The person had entered the Mages' Guild. He didn't know what to do with a magic item he found and how to deal with the barrier. I believe the Mages' Guild Novice Poem that explains all of that. That poem can be found in one of the offices in the opera? Are you even able to return to that place after you forged the bracelet? I saw another one on TTLG asking how to get out of the Room of Statues. I alluded to it in a previous post. You need a heavy sack to pull a switch-a-roo like Indiana Jones, or else you will end up stuck in that room. That sack can be found in a classroom. In the other classroom there is a journal by a teacher that talks about a heavy sack. It is very hard to reach those classrooms, because of the guards (the guard placement is in general not great). Maybe people will not go there, because the placement scares them off (Oh, I'll deal with it later)? At least, I did until I stopped caring about getting spotted. The purpose of the sack is never hinted at in relation to the puzzle. You will have to reload once that gate closes.

>>5199464
I read about that man. He will pull his pants down and fart? Or does he just drop a gas mine? I don't expect someone to do the job for you. Someone mentions a place with something that allows you to enter the opera, so you think you can enter a house. You can't. However, you are given three gas mines. You don't have to wait for him, but I would have preferred a more silent way to enter.

In the loadout store you can buy a tip. It warns you about the fact that the behavior of the guards is similar to the watch in the city with the strange dogs? What is this referring to?

About the readables. I have seen some people on various platforms asking questions, to which the answer could be found in a vital scroll. I saw a playthrough on twitter. The person had entered the Mages' Guild. He didn't know what to do with a magic item he found and how to deal with the barrier. I believe the Mages' Guild Novice Poem that explains all of that. That poem can be found in one of the offices in the opera? Are you even able to return to that place after you forged the bracelet? I saw another one on TTLG asking how to get out of the Room of Statues. I alluded to it in a previous post. You need a heavy sack to pull a switch-a-roo like Indiana Jones, or else you will end up stuck in that room. That sack can be found in a classroom. In the other classroom there is a journal by a teacher that talks about a heavy sack. It is very hard to reach those classrooms, because of the guards (the guard placement is in general not great). Maybe people will not go there, because the placement scares them off (Oh, I'll deal with it later)? At least, I did until I stopped caring about getting spotted. The purpose of the sack is never hinted at in relation to the puzzle. You will have to reload once that gate closes.

How come people miss the essential information?

And after you grabbed the scepter, a door opens in the warehouse area. Why? Just another hurdle to go through or was there a reason storywise? At that point I gave up about getting spotted, so the route between the opera and the warehouse had a lot of NPCs. With the help of a flash bomb and a speed potion I was able get to the warehouse with relative ease, surprisingly. And why is there suddenly a ghosting objective?

About that door, as I was running away from the guards I opened it with the hope of an escape route. Didn't have the time to read the plaque. Oops.

>>5199636

Why won't the bashydoor property work on a footlocker or a moneybox?

Aw fuk u

>>5201987
I dont know why I settled on playing this before work this morning.

I can't handle this on 3 hours of sleep.

well, I switched to the Upward Spiral.
This readable is hilarious. Definitely reccomend it.

>>5201996
Spotted.

Now I am just chasing this guy all around town.

>>5202000
Catacombs of Knoss?

>>5202003
Upward spiral.


>>5201987
>>5201989
These are catacombs of knows, which I left off playing In the dark this morning because my nerves were too thin.

>>5201984
All bashydoor does is make the object susceptible to damage. The door script makes its object open and remove lock-related properties when it runs out of hitpoints, the container script does not.

So... what are you playing?

Post screens of your playthrough and tell us what you're thinking about.

>>5202127
So I did this:
- Game/Damage Model
Hit Points: 20
Max Hit Points: 20
Slay Result: No Effect
- Dark/BloodType: SawdustSplash
- Script>StdDoor
- BashyDoor
When the footlocker runs out of hitpoint, it becomes unlocked.
However, it doesn't open like the door, nor does the key have any effect on the lid.

>>5202460
I finished the Scarlet Cascabel tonight. It was amazing.

Is there any way to install Tfix without voodoo's retarded unnecessary changes to meshes and level design?

>>5202656
tfix lite

>>5202662
Didn't work. I did a fresh reinstall but the game still has cancer. And goddamn, if you're going to insist on changing a skybox into clouds generated using a perlin algorithm with too few iterations, the least have the courtesy of adding the sun in a direction that corresponds to the shadows.

>>5202683
Rename the MODS and PATCHES folders if they exist.

