/vr/ - Retro Games

>>504419
Its made by byuu a cool SNES enthusiast that developed fmv for the snes

It's a great emulator with the misfortune of being written by a complete tool.

If you use it rather than RetroArch and its bsnes core /vr/ starts throwing it's shit around like a pack of monkeys.

>>505005
>complete tool.
Don't forget statutory rapist, too. Allegedly.

it's bsnes plus unfinished nes and gb emulation

My emu of choice, then again I never got the hype for Retroarch. Really buggy for me.

Does anyone know how to get the SNES Mouse working for this thing? I've been wanting to play Mario Paint and can't get the thing to respond.

>>505005
>>505014
>byuu
>rapist
What? any source? He's a cool guy, programs, collects SNES games, is programmer, loves japanese, no gfan

>>505031
Aren't there a couple other cores in there, too?

>>505014
>statutory rape
>an awful thing
Aside from that...
>>505005
>>504975
There's really no reason bringing the author into it. Discuss the emulator, leave it at that.

>>504419
It's accurate, but it takes power.
If you have the power, feel free to use it.
If not, you can use SNES9x (except in the few cases you can't).
zsnes is still hanging on, good for older rom hacks, but please don't use it for general emulation.

I hear there are alternatives.

>>505054
No source here, but someone will no doubt be along with the story before the thread's through.

He's no doubt an incredibly talented guy. He may be full-autist, but he's the autist the SNES community needs.

>>505014

Not that any of this really matters, but are you confusing byuu with SonicTweaker?

>>505082

He's gay, you know. Do you mean gay statutory rapist?

>have sex with 15 year old girlfriend
>suddenly in the same category as actual rapists

America is stupid.

>>505082
http://byuu.org/articles/assembler-is-a-scammer
he can wrek fagets

>>505014
I refuse to believe that someone like him can even get laid

I like it ok

>>505118
How old is byuu?

>>505014

You're trying awfully hard to slander someone over the Internet for petty reasons.

>>504419

bsnes is the only thing worth using in higan. Everything else use something else.

For everything else use:

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Emulators

>>505115
Mudlard, stop.

>>504419
>i havent really kept up with the world of emulation, used bsnes a year or so ago, and just recently saw that it was changed/compiled into this new program. havent downloaded it yet, just curious on what the general consensus is regarding it

>>>/Emulation General/
>>>/vg/32666863

>>505402

>being angry enough to sage

>>505115
>>506807
>>505402
>>505346
>>505310
>>505118
>>505115
>>505082
>>505057
>>505054

>drama about programmers
>on a board about video games

>>505039
>My emu of choice, then again I never got the hype for Retroarch. Really buggy for me.

It's very much beta. But when it works, it just works. It also takes some getting used to. Do you have Win64? There's a Win64 setup that's mostly already set up, so it should be easier to use.

http://www.mediafire.com/?p9rppxfenrzwxht

OP here, thanks for the feedback everyone. i downloaded it last night. gonna use it for SNES only i guess.

>>506824
>not realizing I said the same thing
It is relevant to videogames, because we're talking about emulation, but at the same time, who someone is should not stop you from using their program.

>>507117

You can use the bsnes cores in Retroarch. I find it easier to use than Higan.

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/RetroArch

And you can also get bsnes standalone before higan.

>>507612

>Personal drama is relevant to games in any way shape or form

>>507612

This is some /v/-tier thinking. byuu's personal life, be he a rapist, a homosexual, or a homosexual rapist, is not fucking relevant to the program at hand. At all. I don't know where discussions of potentially homosexual rapist emulator programmers goes, but it sure as fuck doesn't belong here.

>>507637
>>507624
By chain, it is related to video games.
It should not be discussed here.
How hard is it to see what I am saying?

Drop it. Talk about the emulator separate of its author.

Is that really not clear in my posts?

>>507646

Get out of here with your stupid fucking semantics. No one cares.

>>507649
Apparently people do.
Why is it such a problem when I agree with you, though?

>>507646
>By chain, it is related to video games.

>>507646
hello how can i into english

>>507686
What, it's really that bad?

>>507680
Association.

>>507704
>What, it's really that bad?
You're trying to fit syntax workings from some other language into English. It doesn't quite mesh since English is the language of peasants. Every time you form a sentence, try to make it sound dumb with next to no lexicon at all. Also, try to absorb as much set phrases as you can from people speaking american from media like videos etc. You'll be more likely to fool people.

>>507778
The sad part is, it's my first language.
I guess I'll have to take what you said into consideration.

>>507778
>durr hurr durr I like my stilted language and awkward sentence structures communication is about how much fluff you can throw in not about making it easy to understand

>>506818
The makes no sense, what does anger have to do with sageing or not? It's not a downvote tard.

>>507778
>pedantry on an anonymous imageboard with little to no standards.

>>505014
>byuu
>rapist

zsnesfags are actually this fucking mad, my fucking sides

>>504419
So what's the difference between that and bsnes? Does it support other systems?

Does it support the Mega Drive? That community is in desperate need of its own Byuu; even the ROM dumps are messy.

>>508560
bsnes originally emulated only SNES.
Later they added support for NES, GB etc, so they felt the need to rename it.

The emulator is now "higan" while the snes core inside higan is still called bsnes

its a great emulator in my opinion, i like it a lot

Pic Related: A much better emulator and the author of this one isn't a complete piece of shit

>>508676
No, ZNES is really inaccurate.

>>508676
i used this when i was like 15

>>508676
It's a sad day when I have to post this on /vr/.

Best SNES emulator out there, accuracy wise.
Mednafen uses bsnes, I use mednafen.

>>508685
>caring about inaccuracies over such trivial nonsense

>>508676
>dat UI
>dat accuracy

Do you want an emulator that can gild and varnish the classic gems of ROMs you play

Or......?

Do you want a perfect hardware emulator that is a carbon copy of the chips and boards from antiquity?

Multiple sprite slow down included...

Its all about the experience you want

>>508560
Genesis Plus works well enough.

Oh god not Emulation Wars again.

Get this shit out of here.

I wish there was a byuu for every system out there. The world would be a better place. The guy is awesome. Of course, that means this board has to hate him for some made up reason. He doesn't give a fuck about what people want, he'll keep working to recreate the SNES.

how does this look? i posted another screenshot on /vg/s emu general and got yelled at because of that blur filter higan uses, is this more snes looking? what am i missing? other than my native resolution and the stretch obviously but i feel that is convenient

>>504419
It's really the same exact thing as BSNES, because you only want to use the SNES part of it only.

