/vr/ - Retro Games

One of them is still remembered outside of communities with artificial definitions of what periods of time are retro.

>Super Castlevania Bros.

My vote goes to Symphony.

Symphony invented an entire genre.

Castlevania 4 is triumphed at it's own fucking game by Rondo.

>>5166748
>Symphony invented an entire genre.
No it didn't.

>>5166754
Name a MetroidVania that came before it.

>>5166778
Super Metroid?

>>5166730
SoTN is better assuming we're directly comparing these two games. SC4 isn't even the best Classicvania, Rondo is a much better time. If we're comparing the genres though, I still prefer Metroidvanias as a whole compared to Classicvanias

>>5166778
Metroid, Metroid 2, Super Metroid

>>5166778
Wonder Boy in Monster World.

CV4 doesn't even surpass CV3 and gets obliterated by Rondo
Why do people love this game when the precuel and the secuel beat it at it's own game?

>>5166778
Faxanadu.

>>5166798
>>5166802
>>5166804
Not MetroidVanias.

>>5166808
No.

>>5166810
Are you, in fact, retarded
why do you think they're called METROIDvanias

>>5166815
So are SRPGs and ARPGs the same thing because they both have RPG elements?

>>5166819
If it has 2D platforming, an entirely open world, and your progression is gated by items, it's a metroidvania.

>>5166819
Literally the only difference between Super Metroid and SoTN is that you shoot in one and have a sword in another, and that you level up in one and you don't in the other. Otherwise they're structured EXACTLY the same with the same excact type of progression

>>5166821
>>5166825
Yeah but do you fight Dracula in Metroid? Do you explore a huge epic castle? I didn’t fucking think so. There’s more to games than just gameplay. You have to the theme into account.

>>5166819
You're being too vague with your argument...it's more in the same vein as roguelikes, as in every game that is like Rogue...it was the first Castlevania to be in that Metroid style, and since Castlevania was an already established brand, it didn't get called a Metroidlike, but instead a Metroidvania and the oldschool style of games remained being called Castlevanias.

The whole term Metroidvania should just be applied to Castelvania games and everything else should be called Metroidlikes, but no one's going to do that.

>>5166839
>Yeah but do you fight Dracula in Metroid?

Pretty much, yeah.

>>5166843
Fuck. I stand corrected.

>>5166839
I'm sure you're either not the same guy and making fun of him or if you are the same guy just baiting at this point, but "metroidvania" is in regards to gameplay, theme has nothing to do with it. FF9 and SMT Nocturne are both JRPGs

>>5166847
Nocturne is a bad RNG simulator tho.

>>5166867
Personal opinions of the game aside it's really not as bad as you make it sound, it's easy to manipulate the flow of combat if you know what you're doing it's still a JRPG

>>5166730
Both are easily among the worst games in their respective subgenre, lmao

>>5166730
>No Rondo
What the hell were you thinking?

>>5166893
Symphony is better than HoD. Maybe PoR too.

>>5166730
Is this a debate? At least Castlevania IV doesn't look like yaoi manga.

>>5166896
it's obvious that rondo is better than both, there would be no debate

>>5166778
Maze of Galious

>all this sperging over the definition of what a metroidvania is or isn't
What a pedantic faggot. The term couldn't be any more clear about what it is yet you still bitch and moan about it.
On a somewhat related note, I hope all the zoomers who think the term should be replaced with something else for no other reason than
>I don't like thing
fuck off for good.

SotN
Next

>>5166748
>Symphony invented an entire genre.
Metroidvania was never meant to be the name of a genre. It was originally a nickname for Symphony of the Night to make fun of it for not being a "real" Castlevania game.

>>5166778
SotN isn't even the first Metroidvania from Konami.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMKSVjq54k0

SoTN has decent pkay time. Something you won't find on arcade shit.

>>5167473
Looks kinda fun. Gonna check it out.

>>5167476
It’s bloated and nowhere near as satisfying to beat.

>>5166730
SotN was objectively the best.
Good response controls, excellent graphics and atmosphere, and an overall sense of polishness.
SotN is the posterboy of metroidvanias.

Metroid is the first Metroidvania.

>>5167473
1987 release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyNRl7hvAro

>>5167504
Gods, MSX hardware had such shitty limits, the engineers could have tried a little harder

>>5167510
It is amazing Metal Gear 2 turned out to be so good at what it did using the MSX for 1990.

Sotn is pretty bad, 4 is not as good as 3 or Rondo, but still good.

Its hardly a debate.

>>5167516
That's the MSX2 though, it was already a big step forward compared to the orignal system.

>>5166981
Metroidvania used to be fucking despised as a term. You're not fooling anyone.

>>5167534
>Metroidvania used to be fucking despised as a term
by shit eating retards, sure

>>5167534
In all my years on this site, there's always one or two dudes that throw a shitfit over the term. Everyone else goes on about their day because they're not suffering from brain damage.

SotN killed the Castlevania series, so SCIV

>>5167728
Objectively false.