I'm a dastardly master thief
The chance of you actually catching me
Is but minimal I've maximum mastery
Mastered each of my skills to the max, you see
That's the key
I treat combat as last and least
Because I vastly prefer sneaking past with ease
But if I have to, I'll attack from the back, crack
Snatch your key and stash that in my knapsack
This isn't the way the planet has to be
Handcrafted skills killed by factories
Fat cats are treating talent nastily
Somebody has to redress the balance and it's me


I'm a thief, a man upon a mission
I'm a shadow in the corner of your vision
Taking all your things with no need for permission
I'm a man upon a mission, I'm a thief

>>5202690
that did the trick. What's with that modded skybox anyway? Whatever they used for generating the clouds was so primitive that you can see the mathematical footprint all over. Even the 256x256 original looks more realistic.

>>5202696
Can't tell if copypasta or newly made mini-fanfic...

One of the comfiest kitchens in the Thief universe

Is this a generic book texture? Found it in Shadow Play and don't think I've seen it in any other FM

Which one of you madlads made Station to Station?

>>5202897
It is. It's just an unused object. The Chalice of Souls uses it too.

>>5202897
The object is called "Playbill".

>>5202887
>>5202897
That better not be the Enhancement Pack I see.

What the hell's going on now? I lost stereo sound and the audio options window is all taffed up. I was having a hard time playing some of the anniversary mission and finally figured out that all of my audio is monaural.

>>5202954
why yes, of course it is the enhancement pack. Who doesn't enjoy an outlandish mix of hi-res textures and 4x4 px ones?

Just forgot to uncheck while reinstalling Tfix and now couldn't be bothered

>>5202978
You should be bothered, the new objects' dimensions don't match the old ones so you'll get a ton of object clipping while you're trying to play the contest missions.

>>5202987
Huh ok. didn't know it was that bad. Why did they even implement this then?

>>5202994
Because the developer of Tfix is retarded and literally thinks he knows better than Looking Glass.

>>5202968
Re-create a PATCHES folder and put the intrface.crf found in the renamed PATCHES into this new one. Should fix it.

>>5203039
I reinstalled twice and for some reason that fixed the problem even though the patches folder is renamed. I now made a new folder and moved the crf just in case. I just wanted to get rid of new meshes and skyboxes.

>>5202460
I've been playing The Whistling of the Gears and it was great for a while, but it drags itself out longer than it should. I'm at least past that part now and just finishing the side objectives.

>>5202468
For some reason I assumed that one wouldn't interest me but I don't remember why. About how long is it?

>>5203151
>About how long is it?
Took me roughly 3 hours.

>>5180450
Thief would be a perfect 3d game for wall jumping!
Also, a Thief Gold Fan Mission/set of FMs where you can use magic powers WHEN!?

>>5180450
Who are the best FM authors?

>>5202978
Yeah, I really hate that tfix has all the cosmetic enhancements ticked by default. Especially considering the people that actually want those are in the minority.

anyone got any christmas themed thief pics? I need a new discord avitar

>>5203459
I made this 9 years ago

I'm on my fourth mission in the contest so far, and none have held a candle to The Sound of a Burrick in a Room. It's a nice touch how it starts you in the same spot outside of the Overlord's Fancy in the Thieves Guild, and you can even go up to the guard outside and get some fun dialogue. Everything's well-connected, with plenty of secret passages and routes, landmarks, and such. Manages to have a good level of detail without feeling cluttered. It's a joy to explore, and figure out the politics of the merchants through readables while stealing from all of them.

If this isn't the best out of the contest, then I'm in for a goddamn treat

>>5203651
Which other ones have you played?

>>5203653
Darkness Walks With Us, which I'm taking a break on since it looks like I'll have to start over, since I didn't grab any of the hammers from the locker in the inn's pool, which I believe are needed to progress. And I can't get back up the rope to the fireplace. I'm liking it pretty well so far though, for a more horror-styled mission.

The Dewinder Manor, which was really short, simple, but still enjoyable for what it was.

I've been on An Enigmatic Treasure but haven't been enjoying it much. Lots of wide open streets with a near-endless stream of patrols, and exploring isn't really worth it. The opera house has only one entrance that an NPC makes accessible for you, and the ambient sounds that play inside are way too constant. The actual stage and viewing booths inside is an interesting setpiece, though. We'll see how I feel once I've finished it.

What ones have y'all done, which have you enjoyed?

I just finished Dewinder Manor. For a simple mission its design is obviously very gameplay-focused rather than on aesthetics. A great "first mission in a campaign" -mission.