Don't bother with the other parts of Higan, they're all shit. Literally every other emulator that handles the other parts does it better.

>>508789
I go by the old saying of "like what they make, not who they are."

So far we have NEStopia, Genesis Plus GX, and BSNES on that sort of accuracy focus. There's someone working on a Cycle Exact N64 I hear, but it's still waaaaay in beta.

>>508789
There's the guy making CEN64.

Personally I used zsnes and gens on my laptop

I'm still toying with emulators on my android tablet

Using supergnes lite for a mess around, but no save states in the lite/free version
However none of the messing around with folders, it just finds them

>>508785
There's really nothing wrong with that.

Some people hate big pixels.

Some people hate running SNES games in 4:3.

Honestly, I don't care. SNES games look great in 8:7, they look great in 4:3, they look great pixellated, and they look great with a CRT filter. Pick what makes you happy.

Most other filters (hqx) look like liquid ass, and SNES games look like complete trash stretched to 16:9.

>>508789

No one hates byuu. People hate retarded emulation arguments, particularly those started by people who, for some reason, give a fuck what anyone else is doing.

>>508805
>Android
You should really give Retroarch a spin, it sets up even easier than the PC stuff, and it's full featured for free. Keep in mind that the GUI is a little shitty though and it doesn't use frameskip.

>>508624
Is the implementation of those emulators as accurate as bsnes emulator?

>>508829
good to know, another good thing about higan is that it runs star fox and doom, it worked like ass on snes9x for me

>>508860
No.
Gambatte for GB is more accurate.

>>508676
>zsnesfags still buttmauled by byuu's hard cock of technological progress

>>508848
Downloading NOW

>>508741
The issue here extends far beyond just getting the games themselves working.

>>508829
>Some people hate running SNES games in 4:3.
But nobody's TV ran in 8:7 or kept the aspect ratio, everything was made to run on 4:3

>>508848
Not him but I tried it, it ran slow even on singlecored emus on my dual-core and I gave up messing with the refresh rate. Not quite up to my phone I suppose. I do use though, SNES9x EX+ and the .emu stuff sideloaded of course, who pays for an emulator that is originally free?

It's really neat how android has a huge amount of options, even if they're all based on a common source for a lot of it. Everyone can find an emulator that's fit for them.

>>508813
Gambatte is pretty close for Game Boy accuracy

>>508886

I think you missed his point entirely. He's talking about what people like, not what people experienced.

>>508894
Whoops, how did I forget that?

I really wish we'd get a GBA emulator equivalent to Gambatte. They all seem to fuckup somewhere in the audio section.

I wish there was an accurate or simply WORKING N64 emulator.

All existing ones are pure shit.

>>508909
Mednafen is as close as you're going to get.
It uses VisualBoyAdvance as its base though if you've had issues with that.

>>508785
>>508829

Don't play on an LCD screen. It makes the pixels look so big and everything so jaggy. God created CRT tvs for a reason. It can display the game at native resolution. Get a flashcart, use a Wii, or even buy the original game and play it on the original hardware.

Failing that, a CRT monitor at 480p is acceptable.

Motion is another big drawback, and you can only get really smooth CRT like motion on 120hz monitors with hacks:
http://www.techngaming.com/home/guide/tips/updated-eliminate-motion-blur-while-gaming-with-nvidia-lightboost-r485

>>508935
See
>>508804
>>508813
http://www.emutalk.net/threads/54131

Alternatively, I understand that MESS does alright in the accuracy department, but runs like ass...

>>508951
>what are filters

>>508785
>and got yelled at because of that blur filter higan uses

Bilinear?

>>508959
yeah, that one

>>508963
By the way, the only good well-known filter is hq4x.

>>508947
I know about CEN64, but currently it doesn't even play roms.

>>508896

People can like whatever they want. But they should realize that Emulation is 100% artificial. The actual hardware outputs at 8:7, which is fed into a CRT tv which displays it at 4:3.

>>508970
So have some patience. If you're that desperate for some accurate N64 play, get a console and a flash cart.

>>508935
I used mupen but I find project64 is a damn sight
Better

>>508971
>yeah, that one

I don't like bilinear. It might have even been me that said that. Images look really crisp on a CRT monitor. That's why I don't like these blur filters, like bilinear. Or even CRT Geom. It's trying to fix the big jaggy pixels that are created by scaling the image x4 for an LCD screen. It's just a mess.

>>508963

Filters are nowhere near as good. One day when display technology improves, we might get better shaders. But right now they're too blurry, or have too strong scanlines, or etc.

>>508829

Most people who play on emulators are kids who never played the original hardware. Their opinions are invalid.

>>508993
yeah well it looked better without it, so thanks
>>508951
i do have a working snes but games are very expensive for me because i can´t get them locally and ordering over the internet goes way higher because im not in the us/europe, i also have a friend that hates emulators it breaks my heart

>>508974
I love you. I argued with some nutcase about this and he kept blabbering stuff about SNES rendering non-square pixels while in reality it's the CRT TV doing the stretching. I'm still mad.

>>509010
>Most people who play on emulators are kids who never played the original hardware.

Citation needed.

>>509010
>Most people who play on emulators are kids who never played the original hardware.
Im 27, well you said most not all, so its alright

>>509026

A Wii is a great, pretty cheap middle ground. Soft-modding is easy. The Virtual console has a lot of games, and you can put emulators on it. The system can output at 240p, which is great. And you can easily hook this up to a CRT tv.

A wii should be cheap as hell. This would be the best, easiest, and cheapest option.

Second would be a CRT monitor at 480p. Everyone's phasing out these monitors, so they're easy to get a hold of one cheap.

>>509036
You have three years to avoid wizard status, anon

>>509035
>>509036

It is statistically true. Most aren't old enough to have experienced the original releases.

>>509058

Your stats are pulled out of your ass. Let's take that 27 year old Anon as an example. Are you really going to pretend he wasn't old enough to have played NES/SNES/Genesis games? C'mon with that shit, son.

http://www.emutalk.net/threads/54131-Announcement-Cycle-accurate-N64-development-underway

Nintendo 64, all the accuracy, none of the autism.

