/vr/ - Retro Games

Holy shit, you guys weren't memeing. I dusted off my 25 kg samsung syncmaster with the intention to play some dark games like Thief or Naissancee, and the perceived contrast difference is astonishing. It also feels that the highlights are brighter too, it hurts to look at white lights in a dim room in game.
Also tried out the first Quake at 640x480, looked crisp and blocky, I liked it a lot. Probably I will play most of the older games on the crt instead of fiddling with widescreen patches and looking at tiny art and fonts at modern resolutions.

>>5149569
How do I determine my CRT's worth?
Not in monetary value, I mean more like how good it is.

>>5149617
Tell a bunch of strangers the model number and maybe take some pics and they will all let you know

>let my photographer roommate borrow my CRT for an art exhibit for a night
>nearly have a panic attack thinking about someone spilling a drink on it or falling on it
>he brings it back home in the same exact condition
help me, I love my Toshiba too much

How terrible is my Emerson CR202EM9 crt. I just wanna chill and play some games but never knew wether to look for a flat front crt or a bubbled one. Not to familiar with the technology admittedly.

>>5149569
I recently got Sony Trinitron KV-14M1K. I don't know why but when I plug my psx with rgb scart, picture is moved to the left (cut off on the left, black bar on the right). I think geometry is also slightly fucked in the upper right corner. For some reason. I CANT change ANY value in the service menu. Help me pls.

>>5149784
This just seems to be an issue with some PS1/PS2s, my PS2 has this issue but not my PS1. Tried other consoles?

i have a crt that makes constant buzzing/static sounds. its a sony fs120, it has a headphone jack and the sound persists even with headphones connected. what can i do about it? it has such a nice picture and good geometry i would hate to have to toss it out.

>>5149734
The round CRTs are ideal. Flat CRTs will never have perfect screen geometry in the corners. Also, most flat screen CRTs are those late 90's/early 2000's EDTVs that support 480p/720p/1080i (great for 6th gen and some 7th) at the cost of not properly displaying 240p content with scanlines.

Is the sony KV25X1D a decent shout for a first CRT? Have the opportunity to maybe pick it up for free.

>>5149572
Same experience but after buying 18 inch diamondtron (compaq p920) monitor last month. The difference especially in motion is startling. It's not a meme.

>>5149784
RGB scart on PS2 does this for me too. PAL here. I haven't turned it on in a long time but I think I was using FMCB to fix it since it had the option in addition to forcing different outputs.

>>5149927
>Also, most flat screen CRTs are those late 90's/early 2000's EDTVs that support 480p/720p/1080i (great for 6th gen and some 7th) at the cost of not properly displaying 240p content with scanlines.
this is so fucking wrong. who told you this bs?

>>5150047
Wrong how?

>>5150059
Wrong because the VAST majority of flat screen CRTs are normal 240p/480i displays.

>>5150059
Plenty of flatscreen crt's aren't ed/HDTVs that display 240p/480i fine. You just stay away from the ones that do.

>>5150059
edtvs are extremely rare. hdcrts are generally widescreen. the majority of flatscreens are standard definition displays with component, s-video, and composite. they're generally the best set for a bandwagoner to pick up cause they're not as old and wont have age related issues.

How are 1ms panels compared to a CRT?
The only thing that still drives me insane from LCDs is the motion blur from the shitty response time.
Shelling out for a 120Hz panel is not an option for me.

heres mine. sorry about the flash.

>>5150560
no flash

>>5150564
I also put in Street Fighter 2

>>5150571
I got this TV from yard sale for $25 The owner said it was really never used. They used it for a few months then put it in storage and forgot about it while it stayed in its box for a long time. I love these curved Toshiba CRTs. Not sure what model it is.

>>5150576
Hello fellow Toshiba+ SE Xbox anon. Mine had a different button layout than yours though. It's got composite, svideo and component. Also has audio out as an added bonus.

super gameboy+s-video on a sears branded JVC manufactured set made in 2000

>>5150527
c'mon man flatscreens are not bang wagoning. I was picking up late model wegas in 2010 because they have great, crisp pictures. I have 3 now. When pvmemes become unobtainable like arcade monitors, that component input or rgb mod is going to look good to a lot of people. yes, the geometry can be off but for sonys its not even noticeable. gen 6 consoles and wii component 240p look great on them as well. I would recommend never touching an RCA flatscreen holy shit i went through 3.

My holy grail is a 20-25 inch trinitron with a curved screen and s-video but i haven't ever seen one in the wild.

>>5150640
I never said flatscreens are bandwagoning, just that they're good for bandwagoners to pick up for many reason. as long as you stay away from sony and other lower end brands a flatscreen is generally perfectly fine.

>>5150543
1ms panel is a TN, expect shitty viewing angles and contrast.

At 60Hz the motion blur you get from the 60Hz sample and hold is much more than you get from the response time unless you're getting something like an old 10+ms rated panel.

>>5150650
1ms actually means 11ms you know. don't trust bullshit marketing metrics.

>>5150650
I don't really mind shit constrast and stuff, I just want that SMOOTH motion from CRTs back.

>>5150658
And by smooth I mean CRYSTAL CLEAR

>>5150659
Then you want high refresh rate panel with backlight strobing.

Or a CRT.

>>5150564
>>5150571
Looks good, anon.

>tfw mother in law gave away my early 2000s Toshiba CRT TV/DVD/VCR combo
I nearly cried.

What's with the hating on flatscreens? They are great for free. Especially if you only use component like me.

>>5150576
Cool TV man, mines a basic model has only Composit.

>>5150602
cool TV man mines a basic model only has composit

>>5150689
Thanks anon

I love 240p.

whoms't else bought up all the pro monitors in their area and is sitting on them? What's your game plan? I'm waiting for the Kotaku article that's like '5 reasons CRTs are best for retro games' before I sell

>>5151076
I've got over 25 ranging from 8" to 29".

Probably never sell them though. I'm just a massive hoarder.

>>5150576
>>5150602
I literally have the same TV and its amazing

>>5149704
I had some guy reach out to me saying he wanted to use my 20m4u's for an art exhibit. I told him the rental for each one would be 300 plus a downpayment beforehand. And that is also want my name on exhibit. He got back to me and said he would just use regular old crts kek

>>5150658

If you're looking for a TV instead of a monitor, I picked up a Sony 900e last year, there is virtually no ghosting and feels like i'm playing on a CRT again. There is some slight input lag but i'm not autistic Neo from the Matrix and never notice that shit, I care more about the visuals.

>>5151532
>Motionflow™ XR 960 (native 120 Hz)
That's why

>>5151562

Even with the motionflow off and running 60hz I detect no noticeable motion problems, nor do I even use the black frame insertion. The other factor is the screen is very, very bright and colorful with deep blacks like a CRT. After poo-pooing LCD tech for years i'm thoroughly impressed.

>>5151380
you screen geometry is way better than mine though. The NW and SE corners of my screen are stretched out which causes some HUD elements to become cropped.

>>5151720
Sounds excellent. A true replacement for plasma as well, as it can be large, display 1080p and show great black/colours. The response times aren't as low as plasma, but still.

>>5151730
Yeah, thanks man. sorry that your tvs geometry is off a bit. There should be a hidden menu in the tv that allows you to adjust the screen. Basically my screen is the same geometry as>>5150571

>>5151785
I need to find a remote control for mine before I an do that. I guess an old universal remote could work?

Can fine-tuned adjustments like that be made form the hidden diagnostic menu> I was under the impression that you were limited to panning the entire display in a certain direction or zooming in/out and everything else requires opening up the TV.

>>5151791
Yeah, any universal remote will work. I can't remember the code for the hidden menu. You may wanna look that up for yourself.. Good luck!

reminder that there's nothing wrong with composite on a CRT

should i bother with this? I already have a small grey trinitron, but maybe I'm looking at something special here? it's going for a couple euros, but it's kinda far and I don't know if I wanna drive that far

>>5151987
this

>>5151987
Right, anyone who disagrees is autistic

>>5151532
>>5151720
can u link the exact model on amazon or something?

>>5152045
>>5152042
>>5151987
lol. Stop. You kids and your inexperience are just too funny.

>>5151987

It's alright if it's PAL video.

