/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5085323
How are the annoying load times on a CD vs HDD vs ssd?

>>5085327
PlayStation only supported CDs

>>5085323
>half-assed level design
>map system stolen pixel for pixel from a 1994 intelligent systems SNES game
>brazenly and shamelessly derivative
>flawless
The only thing flawless is the OST.

Best game, period.

But the PSP version is the best.

while i do love symphony of the night, it isn't flawless.

The only flaw i could think of is how easy the game is. Tons and tons and tons of items and you almost never use any of them because there is no need.
Give enemies more damage, that way i would focus on reducing the damage they do to me, evade, and think on a strategy.

>>5086451
>handheld version
>best

>>5085327
I played it for the first time a few years ago(on an unmodified playstation) and the loading times weren't bad at all.

>>5086526
>plays the same
>looks the same
>sounds the same
>has more content
>faster load times
>can suspend gameplay any moment instead of having to find a save room when you need to quit playing
>can explore the castle while you're taking a shit
huh

If you like platformers, here you go.

>>5086541
You're forgetting original japanese voice acting with english subtitles

>>5086449
>Bland and boring

>>5085327
On a ps1 load times are noticeable but not bad. Things like music queuing takes a second. On PS2 you probably won't notice loads at all.

>>5086554
>cringe and bluepilled

This board universally LOVES Vagrant Story

>>5085323
The Inverted Castle was unnecessary and ruined the game for me.

>>5085323
Great game, why action platformers are better at the action aspect than top down games? It is because you can't avoid the fightings?

>>5086545
Now if only they were GOOD English subtitles...

>>5086451
Yes because everyone loves games on a console that performs like shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzsqx5uXmpA

>>5088173
What performance problems does sotn have on PSP?
I played it to 200.6% and didn't find anything wrong.

>>5087416

Didn't ruin it for me, but I hear ya on the feeling. I tend to dislike New Game + where the game is merely scrambled a bit without doing much that's new. By extension, I find rom randomizers to be hollow experiences in the vein of TLoZ master quest. Never got the draw.

>>5086541
>has more content
PSP Maria is shit.
If I wanted to play Maria I'd play the Saturn version

>>5086546
based

it's thps2 for me

>>5088541
She's fine on PSP too though. I like her Saturn version, but PSP has the original Rondo moveset and she's pretty fast and swift, love zipping in the air using her dash.
Anyway, it's still more content than the PS1 version.
Saturn version has the problems we all know.

>>5088564
how do i get it on psp

>>5085323
No game is flawless. But I think even a masterpiece can still have obvious flaws. Games are so much more than the sum of their parts and anyone can pick out the weakest aspect of the greatest game ever made and find a game that does that particular thing better. A masterpiece to me is just a prime example of the genre or medium as a whole.
For me:
>Super Mario Bros. 3
>A Link to the Past
>System Shock
>DOOM
>Duke Nukem 3D
>Blood
>Fallout
>Deus Ex
>Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
None of them are perfect but they're the games that illustrate everything I love about video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzOR6OWb3FA

Link to the Past
River City Ransom
Sonic 3 and Knuckles
SMB3
Earthworm Jim 2
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy Adventure
True Love 95
Gunstar Heroes
Alien Soldier

>>5088792
on the dracula X chronicles release, you have to unlock it by playing the Rondo remake (or downloading some save state with it unlocked if you're emulating)

>>5089130
>River City Ransom

agreed on this. total perfection.

>>5089376
B A R F

For me, it's Harvest Moon 64. (Friends of Mineral Town is an improvement on it, but that's not quite retro status yet.)

>>5089384
Sounds like you could use some Digestol.

>>5088569
>>5088573
>>5088826
based

>>5086541
>playing sotn in a tiny ass screen

>>5086545
>>5086541
>with that shitty english re-dub

I'll stick with my over the top theater VA from the ps1 thank you.