>>5166730

>Entertainment Weekly gave the game a C-, saying that the visuals were dated and flat, when compared to as Nightmare Creatures which featured 3D environments.[67]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Symphony_of_the_Night#Reception

>>5167906
>Entertainment Weekly

>>5166918
This
Fuck Igarashi for opening the gates to fujoshits

>>5166778
Legacy of Wizard

i love SOTN but this was the first real metriodvainia

>>5168221
The Maze of Galious came first by a few months and The Goonies II also. Legacy of the Wizard as well for a non Konami example.

>>5166730
SCV4 really isn't even anything special. It's good, but it's just kind of... meh.

SotN has some problems, but it's honestly pretty fantastic, especially for its time.

>>5167728
If anything it saved the series. Rondo wasn't going to be topped, and even that didn't exactly blow up outside of Japan. Symphony made people freak out over Castlevania again during a time when Castlevania 64 was 'relevant', which lead to the GBA and DS games... most of which are pretty fantastic.

>>5166815
You just proved your own ignorance.

Metroidvania comes from the Castlevania series copying the Metroid formula, it literally merges the two franchises. If Metroid games were Metroidvanias, then the term wouldn't make any sense because they don't include any of the "vania" in them. They're just Metroids.

Is a lion also a sea lion? By your logic it has to be, because sea lion contains the word LION. Nevermind that whole 'sea' bit.

>>5170420
>Metroidvania comes from the Castlevania series copying the Metroid formula, it literally merges the two franchises. If Metroid games were Metroidvanias, then the term wouldn't make any sense because they don't include any of the "vania" in them. They're just Metroids.
1. SotN doesn't include any significant degree of -vania in it either, other than aesthetics.

2. Most games that are called Metroidvanias certainly doesn't have any -vania or SotN elements.

>>5166730
Bloodlines owns both of these. But I still love symphony of the night, even if it's different

>>5167906
It took time for it to be appreciated.

>>5170442
>SotN doesn't include any significant degree of -vania in it either, other than aesthetics.
the setting alone is enough but there are plenty of call backs, not least of which are the CV3 heroes literally showing up as doppelgangers to fight.
What lse do you need? there's even a Richter mode for god's sake.

>>5170475
Not much. it was already a killer app for the Playstation back in the 90s. I remember because a friend wouldn't shut up about and I was amazed they were still making Castlevania games at all. But it was a huge hit out the gate.

It's interesting to see many people here actually prefer SOTN.
Of course, I prefer IV. One of the best classicvanias.

>>5166736
>being this much of a passive-aggressive bitch
embarrassing.

>>5166736
SOTN has a lot of influence from IV though.
It has way more Rondo stuff including Richter, since it's a sequel to that, but it still has some IV enemies (most notably Slogra and Gaibon), and also for example the Library location first appeared on Castlevania IV.
SOTN is definitely the most popular Castlevania title, but it owes a LOT to the original legacy of the series, and I think the NES Castlevanias, Rondo, IV and to a lesser extent Bloodlines all have an important position within the series' roots.

>tfw 1cc'd Super Castlevania IV
I heard one of you guys say this was as hard as like a Ninja Gaiden 1cc. It wasn't.
Not the easiest thing ever and I was sweating during the disappearing blocks and the clock tower but it wasn't that bad.
Then again I've played through this game like 10 times.

>>5166730
>IV
>not rondo
You fucked up OP

>>5171105
Rondo is overrated. It's good but it's about on par with the other 16 bit entries.

>>5166730
You lying faggot. There is no debate. SOTN is the better game. Super Castlevania is a throwaway game.

Pretending like there’s some sort of debate. Weak! 0/10

>>5171018
sick pose
but
>8 directional and flaccid whipping
>difficult

>>5166730

>all these people voting SOTN
>all these people praising Rondo
Can this board become even more casual?
Worst part is, you guys act all hardcore, lmao.

Played and replayed SoTN along the years.
Tried playing CV4 in 2011 and didn't like it.
Tried again in 2015, still couldn't get into it.
I'm trying again this year. This time emulating it on a Wii And playing it on a CRT instead of pc emulation and cheap LCD screen.
I like it so far and I might actually finish it.
I still think the classicvanias are too frustrating to play.
I like 4 so far because I can whip in any direction.
Dracula X is a pain to play because I can only whip forward.
Also fuck medusa heads.

>>5167669
Yet you can't prove them wrong

>>5171734
>a few tards throw a shitfit here and there for literally no good reason
>hurrrr prove them wrong

>play IV
>climb tall platform tower
>bat flies into me and knocks the character off to bottom of the screen where another platform was right before it scrolled
>dies and restarts at bottom
Dropped.

>>5171930
This your first Castlevania?

>>5166921
>rondo better than Sotn
are you retarded or from /v/?

Neither. The original is the king. Only pussies cry about it being hard.

>>5171948
IV is harder than 1.

>>5171930
You really don't belong here you absolute pussy gen z

>>5171930
>zoomzoom zoooom!

>>5171951
U wut m8, Death battle from 1 is harder than entire IV

>>5172032
holy water

I know its the trend to shit on 4 and suck Rondo dick but I just recently went through them all and 4 is so much fucking fun.

