/vr/ - Retro Games

I like Donkey Kong 64 more than both Banjos

FFV is the best FF, and IV is so fucking bland. It's unpopular outside of /vr/

>>5165554
>FFV is the best FF
This is a way too popular opinion that is completely undeserving. I've heard this and IX called the best FF game over the past 5 years more than any other.

JRPGs suck.

>>5165923

Shmups suck.

>>5165536
>>5165539
>>5165554
>>5165923
>>5165924

Fuck all of you

I prefer original hardware to emulation.

>>5165929

But that's not unpopular. The only ones who prefer emulation are poor people who convinced themselves they're not missing anything by emulating.

Composite looks just fine.

>>5165925
love ya too

>>5165939
there is literally nothing you miss by emulating any console pre 5th gen

>>5165945
what's the alternative?
I've always used those with a scart

There are absolutely zero (0) good Japanese games and pretty much no good console exclusive games.

>>5166186

All the games you like are bad.

Doom is overrated

>>5166189
Wrong, I already said that I don't play any Japanese games.
>>5166198
This is also very true.

>>5166210

>being contrarian means I have taste

Not even /v/ is this bad.

>>5166212
Why would you assume my tastes are bad when the only universally bad category of games is Japanese and I already said I don't like them?

>>5166217

Because I can shitpost like you.

>>5166219
I'm not shitposting, convince me otherwise. Tell me of even one Japanese game that is comparable to the upper echelons of Western game development. Ignoring JRPGs (which should hardly be considered games IMO) I can't think of any games that have the same kind of mechanical depth as was pretty much standard for Western games during the early 1990s, all the games I have played emphasize aesthetics over experience.

>>5166230

No one is gonna convince you of anything. Someone that unironically thinks like that doesn't really care for videogames as much as arguing on the internet.

>>5165536
Rare platformers are gimmicky and overrated

>>5166263
>Rare platformers are gimmicky
Of course they are. That's their whole appeal. Next you'll be telling us that water is wet.

Games which are easy can still be fun.

>>5165536
Correct
>>5165539
Half correct, BT > DK > BK
>>5165554
Correct
>>5165923
Incorrect
>>5165924
Correct
>>5165929
Correct
>>5165945
Incorrect
>>5166186
Incorrect
>>5166198
Correct
>>5166263
Half, they’re gimmicky but not overrated
>>5166407
Correct

Zelda 2 is the best Zelda game.
ALttP, LA, and BotW are the only other ones in contention. Zelda 1 is fun but not on the same level, Ocarina’s pacing is terrible, Majora doesn’t have enough dungeon crawling.

>>5166417

>BT > DK > BK

>>5166230
Your irrational way of thinking already shows that any evidence provided will only serve to bolster your argument, regardless of how damning it is to your groundless opinion.

>>5167050
Don't feed obvious trolls, dumbass. Is this your first day on 4chan?

>>5165536

Unpopular opinion: The Master System is kind of shitty even if you include the european releases, because almost all of the good games are janky and inferior to similar games on the NES.

It's very technically impressive, though.

>>5165536
how? it's the same game with less gameplay and more unfun gimmicks and minigames.

>>5165986
Of course there is. Input lag free gameplay, for one.

>>5167178
barely if at all noticeable. anything else?

>>5166230
>Tell me of even one Japanese game that is comparable to the upper echelons of Western game development.
>I can't think of any games that have the same kind of mechanical depth
Super Mario 64 has by far more mechanical depth in its movement than any western game, let alone any western platformer.

>>5167180
>barely if at all noticeable.
No, that isn't correct.

>>5167180
>lag is okay as long as you're too stupid to notice it lol!

>>5167182
>>5167185
it makes a split second's difference, who cares? it's not like it makes games less playable.
>I proudly spend thousands on physical hardware and games just so I can have fractionally more responsive controls, lol those emulator users sure are dumb!

>>5166263
The gimmick was they were better than all other ones at the time.

>>5167194
>it makes a split second's difference, who cares?
People who like their button presses to correspond with their character's actions on screen.
>thousands
You're retarded, aren't you?

>>5167194
>a split second's difference
If you're legitimately claiming to have no problem with half a second of lag you should probably stop pretending you actually play video games.