Half Life

>>5089680
>caring about dub when the game has the option for original language with subtitles

>>5089134
ok thx, too bad i have to play rondo remake tho

>>5085323
>SotN
lolno

>>5086449
idk what the fuck you're referencing

>>5086497
>Super Mario 64
lolno, that game is janky and ugly as hell

>>5086542
>Donkey Kong Country 2
maybe arguably best platformer, but probably not

is it a perfect game? lolno

>>5086546
>Dynamite Cop
lolno

>>5086549
>Ocarina of Time
super lolno

>>5086931
>Radiant Silvergun
lol no shmups can be perfect, it's a flawed genre

>>5088558
>any Tony Hawk game
lolno

>>5088569
>Super Mario 3
pretty great, but far from perfect

>>5088573
>Kirby's Adventure
perfect for 5 year olds

>>5088826
>No game is flawless.
Wrong, there is one game without any flaws.

>None of [my suggestions] are perfect
My man.

>>5089130
lolnone of these are perfect

>>5089376
>River City Ransom
lolno

>>5089389
>Harvest Moon 64
lolno

>>5089465
>Ace Combat 3
lolno

>>5089793
>Half Life
lolno

The REAL perfect game is Tetris. Obviously. If you dislike Tetris then the problem is you.

>>5090320
Very deep and original "Tetris is perfect" argument my guy

>>5090320
>reply wall autism
blow it out your ass

>>5090358
This is officially a meme thread now

>>5090337
>>5090347
As expected, peons cannot even comprehend perfection when presented to them on a silver platter.

>>5090383
Tetris is annoying and dull

>>5090383
Tetris a shit
Dr. Mario is better

>>5087471

Top down games are trying to emulate 3D in a 2D element, and 3D simply does it better. 2D side scrollers are their own thing.

>>5090379
Kek, I knew someone would get mad at that.

step aside

>>5090150
It's honestly not bad. It has a couple extra bosses and an actually challenging Dracula fight.

>>5088179
If that game was perfect then why is Outrun Coast to Coast so much better

>>5090320
>mass reply
>fucking Memetendo Tetris
>perfect
Absolute fucking retard.

>>5085323
Now that even /vr/ has become fully-fledged contrarian i don't think there's any flawless game on this world.

>>5085323
The trifecta.

>>5086449
is this Umihara Kawase? I wanna try the new version, any good?

>>5085323
Find a flaw.

>>5091640
no offense, but are you one of the many castlevania fanboys who has never played anything on the pce other than Rondo?

reminds me of the metal gear fans who buy an msx

>>5085323
SotN is more "fun as fuck, but very deeply flawed"

It's not a popular opinion these days, but fuck you, here it is:

>it's way too easy. Like, sleeping with a hooker easy. Like, fucking beating a blind, retarded ape with no hands at scrabble easy.
>you only actually need 3 upgrades, and can then freely roam the castle with no restrictions. Making any exploration mostly optional.
>there's tons of unique, but totally pointless equipment. Making use of 90% of the shit the game offers is either a chore or pointless because it's either useful in only a handful of areas, or it's functional use is negligable (neat weapons that do chip damage)
>familliars are fucking stupid and almost totally useless in all but maybe 2 versions of the game.
>any boss can be cheased to death with easy tricks in literal seconds, without using the shield rod. And even without cheap tricks, most of them barely offer any challenge normally.
>some areas in the game are totally pointless, as nothing of use is kept within them.

I mean, it's an amazingly fun game, but it's flawed from top to bottom. It's fun despite it's many flaws.

And before anyone freaks and or rages, SotN is in my top 20 best of all time list, and I enjoy the shit out of it. I just get annoyed when people pretend a game being fun is the same thing as it being a masterwork of unparalelled quality.

Super Metroid does everything better than SotN. Play them both, and tell me SotN is flawless.

>>5091697
Super Metroid is easier than SotN though

>>5091664
Sayonara?
It's pretty fun albeit easier than previous iterations.

>>5085323

SotN is just too breakable, to the point where you have to go out of your way not to break it. Even without all the overpowered attack gimmicks the mist form is basically an invincibility toggle switch.