>>5203661
>I didn't grab any of the hammers from the locker in the inn's pool
You don't need those.
>And I can't get back up the rope to the fireplace
You aren't supposed to.

Anyway, I've played
>Darkness Walk With Us
Really liked it, but as you can see it gets a bit cryptic. Not so much that you can't figure it out but enough that you might decide to ask for help anyway. The pressure plate that can only be weighed down with a statue's head was really stupid, why wouldn't Garrett standing on it have the same effect? You'd be forgiven for not even realizing it's a pressure plate after trying it with the wrong object to no avail.
>Lord G
Unfinished mission, some cool ideas and the premise is like something out of the Twilight Zone which is awesome, but it isn't developed at all and it's very easy to put the mission in an unwinnable state.
>The Burning Bedlam
Mostly linear, but designed in a way where it's not bothersome or even very noticeable. Old Quarter theme with great atmosphere, and the scale of some of the areas is cool.
>The Whistling of the Gears
It has an interesting layout with an incredible level of detail and captures the feeling of the end of TDP (>>5181001), but sometimes the architectural greebles get in the way of jumps which is irritating. The real problem is, as I said >>5203151, it's a great mission that finishes well after it should have ended. I can tell I'm going to enjoy replays more than the first time for that reason.
>Sound of a Burrick in a Room
My favorite so far, same as you. Despite being fucking gargantuan, it's just the right length. Where this mission gives you a nice shortcut back to the start by way of the burrick tunnels and the butcher shop, a similar mission might spring four more objectives on you and tell you to go on an easter egg hunt through the city you've already combed.

>>5203669
>>5203661
thanks senpaitachi I made it in like 2 weeks I tried my best

What's the best way to enjoy playing thief? Whenever I play stealth games I quicksave every 5 steps and reload when I get caught. I can't stop myself

>>5203886
1. Play through on Normal without saving. Use all of the tools available. Just do the objectives and complete the mission.
2. Play through on Expert but use quicksaves occasionally. Use everything you can use stealthily, do not be seen, explore and get as much loot as possible, and try to find secrets.
3. If you still need extra challenge, try to stay undetected without saving, try to ghost the mission altogether or if you're insane, ghost the mission without saving.

Some taffers also enjoy knocking out everyone and then exploring every nook and cranny in order to find every piece of loot.

I just finished playing Heart and Soul and I figured out why it's great. It uses the level design formula of The Sword, in that you can have an enjoyable maze that isn't overly confusing, if you make each area distinct. The mission can have all sorts of weird architecture and no ingame map as long as the maze isn't just a collection of identical hallways.

>>5203886
>What's the best way to enjoy playing thief?
Whichever you want. The "intended way of playing" is a meme.

>>5203886
IMO, try to keep saves for whenever you finish an objective. Saving every time you need to sneak past a guard is just going to make it more tedious than it actually is. Unless the mission absolutely forbids it, getting caught is not a mission failure, and you have a chance to run away. If you're in a shadow while getting chased, most cases you can just circle strafe the hostile guards and knock them out anyway.

If there's one thing I'd change about thief, it's to make it so KO'd guards/civilians get woken up if other guards find their body. Cause when you really think about, KOs in Thief are basically just kills that don't fail the "don't kill civilians/anyone" objectives.

>>5203773
The little electrified water puzzle in the basement was nice. Is the only solution to use an arrow to hit the elevator button while the generator is on? It actually took me a little bit before I remembered that one elevator in T2's Shipping & Receiving

>>5203773
>>5204198
Wait, my bad, I mixed up the basement in Darkness Walks With Us with the Dewinder Manor. However, I did blackjack the sleeping servant in the basement before reading their diary and realized they were the one to get word out to Garrett in the first place, which was fun.

>>5204118
This, or a limit on the amount of folks you can KO

This is probably really autistic but for some reason I only knock people out if i can place them on a nearby bed or something

>>5204416
The best thing is to put two KO'd NPCs together on a bed, then drop some wine bottles nearby. Imagine them explaining that to the sir.

>>5204430
I think Arkane made it into an actual mechanic in Dishonored 2 that you could knock out guards and carry them into beds, and then guards patrolling the barracks wouldn't be suspicious seeing them sleeping.

How the hell do you escape Lord G? It isn't enough that the loot requirement is insane and the house is 75% solid rock, there are no hints on where the player should go in order to get out. I even managed to glitch outside the walls after exhausting every exterior gate just in case the mission end would trigger once I'm outside, but no matter where I go I can't end the mission. It's a shame because of how much the creator put detail on the outside areas of the mission zone.