>>509065
Sure he's old enough to remember the SNES era. I never said he wasn't.

>>508951
>480p is acceptable
No, 480p is not acceptable. You want 480i, which the consoles run in 240p by sending all fields with the same polarity (that is the cause of scanlines).

>>509065

Sure, 27 year old. But what about the vast, vast majority of people who emulate?

>>509058
if you are posting on 4chan without breaking rule 2, then as an objective fact, only pre-SNES games would be covered by this rule

>>509093
Once you get a girl and lose your V-card, you have to leave 4chan forever

>>509056
LOLwut

>>509075

So why are you pulling these awful stats out of your ass? I emulate older systems all the time, some of which I no longer own. It's also cheaper and easier to download ROMs instead of buying shit off ebay.

What makes you think this is an especially rare case? One of my older friends plays shit on emulators now because he had to get rid of his stuff and he now has frameskip for his RPGs.

>>509090
>No, 480p is not acceptable. You want 480i, which the consoles run in 240p by sending all fields with the same polarity (that is the cause of scanlines).

Expand on this please. I'm pretty ignorant on display technology. I love hearing this sort of thing.

My understanding is that 480p would just be scaling the game x2, which is much more tolerable.

Why do people get so bent out of shape about making sure the experience is "perfect"? It's one thing to do that for yourself, it's another thing entirely to whine incessantly about others not doing it. Let's face it, barely anything important is lost or changed no matter how you display or emulate the game, the core elements of the game are all still present, it's just fucking pointless and pedantic to whinge and argue about it.

>>509084

Where are you getting your "vast majority" numbers from?

>>509095
oldfag here, i lost my virginity a long time ago, im sorry guys. i also lost my snes and games, most of my game boy games (not my yellow play it loud GB), my famicom and games and my sega and games a long time ago too

>>509116

>Why do people get so bent out of shape about making sure the experience is "perfect"?

People want what's best. I think SD games should be displayed on SD displays.

>Let's face it, barely anything important is lost or changed no matter how you display or emulate the game

But that's wrong. Zsnes for instance has awful sound emulation. That's just one really obvious example.

>>509116

Take your sense-making ass out of here. This is 4chan. We don't like rational thinkers here.

>>509132
>oldfag here, i lost my virginity a long time ago, im sorry guys

Does making it with a Konata plushie count?

>>509116
>it's just fucking pointless and pedantic to whinge and argue about it.

Some sense to that. But there is a lot of people who are utterly clueless when it comes to emulation, and they repeat things that are simply not true. There's a real need for simple, easy to read guides and FAQs for emulation.

>>509139
i hope so

>>509145
What would the FAQs be? What would the guides be about?

>>509139
Fuck man why does everyone think there's no normal socially adjusted people on 4chan and we're all freaks who live in our mom's basement at 30 and draw Sonic porn

>>509135
The sound being fucked up in ZSNES is one thing, moaning about getting the right ratio and output with perfect cables and the right television really is just pointless though and won't dramatically improve the experience unless that specific experience is what you're after.

>>509180
It's just a safe assumption to make for the most part. 4chan is 80% manchildren.

>>509180
People here like to project themselves onto every person who posts here. It's why you get so much "stop liking what I don't like" here.

On that note, the Spread gun is overrated. It's not even that good after Super C.

>>509212
>>Oh hey that's where the hackers come from, right?
i really hate this one

>>509180
Because the first thing a person thinks when they hear "4chan" is either:
>/v/
>/b/
>Oh hey that's where the hackers come from, right?

Polite sage for offtopic.

>>509194
Yeh good point. It's hilarious when said 30 yo manchildren go Nuh uh I have a six-figure salary and a wife and kids!

>>509161
>What would the FAQs be? What would the guides be about?

/vg/ has started something.
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Emulation_General_Wiki

It's super, super bare bones and basic right now. I want it to eventually have nice guides explaining different display technologies, listing all the filters/shaders and what they do, etc. The Recommended Emulators list is pretty good though.

>>509213
The saddest part is that some of them really do.

>>509197
>People here like to project themselves onto every person who posts here

Like, for instance the guy you're talking to

>>509184

Some people strive for perfection. Others are okay with less than perfection, which is okay. But people should at least understand the differences between all the options. For instance, NTSC-RGB (or equivalent) are the best kind of cables that produce the clearest image for a console.

>>509220

He's not really projecting, though. He's just saying not everyone fits into a mold here.

I usually turn off Tails when playing Sonic 2.

>>509219
And then they play a game of "Find the snake in Daddy's pants" and end up being par-tay v&

>>509230
>>509219
>>509213
>>509197
>>509180

>>509107
I don't know what the heck is polarity, but I know CRT TVs run at 480i (interlacing odd and even lines), and you can achieve progressive scan by only sending stuff to one of both so it doesn't interlace.

Moot is a faggot who's trying to bring Facebook/Tumblr users into here since deep down he's always hated the pedo/shitposting/leejunfag culture of the site and wants us to be like those places.

>>509245
what does this have to do with emulators

>>509243
Field polarity as in odd or even fields.

>>509245
No anon this isn't /q/. This is /vr/, we're a bunch of autistic manchildren who talk about old video games, not a bunch of autistic manchildren who whine about 4chan and moot.

>>509240
Normally this off-topic stuff would be deleted, but the janitor appears to have taken off for the weekend.

What do you autist think of no$?

Is he cool? Are his emulators cool?

>>509290
No and no.

>>509290
Desmune>>>>>no$gba
If it runs slow get the JIT version.

>>509280
Don't blame him. Poor bastard has the world's shittiest job. He deserves a break now and then.

>>509297
Why not?

>>509290
the only thing i don´t like to emulate are handhelds, they don´t feel right on my opinion

>>509309
But he's the best!

>>509290
>What do you autist think of no$?
>Is he cool? Are his emulators cool?

No, his emulators are low quality. Ignore them. In that test the NES one rates very low.
http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/NESAccuracyTests.html

I've seen some defenses of his emulators that very similiarly worded or word-for-word the same. Could be no$ guy himself.

>>509309

No one forced him to make emulators. If you're going to make them, then you should do them properly.

>>509332
I don't think our janitor makes emulators

>>509280
I'm not worried. The board is still ok at the moment and unless shitposting reaches critical levels, we're fine.

