/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5112125
>This meant inferior cartridge versions of games had to be made.

Zelda II is better as a cart.

>a loss of a reliable save method
Lol no

>>5112130
I guess you liked passwords?

>62 million sales worldwide
my sources say no
also there is no wasted space in the original consoles

>>5112125
>Thing takes up space so it's bad

>>5112135
I didn't, but that doesn't make the Disk System 'reliable'.

This is exactly why I collect Famicom games instead of NES.

The empty space is intentional to give it prominence in shop displays, similar to how you get a huge package and have an incredibly tiny memory card in it.

It also was to take home space away from other competing consoles. This strategy was also employed by the original xbox, and if Microsoft are doing it in the early 2000s no it wasn't some mistake by Nintendo when they didn't know what they were doing, more like genius for its time. It's quite literally trying to push other consoles off with its big size, but it made a lot more sense for the NES because you had to own a NES. Of course now we have shelves with multiple levels for all kinds of things boxes, that's not how it was back then.

It also occupies a bigger space in the consumer's mind and it instinctively seems like a more serious piece of equipment. I'm not saying it makes sense, but there's something comforting in the bulkiness of it. You could use the NES or original xbox as a murder weapon, try taking someone out with a Wii, yeah I don't think so motherfucker.

>>5112125
You forgot the removal of the expansion audio connection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqyoTvZ5cOE

>>5112191
Which can be added back by literally soldering a single resistor between two pins

>>5112125
It seems like NES games would be a great place to hide drugs. All that empty space, plus the added security of requiring a special non-standard security bit to open them.

It's almost as if japs are largely talentless philistines enamored by empty aesthetics (this goes for all of eastern culture btw)

>>5112189
>try taking someone out with a Wii
Pretty sure you could kill someone with a Wiimote.

Something something looks more like a VCR, something something video game crash

>>5112189
>This strategy was also employed by the original xbox
I categorically disagree with this statement. I have had my OG xboxs (plural) open a few times over the years. Everything is jammed jelly tight. For a late 90s design that came to fruition in 2001, it used full sized HDD, DVD drive and was nothing more then a proprietary gaming pc. There is no way to make it smaller short of removing essential components. An external power brick would have saved a bit of space. They lost money on every system sold. There was no sense in using more expensive components/design at that time any more then necessary.

>>5112189
>You could use the NES or original xbox as a murder weapon
If given a choice, I would certainly take the Xbox every day. It should be something that needs registered as a lethal weapon, but I am against any sort of weapon registry.

>>5112248
>Pretty sure you could kill someone with a Wiimote.
They don't call it a nunchuck attachment for no reason.

It's the greatest console of all time and you wouldn't have your precious Xbox one without it, kiddo.

>>5112287
>Is the NES the worst console redesign ever?

Damn dude learn to read lmao

>>5112275
>I categorically disagree with this statement. I have had my OG xboxs (plural) open a few times over the years. Everything is jammed jelly tight. For a late 90s design that came to fruition in 2001, it used full sized HDD, DVD drive and was nothing more then a proprietary gaming pc. There is no way to make it smaller short of removing essential components.

I have opened mine more than once as well. The main reason it's "jam-packed" is because of the huge pieces of empty metal there. There's may be something to what you're saying about having big components.

>An external power brick would have saved a bit of space.

Yes and they didn't use it because they were ok with it being huge. Hint: this works against your argument.

>They lost money on every system sold. There was no sense in using more expensive components/design at that time any more then necessary.

What is that supposed to mean, how does it ever any sense in "using expensive components/design more than necessary". It doesn't matter how much they are selling a system for a loss or a gain, it never makes any sense to make things more expensive than necessary. Yes they were trying to cram in an old architecture it, however it still used more space than necessary. The gamecube and PS2 required CD drives as well.

>>5112196
It has happened at least once

https://youtu.be/gqJKupIFo1Y?t=465

>>5112125

NES had built-in composite A/V support. Famicom only had RF.

