/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

-100 minutes of /vr/ underway
-Organizer currently has not set a deadline for the project

-Some elements in the OP (not the news) need some updating
-Quaddicted no longer blocking EU IPs, still seeking help for GDPR compliance

=== NEWS ===

[10-18] DM4Jam DLC Update released, three extra maps
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61644

[10-10] DavidN is making BD less of a clusterfuck
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62203

[10-09] SM188 released, made with and using features from the recent progs_dump devkit
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61639

[10-06] XUMP - Hexen Upstart Mapping Project released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101939-hexen-upstart-mapping-project-released/

[10-05] Doom 64 EX community project announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102637-doom-64-ex-community-project-announced/

[10-02] Quake Champions audio ripped and shared, although from earlier version
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w87eb6j6oo3vct4/qc_snd_mus.zip?dl=1

[10-01] Deepdream Doom v1 released, v1.01 may be coming soon
https://www.mediafire.com/?z7wrmazotn6ws

[09-29] Quake C devkit "progs_dump" released, plus maps demonstrating its use
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61633

[09-28] La Tailor Girl's 1.68.99 release available
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=300#p1074206

[09-16] Doom Delta 2.0 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRBcbP5q5k

[09-15] Anon's quickstart map updated to support more Heretic, Hexen, and Strife IWADs
https://my.mixtape.moe/ykpkoh.pk3

[09-14] RedneckGDX released (fixed link)
https://m210.duke4.net/index.php/downloads/download/8-java/52-redneckgdx

[09-13] SM187 for Quake released, 4 hour speedmaps
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61629

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=== PROTIP ===

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I ain't afraid of no Quake!

Xth for Marathon.

Apparently someone on ZDoom forums made Universal AI. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62232

>>5095612
Can anyone identify the mods this guy is running? Looks like a blast to lan up.

>>5110740
>Can't see through bars

Wouldn't this cause problems with monster cages?

QUAKE MODDING HELP NEEDED

For some reason my third person model won't spin like the regular model
I cannot discern a possible reason or missing animation or anything like that

Been playing Ultra Crispy with some map packs and just switched to Blood,and man Caleb is a slowboi dont get me wrong he can jump,just cant keep up with the Doomboi

>>5110803
FOUND IT
QF MDL tools has a "rotate" option in object properties
I'll probably be finished tonight

>>5110761
I think that's just something he made happen for his demonstration video, to illustrate. Maybe.

>>5110743
That's Arcane Dimensions, the best Quake map compilation ever

>>5110803
godspeed, ripper

>>5110803
Hey, you’re still at it! Got a question, do the ripped models come UV unwrapped or did you have to do it manually?

Anyone know how to get rid of the atrocious mouse accel in Quake 2? I'm using yagami and dont recall seeing any options get rid of it. I tried googling a fix when I had the same issue with Kingpin (uses the same engine as Q2) and heard some mention of adjusting m_yaw and m_pitch values, but I think I went full brainlet and fucked up since that did't work.
This shit is the only thing stopping me from fragging strogg right now.

>>5110724
I'll show you something to be afraid of...

>>5110857
yes they do, however you have to increase their size by 2 to fit it properly

>>5110879
m_filter?

>>5110879
I never had accel in yamagi, but try this http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

>>5110825
Thankyou very much!

I might be retarded.
How do I use idclev properly in No Rest for the Living? I have nerve.wad loading properly, the first level works when I start the game, but when I try warping to a different level, I get warped to a Doom 2 level.

>>5110761
Fuck me, Phil.

https://streamable.com/zxjan
Quake Champions nailgun mod for Quake

https://pastebin.com/vxSgf4Hr

Test it out my guys!

>>5110917
>>5110919
It turns out that m_filter 0 works. Thanks Gs that's y'all some real niggas.

>>5110994
fuckin sweet.
will you be able to do the same for the remaining weapon skins?

>>5111004
FUCK YEAH I WILL
gonna take a while

>>5111006
I asked you before but never got a reply. could you please get some screenshots of the D2 SSG displayed from the center of the screen?

>>5110716
>try to map
>no inspiration
>no creativity
I used to be good at this bros.

>>5111009
yeah definitely. I need to find the time to set everything up, set up a lighting rig, and figure out what looks best for classic Doom. I could definitely atleast provide the model

>>5110724
Duke Nukem >>>>> Doom

crouching, jumping, swimming, JETPACK, room over room, slopes, better movement, pipebomb, shrinker, devastator, cooler character

Doom has the berserk pak over steroids, the SSG, and the Archvile, that's all. Leveldesign is also hot shit compared to Duke 3D.

>>5111024
cool opinion
i'm sure we haven't heard this before and in no way is getting tiresome

>>5111016
nice! looking forward to it. fantastic job so far my dude.

>>5111013
>try to map
>no inspiration
>no creativity
>go look at someone else's map and change it around a little bit and call it mine

Today I just realized that if Dwayne 'The Rock" Johnson gets elected president, there WILL be a BFG in his Presidential Library.

I hope they make remake heretic like doom 2016 :)

>>5111080
no one knwos who owns the heretic rights so they should just make a new quake SP game starring galena from champs

So I just started building a map and I am working on a room that has a lot more enemies then any other room previous. I did this on purpose to ramp difficulty but I find when I am play testing all I do is open the door and fire at a monster then back out and repeat. It ends up being not that hard, one way to fix it would be to lock the door behind the player to keep him from doing that but I feel like there might be a level design no no or name for this sort of situation that has a more clever design solution

>>5111080
this but for hexen because they could actually work something out with the main three characters that is interesting and engaging, unlike literally doom with magic

>>5110716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cZzRrYrxBI

LOL

>>5111080
they literally can't even if they wanted to, IP shenanigans.

>>5111095
Isn't it all the same lore? Make a heretic game and then make a Hexen game. I just want to fight d'sparil in the new doom engine

>>5111025
fuck off, people are allowed to post their opinions on imageboards

>>5111096
who's this fag?