>>509331
>>509309
We really did get a good janny though who clears out all kinds of shit. As /vr/ has been lately, that's pretty much like one man against an army or something.

>>508951
>>509010
>>attempt to reconcile the two arguing sides and say that both are ok
>NO IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. MY WAY IS THE ONLY CORRECT WAY. YOU MUST BUY A CRT. IF YOU DON'T, FUCK OFF AND DON'T PLAY ANY RETRO GAMES EVER.

stay autistic

>>509290
He's hella cool. He devoloped a fuckton of emulators (GBA/DS/SNES being the most accurate as far as I know, while he has a long way to go on PSX) and he doesn't actually have a social life, unlike byuu as far as I know. Still, he builds emulators to run on toaster's so yeah, he's cool. But bsnes is always the better option.

>>509348
The only problem is that it hasn't clicked with a lot of /vr/ users that they can and should just ignore shitposts, not reply to them. Even if someone is being serious, it's better to let them just be a moron then to start replying and make a thread turn to 50 posts of annoyance and garbage.

>>509290
He's a faggot who makes shitty emulators no one uses and charges for them, and gets butthurt when people pirate them. He even puts DRM in his emulators.

People who use emulators sometimes pirate software!? Gasp! Shock! What a twist!

The only reason anyone gives a shit about him is because he made the first working DS emulator. Now DesMume is better, so there's no reason to use any of his software ever.

>>509350

Go away /v/

>>509372
That doesn't mean DeSmuME is good. Have you seen its source code? Jesus christ, i have never seen such a tremendous clusterfuck of hacks and trickery.

I don't know how it even manages to run games, or let alone have a working GUI for fucks' sake.

>>509361
He's not cool at all. He's a jew and his emulators are shitty.

also
>byuu
>social life
>anime avatar
>supposedly spends time on /a/
>autismal

>>509383
Go away no$.

>>509383
I don't dispute anything you said. DesMume is still better than no$hit.

Just get a DS flash cart and the point is moot anyway.

>>509361

>GBA

VBA-M is better

>DS

DesuMe is better.

>SNES

Bsnes and Snes9x are better.

>>509383

No$ is even worse though. It's a speedhack emulator. It's been eclipsed. No$ emulators are just a historical footnote.

>>509342
>Janitor Emulator
Someone make this.

>>509372
This brings up another topic: people who charge for emulators. Does this automatically make the dev a faggot? Funny thing is that the emulators you pay for are typically not as great as others, such as the case with MagicEngine.

>>509372
>Look at me! I'm a liar!

http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm

Then debug tools are useless now because no one gives a fuck about making GBA games today. And you don't need the latest version for GBA accuracy. And he even redirects you to other emulators.

>>509404
>>509396
>>509390
Quit being so jumpy, all i said is just that DeSmuME and No$ is like comparing a shit taken by a king and a shit taken by a peasant.

>>509405
>people who charge for emulators. Does this automatically make the dev a faggot?
Yes. If you're programming something that's going to be used for technically illegal purposes, you have no place charging any amount of money for it. The PJ64 dev team took it to a whole other level what with charging for access to beta versions, especially when those beta versions were WORSE than the public release.

Accepting optional donations is perfectly fine. Putting a limitation on access to any part of your emulator by way of payment is instant "fuck you" tier for the dev team.

>>509417
Er... which parts of that page contradict which parts of my post?

Jesus Christ. Can't you at least try, no$defenseforce?

>>509405
>Janitor Emulator
>Emulator
More like a LoZ hack where you only have the wooden sword, and the sword is a mop.

>>509442
I'm actually kind of surprised none of those types have gotten C&D notices yet.

>>509442
I'm happy to pay for a quality product. I'm happy to pay for something I like if it will help it get even better.

DRMing your software, harassing people who pirate your software, and having a meltdown because people pirate your software are all signs of a grade-A faggot who shouldn't be in software development at all, let alone make emulators.

Apart from Magic Engine (which I pirated, lol) I've never used a paid emulator that was worth a shit.

>>509464
>no$defenseforce

I believe it's the actual no$ guy himself. No one uses his shitty emulators.

>>509464

http://nocash.emubase.de/no$gba-w.zip

Does it look like you're paying for it? You only pay 2$ to download the latest version which adds jack shit to GBA while improves performance on 3D stuff on the DS, but you're already using Desmume so what's the point? All other emulators save for GB are free of charge. And he's not running slow of them.

>>509507
>I-I don't... I mean, h-he doesn't charge for ALL of his emulators!

Why would I pay $2, or any sum of money for that matter, for "improved 3D performance" on your shitty emulator when I have DesMume and flash carts?

Why should I pay for your fucking Game Boy emulator when there are faster, more accurate, and more feature-rich free ones?

Get back to me when any of your emulators are worth a shit.

G-g-uys there's iDeaS

http://ciacin.site90.com/ideas.php

Byuu i-is also planning on emulating the DS

Why captcha

Why

>>509507

If you keep this up no$, your sites will be added to the spam filter.

>>509549
>Why would I pay $2, or any sum of money for that matter, for "improved 3D performance" on your shitty emulator when I have DesMume and flash carts?

That's the cool thing, you don't have to.

>Why should I pay for your fucking Game Boy emulator when there are faster, more accurate, and more feature-rich free ones?

http://nocash.emubase.de/gmb.htm

I was wrong about the gameboy part, apparently he only charges for GBC emulation, while the GB/SGB is free. The features are pretty neat but I recall VBA also had them.

Why he's charging stuff it's written right in front of you. You're free not to register, I didn't because I use VBA. Thank you kind sir.

>>509592
>Why is that man selling bags of shit for $2?
>YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT
>I'm not planning on buying it, I just want to know—
>YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT

>>509618
>Why he's charging stuff it's written right in front of you.

He apparently lives with his parents borrowing money from them since he doesn't have a job and spends his life at home programming emulators. Cut the sad fucker a break. His emulators (specifically PSX one, although it's inaccurate as it gets) were actually useful to me since the disassembler is integrated right off the bat and the VRAM viewer isn't a load of fuck like in psxfin that has to be snapshotted and then read by some other chinese program.

You can also run stuff on the actual hardware without flash cards. How about that?

>>509684
>You can also run stuff on the actual hardware without flash cards. How about that?

You can buy video games? I didn't know that.

As I said above, I have no problem paying for good products.

