/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5084426
the same reason anyone likes anything: they had a good time doing it. I am not going to lie and say that the Saturn was a superior console, or anything, but there are some games that you couldn't play anywhere else. And, even if every game had been ported to the Playstation, I would still love my Saturn because it was mine. I spent uncountable hours on Astal, Dragon Force, Vampire Savior, Symphony of the Night, Nights, Magic Knight Rayearth, Guardian Heroes, Legend of Oasis, and a ton of other games I can't even remember. Even the shitty games, like Wipeout and Shining the Holy Ark were interesting experiences. I just had fun with the damn thing. I am glad for every penny I spent on it

>>5084951
and, thinking on it more, it was fun being the underdog. it was fun looking through Gamefan Magazine at all the japanese exclusives I wished and prayed would come to the US. I had fun arguing with Playstation owners about how the Saturn was still a good system. I had fun being smug because at least it wasn't the N64. There were still a shitload of Saturn exclusives I never owned, and it was fun digging through Ebay, and shaking my fist at the rape prices. some things taste sweeter when you struggle to get them.

>>5084951
>>5084957
>Symphony of the Night
> all the japanese exclusives I wished and prayed would come to the US
But sotn on saturn is japanese exclusive! And sega saturn is region locked! You are lying bastard, you have just invented this shitstory to impress anon on this board!

Great arcade ports.

>>5084426
Because it's the official console of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

>>5084970
A pro action replay was mandatory for any saturn fanboy.

>>5084987
I love playing PoYo PoYo on my Seca Sadurn.

Why would anyone like the WonderSwan Color? Or 2D, JRPG, and/or nipponese-dubbed games for that matter?

Low poly 3D sport games is where it's at.

>>5084972
This, same as Dreamcast.

>>5084972
> Great
top kek. im still haunted by daytona. what a pile of shit.

have you even played deep fear? this game is seriously good. dragon force too. Exhumed also. not to mention dark savior and panzer dragoon zwei!

>>5085051
I prefer the Sega Loli Championship.

>>5084987
>show takes place 20 years in the future
>still playing a saturn

>>5085298
Yeah, and Shenmue takes place in the 80s and Ryo still has a Saturn too. The machine obviously had a 40 year life span.

>>5085183
Ah, Deep Fear. The finished localization already compiled for English NTSC that was cancelled in US just because.

Deep Fear has no reason to exist other than prop the Saturn. And that's bad. Sega needs to go third party. I wish Nintendo would go third party too, but NCL would not allow it. Everything needs to be low poly 3D sport games. Five star rated stuff.
Games like Resident Evil are fake 3D. Not enough untextured polygons. You can tell the background is prerendered. It almost got weeded out, as it needed to be for the industry to progress, if not for the Japanese side pulling strings there. That mistake shall not be repeated with Deep Fear, fortunately.

>>5085298
>not using your portable DAT-cassette-player in 2015
lmao @ your life

>>5084957
You sound like an unironic console warrior. Yikes.
Anyway
>Bernieposter thread

>>5085589
>saying yikes unironically
>complaining about people having preferences
You have to go back, joe redditfer.

>>5085879
>people having preferences
More like people being poor and not being able to afford more than 1 system.

I like the Saturn because of Virtua Cop 1 and 2. Those two are it. Badass games badass gun. Need I say more? Thought so.

>>5084426
Is there a more punchable face?

>>5085891
I never owned an Atari Jaguar, am I not allowed to say it's shit by the /vr/ thought police?

>>5085928
No the anon you're replying to, but the Jaguar was never mentioned ITT.
>>5084957 only mentioned the big 3 of 5th gen.

>>5085891
There's no need to own every console either unless you're addicted to video games

>>5085891
>if someone doesn't like a system I like they must be a poorcuck who never got to play it
Cool strawman, plebbit.

>>5085934
Nobody talked about "every console", see: >>5085932
>>5085935
>implying I like "systems".
I just like games.

>>5085934
>>5085935
t. seething single-system poorfag cucks with shit childhoods.

>>5084426
It was the only console at the time that had arcade perfect ports of Street Fighter Alpha and X-Men vs Street Fighter. What's not to love? Also having the Virtua Fighter games as exclusives was pretty attractive. And NiGHTS was pretty fun and unique albeit a bit dated feeling at the time. Saturn really needed a full 3D roaming title like Mario 64 but they fucked up the Sonic one and cancelled it thus blowing their chance to compete with N64.

Three words: Die Hard Arcade

>>5084987
>playing the ugly american black colored controller
>not playing the japan exclusive white with multicolor buttons controller
tasteless

>>5086003
That's the earlier Japanese grey controller though, the American version is all black and has the Saturn logo on the controller, instead of the regular Sega logo.