>>5112453
>The main reason it's "jam-packed" is because of the huge pieces of empty metal there. There's may be something to what you're saying about having big components
Microsoft saved on R&D by using ordinary PC components as a base which tend to be bigger than components designed for console. The Xbox for example had a big old external southbridge on its motherboard. The Nvidia GPU (basically a GeForce 4 prototype) had a very large die compared to typical console components.

>It doesn't matter how much they are selling a system for a loss or a gain, it never makes any sense to make things more expensive than necessary.
See above. They saved on R&D costs, it also meant they could rush the product to market more quickly (Microsoft regarded this as very important, which is why 360 was rushed to market before PS3 later on), and the PC derived components they used were cutting edge in raw power to give Microsoft that graphics edge they wanted.

The other thing you need to be wary of is that the console had several revisions. The first revision of the Xbox is particularly jam packed inside. Hell, they even jammed in an additional fan on the GPU in hardware version 1.0

>>5112125
Protip: the boards inside the cartridges weren't all sized the same. Obviously a board from a game with a MMC, multiple ROM banks, save RAM, expansion RAM, a battery, enhancement chips, etc... are going to be larger. And anyways, they were made larger for the US market on purpose to meet what Nintendo's US marketing team believed would give the system more of a premium feel to American buyers. And it's true, the Famicom looked way too toy-like by contemporary US standards.

>>5112125
>>The Machine is basically just empty space.
That's clearly just a game cartridge. I know the unit itself was mostly empty space but that's a shit and misleading way to start a thread and I'm not reading or commenting any further.

>>5112125
It was redesigned to mimic a VCR. The design is fucktarded I know, but Nintendo is just dumb and thinks everything needs to be dumbed down for some reason.

>>5112628
MMC5 games have boards that actually take up the entire cartridge.

>>5112125
OP takes up a lot of space. Pic related is what he has inside him. Ergo, he is bad

>>5112723
Americans are self conscious about playing with toys so they need to be tricked into thinking everything is bigger and badder, Nintendo was right.

>>5112125
> Is the NES the worst console redesign ever?
ever since i was kid back in early 80s i've always thought the japanese version was superior, but we got this giant brick instead in australia. nintendo did make up for it later with the nes 101. that was pretty good.

>>5112736
>toploader
gross.
The American and EU NES would've been the best revision if it was shorter and was straight slot loading instead of that autistic VCR like thing.

>>5112739
>if it was shorter and was straight slot loading instead of that autistic VCR like thing
that would have been far better than what they gave us.

>>5112739
>>5112749
Not trying to shill here but some people made a different connector thing for NES consoles so you just have to push your cartridges straight in your console instead of having to push it down as well.

>>5112194
What parent in the 1980's would have been autistic enough to know/think of that?

>>5112137
Sales have nothing to do with the actual quality of the design.

>>5112727
What games use it?

>>5112798
you dont need an extra part custom for that. Just bend the pins so the connection is tighter and you wont need to push down. Straight in and straight out

Famicom carts looked so much better

>>5112949
I agree, but they also remind me a lot of Atari carts. Nintendo probably wanted to make them more distinct for the US release.

>>5112125
it was 80s aesthetic af
the whole design was cool and interesting

different time anon, different time

>>5112949
They really don't. And all the myriad colors make them all look like a pile of clown vomit. Going uniform grey with the NES carts was one of the single best decisions in all of video gaming.

>>5112189
The Wii has a lot more density, you could pistol whip a mother fucker better with a wee than an nes

>>5112197
That's a pretty bold stance, but I'll allow it.

>>5112128
why? Audio and visuals were made worse, weren't they?

>>5113010
this, the wii is an ungodly brick of a device

>burgers telling their creation myth about how nintendo invented video games in seven days
>"People were sick of all the shovelware on the Atari so they marketed the NES as a toy rather than a video game! Sasuga Nintendo-sama!"

>burgers defending the ugly NES design
>"Famicom looked too much like a toy so they redesigned it to look like a serious machine! Sasuga Nintendo-sama!"