>>5204621
Did you find the door to the treasury?

>>5204624
No. I found The Eye in the chimney and got past the loot goal. If the mission doesn't let me leave now, it gets 0/10.

>>5204630
In the room on the top floor of the manor past the patrolling guard, there's a locked room (key is on one of the passive ai's on the first floor) with a small switch I think beneath a table. That opens a secret door to the treasury, which is locked but there's another key which opens the gate by the greenhouse. Also the mission actually is unfinished but it ends pretty shortly after that.

>>5204636
Okay I finally got to the cutscene legit and didn't trap myself outside the level, but then when I got back to the treasury door, the key had vanished from my inventory. So I decided that the mission was over.
Seriously though, the fundamental design of this mission from an objectives standpoint is completely contrary to how Thief missions should go. In fact it's contrary to how objectives themselves should work in a game in general. When your base objective is X and Escape, the player should be able to Escape when X is completed. You can't change objectives in an obscure area that the player potentially never runs into when in the middle of completing X and then base the Escape objective around new objectives. Take Thief 2's Blackmail for example. The first part of the mission is pretty open, but eventually it bottlenecks you as you approach your main objective, and the player inevitably comes across the objective change. When the main objective is a loot total and the only other objective is to escape, you have to allow the player to escape because there is no guarantee that they'll reach the twist.

Where the fuck are the blueprints in Whistling of the Gears? I found the note that mentions a locker in Tudor's quarters but I see no such thing.

>>5204665
What's funny is that the treasury leads to a point of no return. If you reach that without meeting the loot goal (probably impossible without finding the well-hidden Eye), you're trapped and can't win. The texturing in the final area also makes it very clear how unfinished the mission is. I think the tweest is pretty cool though, would like to see what the author would do with it if they had enough time.

>>5204678
The mission has a lot of cool features, but it's basically broken. It's got a courtyard surrounding the entire house instead of something just in the front, which makes the whole location feel more real. Outside the walls there is actual distant geometry ie. space doesn't just begin beyond the gate. A thinking player can expect specific things. For example I assumed that there would be an external servant house, and servants would have some kind of access to the main house. And they do. The best thing in this kind of non-linear level design is when you can use deductive reasoning and it actually works.

Does the Thief universe have official names for the months? I've noticed that some readables in fan missions have had arbitrary names for months. Dishonored has its own unique names, related to fishing mostly. I just read up on the origins of the month names in my language and it's actually pretty interesting. And kinda edgy, considering that November is just the death month.

Month of Mid Winter
Month of Ice Beads
Month of Earth's Return
Month of Slash-and-Burn
Month of Sowing Seeds
Month of Set-Aside
Month of Rot
Month of Fall
Month of Mud
Month of Death
Month of Yule

>>5200997
>How come people miss the essential information?
A side effect of the readables problem I didn't consider at first. Not only a lack of redables detracts from a mission's personality, but when most of them contain important info that is mentioned only once, it means that finding that readable is automatically part of completing the objective, and there's no way around that. You either find the book that specifically refers to the problem you're facing or you're left in the dark. I got lucky since I usually explore buildings by looking in every room before going for the obviously important ones, so I ended up gathering all the info I needed.
While it makes sense for someone's secret to be found only in a diary (like in the rogue guard's case), a matter that concerns more than a few characters should be mentioned more than once, so that not only it will feel like that episode is part of the FM's bigger story, but it will also give the player a chance of understanding what to do with that information.

>And why is there suddenly a ghosting objective?
If I had to guess, it's to prevent you from just dashing through the streets and get to the exit point with the entire guild after you, but still safe (and the Builder knows I tried). It forces you to pay attention, once again, to the renewed guards' placement, just like it did at first by telling you to pickpocket a woman who's pratically escorted by an elite team of supersoldiers. The mission is all about following the instructions instead of figuring out a solution. Many of its parts, like the cutscenes that arbitrarily tell you where to go or the man that attacks the guards only if you approach him, don't need to be understood.
That's not exactly Thief's spirit, but that's not necessarily a bad thing either. It depends on what one's looking for in a FM. I do think this mission in particualr didn't manage to be "not Thief, but still good", and that's ultimately what matters.

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/kingslayer-bundle
go play styx you old taffers

>>5204723
Frimas is what day of the month?
Didn't Melan cook up some stuff about that?

>>5204723
Frimas is what day of the week?
Didn't Melan cook up some stuff about that?