I got pic related today for $2 at a thrift store today. Is there any use for them what so ever.
Note:Its my only CRT so far.

>>5152067
No. Even Svideo isn't acceptable. Fucking trash kids need to be banned from this site.

any recommendations for a wxga crt? or one that will support wxga resolution and maintain the aspect ratio?

>>5152065

>>5152073
Better call Danny DeVito

>>5152070
I used to have pretty much that exact tv. Can't remember if there were any inputs on it. I'm guessing there aren't. Cute little thing, but probably nearing worthless.

>>5152203
I know that they are very common and my only has a composite input

Found a PVM-5041Q locally for $20. I've never had one of these super small PVMs before. Does anyone know how you adjust geometry & convergence on one? are there pots inside I would have to fiddle with?

>>5152312
Shill your shit elsewhere kike.

Medium-res

>>5149919
My 27" JVC does this. My solution was to disable the internal audio on the CRT itself. This usually stops the hum. Now I just run some PC speakers and a small sub right off the console or switch box. Sounds great, no more buzz. Good luck anon.

>>5150835
It's not really hating, they are alright. They do have geometry issues. If you don't see them, do yourself a favor, don't run 240p test suite or pay a lot of attention to geometry, it will ruin your life.

They are just fine for gaming but if you catch geometry autism your life is fucked.

>>5152070
Look up a blonder tongue rf modulator. You can use it to broadcast video to a channel. That's about all you can do with it at this point.

>>5152473
If you're on android swipe right in camera, go to pro mode, and change iso to 60 or under if you want the black stripes to disappear. Looks good though.

Dreamcast at 480p

>>5152513
that looks like a pretty low-res monitor

240p @120Hz + BFI
or
480p @60 +TVout-Interlacing shader
?

>>5152515
just an extreme close-up

>>5152517
run 3840x240

>>5152519
>Card dedicated to FG saves
Are you me

>>5152312
What is this, a TV for ants?

>>5152519
I know this is an odd request, but can you take a sweet powerstone photo like that. I don't have a pvm and would love to use it as a wallpaper.

>>5152537
that ain't a pvm, it doesn't have an aperture grille

>>5152458
>>5152524
Fixed it. There were around 8 pots inside I had to test to get the H & V size right, but I think it came out pretty good. This is the smallest RGB CRT I've ever seen. Took a picture for you guys.

>>5152543
looks like shit

>>5152543
play umihara kawase on it

>>5152505
Thanks. Maybe this came out a bit better.

>>5152537>
I'm trying but its hard to get a nice shot

>5152537
It's a VGA trinitron

>>5152553
>>5152541
oops

>>5152497
Jokes on you I've always had autism.

>>>5149218
>GCVideo
yea i'll pass on that

>>5152553
Take your time boss. It could just be a nice side view too. Much appreciated.

>>5152541
I haven't seen a PVM in person in over a decade.

>>5152617
>vmudream
Hi Sam.

>>5152617
Do you have a preferred character?

2D Portrait or in game 3D model?

>>5152553
>VGA trinitron
>tridot pattern

>>5151008
I should play Sky Gunner again.

>>5152637
It's a Lenovo. For some reason I thought it had a Trinitron tube.

>>5152629
That's sweet, I'm definitely saving that. How about the level with two battleships and falcon. It really doesn't matter.

>>5152543
gorgeous, close your ears to the hate

>>5152543
i only paid $200 for this. it was a great deal

>>5153081
what's the model number?

Me again.

Am I going to break my VGA CRT if I always use it at 120Hz?
Last CRT I had died out of nowhere. But to be fair, I also forced that one to do 1080i.

I like Bunny Link.

Where do you recommend looking to find a VGA CRT monitor?

>>5153081
Craigslist, offerup, letgo.

>>5151987
*blocks your path*

>>5153521
Hell yeah, sonic needed some puzzles.

>>5152065
>he doesn't know/care about dithering
your Zoomer is showing

>>5153521
that is caused by the genesis chip set though

>>5153541
Thus making composite not worthwhile.

>>5153521
See, this is why composite is superior, it emulate the waterfall's rainbow.

>>5153631

Reminder that most NES and SNES games were DESIGNED for composite input and take advantage of composite color mixing tricks.

>>5148624
Original hardware with svideo

>>5153729
No, retro games were designed for ultra sharp professional monitors and pixel perfect RGB connections, like most consumers had.

>>5153921
they were, actually

>>5153927
Damn, that's a high-quality manual. Was this only available in grorious nippon? All the genesis manuals I have or can remember were in black and white, even stuff like Sonic.

>>5153945
most jp manuals are full color yeah

Does anyone know what kind of 12v plug a pvm-8042Q uses?

I want to open my TV. Tell me why this is a bad idea. Is 8 bit guys discharge method ok?

>>5150292
A lot of them do have comb filters though, goodbye light gun.

Anyone have a recommendation for an Android app that can act as a remote for a CRT? I've got a great Toshiba but no remote.

>>5154060
All those kinds of apps are garbage from my experience. Just get a cheap universal remote.

>>5154051

Gonna shill this guy's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39PZB8gYhk

>>5154045
It's a 4 pin XLR connector. Expecting 12V@7A from a Sony AC-500. Pin 1 is supposed to be negative and Pin 4 should be positive.

>>5149569
heres another shitty pic

>>5154150
Thanks!

>>5153921
I mean

>>5154237
Oh no no no no

>>5154237
meanwhile nintendo has been using lcds to develop games as early as the late 80s

Had a CRT on for an hour & now my whole room smells like an ash tray. Is this a sign something is overheating, or that it came from a smoker's home?

>>5154278
take a cloth with isopropyl alcohol on it and wipe the case a little. if it comes off brown you've got a smokers set.

Got a CRT today, won 500 burger bux playing bingo, and beat Super Castlevania IV twice.

>>5154279
Just tried that. Seems clean.

>>5154282
>Got a CRT today, won 500 burger bux playing bingo, and beat Super Castlevania IV twice.
Sounds great, but any chance of breeding or practice in your future? That would have been a perfect day.

>>5154293
I'm sick with a bad head cold right now so the fact I did any of what I managed to do today was a bit silly. But when I'm feeling better yes possibly.

What causes horizontal (slightly diagonal) lines artifacts on a VGA monitor?

>>5154382
retrace lines maybe?

Short of obtaining another TV is there anything that can be done for CRT ghosting?

>>5153729
Autism. Why can't we ban people that spout this shit? It doesn't make sense as it isn't funny, troll, or anything. Just wasted space.

>>5154440
get a newer one with low persistence phosphorus

>>5154290
Probably just the dust inside cooking then.

>>5154382
>>5154416
This.

Is it a flat sony tube by any chance? Almost all of them have a well documented fault where the G2 (screen) voltage creeps up over time and needs to be reset using WinDAS.

>>5154186
doesn't look shitty to me anon

How do I simulate a CRT?

>>5153380
>>5153463
Am I seeing things or are you using your feet on the controller?

>>5154468
The TV I have is a Panasonic released sometime in the 2000s. It's not an impressive TV by any measure and absolutely required a service mode crawl to be presentable, but it seems kind of young to be experiencing the problem. It's only really noticeable against dark backgrounds and high contrast images. I hear phosphor trails are supposed to lessen as the set ages. Anyone know if there's any truth to that? The image otherwise is pretty decent and I doubt I'll junk it over some ghosting, but it is pretty annoying.

>>5154683
Retroarch has decent CRT filters and you can use overlays to add to the effect. There's no replacement for the real thing though. OLED screens will get you some closer.

>>5153463
That's the weirdest way of holding a controller I've seen in a long time.

>>5154716
That's nice.
Would like to know how they work so I can edit into photos

I got a VGA monitor today and It's pretty nice but there's a slightly noticeable vertical black line on the left side that appears to be constantly moving a little bit like a wave. Anybody know anything about this or how you can fix it?

