/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5173195
What would be a good way to play NTSC in a PAL reigon? I am not very knowledgeable on connections but still would like a decent look from a CRT.

>>5172924
Reposting my question.

I'm at a loss. I got a VGA monitor and It's been working with Dreamcast VGA just fine but every time I try and connect it to a PC, it just rapidly seems to connect and disconnect no matter what I do. Please help.

R8

>>5173330
A vga/dvi PC monitor? There is a lot more to what you just asked that needs answering. If it is a PC monitor just put it at the native resolution at 60hz and be done with it. Why even bother with attempting to force 240p on a PC monitor? If you have never seen it in person, it is shit or won't work at all.

CRT emudriver and all of that shit is more geared for a regular consumer crt or professional crt (PVM-like) than a 31khz PC monitor.

What I said could be different if the PC monitor accepts 15khz natively with some RGB like connection.

>>5173375
Did you try changing the resolution of the PC and ONLY using that monitor? How are you connecting to it? That happens sometimes if you try to do too much (higher res and hz than it can accept accumulative)

>>5173391
I've tried connecting it with DVI to VGA and recently a HDMI to VGA box. I've tried setting it to lower resolutions too, and stuff that it should accept but it isn't.

>>5173394
If you have an HDMI to VGA box of some type, try and connect anything else you have to that monitor. Like a ps3 or x1 or anything.

What monitor? Also try a really low resolution too. Like 800x600 or lower (assuming it is 4x3) at 60hz. Possible it doesn't like conversion to vga and wants "native" vga to put it simply.

>>5173405
It's a Viewsonic E70f
I tried using the PS3 with it but apparently the box is compliant with HDCP so it was constantly flickering off and on unfortunately. I tried setting it to 800 x 600 but it was still doing it too.

>>5173415
lol, damn. I forgot ps3 had that (I paid big bucks to get an hdcp stripper 10 years ago for that).

I honestly only have one thing that you can try. It might only like HD dsub inputs. So potentially the DC vga box is that type, but everything else you have is not. You might have to try to find another dongle/adapter that supports the right 15pin output to the monitor. Although it could be far easier than that, I just can't imagine anything else being the issue.

I use a tendak hdmi to vga and it works on all my PC crts great (the best I have found actually. For color and contrast)

>>5173421
Wonder if I can replace the one I have since it just arrived today. I didn't think about that part when I got it.

>>5173423
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter-Gold-Plated-Projector-Monitor/dp/B0122NXEEG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1542759598&sr=8-5&keywords=tendak+hdmi+to+vga

That one is about as good as it gets for the price. I have a few now as I want replacements if it breaks or I lose it. No delay (tested with a scope) and doesn't crush the blacks or anything shitty like that.

As for dvi to vga, there are a lot of different types of those dongles and cables. Handshaking shouldn't work in some cases if you have the wrong one, (or the cables sometimes just don't fit lol) but connecting and disconnecting is usually a mismatched timing issue so sort of unrelated to a wrong dongle. If you tried all the resolutions and even tried to reset the monitor to default and all of that, I would say it is that dvi to vga dongle. If that doesn't work maybe someone else has ideas.

>>5173431
Do you know if this supports 2304x1440@80hz?

>>5173431
How does that thing compare to this? Do you have any of these?
https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter-Adapter-Portable-Connector/dp/B01B7CEOVK/

>>5173227
For RGB consoles, most TVs with a SCART jack.
For composite/s-video, most mid 90s and newer.

>>5173441
No. For meme high resolutions the Sunix DPU3000 is the usual recommendation.

>>5173195
>SNES owning friend of mine owned Pocky & Rocky and Wild Guns
>He said they were both stupid games and didn't know why his parents got them
>He sold them for chump change
>MFW he regrets it to this day

>>5173543
That price, ouch. Cheers anon, been looking for a solution for ages.

I wanted to take this BEAST home so badly but I dont have a van or enough space in my house to store it. I love the craftsmanship of the wood and it appear to have a radio built in or a record player. The tvs been sitting outside my work and will probably go to the trash soon. RIP 70s wood console tv beauty.
>>5173559
wow hes pretty stupid to throw gems like that away.

I'm completely new to the concept of Craigslist. How do I make sure I don't get raped?

>>5173609
bring a friend to help carry the tv

>>5173609
Be unattractive.

>>5173607
Take the tubes at least retard

>>5173614
I'm looking at 17", max.

>>5173614
Also,
>friends

>>5173609
Went into a sketchy Cleveland suburb the other day to buy two CRTs off of a guy. Ended up being perfectly fine, but I brought two other guys just in case. Left our wallets in the car. The two guys were helpful to actually load the TVs into my car anyway, so I'd recommend bringing someone with you regardless. Was a tight squeeze with two CRTs and three guys in such a small car though

>>5173609
Bring a gun

>>5173458
>https://www.amazon.com/Tendak-Converter-Adapter-Portable-Connector/dp/B01B7CEOVK/

I tried that before buying the other one. The issue was the transfer method was losing on the low end. I didn't notice it until I think Half Life or quake, I forget. But it was almost impossible to tell.


>>5173441
Even though it was already answered, the Sunix is good but expensive. The tendak actually goes higher than 1600x1200 at 85, but I can't recall just how high I had it. I think it was 1856×1392 at 85.

>>5173458
I just did some research. Apparently the first one I had is different than they are now. Both those tendak devices are the same internally now.

Picture related of it NOT crushing blacks or causing issues.

More like this?

>Free 32 inch JVC TV in my area
>Owner is Possibly willing to drop it off
>says it works, but no idea what to do if I need to repair it
This is important. How hard would it be to fix this thing up if I get it & it needs something like a capacitor replacement or if something goes wrong with the component jacks in the back? These were all shadowmask, so they're not nearly as good for games as a Trinitron right? I really doubt I'm going to be able to throw it away or even move it around much if I commit to accepting it from this guy. It's nearly 200 pounds.
/fit/ laughing in the distance

>>5173607
that's the sort of thing you're going to regret not putting into storage. at the very least you could take the tube OR the wooden frame & do a swap. Seeing a similar sized trinitron running RGB in that with a new record player on the side would be a great restoration project if all the components are trashed.

this pic turned out worse than the previous, not sure why

>>5173749
You dont see relic from the past like that every day. What I should have done was post that pic on craigslist for someone else to salvage it. I think its gone by now. If I had a truck or van I would have took it home. Those console tvs are still around because they make great furniture.

>>5173742
It's usually not worth it.

Newbie when it comes to CRTs here. How do I check if my TV has RGB support or not? It doesn't have the three red, green and blue entrances, that I can tell, only red, white and yellow.

>>5173741

Is there anyway to fix this type of glow under "AM"? It's on my 32" Sharp CRT SDTV, I'm using component cables. I am able to get into the service menu if it can be fixed there but there's a thousand different values to change and in the manual I don't know what half of them even mean.

>>5173965
CRT TV's in the USA don't have RGB (SCART), RGB TV's are a PAL and NTSC-J region thing. But there are USA TV's that have Component which is basically the same quality as RGB. The green, blue, red cables are called Component.

If your CRT only has yellow, white, red it means Composite cables are the best you can do, Composite is mediocre quality.

>>5173741
>>5173991
>not pictured

>>5174028
That looks like internal reflection in the glass itself in which case it cannot be fixed only reduced by turning the contrast down.

>>5174195
Is it viable for a regular person to take apart a CRT TV and remove the glass from the tube to clean the inside?

>>5174237
Dangerous but yes, it's possible. Be sure you discharge the tube & follow all safety procedures.

>>5174237
Not viable for anyone (unless you mean one of the few TVs with a separate sheet in front of the actual screen)

>>5173965
Good lord. Congrats on falling for the meme, zoomer/reddit.

>>5173195
Man, this image is extremely fucking sharp, is that a 31KHz monitor or a PVM?

>>5174387
I've seen sharper.

>>5174237
In a word, no.

Turn the contrast down and live with it.

>>5173742
>flat screen
PASS

>>5174393
That is not actually very sharp, it's just a high res source being downscaled giving that illusion.

where do gba games belong? i can either do 480i component with my wii connected to a crt or play them on a 1080p lcd monitor with integer scaling i guess

>>5173387
No, it's a VGA monitor, specifically an ADi MicroScan PD-697. If that's the case, what benefit does it give me over my current monitor other than proper blacks?