>>5086003
Once you go black you never go back, tasteless faggot

>>5085978
Two words: Dynamite Deka.

>>5086020
I love how it actually looks like Bruce Willis on this cover.

>>5084426
>tfw you're the only one that actually owned the shinobi game with power rangers cutscenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvkjHxwq7ko

>>5085589 >>5085879 >>5085891 >>5085904 >>5085928 >>5085932 >>5085934 >>5085935 >>5085942 >>5085943

Fortunately, Bernie tried his best to make the console's choice easier for everyone and deliver all of you lost lambs from your console warmongering.
It's such a shame Nintendo would not give him a chance to bring that plan to completion. It was a close call, instead of hiring a Mattel exec at 2003 (Bernie !!) like they should have, those damn nips got their spelling wrong and called MTV's Reggie instead. Such a damn shame. You just know he has visionary ideas for them when you read his interviews. "Nintendo should have just went third party, but the Japanese side would never allow it"... but i'm sure he could work it out just like he did for Sega and Bandai!

Was Bernie actually a Sony plant?

>>5084426
Aside from having quite a few good games the fact that it triggers memelets so hard is worth it alone.

>>5084970
But 4chan in an 18+ board! And you're 12! You are an underage bastard, you have just invented this shitpost to make a fool of yourself to anon on this board

>>5085348
"your wishes mean nothing to me"
-al bundy

Saturn is fuckung awesome. Its easily in my top 3 consoles of all time. Thats why.

Saturn is fucking awesome. Its easily in my top 3 consoles of all time. Thats why. If you hate sega you aint a gamer.

>>5086749
He sabotaged Sony too.
He DID help push Crash Bandicoot, granted, but he was trying really hard to make sure no 2D game ever reached the PS1 while greenlighting all sort of trash in 3D, especially SPORT games he loved.

Pissed off Capcom (tried to tell them they should stop making Mega Man games altogether, only relented when Capcom threw a fit to the JP division and threatened to support the Saturn instead) and tried to get Castlevania Symphony of the Night cancelled (including a last minute call "redub all of this in english or this will fail cert").

He seriously tried to argue Resident Evil was "too 2d", yes even polygon/2d mixes every dev tried then is too much, game must look like superman 64 to pass. The PS1 had very small RAM that couldn't fit detailed polys and devs resorted to these tricks to have passable looking games.

Is confirmed to have been hostile to JRPGs. Sony's in-house projects were either cancelled in US (three attempts for popolocrois) or given to other publishers. Partner projects like camelot's beyond the the beyond (after a divorce from sega) or square's final fantasy 7 (after a divorce from nintendo) were really important to sony but these companies were still not given a break by bernie and his "rules", so after ff7 was a million seller he was let go.

He sabotaged Sony one more time after he left.
Sony was technically helping pushing the WonderSwan Color to drive Nintendo out of the competition (somewhat like Sega was trying with the NGP, but actually effective). They allowed Square to port Final Fantasy games during an exclusivity contract, and had an Arc the Lad project and a project by Parappa-the-Rapper's developers on it too.

In light of his comments on nintendo ("must go third party") and how he now works for cloud gaming stuff, maybe he's a microsoft plant to destroy the nip gaming industry and get the scraps.

>>5089724
>In light of his comments on nintendo ("must go third party") and how he now works for cloud gaming stuff, maybe he's a microsoft plant to destroy the nip gaming industry and get the scraps.
This makes sense actually.

>>5089724
>he was trying really hard to make sure no 2D game ever reached the PS1

I have been saying that for years. Sony were cancerous 3d nazis. Their crappy console didnt have any 2d capabilities in the first place. Its all crap dlapped onto flat polygons.

>>5089724 #
>he was trying really hard to make sure no 2D game ever reached the PS1

I have been saying that for years. Sony were cancerous 3d nazis. Their crappy console didnt have any 2d capabilities in the first place. Its all crap slapped onto flat polygons.

>>5089871
That's not true, the Playstation had a tile based microcode that they used to render backgrounds in Resident Evil and for arcade ports.

It blows my mind that, like his arch-enemy Vic Ireland, Bernie still has people shilling for him on some video game forums.

Remember to thank your Mountain Dew!

>>5089724
>In light of his comments on nintendo ("must go third party") and how he now works for cloud gaming stuff, maybe he's a microsoft plant to destroy the nip gaming industry and get the scraps.
Microsoft really got EEE nailed, devilish.