Can someone help me out with horizontal geometry issues? Some games are so far right I adjust the horizontal position so it's centered but then other games show up as being too cut off on the left. Pic 1 is NES with major horizontal centering issues

>>5154860
Forgot pic

>>5154861
>>5154860
But then menus for my everdrive carts get pushed too far left and text gets cut off. It's like it has its own centering data that's different from everything else

>>5154869
Unfortunately on this tv I can only adjust horizons pos, not scale or keystone, which sucks. But it will let me adjust everything for vertical which is odd

>>5154860
Well disregard that, turns out the ONE game (SMB3) i decided to pick was the one that purposely was off centered. Either way, I wish my TV gave me more horizontal adjustment options instead of just position. According to the SM I should have access to all of them but maybe I have a gimped version

>>5154893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrNnwJrujw

>>5154882
>Unfortunately on this tv I can only adjust horizons pos, not scale or keystone, which sucks. But it will let me adjust everything for vertical which is odd
That's pretty common for CRT TVs I think. A lot of sets just have inherent horizontal overscan you can't do anything about. Not sure why but I know my TV is like that too. I can adjust vertical size and position in the service menu but only horizontal position. Personally I'm fine with that as most games of the time were developed with that overscan in mind.

>>5149569
Emulationfag here. Should I go for a CRT Monitor, or try and find a way to hook up my PC to a CRT TV? Last I looked into it there was a lot of stuff about having to use special drivers/software to get a PC to output the right signal for a TV, plus having to use special hardware to force 240p output instead of 480i, which all seems like it might be too much effort compared to just plugging the PC into a monitor and being done with it. Only issue is if I go with a monitor I can't get muh composite video for games that relied on blending. Is it worth the trouble?

>>5155053
You could get a Wii for emulation purposes and save yourself some hassle

>>5154447
Composite color tricks are a real thing.

>>5155053
A crt pc monitor might be worth it for the old pc games. I know when I play Diablo, blood, and other old games they look much better on my crt. I can't speak to emulation though

>>5154447
>spends 100s of dollars on professional CRT monitors, custom cables and RGB mods
>accuses the other person of having autism

right.

>>5155053
Get the monitor. You can still add a composite filter if you want just use retroarch

castlevania IV pic was one was on a snes with svideo, this one is wii VC with component. this series is pretty sweet, shame I never played them back in the day. rondo's music is top tier

>>5154682
thanks, im still trying to find the right settings for my camera to get a good looking pictures. I think this one is pretty good thanks to the anon last thread

>>5154724
lol

ANYONE got the pic of the Asian guy in bed with a crt monitor on its side next to him while he is laying down?

What are some of the best VGA monitors? Want to find something to hook my Dreamcast up to

>>5155492
The one I use is a Viewsonic E70f. Dreamcast looks pretty good on it.

>>5155469
Not exactly

>>5155530
got it

>>5155492
Just about any PC CRT in decent shape is going to be really nice for Dreamcast; Going for something from the high end would just be a waste.

>>5154416
>>5154479
Just looked up retrace lines, this is exactly what it is. It is an old IBM monitor. The only settings on it are brightness and contrast.

>>5155053
>having to use special hardware to force 240p output instead of 480i,
You can just set a custom 3840x240 @120Hz resolution.
Add some black frame insertion to negate the double frames and you get a monitor that's even sharper than the most expensive PVM you can find.

>>5150543
>>5150658
>>5150659
Don't fall for the TN gaming monitor meme. They still suck shit in motion clarity compared to CRT. We're fucked until some new tech arrives.

>>5155716
he wide

>>5153729
[citation needed]

>>5155716
>>5155717

>>5155718
There is a whole Wikipedia article about it, my friend.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_artifact_colors

>>5155736
except NES / SNES horizontal res is too low to use it

>>5155747
O lol
Well apparently some cga dos games, commodore, apple ii, trs 80 color computer, atari 8 bit computer, amiga, zx spectrum megadrive games did it

>>5155757
you can't use it on NES because of burst offset (something already done to mitigate composite artifacting)
And you literally don't need more colors for SNES lol

>>5149569
Is there a list of consoles that without mods support RGB/Scart for NTSC? What about a list of ones you have to mod. Seems RetroRGB is the closest to a list if you skim the site for each console.


Honestly surprised some turbo autist hasn't made an info-graphic to share of different outputs of each console or ones that need to be modded.

>>5149572
It also helps to get a non-shit OLED/LCD. Not memeing but a good LCD based tv has come a long way.

>>5155053
https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

Been playing Grandia and loving it. What a charming little JRPG.

>>5155973
Also got a super cheap editing VCR and watched a VHS of Star Trek IV that has been tucked in my underwear drawer for almost a decade.

Before I pay the big bucks for a replacement. The OSSC came with a l336 remote, when I replaced the batteries it lost the settings. Could I use a universal remote to get them back? How would you program one if you just bought it new from china instead of with the OSSC?

>>5155613
you'll have to either turn down the brightness or adjust the g2 voltage on the flyback.

>>5156082
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=OSSC_L336

Does this help you?

>>5156204
I had found that before, the thing is I think you need a linux/windows pc with an ir blaster to do that method.

Like, I think the remote works like this. First press is waiting for outside ir to learn from, every press after it sends the learned code out. I am not sure if the L336 has "default" ir codes for each button to send out, because if it did then my remote is fried as there doesn't seem to be action on any button I hit. I think even the OSSC can "learn" from any random remote too.

Sounds complex but I just can't seem to figure out if mine died. Also, maybe if an amazon/ebay replacement would be a good buy. Or if I pay the $30 for one from the OSSC site and wait a few weeks.

>>5156215
If you want to test whether the remote is working full stop just point it at your phone's camera and press buttons. You should see the IR illuminator light up as digital camera sensors can see into the non-visible part of the spectrum.

>>5156226
Interesting idea. The remote does seem to be working. But the OSSC doesn't flicker when I point it. This just makes me think the OSSC IR is dead.

>>5156278
Try resetting the OSSC's remote receiver to default first:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=OSSC#Remote_control_setup

>To configure the OSSC for a new infrared remote, find a suitable manufacturer code (e.g. from Toshiba, NEC etc.) so that the OSSC's green LED blinks when a remote button is pressed. Now, power cycle the OSSC while holding BTN1 on the OSSC's PCB. A target function name (e.g. "MENU") will then be displayed on the OSCC's LCD screen. Press the corresponding key on the remote control, if the OSSC receives the code correctly you will be prompted to confirm the new code. Press the same key again to confirm, or BTN0 on the OSSC's PCB to go to the previous key. If you press BTN0 when configuring the first key, the default keymaps will be loaded.

Question. Pic related. Is this my framemeister and open source scan converter doing this? Or has genesis with 32x always done this with RGB out? (Don't have any other way to test Genesis as I only have 32x cables)

First, focusing on the water. See the kinda vertical lines? I see that in a few games and I guess I just ignored them before? Looks like every other vertical line the shading is different for specific elements like seen. What exactly about my setup is causing this as it happens on my crt, OLED, gaming monitor, etc. Is this also an issue without upscaling or similar? Is the issue with RGB (tried scart and hdretrovision ypbrpr cables too)

Second, those dots on the bottom. I know some games have a mask or overscan your TV does that hide things like that. They almost look like colors on screen being cached? Similarly I have seen them as static almost on other games. Dungeon Explorer it looked like my crt was out of sync, but only the bottom 1-3 lines. In GnG it is just a rainbow of changing color.

Sorry for this long post.

>>5156286
I just tried that first bit earlier actually (like 15 minutes ago). I forgot to mention. Even with other tv remotes in the house, I can't get the led to blink no matter. I tried the btn1 hold while turning on and that brings up the menu for setting up new buttons for a new remote, yet no remote works.

I might have just found out tonight that it isn't the remote but the OSSC IR receiver. I also tried the btn0 too, which looks to default but still no led blink from a remote of any kind.

>>5156294
Sounds like the IR receiver might be faulty then. Should be replaceable if you're handy with a soldering iron.

>>5156301
I have done far worse than an IR receiver. I just really didn't want to mess with it at all lmao.

>>5155950
It's been done partially in multiple places, but some things have little caveats that need mentioned.
I can write one up tomorrow. Too tired atm.

>>5156292
Vertical bars look like jailbars. Tend to creep in on lower quality cables more often, but even decent cables can have them; It's from interference with in the system itself and likes to show most often on blue. The blue backgrounds of Sonic 1/2 are especially easy to see them. There are a few different mods that can be done to get rid of them.