>>5174479
I personally emulate them on my CRT, running the resolution at 240x180. With other handhelds, I just set my CRT's resolution to the nearest 4:3 resolution that still allows 1:1 mapping. Like 480x360 for PSP.

>>5174495
>I just set my CRT's resolution
how do i do this or is this a pc only thing?

>>5174497
I use xrandr on Linux, but you can also use Soft15KHz and CRU on Windows.
I'm reasonably sure it's a PC-only thing, sorry.

>>5174479
>i can either do 480i component with my wii connected to a crt
160p windowboxed in 240p is also an option.

>>5174581
best way imo, since integer scaling 2x would make it go over 240p if u want scanlines

Would anyone know why the speakers connected to my CRT don't output a lower volume? The default sound is pretty loud and it doesn't actually play any sound until I rotate the volume wheel for quite a bit.

>>5173741
>>5173991
Why do people get so angry at people who want their picture to look the absolute best?

>>5173741
game?

am i suppose to use a sharpness setting of zero or somewhere in the middle?

The VGA cable I ordered for my DreamCast came in today. I'll share some pics of 480p goodness on my Samsung Syncmaster 900 once I get off work in a few hours.

>>5174851
Probably bad speakers or insufficient amplification for the speakers you're using. Try lower impedance speakers, or run the audio from your TV into a stereo receiver, and connect the speakers to the receiver.

>>5174479
On a GBA with AGS-101 screen mod.

>>5174851
What speakers? connected how?

>>5174851
Does the sound seem crackly when you turn the dial? If so you might need to use contact cleaner on the dial (the inside part, not the plastic). Corrosion might be preventing it from working in the lower area.

>>5175049
I think quality wise the speakers are pretty good. They are https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXDZ8WB/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.. You might be right about the insufficient amplification though, although I'm not sure. Not too keen on audio.
>>5175203
Nah, no problems like that. The issue is that it's dead silent until I turn the dial for some bit, and when audio DOES output it's pretty loud.

>>5174880
ff1

>>5174951
on a PVM knob? default is zero. you should stay close to it

>>5174951
Depends on the TV/monitor, on some going all the way to the bottom is intentionally blurring, so should set it to the middle, on others 0 is just no sharpening, which is what you want.

Or you might want a bit of a sharpening effect, try it out and see what you prefer.

>>5174951
Raise it as high as you want until you start seeing artifacts to the edge of contrast-y transitions. If you've got something with 240p Test Suite, it has a specific pattern just for adjusting sharpness. You keep an eye on the diagonal lines and wait until you see artifacts coming off of them to the right, then back off a bit.

are there any motherboards that have displayport alt mode so I can use a converter? thinking about upgrading my pc anyway

I bought a JVC tm-150cg recently and it came in basically perfect condition, very happy with it and I will be testing it out using a ps2 and maybe snes soon. No rgb input without an expansion card though.
What would be the best method for watching 480p/576p video on it? I have heard that the wii video player is a decent solution and I do have an old wii laying around. Do VGA to s-video/composite adapters create too many problems even if you force the output resolution to an appropriate resolution? I am also looking into the "soft 15khz" program mentioned in thread.

>>5175575
it can't do 480p/576p

>>5174581
Nice postage stamp.

>>5175595
I know it would have to be 480i, but would that be a possible output by downscaling the video or are there too many obstacles in the way?

>>5175602
Soft 15kHz is no good for windows versions newer than XP.

https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>5175657
Good link, I will definitely be going through this and seeing what is available to me. If I recall the model correctly my laptop card should be compatible.

>>5175575
Xbox 360 / PS3 can be useful, do pretty clean 480/576i out and have enough performance to handle modern encoding / HD which the Wii really can't.

OG Xbox can also be a nice option for SD stuff with decently network performance, playback capabilities in terms of codec support aren't much better than a Wii but you've got nicer software, the original XBMC.

Getting 480/576i directly out of a VGA port is kinda tricky under Windows especially if not an AMD card that CRT Emudriver can run. Quite a bit easier under Linux.

Also, buy my RGB/component card, should be back tomorrow.

Why do people like such thick scanlines? To me it just looks distracting, subtlety is best.

>>5174387
not sure which but it's one of my VGA monitors. Would be either a 930sb, P810, or 915FT+ running 240p@120hz with retroarch.

>>5175918
I find pc monitors too sharp tbqph.

>>5175940
oh don't worry anon, I absolutely think so as well. the memelines are thick and headache inducing. I prefer to just play in 480p if I'm emulating or on my 36" TV. I only took those pics because I was doing a comparison between the three mentioned monitors and 240p was one of the things I tested.

Could those big woofers seated on the top of the CRT cause long-term damage to the tube?

>>5176001
Sony sets damage themselves without a subwoofer so I doubt that helps much.

>>5176004
>Sony sets damage themselves without a subwooferwait what? Even PVMs? Or are you just saying consumer sets? What fails exactly?

Just picked up a Sony Wega KV-36FS120 mainly because of its size. So far i'm in love with it, as I don't need super-sharp pixels. Pic is Tempo on my 32x via composite.

>>5176001
It's built for it so it's gotta be magnetically shielded, they'll be fine. Unless you can directly observe warping or something when there's a lot of bass playing through it, you're fine.

>>5175818
Are you the kiwi on eBay?

>>5176194
yep

>>5176262
What's up

>>5176383
new cards!

>>5176420
That's cool. Is there any specific reason you only put audio passthrough on the cards?

>>5176476
These ones have the option for audio to the monitor too. Passthrough is handy for SCART so that you don't need a separate breakout.

>>5176476
>>5176480
Yeah I kind of wish my card could put audio through to the monitor.

>>5174479
Hacked GameCube booting Swiss into the "GameBoy Interface" homebrew with GB-Player attached, forced to 240 or 480p.

>>5177415
Why are LCDs so blocky?

I have a Panasonic bt-1390yn 14' monitor that I found for free but apparently somebody recently posted a listing for a Sony PVM 2030 on my local classifieds for 115$. Should I get it? The guy was apparently concerned about how it has no service menu or something

>>5177594
You're unlikely to find another one locally that cheap so yeah jump on it I guess. You could always flip it later for a profit if you don't like it.

Lack of service menu isn't really a big deal if you have the maintenance manual and a shred of common sense.

>>5177594
Older pvms don't have on screen display menus, everything is adjusted through a bunch of potentiometers under the enclosure. It's sad to say but $115 is relatively cheap these days. I'd try to haggle him down to $100 at least.

>>5173609
Meet in a public place, otherwise bring people you trust if that's not an option.

Any monitor that can't be brought over to a Starbucks to close a deal will probably require extra people anyways just to move it around.

>>5173195
Been trying to play MGS on a 14'' tv but damn I guess i'm just too used to bigger tvs, have no problem with a really old shitty 21'' but 14 seems impossible, I honestly can't play on it.

Tried Bloody Roar and I did fine but for something like mgs it was just too much

Am I sitting too close to the monitor?

I think so, yeah, I'm looking for a smaller armchair.

>>5178162
No. Try a taller stand or shorter chair though.

>>5178162
How often do you hit your head?

>>5178164
I am a manlet. I don't have to worry. Just about 4 feet tall.

>>5178163
Shorter chair then, the place us cramped enough as it is but I like it.

>>5178164
Not at all truth be told, I do hit my head often enough when I'm getting up from bed tho.

>>5178170
>>5178163
Those rocker chairs are actually pretty good for low to the ground shit. At least the more comfier ones that you can lock in place. Not the ones with speakers though.

>>5178172
I was actually thinking of getting one of these.
A friend has one and it's pretty comfy.

>>5178143
14" is best for 2d

Hey, I've got a shitty General Electric - XS Stereo Commercial Skip that I got from my parents, and there's some really shitty image alignment issues with it. Can't find anything in the general video menus, nor are there any sort of physical adjustment knobs.
Anybody here knowledgeable on this TV or have any ideas?

Looks pretty circular on my set.

>>5178162
i hate being so up close and trapped when it comes to gaming. I'd rather be in a free computer chair or laying down when gaming. but honestly can only do laying down if its a super relaxed game

>>5178387
ok? Do you need to take your meds or something?

>>5178387
RF? looks nostalgic

>>5178405
>he doesn’t know it should be an oval

>>5178394
I've been years on a computer chair, o honestly can't stand it anymore.
And laying down on bad and playing games don't mix for me.
Leaning on my couch or on that chair is a lot more comfortable for me nowadays.