Fair ways into Lost Among The Forsaken. Fantastic atmosphere, really phenomenal so far.
>First step into the lost quarter
>Ruined bridge, buildings
>See bodies the thugs dumped below
>Thin layer of fog on the ground
>Undead moans in the distance
I'm pretty much sold on this one, I always liked the Old Quarter for how unsettling the whole place is. Lots to find too, it seems, and a couple neat touches like the wooden bridge over the river near the scrapper's hideout that collapses beneath your feet
Really excited to see what else this mission has in store, it's teased plenty of things through the readables and conversations already.

>>5205528
So that one has Scrappers too? That makes me all the more curious who made Whistling of the Gears, since everyone I would have guessed seems to have done something else.

>>5205562
I'm pretty sure there was a certain amount of coordination between some of the authors, or maybe just pulling from other fanmissions and their lore, factions, characters, etc.
I'm pretty sure there's been at least a few references between a few of the missions I've played that aren't already canon, but I could be wrong.

>>5205570
The scrappers are at least in Whistling of the Gears and Forsaken, and Gears references one of the lords who own a manor in Sound of a Burrick in a Room. Burrick in a Room is skacky's so I would have guessed Whistling of the Gears is by squadafroin since they work together and it has a similar feel to Watery Grave, but apparently he was a tester for the mission rather than its author.

I just looked at my list of FMs, and see a conspicuous similarity in the way some missions are tagged (Catacombs of Knoss and Dirty Money are also tagged that way).

>>5205483
>29th Frimas 834
>8th Saturday 2018
I'm pretty sure that's a month name.

I'm getting performance hitches every time T1 has to fetch a new sound file to play. Is there a known solution? Or can I improve performance by extracting the sound crf into a directory of the same name inside the RES directory?

>>5205692
Update: Extracting the CRF didn't do anything.

I just got the talisman of air in catacombs of Knoss
HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
FUUUUUUUCK
FFUUUUUUUUUUUCCKKKK
THIS IS EVEN WORSE COMPARED TO THE CHALICE OF SOULS

fuck you magical lamps
the tricksters balls you are

>>5205578
>I just looked at my list of FMs, and see a conspicuous similarity in the way some missions are tagged (Catacombs of Knoss and Dirty Money are also tagged that way).

I think that's just most people not knowing/not caring about the FM.ini file.

I've seen people refer to "prefect arches" in dromed, what is that?

Where am I supposed to use the remains of Knoss?

>Darkness, Walk With Us
So uh, how do I get the expensive brush set?
I've done pretty much everything else.

>>5206276
The journal behind the bar tells you what to do.

>>5205562
Whistling of the Gears is by Firemage, his email is in the readme.

>>5206276
>>5206291
Even with the journal, I had a lot of trouble finding it.
There's a tiny switch on the left side of the doorframe

Is this unfiltered textures?

>>5206705
No.

I try to make a room where it rains, but the editor says it can't find rain texture.

>>5202468
I'm trying this one right now and I like it, but I'm in the village and something that stands out in a bad way is the almost total lack of ambient sound. It's like the authors never figured out environmental ambients and even the radial ones are sparse, which is weird since most of the rest of the mission is skillfully made.

>>5206783
They were one a very tight schedule so that explains a certain lack of polish in the first mission.

Could anyone help me? I'm using FMSel 1.1.2 for Thief 2 Final 1.25, and every time I choose to play/start a FM, it just gets me to "Thief 2: The Metal Age has stopped working".

>>5180450
how decent is the dark mod?

>>5206816
A lot of it depends on the mission you're playing, since there's no built-in campaign of any kind yet. I wouldn't say it's the true Thief 4, but it's the closest to a modern Thief that you can get, even if the visuals of the engine are already pretty dated. The whole thing is a bit of a mixed bag. Dynamic lighting is excellent to have, but the audio design doesn't sound as good as T1/2 particularly some of the voice acting, IMO. The lockpicking mechanic is more involved and interesting, but the movement feels rather clunky maybe it's just because I'm so used to T1/2's movement
Overall, it's worth checking out regardless of some of the issues because, you know, it's free, and there are some quite good missions for it. It's just that there's far more FMs for T1/2, and people are still making them. If you're interested in making missions, I'm not sure how TDM compares- I assume it's easier than making things in DROMED but I could be wrong.

>>5205806
Lol is that the chittering one or the transparent one or the ones in the water?

>>5205806
This is Banepositng Thief style.

Playing Haplo's mission. I have everything but the gas arrow. How the fuck do I get there? I searched the burrick caves high and low.