Dots at the bottom are normal; It has to do with color and palette data; If it's being read or written to at certain times, it can appear on screen as those dots at the bottom. Again, Sonic 2 is game that shows this well; Particularly in 2 Player mode, if I'm remembering correctly.

http://md.squee.co/VDP#Palettes

>>5156292

The genesis video out has jailbars and this is what this looks like. When you play any genesis while using a signal that is as clean as svideo it better, you will get jailbars which are alternating vertical stripes which shows up on solid colours. You won’t get this on the genesis composite and rf because the signal quality is so poor. Take a look t a few more genesis games and see if the bars are still there on solid colours and you’ll know this is your problem. The only way to fix this is to physically modify your genesis, you need to cut a trace which carries composite apparantly

>>5156292
All Mega Drive hardware revisions I've tried have faint jailbars on the blue channel. It's caused by the blue line passing close to noisy components on the mainboard and can only be eliminated at source by fitting an RGB bypass kit which re-routes the signals directly from the VDP. High end displays may offer a low pass filter which also works - my Pioneer Kuro cleans up the signal beautifully.

Flickering coloured pixels at the bottom of the screen are perfectly normal. Adjust vertical overscan and/or blanking if they bother you.

>>5156305
As for the cables, I can't really get much better I don't think. The scart are custom made by someone I think MAYBE /vr/ recommended 5+ years ago. Same exact image from the hdretrovision cables too (but more noticeable of course when scaling). Probably going to mod this bitch.

I think I had masking on or something previously. Maybe I just don't use my genesis enough and never noticed the bottom palette data.
>>5156308
Definitely looked that up and am going to try it.


This is a first run Genesis (the HD logo one) with a first run 32x, on a sega cd 2. Any idea if the 32x is just a pass-through? Would that need to be modified at all? I imagine the jailbars are being passed into the 32x that just spits them out as is. Is there a possibility of removing the composite lead (c28) making my rgb cable not work? I don't THINK scart is using csync for genesis rgb out, right?

>>5156309
That lpf mention just gave me an idea lol. I might try some stuff before I modify this console.

Ys Chronicles + on a FW900

>>5156292
I think OSSC has some settings that reduce or hide jailbars.

Do diamondtrons suffer from that "g2 creep" that the trinitrons have? I've got one 19 inch monitor that's eerily glowing white unless the brightness is kept at <30. Either the previous owner fiddled with pots in the back or something's off here.

>>5156364
I'd like to see that in something like 480p. Nice and chunky pixels

>>5156292
The vertical lines are due to the Genesis' poor composite video encoding. I have two RGB cables (a higher-quality CSYNC cable from that UK site, and a cheap chinkshit cable off ebay that does sync on composite). So the better CSYNC cable shows absolutely zero jailbar effect, whereas the cheaper sync-on-composite cable does.

I also believe theoretically there's an easy way to fix the jailbar problem while still using sync-on-composite, but to do this you need to cut some traces and disable normal composite (and RF) output, which sounds like a bad idea to me.

>>5153921
>No, retro games were designed for ultra sharp professional monitors and pixel perfect RGB connections, like most consumers had.
Sure didn't stop those games from being demoed on such monitors even back in the day.

Also, analog RGB had mass-market penetration in Europe, so it's not as if consumers universally only had Composite Video as an option.

>>5156783
there's still some jailbars with csync cables, there's composite interference inside the console that needs the cutting, which disables composite entirely.

>>5157026
If you say so. With csync cables I don't notice any jailbaring whatsoever. Not on my consumer set, PVM, or on an LCD. Maybe it differs by system, but I have two model 1s and everything I've said applies to both, in my experience.

>>5157030
My main rgb cables are some of the best I can get, yet only the HD RetroVision cables fix the jailbars. Of 3 scart and 1 rgb-BNC cable, none really fixed it.

>>5157112
Maybe it's an issue with your console. No idea why only the component transcoder cables wouldn't have the lines, especially when IIRC they use sync on composite. I know for a fact that when I run my shitty sync on composite cable through a transcoder, the lines are still present, but are not with the retrogamingcables.co.uk cable I have.

>>5157118
The transcoder cables use csync.

Poorly shielded composite as sync cables add more jailbars, but there's still some from the console itself.

>>5157112
Huh, I still have jailbars with the HDretrovision cables

>>5157124
Oh, I thought I read somewhere that HDRV cables are all sync-on-composite for maximum compatibility or something.

I don't have any working retro videogame consoles, but I do happen to still own a good bigass CRT TV in good condition. Is it worth to buy one of those and hook it up to my PC to play retro games emulated?

>>5157326
No. Just get a Wii with component cables or something if you want to use it.

>>5157237
nah, using component in for a transcoder would need splitting it back out into csync before adding it to Y, easier to just use csync direct from the console where available.

>>5157326
it'll work, but not great, they'll do kinda fuzzy 480i/576i only.

So if I got one of these to use on my CRT that only has mono RCA input, I can't imagine I'd actually get stereo separation out of it right? As it is now without an adapter, the mono signal splits between the two speakers evenly. I imagine this will take the stereo signal and split it evenly the same way without actual separation, right?

>>5157429
I use that for my NES since my TV cant inherently map mono with one channel plugged in like older cheaper TVs to (sometimes they said L/mono or R/mono)

>>5157465
>I use that for my NES
Then you're using the inverse of the adapter I posted. AFAIK NES only has mono output.

>>5157479
ah I see. but the reverse should be true. the tv should mix down a stereo source to mono with that

>>5157481
Yes of course. I'm assuming I won't get actual stereo separation out of it though even though the TV inherently splits a mono signal to both speakers, correct?

>>5157485
if it even has two speakers, I know some cheap TVs that just had one speaker somewhere behind the casing not even two,
but no you wont get stereo, you will get basically mono 2x unless you had a service schematic to say otherwise

>>5157487
The TV I'm talking about definitely has two speakers and it definitely splits the signal between both. But yeah not getting actual stereo but "mono x2" is pretty much what I was expecting out of it, just wanted to clarify that it's not some miracle worker.

>>5157429
In a situation where a console sends Left out of White and Right out of Red, that adapter would allow your tv to hear both left and right console audio out of any speakers the tv has inside of it via just one RCA input. That just means all console audio will come out of every speaker at once.

As for the mono 2x deal. There is a mistake there. It wouldn't actually be mono 2x. It would be stereo downmix to all speakers. The source is still two separate channels, so mono 2x would imply a single channel across multiple speakers.

>>5157528
>That just means all console audio will come out of every speaker at once.
Yes this was expected result, thanks for clarifying

>>5157225
>>5157124
>>5157118
>>5157112
>>5157030
>>5156384
I honestly think this discussion is one that has no official answer. They are 100% jailbars, but the issue seems to be user related with only mods as the official fix.

Of my two genesis 1 units, one has them and one doesn't regardless of cables. But when I add the 32x, the jailbars are gone... EXCEPT with one set of cables from retrogamingcables on the system that normally doesn't have them.

The fix? Those retrogamingcables needed more shielding and that fixed it. (why my hdretrovision cables worked, because they are shielded different)

The fix for the other console? I tossed some rubber sealant on the composite lead and they went away. Probably acts as an insulator.

I bet we could all explain what fixed our issue and not a single thing would line up enough as a catch all. Try better cables, try another unit with your cables, try a 32x, remove the 32x, try different outlet/power setup, etc. I think the only thing anyone can guarantee is that composite lead mod but that is extreme.

>>5152505
On a mirrorless or dslr if you set the shutter speed to the refresh rate that works to. Most of the time, except the rare time you are inbetween a refresh lol. Of hundreds of photos, I think I was in between only a few times.

>>5152519
What model?

Uh, I got a VGA monitor and when I try and plug it into a computer, it looks like it rapidly connects and disconnects every few seconds. Anybody know anything about this or if the computer I was using is too new? I was using a DVI to VGA converter if that makes any difference.

>>5157690
What kind of video card?

>>5157692
I think the computer I was using has a radeon 5700 series one.