>>5178434
that's fair. i mean desu i don't even play that much vidya just horde the goods

What happens when the supply of CRTs dries up? Are we fucked?
Because while retro fans have a lot of disposable income to spend on dumb bullshit I rather doubt you could, for example, kickstart a CRT manufacturing company- due to the expensive machinery, hazardous and valuable materials (eg. copper) involved in their construction.

>>5178429
This post >>5178387 makes no sense in this thread. It would seem he forgot to take his medicine today and is posting about threads from years ago, right here and now.

>>5179006
Nigga
>>5166790

>>5179026
So it is agreed, it doesn't belong here. Good for you.

>>5178976
>>5178976
We could start a business for 14, 20, 27 inch pro level crts and sell them for 600, 800, 1200 all day long. The issue is waste of materials and electricity on a large scale.

As an owner of several types of CRTs I use my OLED and my about as much as my tubes. No LCD blur, actual black blacks ,with under a frame of total delay is nearly indistinguishable from a PVM unless you really look. In fact it is better than plenty of CRTs that have more than a frame of delay because long winded reasons.

>>5178429
There should be people set up to take "trolls" to prison. Only underage or incel neets would attempt trolling after 2012.

>>5179032
>No LCD blur
Isn't OLED still sample&hold? How would it have no blur?
Also I still can't find any shader that gives me non-blocky scanlines without becoming a blurry mess.

>>5179032
So, I've been thinking about an OLED, not to replace CRT, but for my main living room TV. What upscaler do you use to play retro on it? I don't mean how, but which one do you use on your set? Do you like it or would you do something differently? All my consoles are already RGB modded so the major obstacle is done.

>>5179027
Are you fucking retarded? It’s clearly a pic of a CRT. It belongs here. Fuck off.

I have a sony evm-9010pr, does anyone know if it can play both ntsc and pal tapes?

Hopefully any experts here can chime in, I just picked up an old 80s woodgrain RCA TV for a song. The TV turns on fine with the usual snow but whenever I screw on a coaxial cable the TV immediately turns off. I’ve tried 2 game consoles, a VCR, different coaxial cables, no luck. If I have the power off to the systems the TV comes right back on fine. Only when it suddenly sends a signal does it flick off. I managed to one time plug the coaxial in with the system on and the game picture showed up, but it was wobbly in the middle and slowly rolling. Most of the time though it will just immediately turn itself off when something is plugged in, am I screwed?

>>5179032
>We could start a business for 14, 20, 27 inch pro level crts and sell them for 600, 800, 1200 all day long.
Let's do it.
I can't provide much startup capital, but I'd buy stock at least.

Finally got a key for the drawer on my BVM 2016P.
If I understand correctly, the tube has been used for 75 641 hours. Should I be worried?

I can't seem to find any information regarding expected lifespan of these tubes. Neither can I seem to find any information about issues you could expect with an tube reaching the end of its life.

are old CRT dangerous for radiation and shit?

>>5180807
If you're not seeing burn in and it's still pretty bright don't worry about it.

>>5179032
Those prices are far below what Sony etc were selling them for new when they were making thousands at a time, I'd expect prices at least 10 times that to make them today on a scale retro nerds might be willing to buy them for, even totally ignoring the prices of getting hazardous materials exemptions you'd need to get them into any first world country.

>>5180863
There's a bit of X-ray emission, unless you intentionally disable/break the safety shutdowns or shielding it's not enough to worry about.

>>5179458
Doubt it.

My sister has a Sanyo flat screen with component in.
Am I right in thinking it's probably a digital set and not worth my time?
I planned on getting a PVM soon anyway.

>>5180987
If it's not HD and it's not widescreen it's probably fine for vr use

>>5179032
Here's the problem, buddy: Those 20-inch pro CRTs cost $10,000 new. You're delusional if you think a startup company with no experience in the field can beat the prices of a company like Sony on sophisticated equipment like that.

>>5180984
>There's a bit of X-ray emission, unless you intentionally disable/break the safety shutdowns or shielding it's not enough to worry about.
I got an old ass CRT from a random acquaintance, probably from the 80's, buttons on the remote are completely washed out, it had a long life for sure, maybe it needs a little maintenance?
it seems to run fine btw, it's there any way to know if the shielding is still ok?
tangentially, do old CRT have insect infestations like old console?

>>5181067
80s set should be fine for the shielding, it's in the glass. Infestations possibly.

thoughts on the kv-36HS510? Did these trinitrons with DVI ports in the back do RGB by extension? I've never seen one with a port like this in the back & have no idea if they would lag. Could you use them as VGA monitors or something? Really weird trinitron & I've never seen one for sale.

>>5181514
im no expert but those are on HD sets that have a specific native resolution with a small amount of lag, and every other resolution has a lot of lag

So a few weeks back I posted I got a JVC I-ART for free on craigslist. I was ecstatic. One problem. The entire lower half of the CRT's image seems to shake a bit from side to side. I chalked this up to bad caps & left it be for 2 weeks & checked again. Same issue, only this time I ALSO noticed it a bit on my BVM-D24E1WU (to a much lesser extent). So process of elimination starts.

Idea 1: My PS2's Power cord must suck.

Changed between 3 power cords & no change.

Idea 2: My Component cables are garbage because they're third party

Swapped to an official SONY S-Video Cable. Same shaking problem.

Idea 3: My PS2 is dying

Switched from my Slim PS2, to my fat PS2, to my 60gb PS3. Same issue across all models in 240p.

Idea 4: My Power Strip that feeds my PS2 & CRT must be going bad.

I plugged both the systems & TV DIRECTLY into the wall. Same Issue.

Idea 5: Maybe ALL PS2s do this & I've never noticed.

Booted up My Analogue Nt Mini Hooked up to my D24 in RGB with monoprice cables also shows this exact issue (again, just slightly less)


So here I am, out of options. The only thing I can think of is either I'm getting magnetic interference in my neighborhood, or the electricity from my wall is somehow carrying a magnetic pulse. Any idea what could cause a CRT's image to shake a bit from side to side? I know what 480i shaking is & this isn't that, every test I did was with 240p sources (& it shows up a bit in 480i too)

>>5181691
Would not having your crt plugged into a voltage regulator cause a lot of distortion? Thats the real question here.

>>5181514
No, the DVI port is for digital in. It's HD, scales anything you put in to 1080i or 540p, has some lag.

Astal is a good fuckin video game, but I need to get a better s-video cable for my saturn, I'm getting quite a bit of crosstalk from this cheap one

I just got a B&O MX4000, and I'm struggling to properly adjust the geometry settings through the service menu. I messed around in the 240p test suite for a couple hours, trying to make the grid test look nice. But every time I thought it looked decent, the linearity and scrolling tests would look off.

I don't even really understand what I'm supposed to be aiming for, if I can't make it perfect. Are the outer edges of the red squares in the grid test supposed to be visible on screen? It seems impossible to get the image linear, so things get distorted when scrolling near the edges.

I've skimmed through the guide in the OP, but I'd really not want to open the TV, I don't know what I'm doing, and don't trust myself.

>>5182127
I forgot to add; the outer circles in the linearity test seemed to extend off-screen, no matter my geometry settings. Is that normal? Are they supposed to perfectly fit in the screen, or is the sole purpose of that test just to see how round the circles are (which is somewhat difficult when they go off-screen).

I also just remembered being confused as to whether or not I should be changing some settings inside the 240p test suite, due to having a PAL TV. So if I am supposed to, I haven't been.

I remember an anon posting a few thread ago a list of every family of products in the Sony CRT range, and their relations to each other. IIRC, it included stuff like CDM, GDM, LDM and other lesser known stuff.
Anyone has that list saved ?

>>5182369
nvm, I found it: https://yuki.la/vr/5077814#p5089154
I was interested in what the KX range really was, since I just picked up a KX-14CP1

>>5181781
>>5181691
Fuck it, I'm just going to buy a voltage regulator & see if that helps any. I just checked some old style lightbulbs in my house & they do flicker a bit from time to time. Almost everything points to that being the solution. Will post back with results once the VR comes in the mail. If that's really the issue then this is one of the most important things CRT fans never talk about.

>>5182378
I've actually found one or two more but they seem to have been used for only one or two sets and are just slightly niche versions of an existing KV set.

CKV, specifically, which I can only assume is a Commerical designated TV.