>>5110979
just kys

>>5110979
No, you aren't. You always have to play through the entire thing unless save at mapstarts. I prefer starting with Canyon of the Dead, that's where the best levels start.

if I override the wad files in BFG edition with the standard ones we all use, does that disable achievements or screw with them or the base game in any way?

so we had HUMP, QUMP, XUMP... when's X2UMP?

>>5111096
>The mod copy and pastes an entire Wikipedia excerpt

Did the author even give credit?

>>5111128
That's strange, but thanks. I just wanted to beat the levels from a pistol start.

>>5111156
There might be a code, but sadly I don't know.

>>5111157
In the worst scenario I'll just IDDQD through the levels and save at the start of each one.

>>5110979
>>5111157
What about "listmaps"?
And the in the console just the usual "map x"

>>5110716
>HEY YOU, PLAY DOOM
no

>>5111171
play blood then

>>5111152
He's Russian, so, no.

>>5111086
Blizzard does.

>>5110740
Needs more senses. Hearing chance by your movement/radius, sight by light level. Dodging projectiles.

>>5110717
New DOOM64 megawad "Beta 64" -- for DOOM 64 EX engine; not GZDoom!

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102849-beta-64-a-29-level-megawad-for-doom64-ex/?tab=comments#comment-1928807

>>5111375
Neat. It's nice to see content coming out for 64EX for a change.

One of the best details from the PS1 port of Doom is Doomguy's new death animation for his face

>>5111135
pls respond

>>5111375

DUDE THATS COOL

>>5110716
Anyone up to speed with this?

>>5110717

Deepdream Doom v1.1 and Deepdream Chex v1.0 is out. https://www.mediafire.com/?z7wrmazotn6ws

Still not happy with it, but it's an improvement over the old version. New textures and shaders and all that. I just don't wanna look at any more dogslugs.

>>5111460
is music and sound affected too?

>>5111461

Sadly no. I couldn't figure out how to "deepdream" sound in a way that wouldn't be even more annoying than the visuals. You need a top of the line GPU for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exXUPJRZKZ0

>>5111461

Sadly no. I couldn't figure out how to "deepdream" sound in a way that wouldn't be even more annoying than the visuals. You need a top of the line GPU for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exXUPJRZKZ0

On second though, I got decent results from vocals a few months ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYdRX1b000 and and the only way to know for sure whether Doom's music will work is to try it. It takes several days to train, though.

>>5111170
>console
Fuck that. Civilised people only play Doom on PC.

>>5111484
...Eh?
Doom has console on PC...
You fuck stupid?

>>5111492
>muh PSX Doom!

>>5111492
He's fuck stupid ~`

>>5111484
>>5111494
Pretending to be this retarded is still retarded.

Any one here played project warlock? I'm trying to but the game stutters often and the mouse movement feels rly unsmooth

Has anyone ever tried to do something like Ape Escape but in Doom, where the player must capture enemies?

>>5111438
Is that the mod made by Mark's girlfriend?

>>5111538
Like HDoom?

I don't think it's nice, you laughin'

>>5110724
Duke? Freeman? Quake Guy? All amateurs, I'm the only serious action hero around here!

>>5111610
[Proceeds to have more enemies than every slaughtermap combined]

i'm looking for some good single player campaigns for Quake aside from AD's

Sometimes during my night shifts, the urges to play quake to numb the constant noise from the servers gets me to the point of freaking out. Only HUH can set me free.

>>5111642
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=episode
Have fun.

>>5111642
So, you gotta play the /vr/ mapsets, those are usually pretty fun and cool.
read the sticky, it'll get you some recs

>>5111593
what's this?

>>5111678
_____________OwO__________

electrocute the water

>>5111678
A Wolf-clone tries to follow a 90's FPS tradition of "killing off" the competition to prove itself superior. But it's not.

>>5111687
How does it detects water? Can it be used on any liquid floor?

Can you pour some water to electrcute later?

>>5110716
Hey, does the last official version of Zdoom support Ketchup Doom Project Brutality, Final Doomer, and Doom Delta?
Also, last I checked the Skulltag forums are not viewable anymore.

>>5111692
The zappers detected common water tiles and bounce and zap around in them making for really zappy zap zap zap

i wish i could make it more flexible than just tile check

>>5111642
Play this.

https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/gotshun-never-released_levels.html

Does Strawberry Doom exist?

>>5111678
"Retro" fps with roguelike garbage to pad the game out.

What are the hottest wads of 2018 bros?

>>5111697
I think I've heard of it

>>5111706
Nothing. It's been a very boring year.
I'm actually waiting for The Unspeakable One's project. Dear god.

>>5111693
it doesn't, gzdoom is the future we didn't choose

>>5111706
Adventures of Square: Episode 2
REKKR
Golden Souls 2
Super MAYhem 17

>>5111717
>adventures of square
Hot Garbage; Omegamatic did it better.
>Rekkr
Also hot garbage, everything feels wrong
>Golden Souls 2
Probably the best so far; though 5 steps forward 4 steps back.
>Super MAYhem
not even may

>>5111720
>Hot Garbage; Omegamatic did it better.
lolwat

>>5111706
>>5111709
>golden souls 2
>diablous ex
>maskim xul
>tangerine nightmare
>alfonzone
>breathless
>sharp things
>quirky domain
>exomoon
>ashes 2063
>avactor
>rekkr
>struggle
>preacher
>freaky panties
>umbra of fate
>magnolia
>adventures of square ep2
>under the freezing sea
>doom slayer chronicles
>demonstary
>perilous cavern
>...
>"ITS BEEN A VERY BORING YEAR"
Really?

>>5111729
most of those are neither new, notable, or interesting, many are hot garbage straight up and if any of them get an undeserved cock award there's going to be a riot.

>>5111720
Well your opinion is atrocious.

>>5111734
At least I don't think everything released ever with the same boring concepts and rehashes we've already seen is good.

>>5111736
>the same boring concepts
It's just what doom it is, dude. This all the same game.

>>5111736
> listed only 4 things
> everything released ever

>>5111737
Again; spitting in the face and chasing off those willing to experiment is why everything is so copypaste same blandness in level design now.