>He apparently lives with his parents borrowing money from them since he doesn't have a job and spends his life at home programming emulators. Cut the sad fucker a break.

Okay, I'll go and buy his emulators right now, even though I'll never use them. After all, it's my fault he lives with his parents.

>>509875
>ad hominem
>strawman
>implications
>exploiting my words

>>>/v/
>>>/out/

>>509913
>telling me to go to /v/
>>>/b/

>>509571
It'll be shit. Everything he does outside of SNES is quite bad.

>closed-source emulators

Oh you use ZSNES? Oh ok, what do you use for NES emulation then? NESticle?

>>510043
None of the other cores in Higan have anywhere close to as much progress as bsnes. The only one that's even partially done is the NES core. The DS core isn't even being developed by him specifically, as I understood it. It's someone else's core that's being used in Higan, and it's barely out of alpha state.

>>510086
seriously bro, that stupid joke is just not funny.

>>510086
Yes

I like it, it has a nice feel to it.

>>508676
If you're going to use an innacurate but fast emulator might as well go with snes9x
There really is no reason to use zsnes anymore

>>509468
Janitor Man: The Cleaning

>>509442
I like the RetroArch guys because they actively refuse monetary donations. They do accept hardware donations, however, since they want to port RetroArch to everything made under the sun, but they can only port stuff to hardware they own.

>>510072
>>closed-source emulators

That's the beauty of Open Source.

Don't like how byuu's handling HIgan? Port the bsnes cores to something else.

>>510816
Shit like Dolphin only really took off after it became Open Source.

The other side of the spectrum is DeSmuME

>>510816

The guy's a dick. Although I applaud the quality of his work, I despise his Apple-like insistence on file format hegemony and his refusal to work with filters to any real extent. That last thing is pretty much enough to make me never fuck around with his stuff.

>>510901
>Apple-like
Funny thing about that

http://byuu.org/articles/apple

>>510917

I've read the article. Doesn't make his autistic campaign against legacy formats any less oppressive.

>>510931
Personally, I feel his idea with sfc was decent, and not too harsh. I don't get the idea of the new folder setup, though I haven't taken the time to look at it. If he's planning to use it to store art and manuals with the ROMs, it makes more sense, but... I'm not him.

>>510980
The folder thing makes sense because with the way he's going about handling the rom data, there's multiple different files for each game and having them all in a single root directory would make it a headache. Having each game in its own folder means that any files relating to that game (including saves, patches, and other stuff) can all be in one spot.

>>511202
This is the approach MAME takes (well, archives, not folders) and it's important if you want to actually preserve games. Each ROM chip gets a separate dump in its own file, and the emulator has the information about how the hardware connected it all. MAME is run as a historical archive, not a gaming platform. I'm assuming byuu takes his work equally seriously.

>>505054
The guy is a massive pretentious douche of like Phil Fish levels who has to have everyone do things his way. He even requires you to solve an algebra problem to join the forums. Granted, it's not a difficult question, but that's the kind of ass he is.

>>510901
His folder-based file format actually makes sense, though. It captures the elements of the cartridge and ROM as files and folders.

And putting the SRAM together with the cartridge is the best idea anyone's ever had in the SNES emulation community. Still, it's so elementary.

You just have to know your shit and think about it.

>>511225
He does take it equally seriously. That's why I respect him.

not really sure how people are comparing it to mame. unless theres a snes master list loaded in xml now

>>511863
His aims are compatible with those of the MAME project. And there's no reason there couldn't be one.

>>511872
uhh that doesn't really tell me anything. whats he trying to do mame-like with higan?

>>511908
Preserve the aspects of SNES gaming that go beyond the games themselves. By correctly emulating the hardware, he doesn't just get accuracy, he also preserves knowledge of how the hardware actually worked, which is valuable because the hardware will one day cease to exist.

I also believe he spent tons of donated money acquiring, studying and redumping the games himself. He also scanned the boxes, art and manuals.

>>511945
while i applaud him taking the time to make the emulation perfect, its not going to stay if it can't run on low end specs. zsnes/snes9x are fine enough for most gamers, and snes9x gets ported to almost everything

>>512013
zsnes is actually just shit that's written in assembly, and obsolete assembly at that, and hasn't moved even the slightest bit forward in years.

Snes9x is good, and bsnes is better. Use either. Choice is good. Byuu's efforts are utterly respectable, good and necessary. But zsnes monopoly because people are ignorant is the worst atrocity.

Jesus /vr/ you're all starting to sound like someone I know.
/v/ who the fuck else
Cut the personal shit on whoever made the software and discuss why or why not someone should use said emulator based on how well it runs etc etc. Keep it classy /vr/others we're better than all that.

>>512108
Hey, byuu made it personal. Let me NOT use cartridge folders, and let me use zipped roms. It's not that fucking hard.

>>512128
>waah

Fuck accuracy. I just want to play SNES and NES games without any of the original slowdown and flickering I had to deal with as a kid. Is this possible?

>>512176
Snes9x.

I hate playing video games on a PC/laptop, I'd rather play on a console the way god intended. That's why I use the snes powerpak. As an added bonus, there's no nonsense about emulation to worry about. Of course the powerpak isn't very popular with the unemployed basement-dwelling crowd because it costs money).

>>512128

You ignore the cartridge folder and just use "import rom" over and over. And are zips really necessary for 2MB SNES ROMs? If you don't like the way he does things, don't use his software, it's not like he's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use it.

Either way, there's also RetroArch that lets you do both things you want.

>>511764
Sounds like you got the wrong impression. He was trying to get people to move on from using certain outdated tools and formats due to the limitations they carry, but he kind of stopped trying when he realized people hate change and would rather do things that way even if that way is non-optimal.

The Algebra problem thing was to keep spambots out, and there was also a lot of problems with mudlord ban evading constantly.

So... how accurate is "bnes" a.k.a the NES emulator in higan? Better than Nestopia?

>>513410
Only marginally better than FCEUX and lagging quite a bit behind Nestopia, according to TASVideos: http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/NESAccuracyTests.html

If you're looking for the most accurate NES emulator, according to that link, it's called "puNES". I did a bit of research (and by that I mean I googled it) and it seems it's developed by a single hobbyist programmer and is currently proprietary. byuu posted in his thread, for what it's worth:

http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6928

>>505057
>>zsnes, please don't use for general emulation
Go fuck yourself off a cliff, seaweed. ZSNES is old as fuck and still the best emulator.