>>5157690
this was happening to me recently. I plugged in a crt and it would flash on and off very quickly every once in a while. I looked through the monitor manual and each resolution has a refresh rate it wants. You might have to change the refresh rate in both windows, and the amd software. Also use the amd software to search for drivers.

>>5154716
I'm familiar with the overlay, but what filter/shader are you using?

>>5156673
No, the G2 issue is inherent to Sony's chassis design, not AG tech in general.

Is it possible your Diamondtron has a "Super Bright" setting that is toggled on? That slams the contrast through the roof to make an image pop more, and could hypothetically be connected to your issue.

Otherwise, it's something that could be adjusted (and not requiring a windas equivalent).

>>5157429
Those are really meant for splitting a signal rather than pushing two together, but will "technically" work. It's not liable to cause issues, but it would have the left and right channel fighting against each other.

>>5157690
Possible your adapter is bad or just plain not connected properly. If you have a way to test it with something that doesn't require going through an adapter, I'd give that a shot.

>>5157703
>and each resolution has a refresh rate it wants.
That is incorrect; The monitor may have a set number of resolutions it has default timings/settings for if you feed it, but will accept anything that falls within it's vertical and horizontal limits. The list you found was either the listing for it's expected/officially "supported" resolutions or the ranges it likes to divide them by in it's circuitry.

>>5157710
I mean, I tried plugging my Dreamcast into the monitor and it works just fine. So it's clearly something with the computer.

>>5157714
Try a different adapter, or a different resolution. My money wouldn't explicitly be the computer itself. The 5700 itself should have no issue what so ever with CRTs, my 6950 is absolutely fine with them and you can go up to even r9 300 series cards and still be fine.

>>5157690
What's the monitor? just curious.

>>5157721
Viewsonic E70f

>>5157721
>>5157724
I'm actually thinking of picking one of these up for my Dreamcast

Picked up a Panasonic WV-CM 1430 from the local tip (our tip collects E-waste from from the surrounding region to either re-purpose or break down for rare metals) It's pretty nice, but it only takes 50hz via bnc connectors, so I got a composite to bnc converter. Still, very nice for something I didn't have to pay for.


Got a couple pictures of it running

>>5158013

>>5158013
use the v-hold knob to sync to 60hz

>>5158013
>>5158015
Dude if that works my mind will be blown

>>5158015
Nah doesn't work. That's okay though. I have a big old trinitron for 60hz games.

So how do you guys feel about bigger CRT sets, like 32 and 36 inch TVs? I feel like it's the ideal way to play retro crap but it seems like most people tend to go with a 27 inch or smaller.

>>5158182
The general idea is that going smaller will provide a sharper image so in some cases people prefer 5, 8, 14 inch PVMs. The other idea is larger sets work great for coops or split screens or fighters or 3d, like Halo or Smash.

The chance of a larger set having more geometry issues is pretty high. Probably due to those larger sets being released when CRTs started to be mass produced as cheap. Geometry issues become more noticeable with sprite-like games than 3d as well. Which just pushes people to smaller sets for solo play but larger sets for multiplay.

>>5158329
Also, anything beyond 20" is unwieldy to ship and move on your own.

>>5158332
Not always. My 26" Bang and Olufsen set is easily move-able by only me. I do lift but it's not that heavy.

>>5158347
Most sets start pushing 80lbs+ once you get into 27" territory. Some of us are little girly man pls no bully.

>>5158332
>>5158360
if you can't solo a 27" and maybe a 32" you should consider doing something about that cause this is not normal.
>>5158329
Sharpness only matters up to a point and I find that my 36" is perfectly fine in that regard, even compared to my 14". The geometry is a little fucked cause it's a Wega but that's part and parcel of buying a Sony I guess. I'm actually on the search for either a Toshiba or JVC to replace it with.

>>5158442
Some people have physical disabilities anon.

>>5158347
>>5158360
For me the issue isnt the weight but the size and weight distribution. I can deadlift lmao5plate but a 20" pvm or 27" consumer set is still a challenge because of the weight all being at the front of the tube. Its like trying to walk around gripping a fragile and uneven Atlas Stone

>>5158458
It's not even that.

I can deadlift my own weight fairly comfortably so in theory a 32" CRT would be no problem right?

Wrong.

The shape and weight distribution of an object like that means one pretty much has to support it at arms' length which is much, much harder to do.

See strongmen tackling Atlas Stones for an idea of the difficulties involved.

>>5158461
>>5158471
Hehe atlasstonesmind.

Wish I could phonepost faster lol.

>>5158461
>>5158471
I just have the tube against my chest and it works fine until I get to a doorway. Might need straps for a 32" but the weight isn't an issue.
>>5158458
Good for them.

Is there any why to know if a Wii game uses 480p on the box? It shows on yuro covers but not the NA ones for some reason.

>>5158510
very very few wii games do not support progressive scan. also not retro.

>>5158461
Hold the tube against your body with a towel in between you and it. Grip it from the bottom and lean back slightly. Much, much harder with a widescreen set but even 32" 4:3 sets are possible to lift on your own if you're strong.

>>5158442
>if you can't solo a 27" and maybe a 32" you should consider doing something about that cause this is not normal.
27 is easy enough for an average dude. The further you go up, the exponentially heavier they get, especially if it's a flat tube, those are always heavier for some reason, I'm sure. I had a 32" that I hauled both up and down a flight of stairs by myself. The issue isn't so much the weight, but many of them are designed with no good place to grip on your own.

>>5158461
>but a 20" pvm or 27" consumer set is still a challenge because of the weight all being at the front of the tube.
Disagree on the PVM, especially since they almost always have handles in the cases right at the best point to grab it at. They're weighty, but not nearly as cumbersome as consumer sets with their massive cases and built-in speakers.

>>5158959
>especially if it's a flat tube, those are always heavier for some reason, I'm sure.
flat tubes have thicker glass in the front since it's basically just a curved tube with a lens on the face of the tube. so in the corner the glass is really fucking thick which is why they have fucky geometry.

>It is not a degauss problem, it is lack of blue gun output. The three CRT gun colours are red, green and blue. R&G make yellow (R&B magenta & B&G cyan) so the screen is lacking blue.
>Since the monitor is responsive to impact persuasion, the cause will be either a dry solder connection in the blue gun drive circuits or on the CRT base, a loose plug supplying blue drive, or possibly (but very rare) an internal fault in the CRT.

I'm finally going to fix this shit after years of slapping my PC CRT monitor like a cheap whore. Any information I should know before going in? I really want to keep using this monitor for years on end, but the yellow tint is really annoying when trying to play games or watch movies. I already tried searching for a manual (Sylvania F96), but this thing is so obscure there's hardly any recorded information that this monitor existed in the first place. Wish me luck.

>>5156319

Apparantly the video output of the 32x will reduce the look of the jailbars but will not completely remove them. You will still see noise and bars in certain colours.

>>5158959
> especially since they almost always have handles in the cases right at the best point to grab it at
But the best place to grab them is the bottom. Grabbing them by the handles at the top means you're holding the thing at knee height, which makes trying to walk with it awkward as fuck. And half the struggle comes from the concern of accidentally breaking/scratching the damn thing as well as maneuvering around doorways/staircases/etc with it.

>>5159042
sounds like you'd be better off just picking up a newer set off local listings unless you really want the xp from fixing that one.

>>5159058
I'm going to wager you're either weak as fuck or have never tried to lift one. It's so easy to hoist a 20" PVM from the handles and keep it at chest height instead of letting your arms hang like noodles. They're like 75 lbs. You're making something easy into something difficult.

>>5159060
I'd be hard-pressed to find anything bigger than 15" locally. This one is 19" and was my father's.

>>5159083
Holding it by the handles with your arms in an isometric upright row position is awkward as fuck compared to holding fro the bottom, with your arms in a much more natural position.

>>5159098
Where are you located? I can't imagine any city in which it would be hard to find free crt monitors.

>>5159124
not that anon but I've been actively looking for PC CRTs for the past two years and I've only seen about 6 or so worthwhile sets in that entire period. They aren't like SD TVs where you can take your pick.

>>5159101
I do it every time I want to get at all my cables. It's really not hard at all and I quit my gym membership a long time ago. Git gud.

