/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5174997

not much of a debate. thief is fucking boring

>>5175002
>He says while waiting for the 26 minute unskippable cutscene to end.

Gameplay: Thief
Presentation: MGS

>inb4 ESL shitposter

>implying a stealth game is the same thing as Tactical Espionage Action

>>5174997
that pic also sums up the western vs japanese games debate perfectly

>>5175020
>mgs1
>unskippable cutscenes
so you haven't played it

>>5175090
how?

>>5175112
Btfo lol

>>5174997

What's there to debate? Metal Gear Solid is basically just a virtual novel with game play elements peppered in every once in a while. The stealth elements in MGS are basic and just serve as window dressing for the storyline. Thief is actually based around the stealth gameplay mechanic and it is the central core of the game.

Why is Thief so overrated? It's so barebones by today's standards. It's literally a walking simulator with enemies vaguely responding to light and noise. You don't get nearly enough choices, equipment, or feedback that you should do. It feels unfinished. Half-Life 1, for example, had way more interesting AI and scenarios, and that isn't even a stealth game, plus it's older.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jO-P3kXlCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9ooD5rx1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLyx9rcMjrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvz0WVaQGg

>>5175021
>the wait-in-the-shadows-until-enemy-turns-his-back simulator
>good gameplay
eeh
at least mgs is actually fun as a glorified 3d pacman with cool gadgets

>>5174997
MGS is just MG2: Solid Snake but in 3D.
Of course, fanboy wouldn't bother to play the original ones.

>>5174997
I'll go with the one on the left, because it wasn't outdone on every metric by fucking Ubisoft of all people.

>>5175042
why are you mistaking a marketing slogan by a genre? are you mentally challenged in some way?

>>5174997
Hardly even the same genre. I love MGS but the first game is practically a VN with puzzles and boss fights. The number of enemies you actually get to stealth past is about 20.

They are really different despite technically belonging to the same genre. Thief barely has any story while MGS is trying to be a goofy action movie.

Overall I'd give it to MGS1, but as far as the actual stealth gameplay, probably thief. MGS1 is simple pac-man stealth with regular loud action sequences.

>>5175295
Because it's simple, but it works. The maps are fun to sneak through, carry a good v i b e, what you have to do to remain hidden is well communicated with floor tiles being obviously differentiated and light level being shown on your HUD (one of the worst things a modern stealth game can do is leave the player not understanding how they just got detected,) plentiful secrets, alternate routes, gadgets like moss and water arrows have to be carefully conserved

It doesn't have a dishonored level of variance, it's just nice and tight. The biggest problem I'd probably have with Thief is that there are sometimes areas where it feels extremely impractical, even unintended to avoid blackjacking liberally when that isn't as satisfying as simply sneaking through.

I'd say thief, simply because the atmosphere and mechanics are more focused than mgs1, which relies more on variety. There's a lot of stuff to do in mgs1, but in thief the few things you CAN do are more satisfying. It's a difficult comparison because they're just not going for the same type of stealth experience, and both are primitive, in a sense. They had yet to iron out the kinks of their respective 3d stealth systems.
Mgs2 vs Thief 2 would be a real ball buster though. Those are both masterpieces.

>>5174997
If you say anything other than Thief, you where a console peasant.

>>5175921
t. consolet

>>5175682
^ this guy gets it
the fun part is that the only improvements are on presentation side - cutscenes became more cinematic in muh 3d.

to sum it up:
MGS quite literally brought nothing new to video games
while Thief established a new genre.

>>5175774
>Thief barely has any story
so you haven't played it

Hitman shits on both

>>5177434
tenchu came first thiefag

Step aside, Kojimafags and LGSfags.

mgs has footprints

>>5177527
and MG1 came even before that, what's your point?
With all my love for tenchu, it didn't get stealth just right and this is why tenchu didn't get directly copied by other games, which generally get categorized as 'stealth games'. Thief is the game that provided the template for the stealth gameplay as we know it, e.g. established a new genre.

You just can't be honest with yourself and disagree with this.

Thief literally rip off goldeneye and strife.

>>5175002

>>5177730
Okay retard

>>5177723
those 3 games popularized the stealth genre.

One is popular, the other is good

better game: thief

better choice for tasteless self-important weebs: MGS

>>5174997
They aren't even comparable because MGS1 doesn't care about stealth very much compared to its predecessors and most of its successors.

MGS1 is more about presenting a single story and a single location that's fleshed out with boss fights and action set pieces. The stealth in MGS1 is more or less just a breather from the action and a way of linking everything together. The sneaking and level design are good, but there really isn't much of it. MG1, MG2, and GB are all far more concerned with sneaking and exploring even if they also have boss fights and action sequences. Pretty much every Metal Gear game after MGS1 is too; the one big exception is MGS4.

>>5177869
thief is not good thought

>>5174997
Half Life

>>5175138
People on 4chan make statements and never actually provide evidence or a rationale. It's like they aren't educated, man.

>>5177951
What's 4chan? Did you mean 4channel?

>>5177961
Now I have to find how to update that 4chan X script

Secret answer: pic related.
Unironically a better stealth game, at least if compared to MGS.

>>5177730
so you haven't played it?

>>5177863
I generally agree with this if you stretch your statement with a touch of clarifications
once again what's your point?
can't you explain your though in a comprehensive manner?
is one-sentence-bait all you're capable off?

>>5174997
Even most MGS fanboys admit that its stealth mechanics are a joke compared to the likes of Thief and Splinter Cell. It can be debated which one had the better story but purely from a stealth gameplay standpoint Thief is objectively the better game.