*this is

>>5111538
Mr.Friendly is like Animal Crossing but in DOOM.

>>5111732
i can guarantee you rekkr's going to get a caco and i look forward to seeing you shit your diaper over it

>>5111736
>>5111739
lmao i haven't seen opinions this shitty since memfis

>>5111761
only if you give such a pisspoor mod one.
>every gun feels bad
>every monster is a boring bullet sponge
>wildly inconsistent textures in each theme
>ssg looks like a fucking chaingun and has nonsensical reload?

if it gets a cockaward doom is dead

>>5111739
>and chasing off those willing to experiment
This has literally never happened except for S'arais, who is a special brand of delusional faggot.

Horrible atmosphere.

>>5111764
Bloody revisionist.

>>5111763
>ssg looks like a fucking chaingun and has nonsensical reload?
damn, mod ruined.........

ps: i am willing to bet hard money rekkr will get a caco so you better start preparing your essays about how doom is dead

>>5111765
good post, sure showed them

>>5111732
>there's going to be a riot
>( X ) Doubt

>>5111769
>legitimate complaint dismissed
hi rekkrfag

I wonder (((why))) he's targetting rekkr in particular.

>>5111778
had nothing to do with rekkr, try again ronald mcdonald

>>5111709
I'm waiting for Years to make more of Nihility.

>>5111781
not ronald mcdonald, try again colonel sanders

>>5111781
>Complaining that Rekkr's SSG looks like a Chaingun is not a legitimare complaint, nor has anything to do with Rekkr
Underageb&

>>5111784
>Nihility: Infinite Teeth
>There's no teeth
False advertising I want my time back

>>5111785
This made me giggle since Colonel Sanders is my pet name for Mark.

>>5111785
>t. burger king

>>5111791
>being this fucking incapable of reading
big yikes

Oh golly gee, another thick as pigshit autist is throwing a temper tantrum in the thread
I wonder just WHO this individual is????

>>5111813
good post

>>5111813
Amazing post. Surely we needed such in the thread!

>>5111831
>The redditor is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a faggot, parasite, underage, shitposter, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a redditor and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>5111696
I'm a different anon also looking for quake maps. Thanks for this recommendation - do you have other recommendations for quality maps that are in a q1-style and atmosphere?

>>5111763
Are you vasyan777?

>>5111841
you are the very first mention of reddit in literally the entire thread

Hey mods, you forgot more than a few.
>>5111720
>>5111732
>>5111736
>>5111739
>>5111761
>>5111763
>>5111764
>>5111769
>>5111770
>>5111776
>>5111778
>>5111781
>>5111785
>>5111806
>>5111831

Do anyone here have that "fix'ed" version by an anon of Project MSX?

>>5111870
By fixed you mean no regenerating health?

>>5111869
hey, I'm just fuckin around with fast food restaurant figureheads.

>>5111869
>i dont liek hees opinion where are mods

>>5111860
Negative.

what the fuck is going on in this thread

>>5111892
Newfags and retards.

>>5111892
The same as ever.

>>5111892
A depressed lunatic with a flare for the dramatic has opinions on a 25 year old video game. And this time, he's angry.
Coming to a thread near you.

Why is this happening? I've replaced about every sector in this set of stairs.

>>5111906
God is punishing you for your filter

>>5111908
No dice, chief!

>>5111906
Check to make sure your vertice is on the grid
>>5111908
fuck off shitposter

>>5111912
>shitposter
No, really, explain to me how anisotropic filtering on sprites doesn't look like dogshit.

>>5111912
What do you mean by on the grid?
The one in the East is the one breaking, but the one West is fine and their exactly the same except mirrored.
>>5111917
I'm not using filtered sprites, I'm using 2xBRZ resize. No shit it looks like aids, because you're scaling down a scale-up method when you view it here.

>>5111918
I mean on the grid. Go to 1PX if necessary.

>>5111909
Check your draw segs and look for a tiny sliver segment. Move vertices until it's gone.

Fat nerds fighting over old games

>>5111921
>>5111925
That did it, thanks. Not sure why it only messed up with half the stairs though.

>>5111926
That's the entirety of this board then

Should Doom look like the second picture?

>>5111942
It look hellishly horrifying so I guess it fits the theme?

>>5111945
This can be made if you resize original sprites with Waifu2x, convert tem into flat 3D models format, generate PBR materials with CrazyBump and add dynamic lights.

>>5111952

Jokes aside, Doom's sprites are a weird mixture of photos and pixel art that makes upscaling them nearly impossible, since most tools are designed for one or the other.

>>5111942
it should look like the first just smoother so you can't make out every single pixel.

>>5111929
It's a very common node bug. Don't know why it happened. There's one in ZDCMP2 they missed. Fuck if I'm telling them though after given history.

>>5111973
>ESRGAN
Oh my god it does it right.

How can I make inventory items not overwrite the Mugshot?

Skulltag forums are not viewable by non-staff members anymore! WTF!? And what is this "Wrack!" program from the makers of Skulltag, and what does it do?

>>5111763
There's no way Rekkr isn't getting a Caco.

>>5111973
Jesus, that's a phenomenally good job.

>MiniDoom 2 has Arachnos crawling around blocks
I wonder if this had any bit of inspiration for Eternal

>>5112021
I dunno man but did you see this epic new mod for Doom?? It's called Bru-nah fuck it, too obvious.

>>5111942
>>5111945
looks like a leather car seat

haha oh man fighting the shotgun zombies in doom 3 is so much fun!! haha the way they shove you back 50 feet when they approach you ahah. also how they deal such consistent dmg at such distances... plus lets not forget they figured out how to make the shotgun fire in auto :O they perfectly compliment this games amazingly fluid and engaging combat. :)

>>5111973
That would look like shit if it weren't for everything in that being covered in plant matter

>>5112025
Then our standards have dropped and we might as well give WOW.WAD a "lifetime achievement"

>>5111973
>>5112067
Looking at it again, I retract my statement until further evidence.