>>5167181
>falling for the world's most obvious bait
congratulations, you're retarded

>>5167204
>>5167206
you're both major autists lol. The inputs do correspond with the character movement on screen, unless you haven't played an emulator since the 90s or something. it's not 'half a second', it's a literally unnoticable fraction of a second.
stay mad that you're grown men who waste real money on children's toys to get the 'best experience possible' lmfao

>>5167194
>Being this poor
Damn I work at McDonald's and have every video game. You must be unemployed

>>5167230
>if u don't waste your money on plastic shit you must be poor lol!!
holy shit, I won't stoop to posting pictures of nu-males but those are the faces I see behind posts like this. spend your money on something more productive you subhumans

>>5167229
it's 1-2 frames of added lag as long as you know what you're doing. it's 3-4 frames if you don't. a frame or two was a big deal years ago when almost all non-CRT monitors and tvs added 5+ frames of lag on their own, but that's not the case anymore. it's easy to get monitors and tvs with a single frame (or less than a frame) of lag, making emulators totally playable. in fact, at that speed, they're comparable to real hardware through an upscaler... as long as you have a decent monitor or tv.
these guys are either ignorant collectards trying to justify all the time and money they've poured into their hobby, or just trolls trying to fuck with you.
the second is more likely on /vr/

>>5167171
This really

>>5167171
>less gameplay
???

>>5167263
the levels are huge so you spend a lot of time just walking from objective to objective with no unique or interesting interactions. bk is much more tightly designed and doesnt have this problem.

>>5166123
2/10 made me reply

Hard Corps is the only good /vr/ Contra game.

>>5166230
>aesthetics aren't a factor in experience

The super sekrit ebin hidden replay mindset of shmupfags are part of the reason why that shit genre has died, and I feel no sympathy for it

>>5167230
If you work at McDonald's stop spending money on video games. I don't mean for you to stop having fun, but it simply isn't a reasonable choice for the time being.

>>5167386
OH come on

>>5165945
Wait Ive been using these all my life. What the fuck do you guys use

>>5167606
RF

/vr/ could be renamed as /nintendoretro/ without problems as the people here would just carry on with their zelda, mario or metroid discussions

>>5167382
I really don't know
that pic seems like a ps1/ps2 a/v cable, I've always used that, are they bad?

>>5167629
I wish, but you know anything nintendo gets shat upon by segatards and sony ponies.

>>5167651
I hate nintensoys, but I really don't see any sega fanbase autism on that level. There's sonic autism sure, but that's different to the whole company

>>5167645
No. It's just bait.
Discussing AV options is an easy way to start a flame war because there are so many, and some people have extremely strong preferences.

>>5165923
Correct

>>5165923
This isn't even an unpopular opinion.

Secret of Mana is stupid, terribly paced, and too dependant upon you constantly upgrading your armor rather than anything else.

>>5165536
BK had a weaker beginning and a stronger end.
BT had a stronger beginning and a weaker end.

I like Tooie better overall though.

>>5165923

agreed 100%

Mario 64 sucks.
Spyro the Dragon > Ripto's Rage.
Shining Force had better sprites than Final Fantasy
Sega Genesis is the console for kids with alcoholic parents
Ape Escape was better than Crash Bandicoot
People who prefer emulation over hardware need their own containment board

>>5167981
>Mario 64 sucks.
>Spyro the Dragon > Ripto's Rage.
>Shining Force had better sprites than Final Fantasy
Those are fucking right, though.

>>5166230
Fighting games are the most mechanically deep games there are.

>>5165536
Depends on what you prefer, linear progression or sandbox like exploring, in which case, I'd rather play though Kazooie since it's more straight to the point, than Tooie which you'll want to take the time and not rush. This is the only thing that really separates these two games to me. So overall 55/45 in favor of Kazooie.

CRT TVs to play retro games are overrated. HD is way fucking better in every way.

Unpopular opinion (apparently) in this thread, but POPULAR opinion everywhere else:

Banjo-Kazooie is WAY BETTER than Banjo Tooie.

Honestly, Banjo Tooie was kind of an over hyped over produced piece of junk. It had obvious good production value but it also had no point or purpose. It was a pointless waste of time. It sucked.

Rareware best boss fights were in DK64.

>>5167317
Nah theres more minigames and multiplayer. it literally has more content. Whether that makes it better or worse is up to you.

Rare somehow forgot how to make good games after the NES.