Potentially a good deal for someone in the Florida area. Would need to see if they all functioned properly though
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1416&acctid=4740

Picking up a nice 25 inch sony this evening. Gonna get real comfy hooking up my old PS1 with a nice rgb cable. Modern games have gotten shittier and scummier every year it's gonna be good to play the classics as intended.

>>5178179
Is that from Ikea? I have to agree, then. My wife had one she used to use for reading but I basically stole it to play video games on because it was the perfect height.

>>5178179
>>5182845
Actually, just a heads-up, I bought a second one not too long ago, and I notice it's much softer, especially the back support. Seems like there are two different styles of cushions. The one on the left here is the soft one, while the one on the right is definitely more firm. Both are comfy, but it's something to keep in mind because I was expecting them to be identical, apart from color.

>>5182845
Yes it is!

I'm getting one next month before Christmas.

>>5182863
I see, thanks for the heads up.

>>5182483
Please keep us updated, anon. I'm intrigued.

>>5182845
>>5182863
Great setup anon. Close to ideal.
Here's a very old pic of my setup. Don't have room for CRTs in my current flat but when I start my PhD next year I'll have space. Got a lovely Bang and Olufsen ME6000 amongst others I can set up. It'll be my ideal.

What’s the biggest CRT monitor I can get? Did they make any of them bigger than 19”?

>>5183068
My friend had one that was 24". I can't say I've seen one bigger than that, but I wouldn't doubt they might exist.

>>5183068
The biggest one you should shoot for is 21 inch. That was a tube size that got a lot of love without being cheap.

There is a Sony 24 inch 16:10 but I would hardly say that is ideal paying what people want for a FW900.

>>5183068
19inch? (cue evil laugh) Do you really want to know?
- 42 inch Mitsubishi Megaview
- Sony KX-45ED1 45 inch (!). Someone here was going to import one direct from Japan, but never updated
- Sony HDM-3830. A pioneering HDVS Hivision display dating as far back as the 80s, weighing over 400 pounds and costing nearly $100k with a curved CRT. Saw one on eBay in the last decade plus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvX_yWdltiM

>>5183091
Wanted to add: at 38 inches, the HDM-3830 is the largest 16x9 pro CRT produced. Those coffin like handles on the one in the video are their for a reason - moving it needs more than 2 "pallbearers"

>>5183091
>>5183096
You might have missed what he was asking. He clearly was asking about computer monitors.

>>5183091
>>5183096

boys

>>5183112
>He clearly was asking about computer monitors.
>clearly
Please point out where computer monitors are referred to here:
>>5183068
>What’s the biggest CRT monitor I can get? Did they make any of them bigger than 19”?

Nowhere. A "CRT monitor" means things such as PVMs.

>>5183113
>make sure the floor is strong enough
Not the stand, but the floor. Shit done got real.

>>5183141
You fucking tool. A CRT computer monitor is, literally, a "CRT monitor". It's not just your PVMemes. I dunno whether you're dumb, underage, or both.

>>5183141
>Nowhere. A "CRT monitor" means things such as PVMs.
Imagine being this ignorant.

>>5183183
>sperg triggering intensifies
Now now, why so belligerent shit for brains? A "CRT monitor" could even refer to a TV with composite video, idiot, as I have had TV sets which called themselves "monitors".

Just because you and your boyfriend only denote desktop computer monitors with the appellation "CRT monitor" over your circle jerk does not make it standard usage.

Now go back to watching LGR videos and paying $500 for an ISA soundcard, PC tard.

>>5183141
Go away idiot. Stop being a try hard idiot and follow the discussion. Context is your friend if you can get your dumbass to understand it.

>>5183195
Holy shit you are mad. Don't be so mad you couldn't understand a simple question.

>>5183192
>Imagine being this autistic
See >>5183195 bitch. Your circlejerk with >>5183183 is not a view held by the population not on the spectrum. This is based on experience buying this shit before this site existed, and likely before you were born snowflake.

>>5183198
>>5183203
See >>5183204 and don't come back until you regain your composure.

>>5183091
All of these look amazing. The KX-45ED1 is particularly fascinating to me, as it seems to have BNC RGB inputs despite being a consumer set.

>>5183141
PVM means PVM. lmao retard. Doesn't mean CRT monitor.

http://bfy.. tw/L3A3

>>5183206
>>5183204
Yup, it checks out. You are wrong and upset about it. Pic related

Stop talking to all of us as if we are two people.

>>5182534
Looking awesome

>>5183206
>>5183204
>>5183091
>>5183141

Leave and stay gone, kid.

>>5183213
>>5183216
May as well end your circlejerk right here. What do you see in the picture? Go cry yourself to sleep now that your illusions of childhood have been smashed.

>>5183221
Fuck you faggot. What do you see in >>5183225 ??
I'll tell you what: an instant austism test, as good as a color blindness card.

I was talking about PC CRTs. Guess I should have been more clear. I call consumer sets CRT TVs and PVMs & BVMs.. well, PVMs & BVMs.

Thanks for all the helpful responses. Gonna be on the lookout for a good 21” one.

>>5183225
>>5183227
>Still not understanding the context of the first question asked.
>Still double posting in hopes people will affirm his incorrect description in confusion as if it is two people

Did you know they also used the word monitor for specific speaker types? Still isn't what the original question was asking. Don't be so upset that again your dumbass is being dragged through the mud.

>>5183235
Literally everyone calls consumer sets CRTs

PVMs as PVMs/BVMs/ProCRTS

CRT monitors are CRT monitors (31khz for this >>5183225 idiot that doesn't get it)

>>5183237
So, what would you call this. A CRT Monitor? It's a CRT and a monitor (by definition, a monitor does not have a TV tuner). It's not a pvm, not a TV, not raster scan, yet remains a CRT MONITOR.

Just admit defeat like a man. Everyone is entitled to a mulligan now and then.

>>5183210
>despite being a consumer set.
That's because it's just a consumer facing variant of the PVM-4300.
>>5183113

>>5183235
22'' is as large as you'll find 4:3 wise, 24'' for the two wide Sonys or ~28'' if you find the "Carmack Special" Intergraph.

Megaviews and NEC's Presentation sets could be seen as someone equivalent given their ability to sync across a range of frequencies like PC CRTs and not being locked down like PVMs and BVMs.

>>5183249
>CRT monitors are CRT monitors (31khz for this >>5183225 (You) idiot that doesn't get it)
lol, let's see you feed that "31khz" signal into this >>5183257 CRT monitor used in vector games.

>>5183113
>This unit weighs approximately 440lb, make sure floor is strong enough
No thanks. I'd rather have a 4k Oled and buy a converter for analog.

I can't imagine being so socially inept as to miss obvious meaning then have tantrum when you're called out. Take a break from 4chan sperg bro.

Testing out some new games I've got for my Saturn.

This is also a really great shooter.

Mega Drive rf

Woke up today and my PS1 is producing really nasty horizontal green flickering lines on the CRT out of nowhere and it wasn't doing it last night. Anyone know what the hell this is?

>>5184017
It's really not, that game is a piece of shit. It's fun for one or two run-throughs because of the unusual bosses and whatnot(the Karaoke level is particularly memorable), but it's not skill-based at all and you can tell they knew that because you're forced to play with unlimited continues on the Saturn port.

Kya where are you from?
let's have a Megaview party

>>5173607

70s

might be solid state or hybrid

BVM 9044D
mega drive 60hz (ish) RGB
love this lil guy

>>5185263
forgot pic

earljam and toe

>>5185267
On a set so small, it's a bit silly to underscan like that.

Looks really nice though.

>>5184891
In orbit around the smoldering remains of the intergalactic space arcade.

What goes in the plugs on the left? They do not look like regular composite.

>>5186297
They are regular composite just using a BNC plug instead of RCA. You can buy simple passive adapters on ebay or amazon, just search BNC to RCA adapter.

>>5186297
You'll need these doobries.

>>5186302
Thanks, was trying to search but couldn't get the right terms.

>>5186310
You should probably stick to s-video if at all possible, it's a much nicer signal and if that's a production or security monitor it wont have a good comb filter if it even has one.

>>5185618
It's just the way the screens been calibrated, pressing the underscan goes from black border to even more of a border. The pic is the larger size. Not much I can do about that without a calibration.

>>5186297
I would like to congratulate you on falling for the pvmeme and paying inflated prices for a product you know nothing about.

>>5186250
>tripfag and an eceleb watching fag
Gotta filter you.

can i connect my computer which has a vga out to my CRT which has a s-video input? would something like this with a male to male svideo cable work?