>>5159042
check the VGA cable, that's the first thing to go bad usually. problem could be the blue pin

>>5149569
Is is possible for an S-Video port to go out? Or is it more likely that the cable is bad?

>>5159278
s-video is somewhat sensitive due to being easily put in wrong and ports can definitely go bad. generally if a port is bad you can wiggle the cable and get a signal. if the cable is bad this might not be the case, check the pins and see if any are loose.

Interested in getting a CRT monitor. Are all CRT monitors capable of the 120hz/black frame insertion 240p, or are there certain brands/models I should be looking out for?

>>5159131
What counts as worthwhile in your eyes?

god why do all the good vga adapters require usb-c

>>5159885
Not cheap, but:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JARYTVK/

>>5159774
well after seeing what an average crt looks like when I got my first samsung I started looking out for sets with a higher horizontal scan frequency than 96khz and a mask pitch of at least 0.25mm

Are computer crt monitors supposed to be less bright than a television set an/or pvms?

>>5160093
Yes

>>5160093
They both have different bulbs in them

>They both have different bulbs in them
>bulbs
what did he mean by this?

>>5159761
240p120 will work on most mainstream PC monitors, check specs where possible for max vertical refresh, you'll definitely be in range for horizontal.

>>5159885
because they're newer designs. Same chip on a DisplayPort converter would do the same meme dot clocks.

>>5160383
CRT tubes and incandescent lightbulbs actually aren't that different on a fundamental level so, idiotic as it sounds, anon's statement has a ring of truth to it.

Nah. The true explanation concerns the width and power of the electron beam and the ratio of space to material in the aperture grill/shadow mask.

>>5160385
>>5159761
how do you do the black frame insertion?

>>5160656
there's a toggle for it in the video settings of retroarch which is what most people use these days I think.

>>5157493
You might not get mono, but try both jacks. IIRC usually the white jack will output to both speakers (same mono audio) if your tv supports it.

>>5158018
You've probably already done so, but be sure to poke around in the service menu and check the service manual, I think some sets have internal buttons to switch between resolutions. Not a guarantee, but worth poking about.

>>5158182
>So how do you guys feel about bigger CRT sets
They are great, especially if you have component or use something like a retrotek rgb to component adapter. Most people go smaller for sharper image, lighter to move, or what's available.

>>5158458
Unless they have mental disabilities too they could talk someone more able into moving a tv, or pay them with their monthly check to do so.

>>5159058
I listened to the interview of savon-pat on retrorgb, pat says you should always put the glass screen into your stomach, both for weight distribution and so you don't accidentally bump the glass on something, fucking the glass/tube.

>>5160767
one would think this is common sense but hey I guess not. savon pat is a cuck btw.

>>5160818
I respect his knowledge and his willingness to share it but he's a shill for that pvm reseller on ebay with the retarded prices

>>5160383
Bulb is just another term for the CRT itself. Was never common, but some manufacturers referred to their spares that way.

Is there less input delay with retro pie if you plug it into a crt tv?

>>5160902
Input delay doesn't change. It's just how it displays that's different. But it would generally display faster, unless it's an HD CRT

Where do you guys hunt for CRT monitors? I haven't had any luck finding them in my area. I find it odd that they seem to be a lot less common than CRT TVs, considering offices used to be filled with them.

do you ever see crts for sale anymore? i work in the warehouse at goodwill and feel a sting in my heart everytime someone just tosses a tv into the trash.

>>5161026
>>5161032
My local Goodwills still stock CRT TVs of all kinds. I've never seen one go for over $6.

>looking for a 240p downscaler to use with my CRT (being an Ausfag makes this hard, because of the small local pool of cheap ex-service equipment, expensive shipping, and retarded new import GST)
>manage to find a good one from a US Seller on eBay for $550; send an offer to him for $200
>he sends me a counter-offer (I can only assume accidentally) citing me $200, with a message that says "the price is fine but sorry no international shipping" - despite the eBay listing offering (rather cheap) shipping via the global network thingy
Would I have been a dick for accepting?

Just curious, why are so many CRT repair videos Indian?

>>5161104
crts are still commonplace in poorer countries like india and nobody can afford to buy new shit when it breaks so there's a big repair industry I guess.

Is it bad for CRTs to face windows?

>>5161335
Specifically, sunlight.

I'm obsessed with picture quality on a CRT. I'm even going so far as to get S-VHS or betacam to record home movies with instead of regular vhs tapes. I want it for the nostalgic feeling but at the same time want it to look as good as it could be.

>don't mind the overexposure its my camera. i promise his beard is prominently seen in person.

>>5161335
>>5161347
bummmmping this. My CRT is no longer facing the window but is almost directly in front of it, meaning the rear of the CRT is towards the window. I also have a shitty window that has holes in the frame which allows air from the outside, specifically very cold air to come through. or ac air to blow through during the summer.

I'd like to know the optimal amount of humidity in my room for my CRT. i know there are optimal amounts of temp for a CRT because i've read my manual but still want input from others

>>5161370
Holy shit I know that feel

>>5161380
So what did you do about it? Because right now i'm looking at $1500 dollar betacams on ebay

Sony fans will appreciate this rare piece of history I just scored at an auction. The circa 1982 Sony Videoscope KP-5040 front projection set. This thing is nuts - the front mirror is motor driven on arms, heavy wood case over a steel frame. All the pieces for it surfaced (screen, mirror, hardware) - only found the pj at first, and without the mirror and special curved screen it would have been tricky.

Included all the paperwork, like manual, warranty cards, and the original receipt for $3200 in 1982 (the inflation calculator puts that at over $8k today). The most expensive TV you could get back then - thing has composite input and stereo sound, a billion adjustments.

I could imagine the impression of hooking your Colecovision/Intellivision/2600 up to this back in the day. Pure class.

I'm planning to hook my laserdisc player up to it and will spin my copy of the Captain Harlock movie Arcadia of my Youth - appropriately enough from 1982.

The moment of truth was plugging it in, and sure as shit it came right up, sound, all 3 tubes good, and static projected on the wall. Try doing that with a modern TV 36 years from now - this thing was built to last forever with huge discrete metal transistors driving the CRTs.

All won for a princely $15 bid.

Some vids of these in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm0oLFr0j2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHE_NZ64Im0

>>5161389
We'll, I'm poor, so I couldn't and continue not being able to do anything about it but autistically obsess and research. Try meditation.

>>5160902
If by input delay you mean all the delay from controller to screen yes.

>>5161095
downscaler why?

>>5161104
cheap labour makes repairing old shit still profitable.

>>5161408
I'm by no means wealthy but if i got a better job i'd drop 1500 easy on a betacam. I only got interested in them because I found a betacam editor/player for like 50 bucks on craigslist and didn't buy it for some reason

>>5161418
I need to sell off most of my retro collection, including my spare PVM, due to healthcare expenses.
I figure I'll build a cheap mini-ITX PC capable of emulating everything up to Wii/PS2, and run everything through a downscaler to my BVM. I know there are special video cards and software you can use for the same purpose, but I'd prefer a more robust solution.

>>5161487
Setting up 240p support direct from a PC is pretty easy, waaay cheaper than a scaler.

>>5161487
Use a Wii and a modded PS2. With this solution you're only really missing some N64, Saturn and Dreamcast. User-friendlyness is much better and the Wii is great at outputting 240p. Emulation on the wii is also very good, and with a controller adapter from Raphnet you can use any controller for it more or less.

>>5161487
I use a VGA to Component transcoder and Soft 15khz to play games on my CRT. It set me back less than 80 dollars.

>>5161026
I wish i could find them as well. Only reason I even care is because of dreamcast vga

>>5152543
Fuwa fura

anything worthwhile mods to do to this Console Tv if I can't get it working properly again for my price range?....or would i be better of selling it for parts?
basically i got it for around 6 hours of work of demoing a foreclosed trailer house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_p4Icp9ZM

I have a famicom but my CRT is PAL only. I have a device that converts the NTSC signal and outputs VGA, is it possible to convert the VGA signal to RGB or Composite?

>>5162184
composite mod the famicom and just get a semi decent tv that accepts ntsc through AV or SCART.
Skip the 1st step if it's an AVFamicom

Does anyone know if the ps3 fucks with ps1 games? I was using retroarch and it looks fine but when I used the built-in ps1 emulator I suddenly stopped seeing scanlines which I assume it's because the game might be upscaled to 480?

