/vr/ - Retro Games

>tfw I went through all the meme journeys, from S-video to SCART, to finally come back home with the comfyness of the developer-intended composite

>>5127095
It's what the artist intended.

>>5127101
It kind of makes sense since that's what consumers were using at the time, at least coming from Japanese developers.
I can see how many zoomers might be afraid of composite though, since they only know HD displays.

>tfw I've never used any of these video cables and have no idea of the difference between any of them and have always had superior quality through emulation

>>5127095
>tfw i just stuck with S-Video and have no need to go better or worse
it just works

Thanks, based composite.

>>5127108
Well, what display are you using when emulating?
/vr/ games are, for the most part, SD. Are you using an SD display?

>>5127087
Blocks your path

>>5127110
>tfw my consumer trinitron CRT looks too clean even on composite.
Fuck.

>>5127095
>wanting this
no thanks, it's a mess. In fact, the genesis is the whole reason I ended up going down the RGB rabbit hole. If it could just do at least s-video like a lot of my other consoles, I probably would've been content with that. But because it was either composite or full-on RGB with no in-betweens, I ended up going all-in.

And now everything looks great. Got a nice 20" PVM and scart cables for all applicable systems. Even did a DIY RGB mod for my N64. And I also own a component transcoder so I can use my systems on a component-enabled consumer CRT, which is /comfy/ as fuck and allows me to use my larger 32" trinitron.

Reminder that all arcade games used RGB. If you're playing arcade ports in composite you're not respecting the original developers' vision.

>>5127116
>640x480
huh.
Are you ok anon?

>>5127087
>>5127095
>>5127104
>>5127110
based and redpilled

>>5127114
You know what that means.

>>5127119
If the ports were on consoles, they were meant for composite.
But yeah the original arcades should be played at the original arcade cabinet in order to respect the vision 100%.

>>5127116
>PVM
PVM owners are as autistic as audiophiles.

>>5127124
Fucking image didn't upload.

>>5127087

>>5127127
The art was designed to be displayed in RGB. Console manufacturers included RGB outputs and sold RGB cables for this purpose. I'm sorry you had to settle for an inauthentic vaseline filter.

>>5127128
sour grapes. I wouldn't even recommend getting one nowadays though. I got it back when they were cheap. Now they're a meme that's taken off and people pay out the ass for them, so it's no longer worth it. They used to be the cheap alternative to all that framemeister upscaler crap.

Now that's the real autism, IMO. Going through all that effort/money just to make it look like you're playing an emulator on your PC. I don't get it. For me it's CRT or bust.

>>5127136
It depends really, as >>5127114 said, more modern CRTs look very clean even if you're using composite (making transparencies intended for composite not work correctly).

>>5127140
well I think PVMs would still be worth it if they were double what they are right now

>>5127113
As a kid i always unplugged the antenna and plugged the console in each time to play, didn't know these existed.

>>5127153
And it's because of redditcucks like you that they'll continue to inflate to more and more insane prices. I would never pay 500 for a 20" PVM. I certainly wouldn't spend a grand.

>>5127145
If it’s got a comb filter, it’s garbage. Behold period accurate composite.

>>5127140
Smart people use an OSSC with a PC CRT for BVM-like quality at a fraction of the price, plus support for higher resolutions.

>>5127159
and they'll continue to increase in price from there
we're talking about professional grade equipment that can never be manufactured again

>>5127116
i just stick with s-video. I just did an s video mod on my genesis 1 for nothing since i had the components laying around. (a transistor, capacitor, and two resistors) and it looks great. I got on the rgb meme too late. Funny thing is i've got a busted neo geo cab in my living room that i bought in the mid 2000s and now i'm thinking of having it repaired/parted out and making the display my main one. it's got a 20 inch korean made crt that needs some work though.

>>5127095
unironically this
I was traumaized by RF switches growing up, so much that I had this impulse to find the absolute best possible graphical output

but the Xbox was a real eye-opener. I feel like the best word to describe it is "counterproductive"
you end up seeing all the minor imperfections. it doesn't feel nostalgic at all, more like emulation. worse, n64 HLE. BoodRayne 2 really shows this, from the compressed videos to the lack of aliasing.

went back t PS1 and N64 and same applies here.

>>5127095
sorry to disappoint you but game developers avoided using composite. by the time snes and megadrive arrived, they had RGB out. graphics designers would often create visual tricks that worked well in composite or RF but they sure as fuck weren't using composite to draw their graphics

>>5127163
Totally valid. Like I said, I got into all this back when the options were either get a PVM for 50 bucks or a framemeister for 400. PVMs were actually the cheaper option. But now that they've skyrocketed in price and there are cheaper alternatives to the framemeister, it's hard to justify this route anymore, sadly.

OSSC+PC CRT is a smart idea. Only issue I have with it is that PC CRTs are typically fairly small. Now, I do still have a giant megaton 36" HDCRT that I'm thinking could look really good via OSSC, but it'd need to be a version that can output component 480p to work.

>>5127112
Nope I'm using a 1024 res 4:3 LCD. The pixels are very sharp like the box covers of games.