>>5186494
what is 22/44khz?

eat shit Dracula

>>5186410
you say that as if adjusting the raster size isn't a two minute ordeal...

>>5186593
I don't have the service manual and I can't find it online, guessing I have to open it up and adjust a few pots? I'm new to B/PVMs so I have no idea what to look for

>>5186468
Then just do it. People complaining about tripfags are worse than tripfags. You realize that telling them you are gonna filter them gives them the attention they desire and also derails the thread. Here's a picture from a crt so I'm also not being totally off topic.

>>5186468
I don't even watch CGR, just happen to be in the same city.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>5186410
>>5186625
This should apply relatively closely. Your model is a modified version of the PVM-8044(or 9044 for Euro) that replaces the two battery compartments with an SDI option. The pots should be located in about the same locations; Be sure to double check their markings.

https://archive.org/download/SonyPVM8042Q8045Q9042Q9045QOperationAndServiceManual/Sony%20PVM-8042Q%208045Q%209042Q%209045Q%20Operation%20and%20Service%20Manual.pdf

>>5186718
Cheers. Thinking I should be adjusting the horizontal and vertical blanking? I'm guessing it could throw off the rest of the geometry which worries me

>>5186761
Assuming the geometry on the thing is fine (squares are square not rectangles, circles are circles not ovals) HSIZE and VSIZE should be all that's necessary. If you can throw up the 240p Test Suite grid pattern, getting the red dots centered at the edge of the visible raster is what I learn towards.

Only reason I mentioned anything is the visible palette data at the bottom.

Thoughts on sony trinitron wega 36 inch? I'm thinking about buying one.

What does /CRT/ think about the RGB mod you can do to the menu circuitry in a TV?

>>5187283
not really worth the effort most of the time imo unless you really cannot find and afford a decent set with component and a transcoder.

>>5186494
No, you'd need an actual transcoder, that adaptor is for things that do S-video/composite on ver a VGA connector.

>>5187283
Can be pretty sweet for getting similar to arcade results on a murican non flat set.

>>5187323
there are some american component fishbowls out there, mostly jvc or toshiba "colorstream"
I think there was one xbr curved set that had component

>>5187010
I am >>5176048 and >>5177909, It works great. I am no CRT perfectionist and I use composite but nonetheless it looks great. The only downside is that it's very heavy. Plan on finding a decently fit neighbor and get something like these (Pic Related). I bought them from Lowe's for $40. They make the job so much easier. What I like about the set is that it has component and only excepts 240p and 480i, so 240p is properly displayed. I would highly recommend this set anon, you should go for it if it's for a good price. I can tell you more about it or take more pictures of it if you want.

>>5187336
there was some sony sets that had actual rgb over a floppy connector.

>>5187372
I got those, both sets. Here's the 20 incher, and you can see the 25 incher in the background sitting on its stand with foot-pedal buttons

>>5187283
I did it to a sharp brand, works well if you can solder and are decent at electronics and reading schematics. I like it, rgb looks pretty good with a shadow mask.

If you're wanting similar results and cant do electronics you can get a retrotek rgb to component converter.

Of course only some consoles output RGB natively so you might end up doing RGB mods or buying them.

Having pissed about with almost all types of rgb related things other than upscalers I'd honestly say those converters are the way to go. You only need one and can use any old tv set that has component. Basically those RGB mods are for people who like to tinker and work on old electronics. They are great if your tv only has composite and is one that can be modded though.

>>5187432
Cool. Could you share a pic of the connector, and maybe a pic of them running something?

>>5187693
I don't have access to it rn but I've got some old pics. Here's my custom floppy after I got tired trying to solder higher guage wire to floppy pins, I just used a ribbon cable works like a charm

>>5188448
These are on the 25xbr

>>5188450

>>5188453

>>5188448
Wow, that's bizarre. Thanks, that's definitely an unusual monitor you've got there.
>>5188450
>>5188453
>>5188457
These look great, by the way.

>>5187432
>both sets
There's more than just 2, 9 or 10 actually; A few are admittedly quite similar though.

>>5188462
Using a 34 pin connector for RGB was actually fairly commonplace on Sony sets of the early to mid 80s. I have two myself, the 20" and 27" Profeel monitors.

http://wavebeam.blogspot.com/2017/08/making-scart-adapter-for-sony-34-pin.html?m=1

>>5188505
Both xbr sets I should say

How hard would it be to turn mono PVM in to a stereo one?

It has plugs for left and right channels, would it be possible to open it from the inside and splice two new speakers to the left and right channels and mount them on the side or something?

>>5186460
I know it has 750 lines of resolution and my current Apex CRT TV has less and the top right corner has a green tint and flickers.

I don't mind paying a couple $100 for something that works good and will last.

>>5188826
Just buying a separate pair of speakers at Goodwill would produce far better results and cost substantially less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovp4cJUQDI0

>>5188830
I really hope you did not pay a couple hundred for a monitor that doesn't support rgb

>>5188959
I did. The Only consoles I really like to play are Genesis and Saturn and I only have S-video cables for both.

Monitors with component or SCART costs $500-2000+

>>5189057
That's bullshit. Stay away from crazy sony memes and you can get RGB capability much cheaper than that.

Also, component on a consumer TV will easily beat S-video on that security monitor.

>>5188826
>It has plugs for left and right channels
What model? Chances are that's not left and right, but in an out.

>>5188830
you did fine dont let these internet autists get to you. shipping a crt is expensive no matter what
might want to get a switchbox though

>>5189138
You are correct, I wouldn't really use it anyways. I route the sound from my model 1 Sega CD to my PC's line in and use my computer speakers.

I see a Commodore 1081 monitor with SCART for cheap, should I go fot it /crt/?
I hear they're only mono audio but I have an audio breakout for my SCART cables so that shouldn't be an issue

I see people raving about the 1084S but how's the 1081?

>>5184156
what tube? looks great.

>>5189386
Absolutely. I have a 1080, and the tube is absolutely gorgeous. Really good looking composite and crispy RGB with light scanlines for a great image. S-Vid is great, but requires an adapter.

Pic related. I can show you some close ups if you'd like.

I modded my Wii with a Wii Dual and I have it hooked up via Component to a 750 line monitor. This is the best pic I managed to get of it so far but stuff looks really damn sharp on it.

>>5188837
Finally feeling confident enough to attempt building some but you can find some absolute monsters for fucking nothing with a little patience. At worst you may have to re-cap the crossover network or replace an individual driver but it's still a fraction of the cost of buying new basic fucking two-way bookshelf speakers

>>5189490
JVC?

>>5189669
Panasonic but it was one of the ones that's apparently a rebranded JVC. A BT-H1390YN.

Just picked up a SONY KV-20FS12 locally only to find it's composite only. What's everything I need in order to RGB mod this sucker? I already have a soldering station coming in. Was a full guide ever posted anywhere? It's the exact same model as in this video.
https://youtu.be/jbi9HEz-cww

I've got a desoldering gun, a solder station, electrical gloves, a way to discharge the tube...but I'm stuck on capacitors.

Is there a guide on how to build a capacitor list for a CRT? What site is the best to use, what's the best brand of cap, etc? I'm on mouser & there's like 18 drop down menus for a single cap. I feel like such a brainlet trying to understand all these terms.

>>5190273
go to the shmups rgb modding thread

>>5187323
ypbpr was far more common than people think in the 90's.

>>5183257
>>5183264

Just stop idiot. You are being a retard and filling the thread with retardation. You are wrong and always will be.

>>5183975
Agreed.

>>5190795
You find the list of caps for your shit or you look at them yourself and you buy replacements of the same rating, or as close as you can get. The cap plague of the early 00s is long gone. Just do some basic reading

>>5190795
For the list, see the service manual. For brands, whatever Mouser, Digikey etc carries is gonna be fine.

>>5191104
>>5191143
So I found the service manual for the KV-20FS12 (though honestly just looking at each cap manually will probably be easier), & it lists caps.