>>5112189
pretty sure the size of the cart is so it can reach the slot in the back of the console because the thing was designed by a literal retard who wanted it to be a frontloader

>>5113179
i mean for most people the N64 is the oldest thing that's even fun enough to be worth playing in current year

>>5113207
Even the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are "too old" to kids these days. It's funny that you mention the N64 considering how much it gets shat on lately, probably by the same kids I mentioned earlier.

>>5112518
DING winner. NES is best

Also the color scheme is way more aesthetic

>>5113179
fuck off SMS cuck

>>5112916
http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/search.php?keywords=mmc5&kwtype=chip

>>5112949
disagree, looks like an oversized unorganized jelly bean collection

>>5113225
its jealous playstation owners who hate on it

>>5113313
no dude japan stuff is always better
nevermind if i can't read the dialogue. i didn't buy video games to read im not a fuckin nerd. wow. i don't mind having to sit very close to the console either and not move around at all. not one bit

>>5113191
They wanted it to look and load like a VCR. It was an attempt to appeal to what was perceived as what Americans wanted in a console.

>>5113332
they should know by now they know better than the consumer

>>5113332
its also got the best video output and least jailbars

>>5112189
If I want a club as a means of defense I’ll buy a bat
I’m
Mean currently a gun is more effective

>>5112718
This has to be bait

>>5113320
Jap famicom carts look like shit. They're all sorts of colors instead of being consistent. They're varying sizes too rather than being standardized form factor. Smaller label means worse label art, whereas NES versions typically have the full box art rather than having it cut off. NES carts also have END LABELS unlike famicom carts.

>>5113179
>The NES was such unmitigated Nintendominance that 30 years later asshurt europoors cucked by Sega are still salty about it
sasuga nintendo-sama

>>5113414
Why didn't the Famicom, Super Famicom, N64 have end labels, and why did the JP Gamecube games come in a cardboard box?
Why were the JP versions of Nintendo's packaging so inferior? Is it a cultural thing?

>>5112196
Deepest lore

>>5113179
Okay but why were all of alex kid's games such unbelievable shit? Are there any actually worth playing besides shinobi world?

>>5112189
>Of course now we have shelves with multiple levels for all kinds of things boxes, that's not how it was back then.
What the fuck am I reading? Multi-level shelving and credenzas are not a new invention you dork.

>>5113424
>JP cube games came in cardboard
damn i didn't know that

>>5113591
I didn't describe it well. They came in a plastic case, but instead of having an insert behind a plastic cover like most DVDs, it had a slip cover that went over the case, instead of inside the plastic.

>>5112137
Capeshit movies earn anywhere between 1 to 2 billion dollars a piece. But that doesn't make them good films. It just shows how awful taste people have.

>>5113417
>Implying anyone in Europe bothered with consoles
>Not just having a PC
And this is exactly why console users are peasants, with their stupid peasant wars.

>>5112518
>>5112196
>>5112137
America wins again

>>5113684
Whatever nerdlinger. Enjoy not having friends

>>5113684
More like its because PAL50 is gay.

>>5113740
... what?

>>5113662
It's actually the same design we got in the west for the gameboy player startup disc.
...and the fact that it doesn't come in a normal GC disc case is probably the reason why it seems like 90% of people with Gameboy Players lost the damn thing.

>>5112518
Also controllers that aren't HARD FUCKING WIRED to the goddamn console. By cords that are only like 3 fucking feet long, mind you.

Famicom looks like trash. The color scene is ugly, it has piss-poor functionality, and it looks like a starscream transformers toy that someone gave up on transforming halfway through.

Famicom AV is pretty good though aside from weighing less than a coaster.

The Twin Famicom is by far the most aesthetic of the models. I own one and really want an adapter to play NES games on it. Japs live in tiny houses, the cord length of their consoles is really terrible, and the decision to hard wire the controllers has to be one of the stupidest things I've seen in the history of the industry.
The NES carts are bulky as fuck , though I agree with the decision to standardize the color scheme. Famicom carts are cute but should've been one color as well.
It's hard to recommend a Famicom if you're bothered by the cord length, otherwise its the better option.