Why does everyone forget that Japan had RGB TVs just like Europe? Only retarded American devs "intended" for you to use composhit.

>>5127171
don't worry, not disappointed. It makes sense that they were using RGB. But they still intended their games to be displayed on composite or even RF.

>>5127170
I play N64 and PS1 games in RGB and they both look great on a CRT. The scanlines act as a sort of filter so you don't actually see that horrible looking pixelation like in an emulator or on an LCD

>>5127109
>>5127167
S-video gang represent. I got a modded Genesis 1 too, its excellent

>>5127180
>But they still intended their games to be displayed on composite or even RF
that's all people had back then. was pretty fucking rare to see scart here in australia (for example) or sets with anything more than s-video until the late 90s.

>>5127185
weeew that looks wonderful. nice one. trinitron rocks.

>>5127095
It's like going to different top notch restaurants, trying new dishes. All very new and exotic, many novelties, but then you have your favorite mom's homemade plate and you know that's what God intended.

>>5127178
>1024 res
why though

>>5127195
i don't miss it one single bit.

>>5127087
I have everything upgraded/modded now, but back when I was a kid I was lucky to even get to use composite. For me the standard was RF, and it looked absolutely horrible even back then. I would always have to tweak and adjust that shit because the image would get so distorted. I hated the image quality, I hated the coax connector. I hated needing to tune to channel 3. I hated how fucking finicky the connector was.

>>5127181
>scanlines stop you seeing horrible pixels
>scanlines
>these huge fucking black streaks stop me seeing imperfections in the image!
>mfw

>output autism

>>5127205
Same here, the upgrade from RF to composite back then was huge. As you say, composite didn't have weird shit all the time that required you to adjust and tweak things, it was a solid, clean image.
Later on I also upgraded, but the jump wasn't as impressive again.

>>5127208
I'll never understand the love for scanlines either
it's like someone is blocking half your view

>>5127218
Try looking at an actual CRT and not some shit-tier scanline filter for an emulator.

>>5127227
What's funny about this is that eventually you realize that the reason they look different is because your CRT is shit.

I'll just leave this here.

>>5127227
I've used plenty of crts before glorious lcd technology, I don't miss the picture quality at all. You've fallen for a meme.
Scanlines are like bad coffee, as kids we ignored them and with the contrast of having used LCDs we now see them for what they are - the lack of image quality.

>>5127251
>>5127315
>emulatorfags
lmao

>>5127135
Are they really cucks?

>>5127352
I run consoles on a $150 off brand 720p LCD TV with bad asymmetric backlight bleed and no blacks. Is that too fucking real for you? Deal with it faggot.

>>5127114
>>5127145
Nonsense. You probably are getting a different kind of output. Genesis can display a non-undithered composite image but you have to grab csync instead of composite I believe.

>>5127396
If you don't know what you're talking about, you should just keep your mouth shut.

>>5127405
Right.

N64
Composite or S-video?
Why?

>>5127315
Having used a real CRT, scanlines aren't noticeable in 99% of situations unless you're really close to the screen.

>>5127413
Now explain what that picture is trying to depict.

(Here's a hint: "RGB" and "RGB sync" is a nonsensical distinction.)

>>5127315
My friend, you are so gay.

>>5127424
I don't know for sure, it's strange nobody ever documented this, but the middle pic is supposedly the kind composite signal you get out of a SCART cable with nothing but the necessary wiring for RGB. Apparently the signal from the composite pin is being applids a further low-pass filter which is what causes the dithering in 40H mode to blend.

>>5127435
Your post is such utter nonsense it's giving me a headache just trying to parse it. Composite from a SCART cable with nothing but RGB wiring? A low-pass filter? 40H mode? What in the name of fuck are you on about?

Look dumbass, the composite video line in a SCART cable is a straight piece of fucking wire. That's it. It's the same as the composite video from any other composite video cable, just with a SCART connector instead of an RCA connector on the end.

Go look up how RGB and SCART work, then come back and try again once you have a clue what you're talking about.

>>5127435
>it's strange nobody ever documented this
Not really.

That image is such obtuse garbage that anyone with skill and inclination to impart knowledge on the subject would dismiss it as such.

Yet here it is, being trotted out once again as a teaching aid by someone who has no business doing so.

>>5127417
__RGB__

>>5127315
>Coffee
Gay

>>5127417

S-video because dot crawl is annoying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGF4PRlIZSo

>>5127795
>>5127417

I also recommend trying out an RGB mod for the n64. The colors are a lot more vibrant. It's actually really fucking simple to do and you can get the kit to do it yourself for like 10 bucks from console5.com. I've never done any soldering before and I was still able to do it just fine.

Only caveat is you need an early board revision for it to work, and can't be PAL.

If your game console isn't plugged into a VCR through composite while the VCR is plugged into a NTSC TV through coaxial, you are doing it wrong.

>>5127821
literally why would you do this

>>5127087
>>5127095
>like developers intended
>was only shipped with 5th gen (and later) consoles
???

>rgb-fags have to use shaders to get the same gfx-effects as composite-masterrace

>>5127831
>literally why would you do this

Ultimate image enhancement.