Can Someone here retard proof my mouser process for me? I've never ordered capacitors for anything so this is going to be a first for me. Would just entering in what I've entered & choosing any cap this way work? Can I build an entire cap list this way? Here's the three caps it gives me when I used those criteria, though I had no idea what the difference is between them. There weren't any 16v caps available so I just chose a 50V one instead which I THINK is fine right? caps explode when they go OVER voltage not under, so more is better (I would assume)

>>5191207
Forgot the link. Here's the three caps it gives for that search. I chose these since they're red so I can color code which ones I've replaced (all my stock caps are black). Some people tell me any cap brand is fine & others say Chinese caps are BS, but I don't know who to believe. There's no telling how long they'll keep producing caps either if 2000 or so is all they have in stock. Kind of scares me for the future of CRT repair to be honest.

https://www.mouser.com/Wurth-Electronics/Passive-Components/Capacitors/_/N-5g7r?P=1z0jmj8Z1y95jjtZ1z0yp7wZ1z0z7l5Z1z0wrj5Z1yx4avvZ1z1412p

Dropping by this thread to get a consultation from the expert: what's the CRT market like right now for a guy like me who can pretty much be happy playing in good quality s-video? Do you think the market will take a nosedive in the next couple of years?

Also I'm in the same boat as >>5190795, never soldered or done a cap replacement before. My set needs it and I'm terribly afraid I'm going to fuck something up

>>5191210
>There's no telling how long they'll keep producing caps either if 2000 or so is all they have in stock.
Lmao, Capacitors of all sizes and specifications will be needed in large quantities from now until the death of the consumer electronics market. Even a precursory understanding of electronics should tell you this.

>>5191210
>There's no telling how long they'll keep producing caps either if 2000 or so is all they have in stock.
Someone as retarded as you should not be messing with electronic repairs at all.

>>5191207
You watched the Savonpat interview, eh? I did too. He knows a fair bit but he doesn't know everything.

Using higher voltage caps is fine, save that they might be bigger, though for 4.7uF it isn't going to increase the size at all. The only technical reason not to use higher voltage might be increased ESR, but the ESr of new caps is lower than it ever has been, and you can get super-low audio-grade electrolytics with just about no ESR at all, if you need to.

>>5173742
i'd just wait for something better. people usually give away trinitrons in my area

>>5191315
this 1000x

>>5191293
slowly creeping up but you'll still come across CRT TVs and Monitors all over the place either being thrown out or sold sub 10 dollars. The only higher price items would be PVMs and pre-2000s computery stuff.

>>5191207
reset your manufacturer and "product" filter there, drag select voltage column from 16 all the way to whatever's highest, then sort by price. Power supply section you might care about low ESR or particular size, but for most of the rest of the set, whatever goes.

>>5189415
Mitsubishi CS-1973R from 1984. It’s rf only but has two rf inputs.

>>5189415
>>5191670
To make rf the best it can be I use a short as possible, high quality rca cable w/ f type to rca adapter. I have great results using 3 foot acoustic research cables. I also loop the console power cable through a ferrite bead to help minimize Interference w/ the rf signal.

>>5191683
Maybe the ferrite bead doesn’t help w/ rf interference but just cleans up the DC to the console, don’t know but for rf out it seems to help.

>>5187010
I have a 29" Sony trinitron wega. It must be close to 150 lbs. I was able to lift it on my own, but it was heavy as fuck. For a 39" set? damn man hope you're a big guy and have 2 strong friends who can give you a hand.

>>5191809
I've got a 36" Wega. It weighs 220lbs on the nose and can be carried easily by myself and another able bodied adult. I'm a fucking manlet 160lbs as well. Only issue I have with carrying it is that the bottom of the frame is kind of sharp plastic and will practically cut your skin with the sheer weight if you're not wearing gloves.

Basically what I'm saying is quite being a little bitch it's not that bad.

>>5179035
what happened in 2012

>>5191848
It was bad. Real bad.

>>5189057
>genesis
>s-video
lmao'ing at your life right now. Do you even dithering, son?

>>5175046
nice

>>5189057
>monitors
No they don't. You can get a 19-21 inch 1600x1200 for $200 easy and with little effort have it displaying your shit.

As for PVMemez (which I think you are incorrectly calling a Monitor) you could easily get a 14-20 inch for 200-350 if you look hard enough and you are not trying for mint.

>>5192053
>which I think you are incorrectly calling a Monitor
>Professional Video Monitor
What's the problem here?

>>5192315
>What's the problem here?
That you didn't call them Preview Video Monitors

>>5192328
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>5189434
Such a pleasant shot, anon. Great photo.

>>5192048
Thanks for replying, I forgot about my promise to post pictures until I saw your post

>>5192384
Hawt. What game?

>>5192967
Street Fighter 3 Third Strike

Do CRTs have some sort of focus pot inside them or am I out of luck

So the black curved Trinitron CRTs that look like this are a dime a dozen in my area, and I think I’m gonna pick up one of these instead of raping my wallet for a PVM.
While I’m all fine with just using S-Video (I know there’s a version of these that has component as well but I’ve never seen it, and I have no interest in the flat screen Wegas), I heard you can mod these to support RGB. Is it worth doing so or will I be just fine with S-Video? Is it as life-risking as people say it is if you do it by yourself? If I don’t know a whole lot about CRTs is it even worth trying?

>>5193449
Just get a PC CRT
>inb4 muh real hardware consoles

>>5193367
Yes, right on the flyback (or a box connected to it); Sometimes two even, for vertical and horizontal. That usually is only on PC CRTs and some large presentation monitors though.

>>5193449
S-Video is nice; If you can find someone to do an RGB mod for you and you want to be a little bit more anal about video quality, then maybe you should look into said mod. Otherwise, just stick with S-Video. It gets you the biggest PQ increase for the least amount of hassle.

>>5193459
THe reason I ask is because subtitles or text always seems slightly too fuzzy. I am also watching a DVD playing though component video so idk if it's just an artifact of the resolution or if I can actually fix it

>>5193459
Not that anon but I need to find some way to adjust the focus out from the centre on my B&O. What are the focus pots usually labelled? If there aren't any pots, how would you go about adjusting focus? Don't tell me the only option is magnets on the neck.

>>5192967
The only fighting game you'll ever need once you've played it
>>5193186
Wow, how did you capture that moment on camera?

>>5193606
>>Not that anon but I need to find some way to adjust the focus out from the centre on my B&O. What are the focus pots usually labelle
My sharp has two knobs on the flyback, one is brightness/level and the other is focus.

No s-video mods for NES is there? I'm a burger who would rather not get into the gymnastics of RGB modding but I hate composite's dot crawl and washed out color

>>5193468
If they're baked in subtitles, could just be poorly mastered.

What CRT? If it has a sharpness setting, you could try clicking it up one or two ticks.

>>5193606
>What are the focus pots usually labelled?
"Focus"

In most cases, you'll see a G2 or "Screen" pot and a "Focus" pot on the flyback.

>>5193676
Lots n lots n lots of photos.

>>5193742
The only way I know is NESRGB which also does svideo.

>>5193742
emulation?

You gotta try harder with the threads, next time Rocky.

>>5193743
It's a philips 27" from 2004. Oddly enough when using the component video input there's no setting for sharpness, it only works on svideo and composite modes

Are Phillips Magnavox CRTs shit or not shit. I found a 27MS3404 on the cheap. It's a 480i curved set with s-video and component which is everything I want.

>>5193457
>PC CRT
That sounds intriguing, I guess you're talking about emulation? How do games that switch between 240p and 480i work?

>>5173195
I'm eager to emulate TV CRTs and PC CRTs when proper 4k OLED 144hz come out.
The possibilities for simulating the display matrix and strobe would turn them into the true CRT successors.

>>5194608
OLEDs have native resolution, so it'll never properly replace CRTs.

>>5194625
And CRTs had a fixed native display matrix.
Once the pixel get small enough that becomes a non problem.

>>5194630
>fixed native display matrix.
That is only a problem for high resolutions, which you're unlikely to use on a CRT. OLED's problem is with low resolutions.

*switches between 240p and 480i*

psh, nothing personnel, LCD

>>5194636
Which is why I said "simulating the display matrix", through shaders or hardware CRT-like interpolation (unlikely).

>>5193676
>The only fighting game you'll ever need once you've played it

>>5194424
>t shit. I found a 27MS3404 on the cheap. It's
Nothing wrong with them, I've only seen one and it looked good.

Are there any NTSC consoles which support component, but not RGB? The Gamecube immediately comes to mind, but I was wondering if there were others.

>>5195826
Wii and Wii U

>>5195826
Wii

It's the Nintendogimpstheirvideooutput thing they've being doing since day one.

>>5196693
>>5196701
Wii is just a software block, the console itself is still perfectly capable of RGB output, where as the GC is not.

