/vr/ - Retro Games

It's the reason refunds exist.

>>5178110
Roguelite with monster raising, dating Sim and city building elements.

I played it for hours as a teen but never beat it. There were better games.

>>5178453
you're just bad
>>5178110
it's about becoming a man and stepping out of your missing father's shadow

you raise monsters and challenge the dungeon to raise money and revitalize the economy of your village, impressing girls and making your mama proud

by the end you can basically be the mayor and have like 7 waifus, but all you have to do is make it to the final floor to see the ending

best girls are Selfi and Fur

>>5178463
>best girls are Selfi and Fur

>>5178463
>Selfi
I cannot agree more

the game's music was so obnoxious sounding lol

>>5178480
why don't you show us an example of what you think is good

>>5178463
>Fur
Good taste. Selfi's alright, though I always did consider her the canon love interest since she's the only one in both games that's romantically involved with you. My second and third favorites were Cherrl and Nico specifically.

>>5178480
I enjoy the soundtrack, but I can understand why people would find it annoying; there's only so many times where you go through the tower that you can enjoy the same tunes over and over, and the earlier floors tend to be a bit grating because of it.

This was one of my first PSX RPGs. I remember obsessing over the waitress. Upgrading the village was a cool feature, so was the whole dating aspect. I have a Japanese strategy guide around here somewhere, it has a bunch of character art. Anyway, good shit.

>>5178468
Mia* and Fur.

>>5178480
I loved the middle eastern inspired theming, music included. One of my favorite games of all time.

Why is everyone so hideous

Gamedev here.
If I make a spiritual successor (ie ripping off the format), what things was the game missing that could be better?

>>5179492
if you like cherrl you're probably a predator

>>5179727
because modern anime has destroyed your sense of taste

>>5180446
definitely not horrible pokemon ideas that are just a mash up of two words from the dictionary to make some sort of robot/animal/magically animated doll monster

>>5180446
Better mons.

>>5180446
Honestly mystery dungeon type games have been done to death already. Anything you could think of has been tried before.

>>5180446
More interactions with your waifus, Your game better have waifus

>>5180489
>sense of taste

I bought Tao's Adventure from what I've read it's worse than Azure dreams, any experiences with this?

>>5180487
But she's older than the protagonist. The only two that were younger were Mia and Patti, and I know several people online loved the former. The only girl that's 18 is Vivian anyways, and she isn't much to write home about.
>>5182039
Tried it for a bit, could not get into it at all. I noticed that none of the floors seemed to be randomly generated, and it was just as easy to leave as it was to appear on a higher floor on the tower. Even your familiar is kind of dull compared to Kewne.

>>5180446
More interesting points of interaction in the dungeon, kind of like some of the stuff that randomly appears in the dot hack games, like golden axe fountains, mechanical grunties, random ass NPCs that need help. Also the dungeons could use more biomes and interesting rooms than boring noodle mazes. Something more like the procedural generation in XCOM 2. There should be lava, water tiles that increase electric damage, etc...

The game also should have had a boss fight every 10 floors.

Your main character could have had more gear, like helmet/armor/shield/accessory

The monsters should have had more moves, and less of a focus on boring physical attacks. That way there's more strategy.

>>5180540
Not really. Most of them are samey as fuck. Etrian mystery dungeon, Pokemon mystery dungeon, and this are honestly the only interesting roguelikes ever made. Most are generic trash made by one guy for $5 over the course of a single weekend.

>>5180446
A lot of the town features seem a little half-baked, like the monster shop that never sells any monsters - you could sell your monsters to them but money isn't anywhere near a valuable resource since they're mostly used for unlocking waifus - any tower related supposed town upgrades like the Blacksmith is almost entirely worthless.

Speaking of waifus, it also kinda suck that their plotlines end after they become your girlfriend - it would be nice if there was more scenes than just kissing you each morning

>>5182442
>Etrian mystery dungeon
>interesting
It's pretty bland and broken. It only gets a pass because it's part of the EO series and you know it.

>>5182442
Etrian Mystery Dungeon is awful

>>5182039
Tao's Adventure is fucking garbage compared to Azure Dreams

You're better off playing the port of Azure Dreams for the GBC than that shitheap

>>5182725
The latter had a neat intro tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLyP9ry_qKg

>>5178480
The only good song in the game was Fur's theme, who, incidentally, was the only good girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN8d_jMMOs0

>>5184331
I've been playing this on my 3DS, while it's vastly inferior to the PS version it's still been enjoyable

>>5184302
Selfi is the best girl tho

>>5184302
My favorite track is actually "Memories of Hero's Father"

>>5185967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBlqEII7C_A

the game honestly has really good music I don't know why anyone would think it's bad

>>5180446
Combine elements of both games.
>Have other people wandering the tower, your rival being one of them, so you aren't the only godly dude who can go past the first few floors. Maybe people that give advice, provide items, point out exit, whatever.
>Once the main story (getting to the top) is complete, allow for the 99 floor basement to be a gauntlet.
>After reaching a certain floor, selling enough eggs, whatever the case, the general store can sell better quality weapons/shield, monster shop actually offers monsters, etc.

Other things to think about.
>Better waifu trees in general, the original has it so once you finish a girls story, she's doomed to say one or two things before repeating herself for life.
>The gym that can be created in the original served no purpose, what if it provided a permanent buff to HP, Attack, or Defense, and could only be used once per day? There would be a limit of course, but it allows the building to serve a better purpose.
>More weapons perhaps, there was just swords and wands in the original, but maybe other weapons can be added (two handed mace/axe that allows for more damage but you take more since you don't wield a shield, as an example).
>More focus on the town in general. As it gets bigger, more stuff can be sold in the general shop.