>>5127849
>have to

>>5127821
This was exactly my set-up for 3 different systems until about 2 years ago.

Composite looks like trash.Also the sonic waterfalls are kino without the blurry dithering.

>>5127185
What model?

>hear Americans talk about how bad old games look on hdtvs
>don't really understand
>later on hear that Americans don't have RGB SCART as standard
Sometimes I'm glad I grew up with PAL games.

>>5127948
I'll gladly pick having 60Hz and non-butchered ports over having TVs with native RGB support but having all the old games running in a squished frame and 17% slower.

Why did HD bullshit have to become a thing anyways? That shit apparently has no end in sight. First it was 720p was all the rage. Then 1080p. Then it just kept going up to the current want for 4K now and we all know that isn't going to be the end of it. I really don't care these days what the games I play look like as long as they are fun and clearly visible. Graphics and HD fags are killing gaming. Really the only big positive of HD for me is porn.

>>5127948
RGB or not, SD games look bad on HD displays. You should feel bad for being a pleb.

>>5127087
>blurs your path

>>5127087
i play all my shit over composite (or RF) but BAKA at people playing on LCDs

>>5127417
I actually bought a set of thick-ass purple Monster S-video cables for my Gamecube back then and ended up using them with my 64 when I realized the port was the same.

It's great. You won't ever regret upgrading to S-video. Component doesn't provide the same leap, but composite –> S-video is always an eye-opening experience.

>>5128051
open this
>unzips dick

>>5128026
>RGB or not, SD games look bad on HD displays.
Depends on the display.

>>5128051
i had this cable and it was great, could even tell the difference with cheaper cables. uploaded video from it and people thought it was an emulator

>>5128084
It really doesn't. If a game wasn't developed for high resolutions, you gotta go with SD, unless you don't care.

>>5128094
Well I can choose between this, a 27" Profeel, PVM-2950QM, various BVM-20F1s and JVC/Panasonic equivalents.

I'll quite happily game on the Kuro. Even the lag is perfectly tolerable at just over 1 frame.

>>5128094
i'm viewing this website on a flatscreen

>>5127921
KV-32XBR70

>>5127116
>using composite as it was intended for making faux transparencies from dithered meshes
>a mess
Dumb nigger detected. Much of the reason composite looks bad on Genesis is because of the system itself. If you want to see decent composite video, look at hwo the Saturn handles it.

>>5128257
You should really be browsing through a NetLink adapter on a PVM. Reported.

>>5128271
Or the PC Engine. Its composite looks so good I actually mistook it for S-Video at first.

>>5127954
Because TV manufacturers want people to buy new TVs.
>First it was 720p was all the rage. Then 1080p.
720p, 1080i, and 1080p were main selling points together during the first big push to HDTVs in the early-mid 2000s.
>Then it just kept going up
Except it didn't, from the late 2000s to early 2010s, 720/1080p TVs were basically the norm. It wasn't until the middle of this decade that TV manufacturers realized people were content with whatever HDTV they purchased in the 2000s, and sales of TVs stalled as a result. That's when they decided to push out 4K in everyone's faces despite the fact you only really get an advantage of that resolution when your monitors is 40 inches or more. What's really annoying is they tried to sweeten the deal with this HDR bullshit, even before an HDR standard could be settled on. So now we have these "new" UHD sets with features that could be obsolete any day now thanks to the war between HDR10 and Dolby Vision, and that's not even taking in the fact people now have to factor in light output from their monitors to see if HDR is being used properly.

>>5128289
Don't forget 3d too.

A lot of people got burned on that. Not me though, and I won't be going 4k yet either.

>>5127087
I grew up with coaxial. When I moved out in the late 90s I upgraded to composite. Recently I got onto the S-video bandwagon and it is top tier.

>>5128289
And don't forget all the bullshit that the TV manufacturers were trying to peddle between the adoption of 1080p and 4K. Remember 3D TVs? Curved TVs? Smart TVs? All a bunch of gimmick bullshit they'd shit out every new year in an attempt to be the new thing to get people to buy TVs to replace the ones they have. And every time it failed, with 4K being the one to finally stick, because it's not a straight-up meme like some 3D glasses bullshit.

But even then, 4K on a TV is fucking pointless. For a computer monitor, fine. But for a TV it's not going to make a damn difference. Especially when even most modern games still can't even do 1080p 60fps reliably anyway.

>>5128271
That's precisely what I said, retard. That the waterfall effect isn't worth the baggage of the Genesis' awful composite encoding, rainbow banding, jailbars, etc.

Meanwhile genesis games look beautiful in RGB with the only caveat being "b-b-but muh waterfalls". The waterfalls look cool without the dithered effect anyway, and you get a nice sharp image for everything else.

>>5128327
>>5128398
I actually forgot about 3D TVs, but yeah, that had to have burned way too many people from adopting 4K TVs early on. Curved TV I think are the most retarded thing the TV makers put out seeing as how the original selling point to early flat panel HDTVs was that they didn't distort the image like CRTs did with their protruding glass screens. The fact that there are monitors with distorting curved screens still being made is infuriating.