I believe the Wii U is the same, but I could be wrong.

>>5196736
>where as the GC is not.
so a Wii modded for RGB technically has better gamecube output than a Gamecube through component cables?

>>5196940
At 480i (and 240p) possibly but you won't be getting 480p over SCART.

>>5174036

I have an ntsc rgb tv that isn’t a pvm. Takes rgb via rs232

>>5173965
If you live in the u.s. nothing has RGB but professional editing monitors like the PCM/BVM monitors. If you like in europe look for a scart RGB port. the third option would be to have someone RGB mod a consumer CRT, nobody offers that as a service though.

>>5197083
some sony XBR has a floppy like connector for RGB

>>5197083
component is rgb

>>5196949
You can get 480p over scart if you use a Wii modded with a Wii Dual.

>>5197154
SCART is incapable of carrying 480p.
>>5196940
Yes, though in PAL regions where the gamecube has native RGB it has a slightly cleaner output than the Wii.

>>5197185
Yes it can. Stuff like the PS2 can do 480p over SCART using RGsB

>>5190851
>Just stop idiot. You are being a retard and filling the thread with retardation. You are wrong and always will be.
Keep telling yourself that each night as your cry yourself to sleep. The truth remains, however, and you can offer no justification for your delusion in the face of historical evidence to the contrary.

>>5197103
>component is rgb
It's not. I'm not saying one is better or worse, RGB might have slightly better colors, but component can do up to 1080i. They are also a slightly different color space.

>>5197250
>component can do up to 1080i
The potential resolution and refresh rate of a display have absolutely nothing to do with whether its input is component or RGB, what are you on about? There are plenty of CRT PC monitors that support 1080i and even 1080p or higher that only accept RGBHV(VGA) as input.

>>5197091
Also a few non-XBR sets.

>>5197193
SCART is a connector; You could use SCART for ethernet if you felt like it, but there's nothing out there equipped with a SCART connector which will accept RGsB.

>>5197250
>but component can do up to 1080i
Component can do whatever resolution you want. There's nothing technically preventing something stupid like a 4k YPbPr signal being sent aside from nothing supporting it on either end. 1080p Component is supported out right by both the PS3 and Wii U.

>>5194435
>>5193457
Anyone? I'm really curious about this.

How big of a difference does peaking frequency make?

Dear /CRT/,
Thank you.

>>5197707
Looks a bit out of convergence, you don't mind?

>>5197941
It looks infinitely better than the shitty Orion set I had that I don’t even care.
(Plus it’s not as apparent in-person, and I don’t think there’s any way of fixing it without opening the unit, PVM 8044Q, which I’m not keen on doing.)

Would you be able to display any console that supports SCART via 9-pin Dsub using one of these cables?
https://coolnovelties.co.uk/coolnovelties/commodore-amiga/67-philips-cm8833-mk2-rgb-monitor-to-scart-adapter-0705693506357.html

>>5198195
it'll only work with a 15khz analog RGB monitor like the Amiga ones.
It won't work with CGA monitors.

>>5197941
Might just be his camera. My camera takes pics of my monitor that make it look like the convergence is horrible, but in person it looks fine.

>>5198172
>I don’t think there’s any way of fixing it without opening the unit, PVM 8044Q, which I’m not keen on doing.)
Opening a PVM is easy as pie, as is making the convergence adjustment. Might even be able to find a PDF of the user manual to see how to do it officially, but there's probably youtube vids about it.

I mean, if you're going to own a PVM, you may as well make it look decent. Otherwise you'd have been better off just settling for any random tube you find on the street corner. It's like owning a sports car, but driving it around with a flat tire.

>>5197520
I don't see why it would be any kind of special scenario. 240p and 480i are essentially the same resolution. There really is no "switch" between them.

>>5191670
I think Mitsubishi sets are really underrated. I had a 1987 Mitsubishi that I played just about every video game ever on until 2009-ish. It's still in storage at my parents' house, actually. I like how you can almost immediately identify a Mitsubishi set because all of their screens were that faint blue-gray when they were turned off, instead of just flat gray.

>>5191835
>Only issue I have with carrying it is that the bottom of the frame is kind of sharp plastic and will practically cut your skin with the sheer weight if you're not wearing gloves.
This is the major issue with carrying most big CRTs; there's just no good place to grab them. Plus the awkward weight distribution doesn't help. I carried a 32" JVC up and down a flight of stairs many years ago. I just did it one step at a time. Didn't have any gloves and my fingers were killing me by the end.

>>5187010
As long as you are aware how fuckhuge a 36" set is (especially with the speakers to the side of the tube like that) and have a friend to help carry it, go for it.

Anyone here got or used a Barco 28" monitor?

I've heard their projectors and pc monitors are fuckawesome but what about 15khz stuff? Worth picking up locally?

Pic unrelated.

anyone got info on hd crt lag? i can get a panasonic CT-30WX54 and was wondering if it'd lag plugging in a genesis

>>5198463
I can't say for sure, but from the looks of it, yes. Those HD CRT sets also upscale 240p images to 480p like a modern flatscreen does, so you're basically paying for the worst of both worlds with those things. As far as input lag, the upscaling process does introduce the possibility of it, but there's no way to tell if it's bad or if it would specifically bother you unless you test it out and judge for yourself.

>>5198463
>got info on hd crt lag? i can
I think it depends on the set. I have a 36" HD wega, widescreen even, but there isn't much lag. I'm sure it's there but it's honestly not enough to mess you up on even heavily action oriented games.

>>5194424
>>5194851
OK, so I picked it up today and it's pretty fantastic. The one problem is the geometry is slightly fucked. The X-axis looks fine but the Y-axis is stretched off screen on both ends. I noticed the Playstation logo looked a bit taller than usual almost instantly and confirmed it in 240p test suite.

Is something like this easy enough to tweak/fix in the service menu or would this require cracking this thing open? I've never messed with the former and don't want to mess with the latter.

>>5198442
Barco's are fine. I like those non-sony brands of RGB monitors because they tend not to have retard retro gamer tax tacked on to it.

>>5199487
For reference.

>>5199541
Good news anon -- that's easy peasy to fix in the service menu. Is that thing a flat-screen? It's got some of the nicest geometry I've seen for one, if it is. Very straight lines.

>>5199546
That's good to hear. It's a curved TV actually. Came out in 2004.

>>5191207
when I recap my PVM here's how I'll do it. (electronics hobbyist here)
take it apart, look at all caps, write down values, note the height width and lead spacing where necessary
order new caps from mouser, all 105C rated, nichicon wherever possible
desolder with a good tool (braid ain't gonna cut it)
I probably won't do all the caps though, it should be easy for me to see which ones are important or in high heat areas

>>5198195
If using it to connect to a CM8833 or other monitor with matching pinout yes.

>>5199701
>nichicon wherever possible
Is this considered the best current brand? If so, why?
>>5199701
>desolder with a good tool (braid ain't gonna cut it)
So a desoldering gun then, right?

>>5199581
>>5199541
Ok so I fiddled for a bit and got pretty damn perfect geometry. Only problem is the settings aren't saving. They persist as long as I keep my TV on but as soon as I power off, the settings have reset. I've tried fully exiting the service menu before powering off and powering off while in the geometry menu. I don't see any option to save my adjustments.
What gives?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/40889566/Philips-27ms3404-17-Service-Manual

>>5199738
Major japanese cap brands are Rubycon, Nichicon, United/Nippon Chemi-Con, also Sanyo/Panasonic/Hitachi if you see them.

>>5199581
>It's a curved TV actually.
That explains it. It looks nice.
>>5199778
>I don't see any option to save my adjustments.
I don't know anything about Magnavox sets, but on my Sony Trinitron from the same era, you need to save the settings by pressing MUTE and then ENTER, otherwise they'll revert. Try searching online and see if you can find the equivalent for your TV.

>>5199778
Are you powering off completely or switching into standby?

According to the service manual the settings are written when switching to standby but some may not take effect until the set is started from cold i.e switched off at the mains.

>>5200414
I'll google around a bit for saving methods. This TV doesnt seem super well documented.
>>5200431
I've only been powering off via the remote and the front facing button. I'll try just unplugging the thing to save settings when I get home.

>>5194608
>>5194625
>>5194630
Latency is what matters. Nothing will be able to replace CRTs there because the market does not care about it.