I remember someone thinking about a Resident Evil 4 style of inventory system for Doom, but what about Heretic or Hexen?

>>5111706
la tailor girl cause dam bruh she hot :D

>>5112141
am I the only one who fails to find that mod interesting?

>>5111973
>>5112083
Somebody apply this thing to Doom sprites and textures so we can see if it goes somewhere (preferably not off the deep end)

>>5112149
No.

>>5112149
no, I hate blatant fapbait.

>>5112157
Me too.

>>5112149
I guess I can appreciate the spritework. it's decent but not enough to engage me for too long.

Vasyan777 killed 19 and Injured 50 at a Vocational College in Crimea, Russian Officials Say

http://time.com/5426914/student-gunman-crimea-college/

A month ago he made a letsplay video of Doom mod dedicated to Columbine High School massacre in 1999: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWtcP56how

>>5112181
How the fuck would a civilian in Russia be able to acquire the weapons for that?

>>5112186
it's almost as if people can get guns even if they're legally restricted...

>>5112149
>>5112157
I actually find it interesting on the gameplay side more than fanservice side (I've had enough lowrez tits back in the 90's, ty).
The idea of having different altfires and effects bound to your outfit is rather uncommon (for Doom I mean), and the variety of outfits greatly plays in its favour.

>>5112181
Call me dumb, how do we know that's Vasyan777?

>>5112181
>Vasyan777 killed
Source?

>>5112181
[ x ] Doubt, but if that guy really was vasyan it would be a 11/10 meme spree killing.

>>5112074
nah, you're just a fag

>>5112149
It has a pretty novel concept but it suffers from a lot of poor design, there's an overwhelming amount of STUFF in the mod and very little is explained or communicated to the player. Worse still some of the extra modes that can be switched on weapons are done through text, the weapon itself keeps the same look as if it's in the default mode.

I think having a bunch of outfits change how weapons behave and having two (soon to be three) playable characters with unique quirks is ambitious and cool as hell, it just needs a lot of polish and refinement.

>>5112190
I don't think Vasyan777 is smart enough to find and deal with Russia's Black Market.

Vasyan777

>>5112235

Vasyan777 is a Crimea shooter, here's poof.

> Moreover, the guy did not play any computer shooters, but specific games.

> - You know, there are such modifications where you have to play for Dylan or Eric (arrows from Columbine - ed.) And shoot schools. On the page on the social network, he posted footage from the film about those events, and on the avatar in Steam (gaming site - ed.) He had a photo of Dylan.

Google translated from https://www.kp.ru/daily/26896/3940895/

Vasyan777 has a moth old video of columbine wad played with his mod. Also he didn't post on Russian thread since these events happened. However he usually was always active there.

This is his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWtcP56how

>>5111973
>>5112150
yeah where the heck is the program/plugin for this

Something i find interesting about old school FPS and Doom clones is that thay have certain design elements and ideas, that are also present in a lot of other games from different genres.
>Relying on health, ammo, pick ups etc
>Level design and exploration
>Weapon/enemy variety
>Boss fights
>Power ups
>Some times, inventory items
>Movement focus, maybe a bit of platforming too
>Maybe stuff like life systems or score numbers
>Just the setting being creative or unrealistic, but most of the time not that complicated
And a game like Doom 4 and its upcoming sequel sort of make this obvious.
It makes me wonder if it's why some people wouldn't mind putting Doomguy next to the likes or Mario or Dante and why there's crossover mods/fangames/fanart/anything and "out of genre" experiments.
It's probably because, compared to modern military shooters, they feel "gamey", both in terms of gameplay and their settings.

>>5112301
Old school FPS games feel like an arcade game. I'm probably not the only one who has this sentiment.

>>5112306
Even when Doom dropped the life/score systems from Wolfenstein 3D, you'd still end almost every level with a screen showing how many kills/secrets/items you got and the time spent in those levels.

>>5111845
Unfortunately not really. That mapset just nails the original feel; the guy who made it really understood OG Quake's design philosophy and made something really cool. I wish more mappers returned to this style. I love this expansion and I'm glad you like it, too.

Anyway I can also recommend Soul of Evil. It's not like OG Quake but it's really great. It has an incredibly sinister/evil/satanic feel and is very immersive/atmospheric, while also having very good gameplay. Check it out for sure if you haven't already.

>>5112310
I never liked those screens really, not all items and monsters are equal to each other, id rather have gotten more points for killing a baron or cyber than a lost soul. And getting a megasphere is much more important and powerful than getting a light amp visor.
Percentage screens suck, they should've had a points system for each category. And some Secrets are potentially more important than others too, id be okay with secrets having points to them.
> I been playing since '95, always felt this way pretty much too

>>5112316
Knowing Eternal is using some sort of life system and the Arcade mode, i wonder what they could do with more arcadey elements.

>>5112301
That's literally same for any action titles because that's the basic gameplay elements for a good game.
How you use them and mix together is different issue.

A rather major thing about GOOD oldschool FPS - level design. Good oldschool FPS map is a "Place" where things going on. It has distinct areas that are interconnected in a non-linear way even if you can't access all the paths at once. You start off with only part of the "place" being accessible, and at the end you have the whole place accessible by exploring it and finding way to unlock new areas (switches, keys).

It's the same principle of exploration, as in Metroid games / Metroidvanias and it's baffling to me that many people don't see the connection. For me, Doom scratches the same "exploration" itch Metroidvanias do.

OLDER shooters like Wolf and Blake Stone are not places, but mazes where there are no areas that are distinct enough. They are much more deserving of a nickname "Mazeshooter" than Doom which gets called that some times.

Newer shooters take the exploration aspect out of the equation by putting numerous points of no-return, and moving the player from setpiece to setpiece in a linear fashion. Thus, they remove the massive ammount of enjoyement that was to be gained from fruitfully exploring the environment - and that satisfaction from fruitful and meaningful exploration is gone completely.

newDoom is middling in that regard, idiosyncratic even, some times giving you ability to explore the paths, but also often locking you in and putting no-return points. As if developers didn't really get that part of the oldschool formula

>>5110716
If GZDoom or ZDoom ever got successfully forked after Graf either ragequits permanently or an heroes, what should it be called? KA-BOOM? Shazam? YDoom? AMDOOM? BlitzDOOM?