>>5128404
>muh waterfalls
It's not just waterfalls dumb nigger. Tons of shadow effects and color blending in games like Comix Zone look wrong without composite video. It's shit, but it's needed.
>The waterfalls look cool without the dithered effect anyway
If by cool you mean wrong, sure.

>>5127185
Nice wood, what game?

>>5128585
Beyond Oasis

>>5127135
*enunciates really strangely in your path*

>>5128585
>Nice wood

>>5128593
In all seriousness though, does that guy have a speech impediment or something? I've never heard an accent like that before in my life.

>>5128760
I don't think so. I've known people who talk in a very similar way. Who cares though, at least he's not a mumbling mess like so many retro YouTubers.

>>5128760
High-end upscalers like the frayuhmmeiiister

>>5127193
best post in the thread

>>5127110
Are there any other games than sonic that anyone should lower their standards and use a bad connection (like Svideo or lower)?

>>5128836
>>5127135
FIELD
PROGRAMMABLE
GATORADES

>>5127087
I use a composite cable w/ an f-type adapter on my ‘82 coax only tv. Definitely improves picture quality over OEM rf adapters for 8 and 16 bit.

Also rate my goodwill find, pic related

>>5129213
>Also rate my goodwill find, pic related
an rca cable? Those are a dime a dozen. I have 6 gorillion of them. 0/10 find

>>5127087
>>5127113
>>5127129
>>5127195
Say what you will about RF but it was the ONLY hookup that let you connect all your systems to one input :)

>>5127087
IT. JUST. WORKS.

>>5129242
And it could do it even on a shitty tv with only RF input. Of course with every switch you add the quality gets worse though.

>>5128051
Legitimate question, the regular models of the SNES were S-video compatible, does this cord work or do you need a cord specifically designed for the SNES?

>>5129337
Nintendo consoles used the same multi-out port until the Wii.

>>5129337
That cable or one that is like that will work with the original SNES as well.

>>5127087
So are there europeans who literally never used composite?

>>5127159
>>5127164
>>5127140

Just checked around at the prices on ebay/craigs/etc. and now I'm seeing broken ones going for more than the price that I got my working one for, only like a little over a year ago.

holy hell man.

>>5129432
I just got this for $220, is that bad?

>>5129437
Significantly better than I tend to see now? yes.

Better than a year or two ago? no.

>>5129437
one day i will have one

>>5127087
>Only slightly better then coxial

>>5129497
Why can’t ypu have one now? There’s tons on eBay around that price.

>>5129497
I think they'll only get more expensive at time goes on.

Then again it might be a bit of a speculation bubble now, idk.

>>5129242
>let you connect all your systems to one input
That's also an argument for anal sex.

>>5129665
You have to keep in mind that there are essentially two markets of PVMs. There are the /vr/ gamers and people that know they're good for /vr/ shit and highly coveted and will sell them for inflated prices. And then there are the liquidation/surplus/supply places that are just getting rid of old stock. Eventually the latter will run dry. However, that stock is the stuff that you hunt around for and can potentially get for really cheap, equivalent to going to garage sales and getting expensive old games for cheap. But the stuff on ebay being sold by scalpers/speculators/etc? That's in a bubble and will eventually crash. There's a ton of "PVM hype" right now.

I use both a 20" PVM via RGB hookups as well as a 32" trinitron via RGB-component transcoder. The PVM looks better due to the higher TV lines and less ghosting of the phosphors, but the consumer set still looks sharp as fuck. And you can get a good consumer set for free and for a nice-sized TV in the 27-32" range easily, whereas a PVM of that size will cost you like 2000 dollars.

If I were in this market now, that's the route I would go exclusively. The jump to PVM isn't worth it at all. If you can find one cheap locally, then great, but never pay those ridiculous ebay+shipping costs now

>>5129669
Cloaca is the best hole.

>>5129731
The RSPB would like a word with you

>>5127087
I remember this being standard for the 32 bit era. You can get away with RF for SNES/GENESIS etc, but using an RF SWITCH on the SEGA SATURN for instance, even back then, was ugly. n64 was noticeably worse and it's rf switch was this weird little black bloc I remember.

Comp ain't bad, being retro actively tainted by EMULATOR BIAS I think SVIDEO is probably the best way to do it these days. For kids that know no better go RF, turn off your phone, and play the first few Slayer albums while playing a game for 6 hours straight if you want the full retro feel.

>>5127315
Look at this fucking poser.

For anyone who ACTUALLY was there, LCDs were cool ONLY CAUSE THE FORM FACTOR. People were like "Whoa fuck I need an LCD because it's smaller". Kind of like when we moved from mechanical keyboards to cheap plastic ones.

There was for sure a CRT exodus for a few years which bled into the HD tv things but generally it was a matter of FORM preference than "What looks better". At some point it was obviously apparent HD is better for new media as we forgot about all the retro things we used to desire, but yeah don't kid yourself

>>5129961
Especially true with those LCD screens from back in the day. They were fucking horrible with ghosting and shitty backlighting and nonexistent black levels. It wasn't the screen that made people want to switch over, it was the size.