I'm a bit confused as to what the grid should look like. Since the red squares aren't always expected to be visible, should I set geometry so they're hidden? Or like this where they're fully visible?

>>5200457
>This TV doesnt seem super well documented.
I found this on a now-offline forum page using the Wayback Machine:


Philips 29PT8303 and other similar models:

Using the remote control, press 062596, then the MENU key.

(From RONGYOUNG@aol.com.)

The access code for my Philips/Magnavox model TP3281CI is: Key in 062596, then press STATUS. This will get you into the setup menu. When done exit using the MENU key back to the normal picture. (Just as you would to exit the normal menu items). To save your changes you need to turn the TV off and then UNPLUG it for 10 or more seconds.

Here's the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20180314050726/https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvadjlost.htm

>>5200564
>To save your changes you need to turn the TV off and then UNPLUG it for 10 or more seconds.
Ah, there it is. Thanks anon.

Do you guys adjust your adjust for 240p and have some underscan in 224p modes or do you adjust for 224 and have overscan in 240p/480i modes?

>>5200561
A good rule-of-thumb is to adjust it so that the red squares are halfway off screen. You wanna be able to see half of each red dot.

>>5198307
>I mean, if you're going to own a PVM, you may as well make it look decent.

Not him but my unit needs new convergence strips and maybe rearranging the existing ones but they seem to be stuck in place and I'm too scared to move them around out of fear of breaking it.

How do I get over this fear?

I used the service manual and the 240p test suite to fix everything except that one thing.

Oh and how do I properly clean all of the dust?

Pic related is how I left it, I moved the image to the left and left a bit more overscan overall after taking the pic.

Can anyone help recommend me some Enhanced Definition CRT TVs? I've been looking everywhere for one but I can't find them in North America. All I ever find is PC CRTs or HD CRTs. I just want something that's lagless and is above or about 25 inches in screen size.

>>5200691
From what I've seen, all EDTVs were early LCD or plasma displays. You'd be better off hunting down a multiformat monitor if you want one at that size.

>>5200735
this

Native 480p (ED) CRT TVs do not exist. EDTV is a marketing term used during the early 2000s when early LCD, Plasma and CRT displays began appearing on the market with resolutions above Standard Definition (SDTV), which was 480i/240p (15kHz). In the case of "HD" CRTs, they actually displayed at 540p/1080i.

>>5200662
>How do I get over this fear?
That's probably a good fear to have, if you're not skilled enough to confidently fix it then you're best off leaving it alone.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if I got a old TV and only has coaxial. If I got a coaxial to composite adapter, would I lose any picture quality when plugging it in to a N64 or Playstation?

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I have a old TV and it only has coaxial. If I got a coaxial to composite adapter, would I lose any picture quality when plugging it in to a N64 or Playstation?

>>5200805
I was too scared to even mess with the pots at first but after reading up on it and getting all the safety precautions I got it done with no problems and it was worth it in the end.

The problem with the strips is that I don't have any to add and the ones that are there seem to be stuck.

I tried to nudge them a little but they wouldn't budge.
In the videos I've seen they seem to be able to move without issue.

>>5200848
RF is the worst video quality possible so yes. Why not find a TV that can accept something better?

>>5200759
Well, there are a few Magnavox sets which claim to accept input formats of 480i and 480p; if it were hd it would also accept 1080i, and if it were sd it would be weird to for it to accept 480p content to downscale, so my guess is that it is an edtv crt
https://www.cnet.com/products/magnavox-32mt6015d/specs/

>>5201015
>cnet
quit using that garbage website. 5 times out of 10 the information is outright false. go look in the manual for that set and you'll see it's a standard definition tv

Upgrading from a 14AF44 to a 27AF46 tonight and super stoked because I used to have a 26AF45C which was almost identical specs, just widescreen.

I'm still saving up for my NESRGB, but this isn't bad for composite!

>>5200735
For 480p, there are some big PC CRTs, some presentation/videoconferencing monitors.

Thanks for helping with calibration, /vr/. It turned out some awful vertical stretch feature (for watching widescreen DVDs in fullscreen I guess) was enabled in the menu settings. After disabling that I had very little to fiddle with in the service menu.

>>5201158
>NESRGB
Do yourself a favor and don't buy into that revisionist meme. Enjoy the NES as it's supposed to be, no need to bypass half its guts just to make it look like an emulator.

>>5201158
buddy you need a recap not rgb. what does a grid look like on that set?

>>5201975
>buddy you need a recap
Curious, what about that picture makes you think he needs a recap?

>>5202069
if you look at the vertical lines everything is wavy, like a sawtooth pattern.

>>5202072
Ohhhh, yeah. I thought that was just regular composite fuzz, but it's more obvious on the white text at the top of the screen.

>>5201975
A grid looks terrible. I've tried adjusting the geometry countless times and have just given up on it. It's a beautiful set so I'm not really concerned with having perfect geometry anymore.

>>5202135
I'm not wondering about the geometry but rather what vertical lines look like on it. Would you be able to take a pic for me please?

>>5202137
Sure, I'll post one tonight when I get off work.

>>5202072
NES composite does that, it's moving 1/3 colour cycle per line instead of the usual NTSC half cycle so you get the jagged edges if not using a comb filter

Isn't there some TV repair course I can take that would cover fixing up CRTs in a safe environment? I'd pay out the ass to learn all the skills needed to keep these sets going firsthand.

>>5202284
>Isn't there some TV repair course I can take that would cover fixing up CRTs
take an electronics course & work yourself backwards.

>>5201975
>>5202072
>>5202078
>videophile bandwagoners have never seen the output of an actual NES before
Why am I not surprised?

>>5201158
>NESRGB
What's the fucking point. May as well just use an NES emulator on a Wii and plug it in with Component. Wii is powerful enough to provide NES emulation nigh indistinguishable from real hardware beyond negligible input delay.

>>5202363
I literally played my NES on composite last weekend on a fucking 30-year-old CRT I've had since I was 5, and the vertical lines weren't that squiggly.

>>5202384
What's the point of doing anything, anon?

Is there anything I can do about Component/RGB shift? On my set it shifts the image a full inch to the left. I've compromised by shifting the image in the service menu to the right about half an inch so that Composite/S-Video and Component are both equally a little off-center but it isn't ideal. The Wii lets you pan the screen in the system menu but for my component connected Xbox and PS2 I'm at the mercy of the particular game.

>>5202384
Real hardware autism, without realizing NESRGB is bypassing the actual NES hardware.

Can anyone help me find a service manual for a mitsubishi CS-2656R? I found something that says it uses a TM2-B chassis but I'm having trouble finding any docs beyond that.

>>5202384
Also, I guess if they have the picture quality autism (like a lot of people here). You could spend the money on a Wii dual and get something more versatile than something that can only play high quality nes games

>>5173607

post a FREE ad for this on CL at least and maybe someone better than you will pick it up

>>5202137
>>5202141
What do you mean by vertical lines? Is it something I can find in the test suite?

>>5203168
That's fine.

>>5203168
your set is a-okay man, guess it's an NES thing like the other guy mentioned. enjoy the crt, it looks great!

>>5202384
>NESRGB
>What's the fucking point.
The point is
>the picture is clean, crisp and arcade-quality
>the multiple pallet options are fun to play with, if not entirely accurate
>I did the mod myself as a weekend project because I actually like and understand electronics beyond mashing buttons on them
>I can play all the carts I've had since I was a kid on it
>I can easily use all the add-ons and controllers like the Advantage and light gun that I still have without needing to buy adapters, if the Wii even supports that
>as an added bonus, no need to switch to component on my monitor and swap cables every time I want to play NES because everything else I have is RGB-compatible, too.

So... yeah. Stay salty that other people are enjoying things you hate, I guess.

>>5203842
Do you honestly think people hate console mods? He looked like he just thought it was mostly a waste of money since it's super easy to emulate NES games even at 240p. Compared to say, an N64 RGB mod where it's not so easily emulated. Also, you can get RGB out of a Wii

>>5203887
in my opinion the nesrgb looks worse than native composite, not in small part due to the colors being incorrect

>>5203949
I recall there having been a recent firmware update available for the NESRGB board that has an improved color palette that is closer to the composite original.

But it seems silly to get high and mighty about the colors which, if you're playing on an old CRT, are probably going to vary anyway depending on the model, picture settings and general wear and tear on the set. Really, getting all high and might about color accuracy seems way more autistic than just wanting a video quality better than composite.