>>513445

Please. SNES9x surpassed it years ago.

>>513426
Any ETA on FHorse open-sourcing puNES?

Anyway, this is a wake-up call for me. I thought for years that Nestopia was the most accurate period, and now I learn about this *and* I learn that Nestopia hasn't been maintained since 2008.

>>513468
Actually, it is now under development by a new team. It goes by Nestopia Undead.

>>513468

Actually, Nestopia has picked up by some else and updated

http://0ldsk00l.ca/nestopia.html

>>513468
Actually, thanks to the beauty of open source (or free software, if you prefer), Nestopia has been "revived" by someone who wishes to add to Martin Freij's work. The new guy calls his fork "Nestopia Undead": http://0ldsk00l.ca/nestopia.html

But addressing your original point, I thought it was common knowledge that even Nintendulator was more accurate than Nestopia, dude. Have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years?

>>513471
>>513473
>>513481
Woah. Nice. The Linux GUI looks fucking awesome now.

>>513426
Is there an "Accuracy Test" page like that for the other systems? Obviously we don't need one for the SNES since it's obvious which one is the most accurate, but what about N64/GB/GBC/GBA/NDS etc?

>>513513
Alas, seems like it's just the NES and the Game Boy:

http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/GBAccuracyTests.html

>>513529
Gambatte/BizHawk huh? Never even heard of them.

Why are the most accurate emulators the most obscure? Why don't more people care about this stuff as much as you, /vr/?

>>513529

It's because blargg released an extensive test suite for those two systems.

>>513541
From what I understand, BizHawk is more for developing, debugging, and TASing, not so much for general use. Gambatte isn't obscure, it's just that everyone just uses Visualboy Advance because it works with everything and "just werks".

>>513541

Gambatte's not that obscure, it's been included with RetroArch since before they renamed SSNES to RetroArch.

>>513556

It's being developed by the TAS community to replace all of the standalone rerecording emulators by merging several accurate emulators into one cohesive UI, with extensive debugging and TAS tools. It uses the most accurate emulator for each system, and it's NES emulator is unique to Bizhawk.

>>509025
Keep crying, bitch nigga.

The fact remains that when displayed on a CRT NTSC TV the pixels are non-square. If you are emulating on a computer with a monitor with square pixels you have to correct for that to get the correct image. Or use a CRT monitor that can display the native resolution.

>>512013
>its not going to stay if it can't run on low end specs
Do you know what technological advancement is? In the world of emulation, it is not important to make your emulator able to be run on anything from more than 6 years ago, max. All that does is severely hinder your emulator's capacity to do what it's supposed to do, which is emulate the system. In a few years, whatever few people that are left still using a computer from pre-2006 will have either upgraded or been left in the dust by the constantly shifting standards of the computer world.

Byuu has the right idea. You do your emulation the best possible way you can and say fuck you to anyone trying to run it on a toaster from 2003.

>>504419
If anything, it's gotten slightly better, as it makes the rom import easier. (no longer needs an external tool)

However, personally I prefer to use RetroArch with the bsnes/Higan core these days instead - allows using the same emulation core (and thus accuracy) while loading roms directly from .sfc files, or even the shitty old .smc files byuu hates so much.

lol what

>>513445
>ZSNES is old as fuck and still the best emulator.

>>513410
>So... how accurate is "bnes" a.k.a the NES emulator in higan? Better than Nestopia?

Not good. As we say, the only thing worth using in Higan is bsnes.

>>512176
>I just want to play SNES and NES games without any of the original slowdown and flickering I had to deal with as a kid.

That's a specific kind of enhancement. You can have high degree of accuracy, while also having that. For NES, this option is called No Sprite limit, and most emulators, such as Nestopia use them. I think it only has some issues with a few games.

>>512176
>Fuck accuracy. I just want to play SNES and NES games without any of the original slowdown and flickering I had to deal with as a kid. Is this possible?

Accuracy isn't some abstract concept. Accuracy means its closer to the original system. Which increases compatibility with games. You can have enhancements.

No Sprite Limit for NES games removes flickering sprites.

Over clocking SFX chip. Massively increases the fps of 3D SFX games, such as Star Fox. I only believe that the Snes9x core in Retroarch can do that. And not released publically yet. You can find a copy of it in win64 here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?p9rppxfenrzwxht

>>516401
Plus, the only reason NES/GB/GBC/GBA/DS emulation was even added was because they had instruction sets that were similar to the SNES's coprocessors, in an attempt to emulate them better by learning more about them. It's the reason why byuu doesn't care about NES/GB/GBC/GBA/DS emulation bug reports, as far as individual games on those consoles go. bsnes will always be the main focus in higan.

>>513586
Uh oh, here we go again...

>>516436
The Snes9x-Next core already has an overclock option implemented. But yeah, you need a separate core for vanilla Snes9x.

>>504419

wut's higan

>>509421
> like comparing a shit taken by a king and a shit taken by a peasant.
What a shitty metaphor.

>>504419

>>autism

Inspired by talk on this board, I installed higan a few weeks ago, and futzed around with it, and futzed around with it, and futzed around with it, and finally got tired of futzing with it and went back to snes9x so I could actually play some games.

I can't imagine that it's enough better to be worth jumping through all the hoops that byuu expects me to jump through just to use it. I'm not autistic enough to care about ultimately insignificant "accuracy" differences - I just want to play the games.

I haven't touched Zsnes or Snes9x since installing Higan. The accuracy is near perfect (running balanced) though I have found a few games it does not support. Though I am thinking that it may be my roms that are to blame since I and using an old set that I have had for years. Like I can't get simple stuff like Super Mario Kart or Pilot Wings to work. And is there any support for Snes mouse or Super Scope? If there is I couldn't figure out how to get it to work.

tldr: its a great emulator but still needs more work to be perfect.

>>526013
I believe games that used a special chip need dumps of the chips included so they work.

http://www.mediafire.com/?2sn65shwz8p1a7g

Try those out.

Higan is complete shit.

>Having to import the roms that you already have in your roms subfolder
>You can't change the directory they're imported to

Fuck higan, just use bsnes v88. It's the last version of bsnes and higan doesn't improve the SNES emulation anyway since bsnes v88 is already 100% compatible with every licensed SNES game.