>>5113879
The Twin Fami may look pretty nice but is really bulky and the built in disk drive is unnecessary with an fds stick anyways.
The best NES/Famicom hardware you can get is the AV Famicom without any doubt. It small, has a standard multiout port, looks sexy as well and uses standard NES-style controller plugs.

>>5113769
>it has piss-poor functionality
The short wire thing is a cultural difference. Westerners sit on a chair, Japanese sit on the floor.

>>5114048
Not by choice numbnuts, maybe if they’re controller cord was longer than my cock they wouldn’t have to keep their consoles on the floor

>>5114058
>Japanese started sitting on the floor because of the Famicom's short cables

>>5114048
I did that as a child.

>>5112125
it's so they can sell it at a higher price
if you saw how small it was you wouldn't buy it for what they were selling it at

>>5113313
>>5113007
>>5112287
Kill yourselves.

>>5114142
Famicuck detected

>>5114163
Famicom is objectively better than the NES.

>>5113335
Fucking retard, they had to distance themselves from atari because of the crash of 1983. You're up too late playing fortnite, zoomer.

>>5114171
>short cables
>ugly color scheme
>RF
lmao kill you're self famicuck

>>5114198
>gigantic grey box that's mostly empty space
>expansion audio gone
>no disc add-on, among other things missing
Us retro gamers though, right? :P Glorious NES! I'm such a nerd xp

>>5114217
the nes board takes up all that space tho what are you talking about? its like youve never opened one up before

>>5113179
>burgers telling their creation myth about how nintendo invented video games in seven days
it's true

>>5114217
>muh 3d glasses
>muh genesis fart sounds on the nes
>muh loading screens

btw expansion audio can be added to an nes for $0.15 in components. The only problem is the shit N8/powerpak support. That's the slavs fault though.

>tfw I would unironically prefer a famicom but it's not compatible with NES carts and I can't read Japanese

>>5114424
You can get a pin adapter and use NES carts. There's no other region lock other than the pins.

>>5112125
>exactly one improvement
We also have composite where the first Famicom is RF only. We got the better deal.

>>5112949
No end labels, so no.

>>5114174
atari only got fucked because nintendo started with its licensing shenanigans go fuck yourself nintendo invented console exclusives and atari died at their feet

>>5114048
Most Japanese also live in little apartments. To have a 3 meter cord when when you're likely sitting 1 meter from the TV is excessive.

>>5112128
im gonna go out on a limb and assume the person your quoting has never played a fds game with loading screens. they are so fucking long.

>>5112125
You say much without saying anything. What is your point?

>>5112723
>Nintendo was dumb
Er, you mean the Americans were gullible

>>5114851
That the machine and games take up more space than they need and that some games are actually worse because they had to be ported to cartridge.

>>5113684
The European market was mostly dominated by pc in the 80s/early 90s, this anon is right

>>5112189
This is one of the worst, if not the worst analysis I’ve read on 4chan. Everything you said is wrong.

>>5112197
Interestingly, this thread is about how bad the redesign was for western countries in comparison to the original japanese Famicom. Laughing at you lad.

>>5114086
KEK

>>5112189
>Of course now we have shelves with multiple levels for all kinds of things boxes, that's not how it was back then.

Jesus, my dad lived to see the invention of carpentry? I hope to see how those chinese end up inventing symbols to reference objects in reality in my lifetime too... All while we play our Nintendos projected on the cave walls with stationary fire. Finger Mario was good. I wonder about Finger Megaman...

>>5112518
>>5113769
AV famicom exists you brainlets.
It's the superior system anyway. Came out later so has better picture quality over composite, and has a far better controller layout.

>>5115175
>b-b-but the redesign that only totals a tiny fraction of the total number of famicoms!!!
kys.

>>5115179
It is better loser

>>5115179
The redesigned Famicom was still being produced and sold at retail until 2003.
Enough time for it to become a pretty sizable chunk of all famicoms ever produced and that shows just how good of a system it was.