>>5127831
not op and I obviously know this is a troll however this can be an effective setup if you need to record footage to a PVR with no pass through. RCA out on VCR to PVR and COAX to TV so you can see what you are playing.

VCR is ultimate PVR tho[/spoler]

>>5128404
not op but especially how good the rest of the game looks. The detail in the second level is much more vibrant.

>>5129213
COMPONENT BRO IS BORN

Very glad everything is getting HDMI+flashcart mods nowadays. Retro gaming has never been easier.

>>5130008
emulators are infinitely easier and they've been around for a long time.

>>5127116
>posts an image of RF

what other systems have really good composite? I know the Turbografx does

>>5129213
totally 90s

>>5127179
Because most Japanese homes didn't have RGB you retarded eurocuck. The US also had a slew of RGB video formats but they were expensive and only available on high-end shit. You could buy high-end TVs in the US that offered RGB, for example. Same in Japan. It doesn't mean most consumers had it.

>>5129961
That's a load of shit, but nice try. LCDs had multiple advantages. They made them matte (CRTs had awful glare) and were nicer to look at despite the worse color gamut. Perhaps most importantly they werent like staring at a 100W lightbulb flickering at 50Hz/60Hz so they were far less headache inducing. The persistence of LCDs caused ghosting in the early days but it also made the image more stable, ultimately more 'solid' looking. Now if you're going to claim anything other than everyone ran their crts at 50/60Hz you're full of shit. Every time i walked into an office people would be using monitors capable of 80Hz at the default 60Hz, flickering away as an agonizing eyesore. And TV's obviously weren't adjustable except for the very few double freq models.

This is where i call you a falseflagging poser faggot zoomer.

>tfw you play happily play your games over RF using an old 10" crt that's probably close to dying
I've never understood the obsession with wanting emulation-like quality on your physical hardware. Just emulate at that point.

>>5130289
Some systems aren't emulated properly and a lot of people like better quality inputs running into CRTs. If they're doing it on a modern display then they might as well emulate though

>>5130320
The only consoles I can think of that don't emulate great are N64 and Saturn, but both of those are 3D consoles. You can't really make early 3D look any better, even with an upscaler. You just get a really clear image of some jaggy polygons, which doesn't sound like it's worth the money or trouble for.

>>5130336
Early 3D and 6th gen stuff tends to look better through a CRT. It hides the obvious pixelation pretty well for the most part

>>5130338
Exactly my point of "Quit chasing the purple dragon."

>>5130289
>>5130336
>>5130341
Well, you said it. You don't understand.

>>5130338
For 6th gen that really depends. If it's 480p I prefer playing it on an HDTV. If it's 480i then a CRT is the way to go. In general interlaced video is best seen on a CRT because that's what CRTs were meant for, and any sort of HDTV/LCD has to do deinterlacing.

>>5130030
I don't know about that picture, but that's what Genesis composite-video looks like. Blurry as a motherfucker, those awful shimmering vertical bars that are especially apparent on blue and/or dithered backgrounds. Genesis composite looks as bad as other systems via RF. And genesis RF is ungodly horrible. It's like that but then add the sort of interference effects you see on a wrinkled VHS tape.

>>5129337
iirc, the only older nintendo system that uses that kind of port and doesn't work with svideo cords is the AV famicom.

>>5127831
all of my TVs growing up didn't have the right cords in back so i had to go through the VCR

>>5127374
you forgot to mention your 100 ms input lag

>>5130523
And SNES2/Jr, though that can be modded back in with a couple of wires and resistors.

>>5130285
>muh 60hz headaches wahhh

Congratulations on the shit genes LMAO

>>5130008
>tfw the UltraHDMI mod for the N64 is expensive as shit

>>5130801
N64 on an HDTV is blasphemy anyway. It looks so much more appealing on a CRT.

>>5130804
The UltraHDMI mod has a really nice built-in scanline option on the firmware.

>>5127087

What about consoles like the Gamecube and PS2 that shipped with composite cables but allowed for component output?

>>5130805
>emulator-tier scanline filter anywhere near the same as playing on a real CRT

SEX CLIPS


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>>5130807
There's almost no purpose to getting the expensive component cables for the GC now since HDMI plug-and-play cables have exploded over the past year. However, the component cables for the PS2 are still better than the recent HDMI plug-and-play cord that came out due to the 4:3 ratio being unsupported for some unholy reason.

>>5130808
>posting le "muh cardio kills gains man who fails to realize that he should take a break in between exercises instead of doing both workouts back to back like a retard" man while being a pvmemefag

>>5130818
FIVE REASONS WHY FILTERS ARE FAKE AND GAY AND WHY YOU SHOULD PLAY ON A CRT INSTEAD (NON NEGOTIABLE)

>>5130827
MY TWO CENTS - CRT VS HDTV - WHAT'S BETTER - JUST PLAY THE DAMN GAMES GOD DAMMIT

>>5130839
The Piano Man was okay with classic games on HDTVs
And he's dead.
CRT only, non-negotiable.