>>5086443

Its a glorified turd. Like most konami games.

Any game to trigger an autist so bad he spends years making threads dedicated to hating it has to be pretty good.

>>5091676
I've played literally every pce game, Rondo is the best one.

>>5092041
your face is a konami game

>>5085323
Still waiting for you to post a perfect game, OP. Hell, I'd even settle for just a good game.

>>5086443
>map system stolen pixel for pixel from a 1994 intelligent systems SNES game
What game?

>>5093486
Also interested

>>5086451
>Retranslates some of the most iconic bants in gaming
>Good

>>5093583
>it's good because it's iconic

>>5088569
>>5088573
found the manchild

>>5090453
But 3D combat is less satisfying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lADAa9ouVlM

>>5091640
>ff8
>eb
shit taste

>>5090320
kys faggot

>>5085323
Always fun to play.

>>5096137
But how Does it stack up to the Atari 7800 version?

>>5090320
>lolno

I would really prefer if you'd be quiet.

>>5090674
Suggesting nothing in life is without ANY flaws is not contrarian, it's a widely accepted truth.

>>5091640
I was alright with this image up until I saw FFVIII
fucking Squallfags are the scourge of the earth

Henlo

>>5085323

>Had it been finished
>Had it completed Eps. I-VI
>Even if it had been the original FF VII, Chrono Trigger II or Project Noah

Possibilities.

>>5091697
The fact it has unique items that only do tiny insignificant things is part of what makes it so great.

>>5091697
SotN is mostly an action RPG, you level, you fight eighty bosses, you get equipment drops, etc. Metroid is an action adventure, exploring the world itself is a puzzle. They are different things.

>>5090320
>lol no shmups can be perfect, it's a flawed genre
Oh boy I'd love to hear you justify this one

>>5091669
30 fps and Piranha's too good, maybe the visual style too fucks with the eyes on some tracks

sorry fellas this is as good as it gets

>>5090320

Diddy Kong Racing Tony's Poop Smells Good Edition

>>5088564
Nah, PSP Maria is trash and her boss fight is a joke compared to the saturn version
https://youtu.be/DmXU4s_s5vQ
https://youtu.be/1NzAsBTxDjI

>>5093619
The dialogue is shit no matter how you spin it. At least the original version was amusing.

Get on my level, nerds.

>>5091697
>it's way too easy. Like, sleeping with a hooker easy. Like, fucking beating a blind, retarded ape with no hands at scrabble easy.
This is never a problem except when it comes to Castlevania. Jrpgs are easy, Zelda is easy, guess why these games are well remembered now.
>you only actually need 3 upgrades, and can then freely roam the castle with no restrictions. Making any exploration mostly optional.
Which only matters if you read the walkthroughs. This is not something everybody does.
>there's tons of unique, but totally pointless equipment. Making use of 90% of the shit the game offers is either a chore or pointless because it's either useful in only a handful of areas, or it's functional use is negligable (neat weapons that do chip damage)
Could be a valid critique for Diablo or any roguelike, yet it doesn't make those games bad. I mean, it doesn't make the game worse, maybe it doesn't make it better.
>familliars are fucking stupid and almost totally useless in all but maybe 2 versions of the game.
Another nitpicking, it is cool to have them around you. That's enough to have them. Like the cloaks.
>any boss can be cheased to death with easy tricks in literal seconds, without using the shield rod. And even without cheap tricks, most of them barely offer any challenge normally.
And yet another "Now that I know how a magic trick is done, is shit" argument. Do not read walkthroughs then. Do you know this is an 'issue' for virtually any Castlevania? Watch some speedruns.
>some areas in the game are totally pointless, as nothing of use is kept within them.
Huh? Some areas are simple passways. Like every level in Super Mario Bros before reaching a castle.

For some reason however you did not mention the inverted castle.

https://youtu.be/oDBWfUipBLg

>>5085323
Here is one Shame is never ccame to either the N64, Sega Saturn, or Amiga CD32.