>>5162213
Yes, it does fuck with the resolution. PS3 is generally considered the worst way to play PS1 games. PS2 is generally good for PS1.

>>5162218
hm that sucks, it's not terrible by any means but I wish it looked better.

Also another question, does composite make games look darker than component? because I'm using a composite cable and Wild Arms looks too dark in the first dungeon, especially in fights.

>>5161335
>>5161347
>>5161374
From an Ikegami manual:
>Avoid exposing the CRT to direct sunlight. If the CRT is subject to direct sunlight for a prolonged period, the fluorescent screen within the CRT will deteriorate, so be careful if using this monitor outdoors.
So it creates mustard gas.

>>5162257
Is that good enough? Colors are stronger in person

>>5162262
Then it's too saturated.

Also, rotate your pictures before posting. My neck is starting to hurt.

>>5161392

I saw one of these on an episode of halt and catch fire but the picture it put out didn't look real (they probably couldn't find a working one!). Does it display scanlines?

>>5161335
>>5161347
Buy some anti-UV window film. If you have your gaming setup in a room with windows, you should consider either putting up the film, installing some blinds, or both.

>>5162551
>Does it display scanlines?
Pretty certain yes, as it is NTSC resolution at decent size as opposed to the later high rez data CRT projectors. Yeah, a simulated picture wouldn't capture the curvature of the screen and brightness in ambient light (front pj needs light control, but this thing does have a high gain screen so it will work in lit conditions as the vids I linked showed).

I'm really looking forward to watching some laserdiscs on it, with the pure analog signal chain driving about the biggest image - it's 50 inches - you can stand at NTSC rez before needing upscaled front CRT pj for movie watching.

>>5161487
just sell the games, keep the consoles, and later when you have money again get flashcarts

>>5149569
Question for the pros:

My PVM has been having small white flashes lately but only in a certain way.

For example: when playing FF1 and I am in the first dungeon. The bottom of the screen that is all black because nothing is displayed there. When my character walks left or right nothing flashes. But if I walk up or down towards the black section sometimes small bright flashes will display on just the empty black part. Im wondering if its the nes causung this or my tv. And why does it only occur when moving vertically.

Any help would be appreciated.

>>5162968
its probably the nes, because of how hard it was to render the part of the game that wasn't on the screen on a scrolling background. Like in smb3 you can see the color at the edge of the screen

>>5162972
Yeah, im wondering if its more of a screen flicker now than a flash.

>>5157710
what is AG tech?

>>5163159
Aperture Grille

I just got an extron RGB interface, which I plan to use as a sync combiner and Horizontal alignment adjuster for my CRT setup, but the only outputs it has are BNC.

Anyone know where to get a 4 or 5-channel BNC cable for fairly cheap?
Or alternatively, if I use some inexpensive RCA cables with RCA>BNC adapters on both ends, how much will that fuck up the picture?

>>5163243
Monoprice has decent reasonably cheap ones if you're murican https://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=102&cp_id=10203&cs_id=1020304

RCA cables intended for video use + adapters at each end works fine.

new discord
https://discord.gg/w4WQAyF
read the rules nerds

>>5163297
I'm not American, but it looks like monoprice ships overseas so I'll check how expensive their international shipping is and make a decision whether or not to commit. After I posted that question I did some more digging, finally found the right search-terminology, and managed to locate some better priced stuff like:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/191597075164

It's good to know that RCA cables will work in a pinch though. Thank you.

>>5163306
that one looks okay. You can also just get 4 (or 3 if your monitor can do RGsB) separate BNC cables, works fine, can even be a bit better due to reduced crosstalk.

>>5163308
I'm guessing my monitor can accept SoG since it's a PVM, but can the RGB interface handle that?

Actually it doesn't matter. I think I'm just going to order that ebay one I linked above. I checked monoprice and the only shipping they offered was DHL for $75 (to deliver a $10 cable), and I can't seem to refine my search enough to find a good deal on separate BNC cables.

Thanks again though.

>>5163336
Most Extron boxes can generate SoG out, selected through one of the little switches.

>>5163439
Huh, you're right. That's kind of weird since I thought it was a technology only really used by Sony.
It'll probably work on my monitor then, but without testing I'm not gonna risk it. Thanks for the heads-up though.

>>5163550
SoG was pretty popular in projection setups, saves another expensive long cable.

>>5158442
Your larger tv is not as sharp, but fine for you. Just don't claim the larger panel is somehow as sharp, it isn't.

Replacing a sony with another brand won't help. Larger tv = geometry issues. Deal with it.

Hey, tripcode Kya -

I said I was considering making an info-graphic for what systems support what outputs and what ones need mods for certain outputs in some countries. You mentioned making one. Should I make it or are you doing it?

>>5163691
Feel free to. Just got caught up with junk.

I would likely have just written up a list/couple paragraphs; If you think you can put together a pretty infographic, that'd be a lot easier to just toss around.

Please help me get some crt goodness in my life.

Got an rgb modded turbo duo-r which won't boot games when hooked up to my sony crt tv, it hangs at the system menu. However it works perfect when connected to my modern lcd tv. I can't see how this is possible, its like the crt is sucking power from the console so the laser is too weak to read discs. Its connected by an rgb scart cable btw. I'm at the pearly gates but can't get in, what is this sorcery?

lol

>>5163787
It begins...

>>5163807
To be fair, that really should be the end of the discussion.

>>5163813
Yeah, yeah everyone saw the other thread

>>5163787
What is this? Why do both sides look horribly wrong?

>>5163787
is the right side supposed to be a shitty recreation of the left?

>>5163787
Is the crt vs hdtv or something.

>>5163848
>>5163864
>>5163868
>>5163337

>>5163787
Both sides are pretty poor representation there.

>>5163787
>Two different looks that are a preference
>Crystal clear pixel art on an LCD
>CRT artifacts creating an authentically old school look
>Everyone says they're both shit

Am I going fucking crazy? Is the right answer an RGB high TVL PVM?

>>5163686
>Your larger tv is not as sharp, but fine for you. Just don't claim the larger panel is somehow as sharp, it isn't.
I said it's perfectly fine in comparison to my 14" but that doesn't mean it's as sharp. Reading comprehension?
> Replacing a sony with another brand won't help. Larger tv = geometry issues. Deal with it.
The Sony WEGA line is well known for having fucking terrible geometry and I'm going to be getting a curved screen. You can't really be this retarded can you anon?

>>5163932
It's the only answer. Let the composhit fags cry over their rainbow waterfall effects while we get the best color and clarity with the benefit of keeping the scanline depth and detail effect as well

>>5163932
No. A PVM with RGB could be one answer, but to a different discussion. The issue is you couldn't even notice the issues with both sides. Left is not a monitor that they designed it for, nor is right. The issue with right is that they are not scaling it properly. The issue with left is how dark an image becomes when you flip around shit like slot mask. Both completely avoidable.

>>5163935
Stop being upset others called out your dumbass. You need to learn to write AND read better. Just give up on CRTs if you are this ignorant with the easy stuff. We will be waiting around when you ask us why your next huge CRT has the same geometry issues even with a "curved screen".

>>5163939
You're overly confident in yourself and how much you know despite clearly knowing so little. I think you should stick to lurking moar.

>>5163935
>>5163945
Take your meds and get off the internet for a few days.

>>5163951
Check this hostile kiddo shitting up the thread. Everyone look and laugh.
Not even that anon.

>>5163939
What monitor is the left then if not an appropriate CRT monitor? Are you taking a jab at slot masks or what? I don't think the image itself is dark, it's just a photo of a CRT and is actually a little over exposed/contrast is off if anything versus the LCD.

Yes, the right image is scaled improperly but I think you're missing the point. The original post (>>5163345) is about how graphic designers utilized scanlines/dot pitches to make sprite art look better and add detail. Yes there are better options for either side (Higher quality CRT/signal, proper scaling on LCD) but the idea of the image is how they optimized 8-bit graphics for CRTs. Adding "They both look like shit" isn't really furthering the discussion.