>>5112327
FGZDoom. Fuck Graf Zahl Doom.

For the first time since I was a wee little baby fucking around on DOOM 1 on an uncles' computer, I've installed DOOM 1 & 2 as a grown adult and am ready to experience what I've been missing. Wish me luck, /vr/

>>5112324
yeah in newer shooters its all actually one huge place thats put together in pieces, and they try to keep the story moving along with points of no return
> even old school Fallout had Places, separated by a world travel map
> modern Fallout does not have Places, its literally one huge place, and its an annoying Pita to move between destinations because it stretches out how long it takes to get anything satisfying done and get conclusions on quests.
mfw The Glow was definitely a Place like something right outta silent hill and you had to prepare for that mofo before even stepping foot into the map square
> stop just short of going in The Glow, open up random desert tile map to pop several pills of Rad-X, go to exit grid
> step just over the world map square into The Glow, satisfaction at not immediately taking a shitload of rads, I can definitely do this
> oh shit I forgot to bring a Rope!

>>5112327
>>5112329
fund it, ill donate

>>5112347
We'll have to make double sure it's not a Vasyan in disguise

>>5112350
>>5112342
speaking of which I wonder why its so hard to find games with truly awful, nasty, gritty, actually-dangerous looking map scenery in them these days

This takes me back

>>5111973
LINEAR
ALL
DAY
LONG

>>5112383
Hey, someone 3Dprinted a save icon!

>>5110720
Hey, whoever did the Tricky Trio map. I got around to playing it. It was funny. But apparently unbeatable? So uh. No?

Project Warlock has cool artstyle, but the gameplay is really bad.

>>5112439
>look it up expecting a mod
>it’s a full game
>”retro styled fps”
I see

>>5112439
It's a Zoomer game that wants to look like a Boomer game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmojjg8IO1M

>>5112218
On top of all that the weapons are also kind of hard to differentiate and the names aren't very descriptive making it sort of difficult to tell which is which in the outfit descriptions for what they affect.

>>5112469
the only good part of quake 4 was the crouchsliding, prove me wrong

>>5112451
How the fuck does this kid find the time to develop a game at 19?

When I was that age I was (and still am) buried in college work for my EE/CompE degree. I've got the skill but no time or energy for modding or game development at the end of the day...

lmao
https://youtu.be/UicIltPNKdU

>>5112439
Aside from disliking the upgrade system I've got no real issues with the gameplay, what's bothering you? I'm happy that the starting melee weapons are actually reasonably useful, been using the axe almost exclusively.

>>5112439
>look up screenies
>everything is just flat wolfenstein shit
Why? You're right on the artstyle, but everything is so flat. Wool Ball got away with this by being free, but I'm not going to pay 12 USD for something that even Chasm: The Rift did better.

>>5112484
It uses basic Unity framework to the max.
Also it was not he, who made literally all of the assets, he just put them all together in the Unity which does not take much skill. The assets, textures, music etc. were made by a decently sized team.

Besides Threre are very few frames per enemy, absolutely no rotations (estimated ~300 frames total), 6-8 textures per level theme (~140 total, including variations), and all that is very low res. One guy would've been able to do that in a few months without trying too hard, if he didnt have any other occupation.


>>5112530
Because whoever did this does not really get the oldschool formula, going for the surface level instead of understanding what made old games work so well and going from there. This is the case with absolute most "retro-inspired" attempts.

So far only Ion Maiden seems to be a proper modern oldschool style shooter, DUSK and AmidEvil close behind - they have quite a few flaws, but still decent attempts.

>>5112439
>>5112502
>>5112530
>Retro shooter inspired by Doom!
>It's a low-effort Wolf clone instead.
>Runs worse than nuDoom
Every goddamn time.

>>5112549
This. The fact that I have like 20 FPS on a modern system in a game with that kind of graphics is saying something. And for the love of everything holy and sacred, why do people insist on using Unity, god fucking dammit.

>>5112550
They could've done everything this game does on GZDoom with even less effort
And it wouldve ran great
what a shame

>tfw GGGPleb is praising this shit

>>5110720
Played Time2Crate now too, after my tablet pc dying and recharging it. Pretty simple, but p fun none the less. Would be pretty easy if you were carrying weapons over, so might be best suited for an earlier map.

>>5112549
>>5112550
>>5112556
While unity is indeed pretty damn garbage I've had no performance issues with the little I've played of warlock.
My pc is 4 years old and was mid-range when I built it, and I get stutters in GZDoom sometimes, so I feel like saying making it in GZDoom would be better is a bit hyperbolic.

>>5112572
That's the thing with Unity, there is a cutoff point beyond which it runs like ass, and only a bit better machine will see major improvement.
40-50 fps in Warlock, 60+ on nuDoom (high settings), 250+fps in GZDoom and ~130-160 in laggy ass mods like Russian Overkill or BD

Even in rare ocasions Warlock did hit 50-60, it still felt really choppy like it was actually doing 30 fps. And then there was weirdness where my FPS fall dramatically if I hit a wall with an axe - it would dip down to 15-20 for a moment, freeze up, then resume playing, but all inputs/actions in that freeze-frame preserved so it felt like a weird form of teleport.

>>5112413
>unbeatable
git gud

>>5112583
The exit straight closes on you from the starting teleporter out. There is no trigger to open it.

>>5111765
Like the old time.

>>5112589
you're too slow

>>5112597
go collect rings, dumbo

>>5112597
ok

>>5110979
I will absolutely not leave someone who want to pistol start hanging. IDCLEV works perfectly in PRBoom. Are you having problems in GZDoom?

>>5110979
>>5112604
I see what your problem is now if you're using GZ. Nerve doesn't use "MAP" for its levels because it's a distinct "episode" from Doom 2. All of its maps are LEVEL instead, which is not idclev-able. Pull down the console with ~ and type in "map levelXX" for the level you want go to.