>>526095
You'll be able to change the directory in higan 093, and the reason you have to import them is to change them into the "game folder" format that it uses.

>>526114
Which is retarded.

I agree with byuu's attempts at emulation accuracy. I do not agree with his insistence on design that runs counter to every other emulator just because it wants to be a special snowflake. My ROMs are already converted to .sfc, and I should therefore be able to place them wherever I'd like to load them from. Byuu can eat a dick if he doesn't like it.

>>526157
Per byuu's website (http://byuu.org/misc/about/):

>"I am an unorthodox programmer [...] Rather than focusing on standards and compatibility, I prefer minimalist and optimal technical solutions. If I can make a better wheel, I will happily reinvent it."

This is how he works. He doesn't do things differently to be a "special snowflake", he does things differently (and only does them differently) if it's more logical to do so. Headerless SFC files were a great idea and innovation, and I'm glad you at least agree with that. Game folders are the next step up. It's a 1:1 mapping from cartridges to folders, and makes more sense in terms of computing. Plus, the end-user doesn't even have to worry about it. Library -> Import Game each time and to them, it works just the same as Snes9x for all they know.

>>526201
>Game folders are the next step up.

I'm out of the loop. What is that? What does that mean?

>>525959

The accuracy is fine. The annoying extra stuff is divisive. That's why I use Retroarch bsnes cores.

>>526056
>http://www.mediafire.com/?2sn65shwz8p1a7g
Much appreciated.
Do I just dump it in the rom folder?

>>526210
Here you go, he puts it in words much better than I: http://web.archive.org/web/20130116020745/http://byuu.org/bsnes/game-folders

In case you're too lazy to read all of that, he basically made it so that higan converts your .smc or .sfc SNES games into folders. So for example, if you have the game "Super Mario World.smc", higan converts it to a folder named "Super Mario World.sfc", and inside the folder you'll see a program.rom file (the game itself), a save.ram file (save data), a bsnes subfolder with savestates inside, and a manifest.bml file that holds the ROM data.

This is opposed to other emulators who store cheats, save RAM and savestates in "cheats", "saves", and "savestates" folders in the emulator folder.

>>526265
It's easy to jump on the .sfc bandwagon, but I have yet to find anyone who REALLY likes the new game folder format. It's not very intuitive.

Also, is byuu a weeaboo? Why didn't he make the "purified" file format .snes instead of .sfc?

>>510086
Nestopia, why?

>>526409
He was mocking you. ZSNES' equivalent in NES emulators is NESticle, due to the fact that both are extremely outdated and inaccurate.

>>526442
>equivalent in NES emulators is NESticle

That's actually wrong. ZSNES made it a lot farther along in SNES emulation than Nesticle made it in NES emulation.

>>526442
I understand this. Sarcasm doesn't work well on the Internet. I can't be bothered to download another emulator though, I don't care about 100 percent accuracy as long as the games work.

>>526157
It's not retarded. It's objectively better and how everything should have been from the start. You're just buttmad because change. You can eat ZSNES' dick if you don't want to use the superior format.

>>527118
Oh shit, here comes the bsnes IDF again.

It's okay to criticize some of byuu's decisions, you know. Not all of us are on his cock 24/7 like you are. Game Folders are an objectively unintuitive and confusing format that only makes things on byuu's end easier. Get over it.

>>526095

you're an idiot

you can open roms from anywhere

>>527132
>lel bsnes defense force IS HEAR
>byuu isn't perfect you know
>because we're totally talking about byuu, and not at all about the ROM format he introduced
>his cock is delicious
>game folders are totally different from files
>despite the fact that they're just as easily copied or moved and can be treated in pretty much the same way, AND it gives you seamless access to the logical contents of the cartridge it's supposed to represent as well as metadata segregated by emulator, instead of organizing data in terms file segments and memory offsets
>I am totally not a zsnes-using delusional buttmad retarded faggot who's afraid of change

Educate yourself.

>>527178

That's a lot of strawmen

>>527201
Yeah, you didn't make nor back up any actual points so I couldn't argue directly. I wanted to insert an explanation somewhere, so I chose to do it in a way which exacerbated your stupidity.

>>527225

That wasn't even my post, yo. You're 0 for 2. You should probably quit while you're behind.

>>527225
so... you saw some shitty arguments so you decided to respond with shitty arguments yourself instead of just ignoring it?

polite sage

>>527253
>respond with shitty arguments

I didn't make an argument. Learn what an argument is. If you're that same guy, you're 0 for 3 now.

>>527262
no, I'm not the same guy as anybody. I'm a little embarrassed, so I'm sorry I responded at all to be honest, but yeah you win probably

>>527298

Nah I don't. Wrong person.

>>527253
it's flawless logic, to his credit

I thought "Game Folders are an objectively unintuitive and confusing format that only makes things on byuu's end easier" a decent argument, for what it's worth

>>527201
>>527225
>>527242
>>527253
>>527262
>>527298
>>527307

This emulator can't even scale to a power of 4 accurately. I thought this emulator was made for accuracy?

Is it really that difficult to take one pixel and multiply it by 4?

>>527253
Nothing is wrong with my explanation. Maybe you have a problem with how I chose to present the argument: yeah, whatever. Here's a non-greentext version.

Retard says it's unintuitive, I debunk the argument saying you can basically treat the folder as if it was a regular .sfc file. You aren't going to do direct manipulation on the ROM data itself, so how the ROM data is actually stored matters little to the 99% of you. And even if you were, byuu's format would prove itself superior once again by precisely capturing cartridge contents as files.

Retard says it's confusing, I debunk the argument by saying you can safely ignore the contents of the folder and never actually venture inside at all, treating it as a regular file. Here's an additional trivia: this is precisely how programs install themselves in windows.

Retard says it's only making things easier on byuu's end, I debunk it by saying that stuff like SRAM gets stored on the game folder, which means your save goes with you if you move the cartridge. Emulator metadata is also stored there, so that means your save states will move with the cartridge as well. This means you can take you ROM from computer to computer and have it just work.

The only possible valid complaint about byuu's format that you might possibly have that doesn't make you look like a completely retarded zsnes-using faggot on this board is that it doesn't work in all emulators. Because they're all stupid. No, backwards compatibility isn't stupid, but being backwards-compatible doesn't mean the older systems aren't stupid; they're still fucking retarded, and since we're talking about byuu now, yes, I respect him for introducing much-needed change.