>>5207350
Have you gotten to the strange portal by the apemen houses and pond? There's a cave around there that leads to it, it's easy to miss

>>5206732
How to make them unfiltered? Tried these, wasn't helpful.

>>5207560
Ok, I found it!

tex_filter_mode 0 seems to be working

>>5206934
RATTLE ME BONES

>>5207569
don't comment out lm_filter options or else you get blocky shadows

>>5207659
> lm_filter
It's like there aren't visible ladders on shadows anyway. Like that it looks even more realistic with single and weak light sources e.g. candles and lamps, giving them sharp shadow borders like on the screen.

What are some small FMs with interesting layouts aside from The Tower? I'm working on a comfy little winter mission but I have trouble balancing the small size with good stealth gameplay.

>>5208096
Precious is pretty nice.

>>5208096
mine saga is an underrated set of four small but really good and thematically varied missions

>>5208096
Zealot's Hollow is the best small mission I've played. It's only a 64 cubed mission but it's incredibly dense. Whistling of the Gears from the contest is similarly dense but on a much bigger scale.

>>5208096
Watery Grave is kinda small but well polished!

>>5208096
Ack! There's a Zombie in the Basement and Sinful Opportunities are also classic byte-sized missions. The Cell Next Door is also pretty good (but it's broken on NewDark, so look for a fix on TTLG).

>>5207569
There are several lines one should edit to fully disable filtering.

movie_sw_scale_quality 0
;this removes the resampling when cutscenes are stretched to fullscreen resolutions

lm_mipmap_mode 0
;this disables filtering of mipmaps, ie. reduced resolution texture alternatives for distant rendering

;tex_filter_trilinear
;this disables trilinear filtering for extreme angle perspective distortions, something that wasn't possible in the original software renderer. Remember to include the semicolon.

;square_parts_as_disks
;this I believe disables filtering of the textures of particle sprites

>>5204807
I will probably never play this mission again.
I did like Catacombs of Knoss.

So what's y'alls favorite mission so far from the contest?

Downtowne Funk, Sound of a Burrick and Rose Garden are all kinda on the same level, I can't really decide which one to pick. Each does one thing better than the others its hard to choose.

Never played a Thief game. Currently thinking on getting into it. Which ones should I play? Didn't hear good things about the modern one. The first 3? Any mods or anything I should know before playing/buying?

>>5180450
You guys should have a FAQ/resource pastebin like the /doom/ thread. So you don't have to answer "how do I get this to work, what's the newest version, which thief should I play" as often.

>>5209301
Speak of the devil.
Thief 1 is great, Thief 2 is great for different reasons (some people disagree which is greatest and whether one or the other is great at all, or merely "good". Thief 3 is pretty good imo (there is debate about this). NuThief is hot garbage.
You want the NewDark patch for Thief 1 and 2 (TFix, or Tafferpatcher are ways to get it, but I just get the main release, personally), and you want... shit what was it called... Some patch for Thief 3 that fixes a lot of it's consolitus. I'm sure someone here remembers the name.

>>5209309
thanks anon sorry for asking the retard question

>>5209319
It's a legit question, just a common one.
I would like to know the name of the Thief 3 patch though... Thought I downloaded it, but I can't find it anywhere atm.

>>5209329
Sneaky Upgrade.

>>5209338
thx babe

>>5209301
The Dark Project (Gold) and II:The Metal Age are pretty much the two that must be played. And once you're done with their main campaigns, there are plenty of great Fan Missions to play as well.

>>5194718
its like medieval with some technology involved and a very dark setting

Here's how I'd rate things so far. Downtowne Funk and Making a Profit have the lead so far. Heart and Soul is only behind because of simple mission genre preference.

>>5209304
good idea

Do Thief 1 and Thief 2 require the use of a mouse like Ultima: the Stygian Abyss, and both System Shock games do?

>>5211452
no you could play it keyboard only if you want to since you don't have to involve yourself in combat

>>5211452
>>5211484
Even still, trying to grab loot and using the bow for water, rope, and moss arrows without a mouse isn't ideal. Point is, you can play without a mouse, but why wouldn't you?

>>5208969
And I played a bit of 'The Sound of a Burrick in a Room' and 'The Whistling of the Gears'. I've complained a while ago that guards can't follow you. They can't climb or jump. The setting changes the challenge. When walking on the streets, you have to dodge guards and stay in the shadows. You have to wait for your window of opportunity to go from place to place safely or else you will get cut to pieces. When you walking on the roof, it goes from sneaking to platforming. You have to time the jumps. You have to carefully shoot your rope arrow. Try to find your footing when you landed on a narrow ledge. Pray that Garrett mantles. If he does mantle, pray he doesn't stop halfway.