>>5085298
I played my saturn today and it's a couple years past the Evangelion setting

>>5089871
No, not really.
Actually all three major consoles then (PS1, Saturn, N64) could show 2D sprites, the Saturn had advanced 2D backgrounds but the other two could do the same by drawing enough sprites to cover whole screens, and all three preferred flat polygons anyways whenever they wanted to use a sprite but it had to be scaled and transformed too.

The anti-2D position came from the US branches of Sony, and then Saturn under the tenure of Bernie (it was alright before) and then crept to gaming magazines and Nintendo would honor refund requests for 2D haters too (aside from how their smaller cartridges meant that games low budget enough to be 2D but needing more texture/2D art data on cart were unicorns by necessity).

It was utterly idiotic. The Saturn and yes even the PS1 were simply not powerful enough for full 3D games, it had to be a mix, and 2D games still made sense to capitalize on the dying FMV / cinematic craze some more. A lot of the more impressive 3D effects were prerendered Silicon Graphics videos that can't be done on the SNES because cart limitattions, but that's also 2D that very much isn't tolerated by Bernie. Even today it's still used (Vanquish on PC is 17GB, 15 of which are prerendered 3D videos for performance reasons).
The demands ran counter to the actual system's strengths and making the best out of them (that were even accounted for by the console designers). It's sabotage. I'm sure if he was ever hired by Nintendo (who sabotaged themselves a bunch already, with the cancelled 64DD and no disc storage) he would make games that are not fully voice acted fail cert.

Who in their right mind goes to (multiple) third parties and tell them to stop supporting the consoles, or release at a loss, unless it's a plant?

>>5089817
It might not be that farfetched.
Bernie tried to make sure all revenue streams were shut down for Sega from late 1997 to the 9/9/99 "success" dreamcast launch (it was already out in japan 1 year before), the development of sonic extreme was a mess and extremely understaffed, he was on the hunt for third parties selling ram expansion packs or whatever the saturn memory cards were called because of course he was driving up their scarecity to make people drop the saturn without a backup plan... clearly the acumen of a shrewd businessman and not plain sabotage...

In the meanwhile we know the DreamCast was supposed originally to use Windows CE for all of its games, as an OS embedded at system bios level. It was really pushed for from the american side (hint!) then Sega of Japan balked and made it so Windows Embedded was optional, hosted on discs, and developers could still develop on metal. More importantly, Sega themselves didn't use it much for THEIR projects. It seems eerily similar to the attempted takeover by Sony of the Super NES via the sound chip SDK, and then the CD add-on.
So Bernie's farewell gift to Sega was taking the $400 (already sold at a loss) DreamCast, and launch it for HALF that price, and it was at that point that it was obvious enough it was sabotage and he was deservingly sacked.

Then Microsoft has a console, already ready for launch in Japan just in time after the DC's cancellation, inspired by Sega arcade hardware, fleecing Sega talent left and right (Panzer Dragon, Sonic ex-devs for Blinx, Phantom Dust...) and some pretty involved corporate espionage going on (like trying to bribe a controller manufacturer to leak the dualshock 2's blueprints and make something close enough... then complain about the "xenophobia" when denied, in interviews years later, and that's just the stuff they admitted to in public)

>>5084987
That's a good reason to hate it Everything in that show was shit and deserved to die.

>>5091631
>shitting on Evangelion
Get a load of this guy

>>5084426
It's the hipster option. Plus, people here tend to worship Sega.

For people who aren't massive hipsters, it's because it's arcade focused and has a solid library of exclusives.

>>5091631
anime was a mistake.

>>5089724
>The PS1 had very small RAM that couldn't fit detailed polys and devs resorted to these tricks to have passable looking games.

PS1 had stuff like Dino Crysis and Silent Hill though.

My greatest regret in life was telling my parents to buy me a PlayStation and not a Saturn

>>5091731
>its a hipster console (whatever the fuck that means)

>b-but, it also has a hipster filter attached.

Please! Stop with the cognitive dissonance.

>>5084426
Yes. Everyone who's not underage poorfag.

>>5091935
Jap library was good thou

>>5091890
For the time the psx was a monster and had a hefty amount of ram and a solid gpu. I don’t really understand this at all

>>5092227
>Why does anyone like the Saturn?
>Yes. Everyone who's not underage poorfag.

>>5084426
They don't? Or they are pretending for internet points

>>5087758
>Saturn is fucking awesome. Its easily in my top 3 consoles of all time

but buddy, it's a 2nd rate playstation

>>5084426
Why does anyone like anything? People had fun playing it, I'd assume.

>>5093472
>>5093712
>implying PlayStation isn't a 2nd rate Saturn