>>527262
You're so desperate you can't even keep track of who's replying to whom anymore. It's really sad.

>>527308
>a decent argument

You're hopeless.

>>527391
What the hell do you even mean by that?

>>527403
>>527391
I believe he's talking about hq4x. higan has no support for it

>>527502
No, the game doesn't scale well on LCD monitors because it doesn't scale to an integer.

>>527403

>This means you can take you ROM from computer to computer and have it just work.

Um. You can do this with any other emulator.

>>527534
By copying the .sfc file? Think harder.

>>527539

No, I meant by taking the necessary files with you. Why don't you think harder?

>>527516
Uh, but it does.

I don't use higan, though. I just run the bsnes core through RetroArch.

>>527568
Not for me it isn't.

>>527539
Just to clear up any possible confusions due to stupidity:

When I said "it would just work" I didn't mean just the game. I meant:

>the game
>the game's SRAM
>the various emulators' save states and whatever other game-related functions/data

>>527549
>it's easier to copy multiple folders in many places with multiple possibly-conflicting game and emulator-related files than a single folder
>it's better to have game srams segregated by emulator

Stop proving yourself retarded.

>>527585
You have to set it to center. However, I haven't tried it with NES games, so no clue how it works with that, although using higan for anything but SNES is full retard.

>>527586
First off, provided you use an emulator in the same line, that will still work.

Second, I never said it was easier. I said it was possible. Stop proving yourself illiterate.

>>527568
>>527585
>wrong aspect ratio
>unfiltered

>>527607
>unfiltered

Who cares

>>527607
Like I said, I don't use higan. I use RetroArch, and there I always set it to 4:3 with a CRT shader. I was just letting the guy know that higan is capable of integer scaling.

>>527568
fixed

>>527601
There we go. Centered is scaling to an integer.

>>527597
I said it was impossible to simply move the game and everything associated with it by simply copying the .sfc file, which is something game folders allow.

You said it was possible if you manually copied the necessary, separately-stored, potentially-conflicting game and emulator-related data along with it.

I went along with it and destroyed your useless arguments, despite the fact you just proved yourself wrong.

You try to turn this into an "it's possible, but needlessly harder and retarded" argument rather than uselessly continuing the "I think it's easier because I'm a total idiot" argument, thus successfully proving to everyone here that you are a butthurt retard in maximum damage control mode.

>>527613
My eyes care.

>>527670

Except I never made any of the arguments in the first place. There are more people in this thread than you and I. I was simply pointing out it was possible.

You tried to make yourself look smart and fell right on your damn face.

>>527761
Surely, what you posted initially didn't constitute an argument since you didn't actually back up anything, but that doesn't mean it can't be argued against. It just means it's stupid. Make no mistake, it's actually a lot easier to argue against vague uninformed affirmations than well-constructed arguments. You could have at least given me a fun time like so many others have.

You'd still have lot the argument.

>>527804
No, what I initially posted wasn't an argument because I'm not the only person here. Someone else posted that.

You are not very intelligent.

>>527817
Regardless of who posted the initial message, you are also part of the argument and steering it to increasingly retarded routes. Thanks for telling me your fact-less opinion. Now fuck off and go play on your zsnes.

>>527863

Swing and a miss. Also I love that ZSNES dig at the end. At no point did I ever clue you in or imply what emulator I used. Protip: It's not ZSNES.

>>526360
If he was a weeaboo (which he is), why would he make the format go from .smc (super magicom) to .snes (western console name) rather than .sfc (super famicom, the name of the actual japanese console)?

>It currently supports the following systems:
>Famicom
>Super Famicom
>Game Boy
>Game Boy Color
>Game Boy Advance
>Nintendo DS

So which one of these are actually good?

>>528949
SNES is the only good one, the others are only interesting in how similar the architecture runs, which is why he added them. Maybe he'll go back and add them later, but he hit a common ground on them all so just added in that.

>>528568

Because .snes never existed in the past as a ROM format. .sfc has been around for a very long time and he's hardly the first to advocate for it, he was just the first emulator author to require it.

>>505005
>Already generalizing /vr/ like it's been around for more than a month.

Don't.

>>528949
>So which one of these are actually good?

Snes, and only snes. OThers are so alpha it's not funny.

>MUH ACCURACY

>>533019

After this I'm just filtering "muh". There's never been an intelligent post using that phrase.

>>529146
The problem with byuu's file format advocacy is that he kept trying uselessly to convince people to adopt his proposed format, arguing endlessly about its benefits.

He should simply rename the ROM files when they are loaded by his emulators, so that they silently end up with the correct extension and file name. Don't even mention this to the clueless user. Or better yet: he should simply convert them to the game folder format silently, and replace the original file with the better format.

If you know your way is the best one and you're going to be an extremist about it, at least do it right.

>>533923
>he should simply convert them to the game folder format silently, and replace the original file with the better format.
This is a terrible idea. No program should ever destroy any user data silently. Imagine MS Office/LibreOffice overwriting each others files each time the file it is open. Or a media player that converts everything to FLAC while another converts if back to mp3.
That is a stupid idea, you are a stupid person for suggesting it and you should feel bad.

>>510917
>>http://byuu.org/articles/apple

>My mac developed hardware problems and I damaged it further by my amateur "repair" attempts instead of returning it under warranty.

I had a mac mini, it was a stupid design but it was solid. You hold the mouse button down on boot up to force eject a CD that prevents boot, 3 seconds of googling would tell you that. Hard drives fail, deal with it. FWIW my "Deathstar" drives are 6 years old and still running. Hitachi fixed the IBM problems. As for the RAM, given the QUALITY MAINTENANCE demonstrated I'm going to say he fucked it trying to replace the HD, then fucked it more replacing the DIMMs.

Shit, I like BSNES and higan but how does this guy manage to tie his shoelaces?

>>538401
>defending apple

>>>/g/

There's rich people on /vr/ right? byuu lowered the price on his entire SNES set down to $16,900 if you buy it from him directly (or $17,900 on eBay) and it's the last offer he's gonna give, before he starts selling the games individually.

Someone buy it and support the man!

per http://byuu.org/

>>533923
It's not a matter of file extension only...

Most ROMs have useless file copier headers. Given his preservationist views, those headers aren't part of the original data of the game, and thus they need to be gone.