Keepers need you again to solve their problems.

>>5208969
I also played a bit of 'The Sound of a Burrick in a Room' and 'The Whistling of the Gears'. I've complained a while ago that guards can't follow you. They can't climb or jump. Does it really matter?
The setting changes the challenge. When you are on the streets, you have to dodge guards and stay in the shadows. You have to wait for your window of opportunity to go from place to place safely or else you will get cut to pieces. When you are on the roof, it goes from sneaking to platforming. You have to time the jumps. You have to carefully shoot your rope arrow. Try to find your footing when you landed on a narrow ledge. Pray that Garrett mantles. If he does mantle, pray he doesn't stop halfway.

Keepers need you again to solve their problems.

>>5211452
You mean does it have the clunky, antiquated control scheme of Ultima Underworld and System Shock. No. The game has full mouselook. The default control bindings for Thief 1 are still a bit weird but you can easily rebind them. They fixed this for Thief 2 - and I would recommend using Thief 2's defaults on Thief 1

Now that enough time has passed, do any of the new maps feel or play like Rowena's Curse in terms of proper thieving while also spooks?

>>5212187
Scarlet Cascabel. Big time.

Has Tfix improved the AI? I've noticed that one can no longer knock out someone if there is someone else standing nearby without causing them to go to yellow alert.

>>5212923
IIRC NewDark is based on Thief 2's engine, so Thief 2's AI behavior is a side effect of using it on Thief 1.

Am I allowed to mention Thief 3 here and ask you if it's a good game? I kinda suck at T1 and 2 (have to savescum a lot) so maybe T3 would be just the right game in the series for me, since it's supposedly easier

>>5213067
Thief 3 is fine. It's just more clunky and a bit casualized. The third person player model's animations interfere with all of your movements, expert difficulty killing restriction was removed, and all loot objectives are standardized into a very gamey "3-uniques and a percentage" -format.
However there are things that hardly anyone mentions that Thief 3 actually did better than the previous games. For example, footstep volume on different surfaces was balanced better so there's actually a full gradient of different volumes, not just extremely silent and extremely loud volumes. Also, using world objects and using inventory items have separate keys now, and the compass is unintrusively always visible on screen.
And of course, full dynamic lighting allows expanded manipulation of shadows for your advantage. There's even a part where you can use the shadow of a patrolling NPC to sneak past hostiles to your objective.
If you like savescumming, then you're out of luck with T3 because the loading screens have a static load delay based on the progress bar graphic, that cannot be accelerated no matter how powerful your PC is. Every time you load it takes just as long as it did 14 years ago.

>>5211823
Is there a FM where you play as a Keeper?

Thief is a good game.

>>5215734
But not a good Thief game.

>>5215738
Oh 2014? That's not even a good game.

>>5215734
>>5215738
>>5215770

Thief is inferior to Hitman.

>>5215969
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

>>5180450
Does Thief have a mod where you can change to 3rd person?

Thief was fucking boring and the supernatural elements were anticlimatic when I play something called Thief I wanna steal shit not hide from zombies

is Thief 2 better?

>>5216001
>game was fucking boring
>is game 2 that runs on the same engine with the same core gameplay better?

Hmmmst

>>5216001
no, you don't steal anything in 2 and play as a glorified spy for the most part

>>5215981
No. Deadly Shadows can be played in third person from the get to, though.

>>5216001
But you steal all the goddamn time in Thief 1. Grave robbing is thieving.

>>5216001
>when I play something called Thief I wanna steal shit not hide from zombies
Most of the levels that have undead/monster enemies are still involving you stealing. It's only the final couple of levels that stray away from that.

>>5216001
Thief 2 has more human-based levels, but besides the usual gold requirement, the objectives in most of them tend to lean more towards espionage, rather than actual thieving.

>>5216056
>>5216090
It's really a shame, because some of the settings in Thief 2 would make for perfect thieving levels. Like for crying out loud, there's a bank level, and the story reason you're there is to grab a recording to use as evidence? It doesn't even have a gold requirement on any difficulty.

>>5216106
It's because of brainlets like >>5216001 that Thief 2 is how it is.

>>5216108
Nothing that Thief2 Fan Missions can't fix!

>>5196382
You can use prepaid credit cards on GOG store.