>>5086449
this is fun for 5 minutes

>>5098675
this is the only game i replay at least once a year
i agree it's perfect

>>5098823

Same, doesn't matter how many times i beat it, i always end up coming back to it over time. Only game i actively seek out romhacks for too.

>>5098719
So your entire set of counter points are calling valid complaints nitpicking?

And I didn't mention the second castle because it's a huge, empty waste of time where you gather 5 items, then go cheese the final boss to death.
You can grind, sure, but why bother? The entirety of the second castle was a low effort attempt to make the game longer and hide the true ending. It was a nice piece of post game, but it in no way makes the game as a whole better or worse for me. It's just more.of the same, and lumped in with the rest of it. I have all the sam3 complaints about the second castle as I do the first.

My new question is; how can you claim any of my arguments as nitpicking, when the things I bring up make up a huge chunk of the game?

And like it or not, I was able to cheese most bosses easily on my first few playthrough, no problem and without any guides. Yeah, I wasn't spamming b3st equipment, but I knew all thw spells (thanks to the shop), experimented and pushed their shit in.

I'll admit that finding everything for the first time was more enjoyable than the 50th time. But that's neither here nor there IMO. Because becomming familliar with the game only made certain aspects less enjoyable.
The combat never changes, the layout of the castle never changes and my arguments remain valid on your first and 100th playthrough.

And FYI, I'm one of those guys who ended up squeazing every last bit of enjoyment out of the game, wether by maxing out the map, farming best equipment, trying out every strategy available. Tried every item, fucked around with the shield rod and got my money's worth. Been playing it since 1997.

You can claim that my knowledge of the game is what ruined it for me all you want, but that in no way makes the game better. All that time just revealed to me how limited and how simple the game really is. I still like it, but I can like something and admit it's not a masterpiece.

>>5098326
Both Marias are trash and so is Richter. The game was made for Alucard and nobody else.

The only Metroidvania that did a decent alternate character mode was Dawn of Sorrow for the three-character party dynamic and being a "What If?" ending to the main story.

>>5085323
2 words, reverse castle.

>>5098814
What are you talking about? 5 min isnt enough to even scratch the surface of the games mechanics, and it absolutely isnt enough to clear all the routes. The game gets better the more you play it, when swinging becomes second nature and the challenge shifts from merely clearing levels to doing it fast and smooth that's when the game truly shines.

>>5099007
Julius mode in AoS was good too... plus the game was better overall

>>5098326
>that maria theme in the saturn version
Man, if it wasn't such a bad port it would be the best SotN.
Why couldn't they rerelease this version fixed for once instead of the PSX version that they've done like a million times already?

>>5098386
this fan translation of the original japanese dialogue is pretty good, actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phmcDUwqAWU

>>5099125
Julius was as poorly-implemented as Richter, Maria, and Maxim were in the prior games. They all come across as lazy sprite-hacks in a game that was not made for them.

>>5099172
IGA hated the Saturn version for being a shitty port made without his say-so, and Konami has completely disowned it since.

>>5093486
"1994 game from Intelligent Systems" is a fancy and circuitous way of saying Super Metroid.

>>5085323

>>5099629
can't skip cutscenes.

>>5096141
Have to admit that I wasn't aware of that version. I had a good laugh at its expense -- the sound is awful :D

>>5099635
Still a great Castlevania game.

>>5096448
Havent seen "henlo" used in almost a decade.

>>5085323
p'erfec't zelda

>>5086541
>tiny screen
No anon, it does not look the same.

>>5085323
frontier elite
daggerfall (fucking lick my taint, i love it)
super star wars return of the jedi
DK '94 (obligatory)
super mario kart 64
sonic spinball (you may not like it but this is what peek sonic looks like)
pokemon red/blue
metal slug x
Resident Evil 1
Doom 2
school daze/back to school
parodious
super street fighter 2 turbo
zoku gossun oyoyo (play it then tell me about it)
joust(pure)


ok fuck it im done, didnt get many racing games in, so as an honorable mention, need for speed hot pursuit.