>>5112597
CHILI DOGS

>>5112329
fagz doom

>>5111942
Only if there are floor decals too

>>5112689
><FAgZ>GrafZahl: stop bullying me ok

>>5111909
good job making your Doom look as ugly as possible

>>5112702
It's 2xBRZ, anon, not lowpoly. You can calm your autism.

>>5112703
lowpoly looks better than that

demo to prove tricky trio is beatable

https://www3.zippyshare.com/d/PpG56mGR/13278/tricky_trio.lmp

>>5112703
It still looks all ugly and soapy.

>>5111438
Is that the synthwave music replacer for Doom, the synthwave inspired level / megawad that's being made, or a new gameplay mod?

>>5112150

You were warned.

>>5112261

It's a pain in the ass to set up. Instructions for Windows are here, Linux is pretty similar. https://pastebin.com/HLDxy6ma

letsenhance.io uses similar tech, but you can only upload 20 pics for free before paying them.

>>5112742
That looks awful. Dunno what I expected.

>>5112150

You were warned. It was trained on downscaled photographs, and anything outside of that (like phone camera pics or 256 color art) tends to look like shit.

>>5112261

It's a pain in the ass to set up. Instructions for Windows are here, Linux is pretty similar. https://pastebin.com/HLDxy6ma

letsenhance.io uses similar tech, but you can only upload 20 pics for free before paying them.

>>5112734
I disagree. It's a nice balance of smoothing out crunchy pixels on a 1920x1080 display without becoming overly stylized.

>>5111871
As in it works perfectly on "modern" GZ Doom.

An anon is working on updating it and has shown off some crazy looking special effects, like an energy shield that surrounds a monster and flashes visible at the point of impact when it blocks an incoming' hit.

>>5111870
I don't think he's released it yet.

I wasn't happy with the yellow gadget so I'm trying out some other colors here.

>>5112074
>completely rebuild Doom as a new game with new sprites, new textures, new enemies, all in vanilla
>use vanilla features to make pseudo-3d illusions
>art style is consistent, enemy designs are creepy as fuck
>levels are pretty fun

But please tell me more about how it doesn't deserve to be recognised with an award because the SSG has a rotating barrel and the rune launcher is shit.

>>5112781
I pick C

I just kinda realized, couldn't your map technically lose some points in certain invidual's mapping contest due to his own incompetence at the game?

>>5112784
Yes. All mapping is subjective, to an extent.

>>5112781
A or C
B is too contrasting and D blends with the hand

>>5112784
Ah yes, the ol' "My maps are PERFECT! People just don't UNDERSTAND!"

>>5112781
I didn't mind the yellow, the top blue part looks weird now though.

>>5112306
>>5112310
Rise Of The Triad is the most arcadey of all FPS, playing like a mutant between the First Person Shooter, and the Shoot-Em-Up sidescroller.

>>5112795
Better?

>>5112813
I think so! It doesn't look like a flat blue surface now. not sure what the white border is though.

>>5112817
Glass, my friend draws in a far sharper style than me. I might need to thin this a little.

>>5112784
Joel? Nah. At least he's reasonable and knows when it's his own fault.
Like, in the first contest he was really bad at the Xasers wad (Dead.Air), but still gave it a second place.

>>5112481
It has best campaign of all quake games

>>5112886
the campaign's only fun with sikkmod + quake 2 everything
even then, crouchsliding is the only reason it isn't worse than quake 2 in every way

Placing the flames on this chandelier was tedious but worth it.

>>5112383
PLEASEBEJOKINGPLEASEBEJOKINGPLEASEBEJOKING

>>5112849
Not to mention he asks the dev if he's doing something wrong whenever he finds an impasse.

I want to map build for Blood.

Spoonfeed me.

>>5112936
is that a model or are you an absolute madman?

So...
Blood has Death Wish.
Quake has Arcane Dimensions.
What does Doom have?
And Duke?
And Heretic, Hexen?

>>5110716
tnt.wad > doom2.wad

>>5112995
what criteria are you looking for here

>>5112995
Doom has hundreds of wads.
Duke has AMC TC, Furever 2013, Plus
Heretic and Hexen get the shaft, sadly

>>5112995
>What does Doom have?
TNT

>And Duke?
Duke it out in D.C.

>And Heretic, Hexen?
>

>>5113006
>Duke it out in D.C.
Caribbean is FAR superior.

>>5113001
Well yeah, but Quake also has a bunch of stuff.
I meant like what would be the one huge awesome wad that always get recommended?
You know? Like what would be Doom's counterpart of Arcane Dimensions?

>>5113023
That's the thing, Doom has a whole fucking lot. Read the damn OP.

>>5112983
It's a model, i'm not that crazy :P

Quick! Use Hydropump!

>>5113026
I know. I just wonder what would be the one.

> Read the damn OP.
I'm not a newfag.

>>5111375
Not really new - its been on the Doom64EX forums for years. Seems Antnee only just made a thread on DW though.

Quite a few other Doom64EX mapsets here if you're interested in that kind of thing:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/doom64ex/wads-and-mods-f3/

>>5110994
i think you should keep the original nail firing sound, the new one from QC is meh

>>5112936
that's a nice rivalva

>>5111942
only wall and doodad textures works well, monsters on the other hand are a complete clusterfuck as >>5111973 stated

or you upscale them by scratch by paying attention on the details as hidfan is doing on Doomowrld atm
>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99021-doom2-neural-upscale-2x/
or you do a complete 1;1 remake of the original monsters and port them back as sprites as the dudes on Wing Commander CIC are doing with Wing Commander 1 Ships and Assets
>pic

>>5113067
>Using Howard Day's Models
Perfect choice

So things have been going well (aside from a constantly low-feeling sense of muse and motivation to do much of anything.) Only got roughly 2 monsters to do, a weapon to finish and some odds and ends to tinker on until the "base" mod has been ""completed"". Which makes me feel kinda glad.