>>5167981
>Mario 64 sucks.
Wrong, and only a genuine idiot would believe this.
>Spyro the Dragon > Ripto's Rage.
Correct.
>Sega Genesis is the console for kids with alcoholic parents
Obvious nonsense if you think about it for three seconds.
>Ape Escape was better than Crash Bandicoot
Correct.
>People who prefer emulation over hardware need their own containment board
Correct.

>>5168386
>HD is way fucking better in every way.
CRT tvs are lagless you fucking dunce.

>>5168386
Aye, scanlines are overrated. These games look way better on my 4K OLED than they ever did on a little PVM. Nice crisp pixels and no fucky geometry.

>>5165945
You're correct. Anything more than RF or composite means you care more about jerking off to video inputs than you do about playing video games.

>>5169659
Unless you're playing a fucking Atari 2600, RF is unacceptable.

Soul Blazer is more fun and interesting than Illusion of Gaia.
Diablo 1 has a much better atmosphere to it than Diablo 2.
The playstation port of MegaMan X3 butchered the fucking hell out of the soundtrack, except for 2 songs which were alright (Toxic Seahorse, Blizzard Buffalo).

>>5169684
You played on RF just fine in the 80s and 90s, you can still play on it just fine today.

>>5165536
OoT is the pinnacle of gaming and everyone should have quit then.

For some reason i beat tooie like 3-6 times but never beat kazooie. Kazooie alwaya felt more difficult for me as a kid for some reason.

>>5165945
Depends on the console

Genesis Composite is pretty shitty
Turbografx composite is great

>>5168431
It has more content but terrible pacing, overly-large levels, and less overall polish. That makes the content feel tedious and slapdash instead of cohesive and fun.
BT is a good game, it's just not as good as BK.

>>5170136
>You played on RF just fine in the 80s and 90s, you can still play on it just fine today.
Most of the faggots obsessed with razor-sharp pixels were not alive in the 80s and 90s, or didn't get into gaming until later. That's why they think it's unacceptable to play games the way we always did. They have no genuine nostalgia or love for the era.
They're chasing the emulator look. That's what they think games look like. They're nostalgic for an imaginary version of the 80s and 90s. That's why the obsession with razor-sharp pixels gets worse every year.
And some are just insecure cork-sniffers caught up in the meme. It's best to ignore them.

>>5170136
Actually, I mostly only played on component. I didn't even get an HDTV until the latter half of the 2000's.
I don't consider myself a graphics whore by any means, and think this RGB modding nonsense is dumb, but to me, RF is a step of degradation too far, and is only useful for when you've run out of inputs on your TV.

>>5170825
I was born in '93. My first experiences came from the tail end of the 90's, on the PS1 and N64, with some Genesis played at a friend's house. I'm guessing that's too late to count for most people here, though.

>>5170850
RF sucks but it's fine if its the only option. Composite is fine for the vast majority of games. Anything else is gravy and mostly driven by snobs and bandwagoning zoomers who grew up on emulation.
We don't mind younger gamers (not that you're THAT young...) we just hate snobs and people who see "retro" games as some trendy bullshit.
They're just old games. They don't have any magic powers or special traits just by virtue of being XX years old. People should play them and enjoy them, not gatekeep each other, chase fads, and obsess about unimportant details.

>>5170934

Pretty much everything you said is wrong.

>>5170965
looks like you're in the right thread.

>>5167981
>Mario 64 sucks.
True
Still sucks less than Galaxy, though

>>5165539
half correct

BK>>DK64>>BT

it's such a shame about BT. Some of the levels are true brilliance, like witchyworld and jolly roger bay, but you have a lot of generic or convoluted levels (the mine, grunty industries)

DK64 is tedious but very straightforward. BT is tedious AND convoluted

>>5166417
You have the worst taste possible for a human being.

>>5165536
I disagree. While BK is a way more linear experience as you can always 10 jiggy any level you enter without needing something from a world in advance it feels more consistent with its approach. Tooie felt like they had a competition for how many holes to other levels they could shove in like the isle of hags is built out of Swiss cheese. It makes that ice fire world my most hated not for the themes itself but all the damn back tracking. I will give credit for the better quests and bosses though.

>>5165536
Parasite Eve is pretty fun.

>>5172104
Incorrect

>>5173925
This couldn't be a less unpopular opinion.