>>5130764
Jokes on you fag, the rest of the world agrees lcds are better and we've stopped making eye cancer tubes.

>>5130970
lel, you're the same fag from a few days ago who was seething butthurt about his shit-tier vision problems and all-around genetic inferiority and blaming it on lmaoTVs

>>5130285
There is something wrong with you. None of that is close to reality at all, except maybe the fact that people ran CRTs at the default refresh rate of 60 Hz which is perfect for human perception of videogames. I remember there used to be a mentally disabled individual who used to post here before who used to claim that he was somehow smarter or something because his brain ran faster or some other nonsense, please tell me it's not you back with a vengeance.

>>5130285
There is something wrong with you. None of that is close to reality at all, except maybe the fact that people ran CRTs at the default refresh rate of 60 Hz which is perfect for human perception of videogames. I remember there used to be a mentally disabled individual who used to post here before who used to claim that he was somehow smarter or something because his brain ran faster or some such nonsense because he couldn't tolerate anything under 120hz or something like that (despite the fact that his own LCDs don't refresh anything like fully like that), please tell me it's not in fact you back with a vengeance.

I'll take that any day over pal 50hz scart bullshit

for me

>>5128848
A lot of Genesis games (the only ones that come to mind right now are Vectorman and Zero Tolerance) and I think even some SNES games.

>>5129961
LCDs cost significantly less (we're talking about a 90% drop in costs) to run. They're less power hungry, less noisy, and easier to move around. I know the idea of 'paying for electricity' is alien to you zoomers, but back in the day, electronics actually cost quite a bit to run.

>>5130975
Nope, actually i have "21/20" vision, i'm just not revising history

>>5131043
I have no idea who you're talking about, but i'm not making this up. You ever wonder why crt's flicker when filmed whereas LCD's don't? LCD has a far more persistent image which is nicer on the eyes, and people in general respond to. I can't believe this is so controversial. A few years back some LCDs had PWM backlights causing flickering and that was giving people headaches, and the flicker was nowhere near as intense as CRTs.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/154193120104500315
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3592304/
>It was also observed that the eyestrain, redness, itching, burning and double vision were less when the subjects used LCD monitors instead of CRT monitors, but a significant association was found only with eye strain [Table/Fig-3]. The CRT monitors have to be replaced with flat-panel LCD screens. The LCD screens are easier on the eyes and they usually have an anti-reflective surface. The images on the CRT monitors can “flicker”, which can cause eye strain [19].

I googled for 2 minutes and found about 10 articles like these two. As i said originally, LCD adoption was not merely about cost reduction, that is revisionist horseshit or perhaps LCD adoption through the eyes of a zoomer.

>>5131495
As a migraine sufferer I ditched CRTs as soon as I could and never looked back. It made a huge difference.

>>5127871
>So crisp and clear, I love it!

>>5129343
except in france, I can't remember a SD-console not being sold with either composite or RF.

I use S-video for all SD consoles with no progressive scan support (and an Xbox).

>>5132102

These static screenshots don't even tell half the story.

Dot crawl makes me physically sick. That's why I avoid using the yellow peril at all costs.

>>5131043
>60 Hz which is perfect for human perception of videogames.

I'm sorry but wut? Have you tried setting your monitor to 75Hz+ at all?

60Hz legitimately looks funny. And I don't mean this in a meme "you should use 24Hz for cinematic effect" way. Going above 60Hz you can see the "silky motion" effect that seems to characterize that framerate go away. Instead, things significantly above 60Hz just look 'normal', closer to real life where you don't think about framerate, instead of looking 'glossy'. The soap opera effect seems to be real, but actually goes away when the FPS goes even higher.

>>5132095
The effect is ruined

A random idea just popped into my head
If you play a PAL copy of FFIX on a 60Hz-capable TV and somehow force the game to display in that mode, will that make getting the Excalibur possible? Or will something still fuck up along the way?

>>5133424
yeah, and instead playing it in composhit is totally worth the rest of the game looking like garbage.

>>5133381
That only works with something that can match framerate. Otherwise going on an off field with imprecise division will just judder (same judder people with 100 or 144hz monitors get with emulators)

>>5133381
more like 120hz+. 75hz doesn't look any different than 60. Hell that was the default refresh rate of pretty much every shit tier 5:4 lcd for a long time. I always set them to 60 because it breaks compatibility with tons of shit.

>>5133627
Depends on the display tech i guess, but 75Hz is certainly a noticeable step up from 60Hz on CRTs. LCDs i agree it's less noticeable but when scrolling/moving text its still a noticeable improvement. I agree 120Hz+ is where it gets real smooth though.

Regarding compatibility with games, so long as your monitor's refresh rate is a multiple of the game's framerate there is no issue even for games that can't be run at a higher framerate, so long as the sync rate is divisible by the framerate (eg 120Hz / 30fps = 4) which is why variable sync tech is pretty cool (eg, matching anywhere from 100Hz to 144Hz). This benefits both popular display techs: for CRTs it reduces flicker, for LCDs it reduces ghosting/blur.