>>5187958
I like all those points
>Have other people wandering the tower, your rival being one of them, so you aren't the only godly dude who can go past the first few floors. Maybe people that give advice, provide items, point out exit, whatever.
this happens in the GBC version. I'd also like different skills you can invest into such as different magic schools and weapons skills

Wow, timely thread as I was playing this game on GBC last week.

It's a good game concept, art, music, it's just totally half baked and feels incomplete.

>>5180446
I would honestly build up on the game itself and fill it out more rather than do a successor to it with a different storyline etc.

This game should get a full remake

I've heard there's shit missing from the ENG release. Something about the dating sim aspect being more fleshed out and involved in the JPN version. Is this true?

>>5190398
Not really. I think the only thing missing from the US version is the voice acting.

>>5180446
just pull a stardew bro its ez

Chad simulator

>>5180446
The interesting parts of the game were all in the town, seeing it change, playing minigames, talking with townspeople and the dating sim.
The mystery dungeon aspect was weak as all hell and could be repaced with literally anything else and it'd probably be better for it.

>>5190398
Nope, all the rumors about marriage or gay romances are false - only thing that was removed was the voice acting

Thanks to this thread, I just sank 3 hours of my Saturday into this game. I regret it. Why do you reset to level one every time you leave the tower? Literally reset your stats to level 1 AND start the tower over again on floor 1. What's the fucking point of making progress? Thanks, /vr/, for nothing.

>>5192884
>anon doesn't know

>>5194101
f-fucking tell me!

>>5192884
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike

>>5194338
nuh-uh

>>5192884
your monster(s) level normally
also, you can upgrade your sword and shield with red and blue sands, so your level is much less significant than you assume

>>5192884
This faggot here.
I've sunk another 3+ hours in.
I'm starting to get it. I'm starting to like it.
But...I don't know if I like it enough. I'm gonna keep going.
But
>why doesn't the item shop sell anything other than copper swords and overpriced herbs?
>why all this shitty grammar and poorly explained directions?
>why are the starting girls (Nico, Fur, Selfi) shit? Patty seems alright, but all she does is sell me food.
>How do I make mad money so I can buy nice things?

what games can I play that are similar to this fucking good videogame?

snack is gay

>>5199221
rune factory

>>5198395
OK. I'M ADDICTED.
But I'm also on the verge of burn out. Grinding is getting old.
Cheryl best girl. A Mia or Patty is fine, too.

>>5198395
To answer your questions.
>probably just not able to program it in or something, but the Gameboy Color version did have more weapons and stuff available as you went on, so they eventually did think about it. Lots of file space was actually used for voice lines from the girls themselves in the Japanese versions, and they simply removed it from the translated versions
>the game is poorly translated in general, just a case of 90s translations. I mean, for fucks sake, the game name drops itself, but the translation interpreted it as "sky-colored" dream
>up to your opinion, I personally like the starting ones besides Patti. Cherrl is good though.
>save up for the casino (talk to the priest twice after upgrading the church). Once there, you can place tons of money in games, and just start to learn the timing on them. Save before each attempt. If you lose money, reset, and if you gain money, save. Repeat for infinite money.

>>5201397
Yeah, the game can be a bit tiresome by the end, but it's usually worth getting to the final floor at least (the 40th). With decent monsters and an upgraded gold sword/training wand and diamond/mirror shield, it becomes far easier.

>>5192884
Monsters keep their levels so that's something that can be utilized for the long run.

You honestly don't even really need really good gear to reach the top, I'm pretty sure there's probably people who have won on fresh runs.

>>5202193
Best I ever did was 33.

I should try again soon.

>>5202193
I had a win on the second run once. Getting it the first run should be possible if you're lucky enough to find all the genus shields (ice/earth/scorch) and some monsters with ranged mix magic.

>>5194338
Roguelikes are a heck of a genre.

>>5201884
Alright, thanks. Thanks a lot. Still going at it.

>>5198395
>Selfi
>shit
Opinion discarded

>>5202395
All you need to find is a block egg and an arachine eggs and fuse them and it’s unstoppable at level 25+

>>5204556
I always found a kid/dragon with an arachne fusion to be the game breaker, since keeping it fed is nominal

>>5204556
>>5205025
or just fuse a nyuel with a clown, revert it's element back to water, and nuke literally everything with endless fusion magic

>>5204545
But...she is.
She is selfish as her name implies, she's rude, she's petulant, and she doesn't accomplish anything in the tower. I guess we'll see if my opinion changes as I progress her story, but right now, she's just annoying.
Meanwhile, Patty works for a living and maintains a cheerful and professional attitude, Cheryl has dreams, and Mia is at the very least interesting.

>>5204556
>>5205025
>>5205059
A manoeva alone would probably be enough too, considering all the dumb shit you can do with one (unlimited MP recovery, infinite barong farming, duping items with picket)

>>5205717
Selfi is the only character who flat out accepts you for who you are with no strings attached.

>>5185968
It's sour as shit.

>>5206846
If she calls me Puffy Lips one more time, I'm gonna wop her in the gabber.

>>5207358
Selfi is obviously canon waifu though, is Beldo her dad?

>>5207456
I dunno who that is yet, m8.

>>5207456
>cuck Beldo by fucking his daughter
I like it

>>5180446
be sure to write it in gamemaker, every good indie requires gamemaker to be successful. these are just facts.