>>5110716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmPLrpGSos

>>5113076
i like that target health bar
does it vanish instantly, or does it linger for a moment if you look away?

>>5113079
old news mang

any news regarding the BURL TUMD update?

>>5110716

>At least another 6 months before Ion Maiden is released
Kill me

>>5112716
You can still get stuck in the map, and the player doesn't even know they're timed.

>Mario had question mark blocks
>Sonic has televisions
>Crash has wooden boxes
>Castlevania has candles
What does Doom have, the Plutonia map 06 cube?

>>5113014
I liked DC a lot more as a kid. Haven't played either in a long time though.

>>5113156

>You now remember the third level of Nuclear Winter

>>5113156
Doom has secrets.

>>5113156
icon of sin spawn cubes, so pretty much the plutonia map 06 cube yeah.

>>5113156
what, like things you run into frequently that you attack to get small items out of?
the zombies?
zombiemen especially
they are just very complex clip pickups

>>5113169
>Doom Eternal
>VEGA corrupts IOS, so he gives away helpfull items

>>5113171
> get telefragged by a megasphere

Beated Nihilanth.What a chore,this boss was insufferable not because it was hard but because it's tedious. The last part of Half Life besides certain parts in Xen it really decreases in quality

>>5113173
I agree.

>>5113110
It goes away near immediately.

>>5113173
They spend a lot of time doing all sorts of cool shit to make Xen feel unique and fun, but then scrapped 90% of it, and the leftovers can still be seen.
Check out this guy's vids (beside the one im linking): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izT5i2nFY-w&t=1s

>>5113039
I'd hydropump her.

>>5113173
I wonder how the Black Mesa devs are approaching Xen. Surely all this time wasn't just spent on art passes?

>>5113163
UNF

>>5113197

>>5113183
I think Xen surely looks cool but certain parts like the platforming were really difficult.
Yes,the game has platforming but here was taken to the extreme.
But for me pretty much the last part of Half-Life even pre-Xen was pretty meh.but overall it's still an awesome game.

It's like Doom 2,where the last part it's pretty bad but there it was slowly decreasing in quality,here it's great for 90% of it and then BOOM,mediocre.

Nihilanth was a cool concept but poorly executed,which is a shame because the game is really polished.

>>5113214
I liked all of HL. Just throwing my opinion out there. Never really grated me.

Is it just me or 3 different sound effects were reused in Duke3D from Doom only from Mancubi?

>one part of recog. sound became Octabrain recog. sound
>the other part became a chain door sound used in Death row and other maps
>part of the dying sound became another door sound used in Fusion station and other alien maps

>>5113220
Would you consider Half Life the final evolution of retro FPS games?

>>5113239
Wasn't Bobby Prince on both games?

Speaking of HL,do you know how to open the console with Xash 3D?

>>5113240
Uh. Maybe? It was the last thing that got aped hardcore, though most games don't really feel like it anymore. They do the mostly linear, in-game cutscene thing, but lack any of the magic or mystery. Deus Ex is still being aped today though, if you consider that retro.
NOLF did a lot of different mission-to-mission stylings that games like COD knowlingly or unknowlingly expand on. I guess GoldenEye was an earlier example of that though.
I dunno. Weird question.

>>5113258
I would imagine just ~
You might have to put -console in your command line or something.

guys, this is my first retro thread ive participated in and ive been playing quake champions for a while now and I picked up quake 1 and I was wondering if anyone knew how to make maps?

>>5113275
yes but these threads tend to be populated by cuntbags

>>5113239
They used the same sound library that was popular at that time (don't remember the exact name). There was plenty of sounds there that got reused everywhere, like Doom door and elevator sounds and so on, including in some TV programs.

>>5113240
Not really. HL, while retains some of its oldschool roots, is too linear (there are very few non-linear places) , with numerous point-of-no-return instances, and no real "exploration" as >>5112324 described it. The player is fairly strictly guided through a sequence of setpieces, which is a design principle taken by hard by the modern FPS and developed further in MoH, Halo and CoD. It was the game that paved the way for the new, "directed experience" wave, that took far more control from the player than prior FPS did.

IMO the last true oldschool FPS was Unreal, though some consider RTCW to be one (It's fairly close to HL IMO so its kinda on the verge between oldschool and new)

>>5113290
as long as I get the information I want to get to making maps I dont mind some cunts

>>5113303
Haven't done any quake mapping since like 1999, but iirc trenchbroom is the program you want. I would download that and start dicking around.

>>5113348
ok thanks

i need some music and maps to play Shut Up And Bleed
shit is too good

>>5113156
I just remembered Duke Nukem 1 had boxes like that too, that show up in Reelism.

>>5113293
There were less known ones. undying comes to mind.

Holy shit, speaking of FPS and old games, can you imagine if these games had time limits?

>>5113361
I'd be more helpful if I could. Maybe if you asked about Unreal mapping.

>>5113368
Undying is linear+cinematic as well. Freedom of exploration there was illusory.
Wheel of time was so-so.

>>5113198
>199hp
>think you're gonna come back at the end of the map to top off or get a good health boost
>forget about soing that and just finish the level and only remember on the time screen

>>5113374
You were free to explore and back track and go down the wrong hallway. It was an all roads lead to Rome scenario, but so is unreal, or doom. You're free to take whatever path you want, but the destination is the same.

>>5113370
Someone would probably make a wad that uses the par time as the timer and you die once you hit zero.

>>5113370

If id were British devs they'd probably would have done it. They loved their unnecessary time limits.

>>5113262
What do you mean by "aped"?

>>5112936
to be quite desu the resolution of that models textures really stands out (in a bad way) from the rest of the world

>>5113293
Half life is still better than a lot of these old school shooters like unreal and especially garbage like marathon.

>>5113472
no way, fag

>>5113478
Marathon exposes the flaws of maze design

>>5113490
But Unreal follows oldschool formula better than Half-Life. Half-Life is one step too much into the modern zone.

>>5113370
Imagine if the par in Doom was the time limit

>>5112995
Death Wish and AD are so damn overrated. They're good, but there's many equally good and even better mapsets for both games in existence. But they're the only ones that ever get attention from the general populace.