>>5171018
> got trolled into thinking CV4 is hard
> brags about beating it

1cc is tame with 1ups and starting with 5 lives or whatever it is they give you. No-death is something else entirely. Have fun resetting after the random blocks in stage 8. I've done it only 3 times so far and came close a few other times, and it's always tough.
I've done separate no-death runs with both Richter and Maria in Rondo and those are much easier than 4 due to lack of platforming.

>>5166730
Both games are babies first Castlevania

There's no debate, SOTN is babby's first "castlevania" game.

Real talk though, which Castlevanias can actually said to be hard?
Haunted Castle, Akumajou Dracula X68K, Dracula XX, Castlevania III (if you limit yourself to Trevor only).
Any other?

>>5173445
>if you limit yourself to Trevor only)
If you're gonna limit yourself, then you can limit yourself to not use the diagonal whip on IV, or not use the Bible/item crash on Rondo.

>>5173446
Trevor only is not that kind of limitations. He even got an ending, so technically you need to do it if you want to really complete the game.
>>5173445
You forgot The Adventure, and Vampire Killer on MSX has no continues.
Like half of the classic games are incredibly hard.

>>5173265
Not bragging about it, faggot, just relaying my experience.

>>5173276
> SotN was a cult classic that never was about difficulty
> "babby's first"
Try again zoomer.

>>5173575
>i-it was never about difficulty
The absolute state of IGAfags.

>>5173576
No, it was about being fun. Remember fun? Remember when your personal enjoyment of a game was the only metric that mattered before you felt or were convinced that other people's opinions influence how much fun you were having?

>>5173582
I was just kidding. I like SOTN but I always preferred the classic ones.
I also think the kids LARPing as hardcore players are funny actually.

>>5170734
Richter also plays a lot more like SC4 Simon

>>5170410
>Rondo didn't blow up outside of Japan
Rondo wasn't even released outside of Japan, what are you talking about

>>5166778
>>5166810
>>5166839
This is why "Metroidvanias" should just be referred to as Metroid clones (What they actually are.)

Just as this asshat said >>5170420
SoTN copied Metroid, while adding its own Gothic aesthetic. In the same way SoTN fanboys just tagged on the vania to Metroid, and pretended like both were equally significant.

So yeah, for me its gonna be Super Castlevania.

>>5170625
Because AVGN likes Super Castlevania 4, which increased it's popularity. It's just classic 4chan contrarianism.

>>5174708
>This is why "Metroidvanias" should just be referred to as Metroid clones (What they actually are.)
Oh god not this shit again. Whether you fags like it or not, Metroidvania is the term that caught on and you should probably get used to it. Shit you have no reason other than autism to not be used to it by now.

Should I play Rondo of Blood or Dracula X? Far as I can tell Dracula X is a remake

>>5174708
Exactly. SOTN is literally the only game to copy a style or genre from another game. What gives? And we're supposed to like it despite that?

>>5174842
You fuckers either say AVGN is parroted or contrarians deliberately refute him.
which is it

>>5174842
No. It's because Egoraptor made a video thoroughly tearing CV4 apart. It's classic 4chan sheeple.

>>5175314
Dracula X because the SNES is the better system.

>>5175637
>SNES is the better system.
It has a slower CPU than the PC Engine which was released 3 years earlier and at a lower price. Pathetic.

>>5175637
Rondo is the better game though.

>>5166730
they are both great games. i prefer Super Castlevania IV along with Castlevania and Castlevania III:Dracula's Curse.

After Super Castlevania IV, the Castlevania series starts to feel too ... Japanese or something.

>>5175470
4chan is contrarian, 4channers get mad at people enjoying popular things. It's classic.
I love Super Castlevania (honestly one of the best in the series) but I also shit on it here to go along. It's just funposting.

>>5175797
Rondo is on PC Engine CD though, not base PC Engine.
>>5175314
It's not a remake. Play Rondo first, then Dracula X. Dracula X is harder.

>>5167516
the MSX is a colecovision, the MSX2 is a master system.

>>5176113
>Rondo is on PC Engine CD though, not base PC Engine.
Unlike Mega CD, the PC Engine CD doesn't provide the PC Engine a new upgraded CPU.

>>5166778
You're such a boomer.

>>5166839
>moving goalposts this hard

Man admit you fucked up, you proved to be a dumb dumb it's better to admit you fucked up.

>>5176692
CPU isn't the only element of a system. Plus you (or the anon I replied to) mentioned price, so there you go, to play Rondo you had to invest on the CD add-on for the PCE.

>>5166730
Ghosts 'n Goblins > CV4
Demon's Crest > SotN

>>5166730
Now that i've completed all the NES, SNES games plus Rondo and SOTN, they're all good games but i'd probably give SOTN this one, if it was between CV3 or SOTN i'd hesitate though.

>>5177087
>CPU isn't the only element of a system
Sure, but it's the most important element.

>>5175314
The games are pretty much nothing alike. Sprites are shared but backgrounds, level designs, and music are different. Its not a port or even a remake since it's not even trying to be similar beyond the Richter connection.