>>5216736
Steam allows more than just credit card and (where applicable) Webmoney payments. There's also Steam Wallet Deals cards.

https://i.imgur.com/2G3WlFc.mp4

Why do people think this In & Out mission is so good? I think its mediocre and nostalgia pandering.

>>5217087
Who would have ever anticipated nostalgia in a contest prompted by the 20th anniversary of a video game

>>5217087
Because it's a well designed mission?

>>5217093
Yes, but take off the rose tinted glasses and its pretty much a meh mission.

>>5217107
Arguably only the first 3 areas (cathedral, sewers and crypt) are nice. It falls off after that.

>>5217134
I didn't really care for the Lost City bit but I really liked the last one.

What’s the consensus on the newest one, 4?

>>5217342
it's great, don't listen to the contrarians

>>5217342
It's terrible and you should stay away from it.

>>5217342
So terrible, it makes Dishonored's fairly lackluster stealth system look great in comparison.

>>5217342
Imagine the mandatory linear stealth section from any modern FPS, now stretch that out until you've got something long enough to sell as a full game and congratulations, you've experience the Thief reboot.

Never played this series before, is the best way to play still with tafferpatcher/t2fix? Without the HD packs of course, I've seen that memed on /v/ before and they look pretty gaudy.

Also what is the easiest way to play fan missions after I finish the main games?
I assume there's an archive for missions somewhere much like Doom/Quake mods right?

>>5217342
Misleading title, that game is not Thief, despite it has the same name. Just like Prey 2017 is not actual Prey.

>>5217465
You can play whatever way you want. Tfix/Tafferpatcher is good. HDpack is good, just turn off the meme features like bloom\HDR and BLOOD SCREEN, to not cause eyestrain on second hour of play in the dark corners with HDR. Textures are beautiful, but you can play with original w/ disabled filtering for quake-skue retro aesthethics and oldfag approval.

>>5217342
I actually thought it had some really cool ideas, like the highly customizable difficulty (something I really, really wish was available in older Thief games), and the AI is honestly far better than any other Thief game. I remember trying to lure two guards away from a doorway by throwing a bottle off to the side and was dismayed when all I accomplished was making them both alert while one looked for the disturbance and the other continued to guard the door. I love Thief, but it was always far too easy to dispatch the braindead guards in every game.

However, the story is retarded and most of the cool supernatural elements that made the original games have such an interesting setting are all mostly vacant, and the levels themselves are much more linear and not as much fun to explore and traverse. New Garrett also sucks because he's no longer a sarcastic, reluctantly heroic charmer, but a generic brooding protagonist with zero personality not voiced by Stephen Russell. The only thing I really remember about the gameplay itself was that you couldn't jump, and iirc, you had to use a context sensitive key to get on top of ledges, which could lead to some frustrating moments where the game thinks you wanted to do something else because consoles. Also, swooping was stupid.

>>5217465
>Never played this series before, is the best way to play still with tafferpatcher/t2fix? Without the HD packs of course, I've seen that memed on /v/ before and they look pretty gaudy.

yes

>Also what is the easiest way to play fan missions after I finish the main games?

Use fmsel, it comes with the updates. Lots of ways to start it, i use -fm switch in a shortcut.

>I assume there's an archive for missions somewhere much like Doom/Quake mods right?

In order of freshness:

Forums are best for the very latest releases. Sort the Fan Mission forum by thread created time.
http://www.taffersparadise.co.uk
http://www.southquarter.com/fms/missions_view.php
http://thiefmissions.com/

If you are just starting out, then I suggest you google suggested missions* as an entry point, it will take awhile for you to find what you like if your tastes are specific. Some missions will piss you off, don't let that deter you from exploring others.

* https://www.google.com/search?q=thief+recommended+missions

>>5217465
>I've seen that memed on /v/ before and they look pretty gaudy
The memes are real.
>tafferpatcher/t2fix
TFix is for Thief Gold, tafferpatcher is for Thief 2 (there is no Thief2fix). Both of these are pretty much just configurations of the underlying NewDark engine upgrade. TFix has a lite version that you should go with, just follow the instructions in pic related and do >>5208559 if you want tasty unfiltered textures. Tafferpatcher is a bit out of date so if you care about those unfiltered textures, you'll just have to install the latest version of newdark (1.26) instead and configure it.
>Also what is the easiest way to play fan missions after I finish the main games?
Newdark's built in fan mission loader, also described in pic related.
>I assume there's an archive for missions somewhere much like Doom/Quake mods right?
http://www.taffersparadise.co.uk
https://www.thiefguild.com