>>5113504
Half life is better than unreal . Doesn't matter it's old school or not. i bet you think rainbow six and operation flashpoint are bad.

>>5113370
>>5113415
Scythe 2 has a map that does that with voodoo doll scripting

>>5113490
>Marathon exposes the flaws of maze design
And Marathon is not like Doom or Duke Nukem

>>5113513

>>5113240 >Would you consider Half Life the final evolution of retro FPS

the question was never "which one is the better game".

>>5110716
There needs to be a Heretic, DOOM1, or Doom 2 WAD where there are 2 or more possible endings.

>>5113527
So, you either
a) kill all the demons
and
b) kill all the demons
that's a hard choice to make.

>>5113529
How about Heretic then?

>>5113535
a) kill all
and
b) kill all
with addition of "be angry elf"

>>5113541
a)kill all
b) lose to final boss
and
c) become a gargoyle.

>>5113554
>lose to final boss for alternate ending
this is the worst way to do things

I was going through my Doom folder and found one of my many unfinished levels. The premise for this one was that you would fight your way through this factory/skyscraper and end on the roof, however I scraped this one for being too similar to the one level I did manage to finish.

Need to figure out how to create and spawn an object to continuously spill blood.

>>5113580
Just... Make an object that constantly spills blood?
And also limit the bloods existence time to 5-6 seconds (new spilled blood would replace old) or it will eat up all of the performance.

>>5113526
It came before 2000 its retro

>>5113587

You got me, I just couldn't think of anything better to say.

>>5113589
but is it oldschool?

>>5113594
yes just like system shock and deus ex and rainbow six.
Not my problem all you know about level design is mazes.

>>5113604
But then Halo is oldschool too.
You go from location to location, stuff happens around you as you go
you can explore for some hidden items
its basically same shit with a different skin and few altered mechanics

>>5113508
So what you're saying is... If Blood has Death Wish and Quake has AD...
Then Doom has Brutal Doom!

>>5113617
You mean PRODOOMER V3

>>5112936
The gun seems to be aiming a bit too far to the left or she is holding it a bit crooked

I know the sword has this issue as well

Playing Doom is based and redpilled

>>5113612
SEETHING DOOMBABY

>>5113626
No its cringe and bluepilled

>>5113626
>>5113628
It's ascended and bogpilled.

>>5113627
CRINGE

>>5113661
>cruelpastry
>equallycruel
huh.

>>5113663
Who's cruelpastry?

>>5113665
guy behind the daisy pics

Petersen's levels suck

>>5113665

imagine maps of chaos but from doom 64 and final doom

>>5113674
Now put a dildo under her

>>5113275
Check Dumptruck's Trenchbroom 2 tutorials. They are really helpful if you're planning to start mapping for Quake 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA&list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE

>>5113674
holy shit, UNF.

>>5113696
thank you good sir

>>5113696
Hold on. Here's a full playlist. I blame youtube's shitty linking

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE

>>5113705
awesome thank you

>>5113576
Going through pictures of unfinished/scrapped projects is always fun.

>>5113513
>Half life is better than unreal
Wrong and irrelevant.

>Just noticed the water ceilings in E3M3
Anyway, is there anyway to make PrBoom plus' automap have red and yellow lines, like in normal Doom?

>>5113728
No, its better

https://web.archive.org/web/20131202231526/http://www.dcasali.com/games%20-%20finaldoom.html
Apparently, Plutonia's story has a bit of time travelling

Project Warlock is nice looking and fun to play. It's a good game. Prove me wrong.

Reposting, because sla/v/ have good taste.

>>5113728
Unreal is kind of boring compared to HL1, though i'd take ut99 multiplayer over HLDM any day.

>>5113786
Man, if only that were a /vr/ oriented list instead of being 95% non retro.

>>5113798
Man, if only your dad pulled out.

>>5113758
WHAT TO EXPECT FROM PLUTONIA:
* The most exciting, ferocious, non-stop Doom action available.
* Extensive use of all-new Raytraced 3d textures
* Strategic monster placement
* Fiendishly evil traps
* Tasteful use of special effects never before seen from other authors
* Immacculate attention to detail, asthaetics and lighting
* No texture misalignment
* Pioneering architectural design on all levels.
* All music taken from Doom1 to suit the mood of each level
* Demos showing some of the best players in the world
* Specially themed levels to enhance the feeling of realism
* Special attention paid to multiplayer modes - some levels have been specially adapted for deathmatches.
* Brilliant new skies
* New graphics

>>5113786
>Max Payne 3 above Max Payne 2
fucking dropped

>>5113809
It's not a rating

>>5113786
>XCOM:EU but no UFO:EU
>no mech games
>no Diablo 1

Mods on 4chan are just furious, jesus christ

>>5113814
What was it then?

>>5113826
damn, if only there was another board to talk about not-retro games

>>5113827
List

http://www.wolfensteingoodies.com/archives/olddoom/manuals/Final_Doom_-_Manual_-_PC.pdf
Apparently, Doomguy also owned a pick up truck
Finally, we know what he can drive if he ever stars in a racing game

>>5113835
Damn. Someone really should break the Doomkart curse. Get TerminusEst13 on it after golf.

>>5113875

I'd raced around with Eric a couple times on the hoverbike mod, but I don't think I could get the thing to behave well in Zandronum at all.
I'd probably just add another chapter to the curse.

>>5113674

>>5113674
>>5113894

I feel like this might be one of Doom's weirdest textures ever.
It looks like somebody dropped a bunch of rocks and blocks on the floor, took a picture of it and made it a wall texture.
Unless the blocks are supposed to give an impression of the walls itself having a strange look because of it, so i guess it's fitting in some way.

>>5113914
Weirder than FIREBLU?

>>5113885
What about after GZDoom gets client/server MP? Same issues apply?

>>5113914
I was never in love with that texture, but I don't hate it either.

>>5113914
Pretty sure I had a shirt with a similar texture.