Composite master race

>>5164248
25-27 inch consumer trinitron?
such a distinctive look

>>5164560
13 inch, model KV-13M10. I’ve never seen a set produce a pattern like that in the water of that level. It’s usually too checkerboarded. Look great on this set.

Little outside the use case of most of the people in this thread but can I get recommendations for a crt monitor for a Wim XP/Win 7 machine? Some older pc games don't play nice with Win 10 (like Nocturn) and if like to play them as intended on a CRT.

>>5165438
People seem to like Sony trinitron monitors the most, rebranded or not. They seem to have a flaw that slowly kills them, though I've yet to encounter it myself. I have a cpd-300sf that I like a lot bub don't have anything to compare it to. Get whatever you can for free or cheap then keep your eyes open for an upgrade.

>>5164248
absolutely based

>>5163996
Take your meds already. Stop being upset.

>>5164020
The issue with the CRT is that you can tell that game was made with a chunky pixel trini/diamondtron in mind, comparative to a slot mask. That doesn't mean it is wrong to use a slot mask, it means that game could look better for the example.

My original point was sort of what you said at the bottom about that other post. If you are going to try and educate people, don't half ass it so badly. You end up with >>5163996 . As I said, completely avoidable. They both look like shit is adding as much as repeating what I said like you just did. There shouldn't be more of a discussion about the image, it is bad and should be redone.

These guys must really like Sonic 2.

>>5165503
It's the same guy. A complete fucking scalper, even by eBay PVM salesman standards. And I don't know how he expects to ship 20"+ monitors without them getting seriously damaged.

Is there anything I can do to reverse phosphor decay? I play a lot of 5th and 6th gen horror games and seeing artifacts everytime I'm in a dark setting is really disorienting.

>>5165516
Do you mean trails or ghosting? If so there's not much you can do outside of getting a new set. Apparently the effect is meant to lessen as your set ages. If it really bothers you or you can't overlook it, just find something else.

>>5164248
You know it!

>>5165509
>And I don't know how he expects to ship 20"+ monitors without them getting seriously damaged.
This. There's really only one way to do it, and most people don't bother. He's basically soliciting for people to send him money in return for destroying a really nice, rare monitor.

>>5165509
>>5165581
I've read stories from poor fools who have ordered from this guy. As you can imagine, all had some form of damage from shipping and also were in much poorer condition than described in the listing (aside from shipping damage of course)

>thought the well was completely dry, especially down here
>finally get a response from a media company saying they had some old displays in storage I could have for free if I was willing to come down and get them
>no clue what they would be
>get down there
>two PVM 14m4u's in dusty but otherwise near unused condition

D-did I hit a small jackpot?

>>5165521
>Do you mean trails or ghosting?
What's the difference because I'm kind of seeing both.

>>5165710
At this point, yes. I think the trick is to go out and look for them before someone is selling them. The chances of someone not looking up something they're going to sell before posting it are probably pretty low. So, even if someone were thinking of selling a monitor for cheap or giving it away, a 2 second Google search will convince them of otherwise.
I like a nice 14-15" monitor. Maybe not for my main display, but it's great for hauling to a friend's place.

>>5165516
>>5165713
To clarify a bit on what I'm seeing:

If an image on screen rapidly transitions to black, a lingering artifact/ghost of the image will linger there for a couple seconds or until something else fills the screen. I also get trails when playing, for example, a scrolling shmup that take place in space. White stars on a black space will leave a trail behind them as the screen moves.

>>5165713
Sorry, I worded that stupidly. I didn't mean to imply there was a difference. Just terms used to describe the same thing.
I have the same problem on my 19" Panasonic. There doesn't appear to be any reasonable fix for it outside of obtaining a different TV or just ignoring it.

>>5164248
>>5164660
I really liked your photo. I took this picture for a comparison, it's a 14" PVM with RGB.

>>5165509

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGGHGwAjLY


I hate ebay douchebags, specially if tehy have give best offer and you offer like 80 % of the price and the douchebag still declines

wat a jew

How much would you guys pay for a possibly repairable JVC DT-1710? It powers on, flashes, clicks a few times then goes back to standby.

>>5165865
Close to nothing, if anything. You've got no reason to think it will be repairable and that should be your negotiation tactic. It's all risk on your part and hell, might have to even pay to have it disposed of if it is irreparable . But hell, if it works out you have a 17" 800tvl monitor, which would be amazing. Personally, I'd only offer $20.

If I get a standard 480i CRT TV that only has composite would it be a huge downgrade from a similar TV that has component? I'd only be using it on my hacked PS3 to mostly play PS1 games and emulate NES/SNES/GBA.

>>5165865
These require an input card right? If you have one it's probably more valuable.

>>5165865
I use a DT-1750CG and it's a fantastic monitor. Can't offer any insight on how easy it would be to repair, but it's at least on par with any PVM.

I might get a Sharp 32SF56B, it has s-video and component. I've never had a Sharp TV before, are they good quality?

>>5165947
anything with component is good as long as the geometry is ok and you like the size

>>5165887
Thanks. The clicking noise seems to be reasonably common and I have an old local TV repair nearby so it's pretty tempting. But yeah it could be dead weight.
>>5165897
Ah I didn't think about that, yeah it has the component/RGB card.
>>5165938
Yeah that's why I'm tempted to go for it. Slightly smaller than what I ideally want but checks the boxes for everything else.

>>5166005
if you get it for cheap, crack it open yourself. There might be something obvious. If you have a TV repair shop that still has a crt technician, go for it. The shops near me don't fix crts anymore and the guy on Craigslist that fixes monitors is a scalper that also overcharges for work. The monitor would currently be sold for $300+, probably. So, keep that in mind when thinking about paying for repairs. I'm not saying it's worth that much, but some people might think it is.
A comparable Sony monitor would be listed at $750+,easy. I think that's obscene but people fucking do it every day.

>>5165891
>I'd only be using it on my hacked PS3 to mostly play PS1 games
I don't think PS3 can output PS1 games at their native resolution so don't expect them to look good on a CRT. Retroarch on PS3 can display 240p fine though.
Personally I keep my PS3 connected to my HDTV and use my Wii to emulate most things on my CRT.

>>5165821
Or when you ask a simple questions about the CRT because they neglected to fill out a informative description and they don't even reply. Smh

>>5166026
I'm pretty sure PS3 outputs PS1 games at native resolution when your PS3 is set to 480i.

VGA monitors seem harder to find nowadays than regular CRT TVs. Where did you find yours, if you have any?

>>5166026
PS3 plays PS1 games at native resolution if you're on a CRT but it doesn't output 240p and instead outputs 240i. On a CRT it's not a big deal though.

>>5166026
>>5166061
I was under the impression PS3 could only do 480i.

Does a FW900 need clean sync on the BNC input? Please help, I'm retarded.

>>5166072
>240i
This is a thing?
Eww.

>>5166094
On a CRT at 240-480 the differences is almost indistinguishable between i and p when you're playing games. Only in some high contrast areas where there's a static HUD element or small text can you notice interlacing. If you're already used to playing PS2/GC on a CRT at 480i it's no different.

Anyone know anything about these Colortrak 2000 CRTs? I've been trying to find something that does RGB antively & this 32 inch monster caught my eye. Is that really a euro scart port in the back, or would it only do composite?

>>5166141
is this an American tv?

>>5166141
the "EIA MULTIPORT" is composite only.

>>5166141
That's definitely a scart port. Looks cool and has svideo too

>>5166093
It can take clean hsync + vsync, or clean csync, or sync on green.

>>5166094
It's not, PS3 does 480i.

>>5166240
same connector, but not fully SCART compliant since there's no RGB.

>>5166243
>>5166239
damn, & here I thought I had found an NTSC TV with native RGB.

could you have imagined that things like a 14L5 would be $500+?

>>5166061
>>5166072
PS3 can't do anything below 480i. It won't do native resolution for PS1 games.

Just bought a Toshiba. Why do the black spots bleed so badly? Makes his eyes and nose look terrible, my Emerson and the other shitty CRT I have don't do this and yeah I fucked around with the contrast, brightness, and sharpness to no avail

>>5166791
What are you playing it in? If it's RF or Composite then what you're seeing is just bad color separation due to the low quality cords.