>>5133427
git gud

>>5127185
I recently modded a genesis m1, as well, but I seem to be getting a microshake on half of the screen (usually top). I'm going to test on another TV when I get the chance, but is this normal? I dont have this issue on an SNES or PS1.

>developers spent money on making their hardware capable of connections better than composite
>but they don't want you to use it
Explain. If sega didn't want me to play the genesis in rgb then why did they spend money on making the genesis capable of rgb?

>>5127435
Why would someone just go on the internet and make things up?

HEY RGB FAGGOTS.

How's that dithering working out for you?

LOSER.

>>5133427
FFIX PAL runs in 50Hz, but everything else runs as if it were 60Hz.

So, music would be faster, and the clock would be even faster, so just getting the EXII at all would probably be impossible.

>>5134231
But it's literally impossible to do it at 50Hz, anon
>>5134794
I see. That sounds unusual, though. Are there a lot of PAL games that are 50Hz but with specific elements of it running faster?

>>5131495
Yes I agree. I suffer from bad headaches with CRTs too. Also have had trouble opening my onions lately and my nipples are sore...

>>5129437
Same anon, it came in and holy fuck is the picture beautiful. Even s-video looks sharper than I ever imagined, but RGB is something even better. I’ve never seen RGB on a tv this size, and certainly never with shadow mask tech. I’ll post pics later probably.

>>5134787
SH isn't exactly a good-looking game regardless.

>>5135201
But Trinitrons don't use shadow masks

>>5134262
As a follow up to this, it seems like it's just the TV. Testing on a Trinitron and some old cheap sylvania TV produces a perfect image.

Wonder what's up with my TV.

>>5135246
Meant aperture grill

I like the softness of background images w/ composite when objects are suppose to appear far away. Tv is a 24” mid 80s NEC.

>>5127095
Tfw when can’t decide, TVs are so cheap or free, so you collect a tv w/ good picture quality from every era, rf to component.

>>5136491
based and compositepilled

>>5127161
Looks good senpai
I wonder if comb filter vs no affects amount of dot crawl or not

Ah yes, the way it was meant to be played™.
Composite always wins, baby! Composite always wins.

>>5139201
That looks more like a problem with your TV, not the composite cable.

>>5139207
Nope. That's the power of Genesis composite.

>>5139210
Doesn't look like that on mine though

>>5139215
>works on my system :^)

>>5139218
It really does, I'm sorry for your issue though.
Maybe your cable is faulty.

>>5139221
lol I own multiple geneses and cables. This is what the composite video encoding looks like, senpai. Just do a quick google search for "genesis rainbow banding"

You probably own a model 2 with shit-tier sound quality because no YM2612

>>5139227
No, I have a model 1.
Doing a quick search for that gives me 3 results: 2 romhacking results and 1 neogaf, lol.

>>5139227
Oh and I forgot to add, the cable I'm using is RGB sync on composite with a breakout box pulling out the composite signal. I'm literally using the same cable for both sets of images.

>>5139229
>lying on the internet

>>5139234
Not lying, I just searched with the quotation marks as you posted.
Reading that sega-16 thread there's a guy who, like me, says his Genesis doesn't look like that.
Maybe it's a matter of different revisions of the system.

>>5139278
Take a pic of the back of your console. I imagine it's a VA7, which is essentially a model 2 but in a model 1 case.
I've never seen a true model 1 (VA6 or lower) that doesn't have the rainbow banding and shit-tier composite.

>>5135149
>c-crts are better because y-you cut on-onions

>>5139227
>maybe its your tv
>ive got multiple genesis and cables, so its not the tv
uh

>>5139330
I have multiple TVs too, dumb dumb. And multiple consoles, meaning it'd be pretty obvious if the problem were with this TV in general, or this TV's composite connection. You think I wouldn't realize this? and that's without the fact that rainbow banding on genesis is a well documented phenomenon.

>>5139339
Rainbow banding looks fucking cool

>>5139354
RF looks pretty kewl too. This is truly the basest and redpillest way to game

>you're not autistic enough to understand using objectively a worse output

>>5130285
>headaches from looking at CRTs
i think you have brain damage

>>5139290
Model 2 Genesis also have shit tier composite.
I bought like 15 of them to check different board variants and they all had dark jailbars on composite and general looked muddy and blurry.

Just get a 32X. I have one and its composite output is so sharp and free of artifacts it could be mistaken for S-video.

The Sega Wondermega/X'eye supposedly has even better composite video than 32X but I'm not about to drop a grand to order one from Ebay and find out.

>>5139359
>>5139201
Using rf w/ model 1 I get banding under waterfalls but the rest of the game looks decent considering the input

>>5139546
Getting an ugly expensive eyesore like the 32X for better composite seems pointless when every genesis I'm aware of is capable of crisp RGB out of the box anyway.

>>5130285
>Every time i walked into an office people would be using monitors capable of 80Hz at the default 60Hz
Do you see fluorescent lights flickers as well? Just how autistic are you?

>>5139863
...You don't?

>>5139867
>his autism gives him strengh, sir, he can falseflag quicker, spill his spaghetti with more vigor, fucking see the world at a faster rate than nearly every other human being on the entire planet!

>>5139359
Just how long did you have to fiddle to get the picture that bad?

>>5139847
if you live in america u hook all your stuff up in composite

>>5139863
Fluorescent bulbs actually do flicker, but much faster than what we can see. Newer fluro's flicker in the kilohertz range, and the oldest fluro bulbs still flicker much faster than a normal CRT.
It's not about autism, every hated CRT flickering unless they were literally a drooling retard with eye problems. The problem was simply most people didn't realize they could fix it.

>>5140030
If you think noticing CRT flicker was some niche autism thing i guess you werent alive before LCDs took over. Youth is a valuable period of life, treasure it friend. Don't waste it pretending to know details of a happily bygone era.

>>5140072
No time at all. Although I had the RF line out plugged in at the same time as the multi-out, which could've fucked with things. I also didn't have an official RF box handy so I just used an RCA cable with a straight RCA-coax adapter.

It was just a joke, I'm not saying RF actually looks that bad when done properly. The composite pics are 100% serious though.

>>5140076
I live in America and I use composite for NES, S-video for Gamecube, and either component or RGB for everything else. These pictures were taken on a consumer TV so I use an RGB-component transcoder

>>5127831
I think he got it backwards. You can run gen 1/2 systems through coax -> to composite through a VCR. Some VCRs have good RF demodulation which means the image gets cleaned up over composite. The biggest example probably being the 2600. It's pretty easy to do a real composite mod for the 2600 though.

>>5127821
>>5127831
Unironically I need to do this. I have a rf only tv I really like, good picture for what it is, see here>>5139706
I want to run my pc engine on it but the pc engine outputs rf on channel 95 (or 96 I forget). The problem is the tv gets lots of rf interference on high # channels from local radio stations so the image on channel 95/96 is terrible. I also have a pc engine grafx so I’m thinking of using a vcr or dedicated converter to go grafx composite -> channel 3/4 rf.

>>5129242
>He doesn't know what a switcher is

>have japanese console with RF output
>standardized channel frequencies are different in japan vs america
>the RF signal set to channel 1-2 is actually halfway between like 95 and 96 and it's impossible to get a clear image

>>5144312
I’m thinking about picking up an rf modulator. Ebay has a Chinese modulator that has rheostats to dial down/up audio or video for the rf out. I run audio through an external amp anyways so hoping this modulator will maximize image quality.
“Professional Digital VHF UHF RF Modulator AV to RF AVto TV Converter Adapter” on eBay.

>>5144971
>maximize image quality
>RF
Is getting a free TV with composite video really so much of a hardship that you'd resort to buying Chinese junk to avoid it?

>>5144979
Some consoles like Famicom are RF only. I also never said anything about "maximizing image quality"

>>5127101
Scart RGB

>>5145004
>Some consoles like Famicom are RF only.
The thing in your picture is an RF modulator, not a demodulator. It takes composite video and turns it into RF. It won't help you with your Famicom unless it has a composite mod, in which case... just plug it into your TV.
>I also never said anything about "maximizing image quality"
Do you have Alzheimer's? Did you forget what you just wrote in your own post?
>[...]hoping this modulator will maximize image quality.

>>5144979
I have a gaggle of crts but this one is a sexy a/f wood cab ‘82 Mitsu, reminds me of the tv I grew up with and is rf only. Also I post here so o/c I have image quality aspergers.

>>5145019
I posted the modulator to use with a pc engine grafx b/c my white pc engine has shit rf on my ntsc crt

>>5145030
>pc engine grafx
This isn't a thing. Are you talking about the Core Grafx? You can literally just buy a composite video cable for those. The original white PC Engine also has composite video adapters. There's no point in using RF unless you just like having shit video quality.

>>5145043
Yep, Core grafx/pc engine grafx
Refer to my post >>5145023
for reasons. I have a kv-310 which gets the most use but sometimes I want to go full nostalgia.

>>5145068
>Core grafx/pc engine grafx
There's no "PC Engine Grafx". It's called the "PC Engine Core Grafx".

>>5139359
Well, are you aware that the picture is not even close to what it is supposed to look, right?

>>5145073
Exactly what I was saying, it’s the grafx version of the pc engine. Not the pc engine sans grafx.
Grafx.

>>5127821
>>5130526
I fucking hated this shit growing up.

>>5145120
why whats the problem??

>>5144979
Here she is, CS-1973R and >>5139706 is a closeup w/ model 1 genesis. This is the nostalgia station, other TVs are in the garage.

>>5129213
>6ft
Longer cables degrade analog signal

>>5146482
Good point. I also picked up NIB acoustic research 3 ft rca cables, I’ll use those instead

>>5129437
>>5129497
If I look for a CRT it will have to be something like this

>>5129437
That model's pretty much consumer-spec though.

What's the point and why oh why did you pay so much for it?

>>5147843
p sure that's bait, mate

i play all my stuff on composite

>>5149564
if you only have one audio channel, you should put it in the left (white) composite port, sometimes tvs will output both speakers that way.

>>5145613
>80's Mitsubishi sound equipment
It's so nice. I just wish I could get my pre-amp working again.