>>5085323
tetris

>>5086443
how is the level design half assed? the game doesn't rely on clever level design. it focuses on combat, not puzzles or platforming. the levels are basically arenas where you can fuck around with the shitload of weapons the game constantly hands you.

>>5099804
>nintendo shit
>perfect

>>5085323
>flawless
only if you stopped before the inverted castle

>>5099874
>how is the level design halfassed
>already start making excuses for halfassed level design before you've even heard the counter
Nice one anon, it's halfassed because it's empty corridors with no interesting geometry and copypasted encounter design. The game will literally spam the same enemy at you in the same kind of room over and over. That'd be ok if it was like a beat 'em up, but it isn't. The combat is garbage with passive enemies incapable of putting up a fight that can be cheesed in a huge number of ways. The game doesn't really have a focus besides exploration and getting new shit, it just throws a bunch of elements into a mix and hopes for the best.

>>5099887
but all the cool weapons are in the inverted castle

>>5085323
Peak of the series

>>5099668
Rondo is not a "game". It's an interactive anime. For the most part, it's designed to be difficult to lose and go off-script.

morrowind

>>5099887
Have to agree. Finally finished inverted castle this year and aside from Galamoth it was pretty disappointing.

>>5085323

One that hasn't been mentioned and usually never is is Shaman King for the Gameboy advance.

It's somewhat similar to Castlevania, but I prefer Shaman King.

>>5100224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zz234AyegY

>>5100539
is morrowind retro or what?
btw it's my favorite game of all time

DDP DOJ BL
Wip3out
Street Zero 3

Stunts is a game so flawed it becomes perfect.

>>5100687
Hey i really enjoyed those games! DESU i found them slightly inferior to SoTN, but still great nonetheless.

>>5085323
would have been far superior without backtracking and with more linear levels and therefore more interesting challenges and progression. i felt like every other room was copy and paste in this shit

>>5102521
Very overrated.

>>5085323

>>5102583
>thing I don't like = overrated

>>5085323
It was fun, but deeply flawed.

All I'll say is my first couple plays were awesome, and once I memorized everything, I realized how simplistic the game really is. And the game seems to force you to level up as well, making grinding, not grinding (and using a level system entirely) pointless.

To elaborate, if you're under leveled, boss battles will generally put you where you need to be fairly quickly, without much extra effort.
And before someone draws an out of place Final Fantasy comparison, low and sometimea no level runs are possible in those games, so...

It's got lots of little issues that are head scratchers, but who gives a fuck about any of that? It's still fun anyway.

>>5102779
the first time i ever played i was having a decent time until that corridor in one of the areas (forget which) that is just the big 'maneater' plants and the weird crocodiles with chicks on the end of their tails over and over and over.... just really bland level design, and it didn't get any better.

>>5102779
The whole level-up system in SotN seems to be more of a crutch for non-action game fans to be able to overcome challenges than a well-designed leveling system. The sound and the flash when leveling is pretty satisfying even if it barely means anything though.

>>5085323
You clearly just want people to fight over this...

That said, I'm gonna go ahead and say Final Fantasy VIII is a perfect masterpiece.

I love everything about it; the music, characters, story, graphics, gameplay, junctioning, cards, refinement, GFs, all of it.

Not even trolling. Come at me.

>>5102809
it's the only FF i ever liked 2bh

>>5089389
The Autumn theme is fucking nightmarish after the fifth day or so

>>5085323
Too easy to be flawless. I don't know why developers think that if a game has a metroid-style map/progression system that this makes up for a game not having any actual challenge. This is something I apply to a lot of the metroid games as well, actually.

>>5086542
Perfection

>>5090320
lol

>>5102932
Isn't it weird how Richter mode makes you feel really weak yet really strong glass cannon? Both you and the bosses go down in a few hits.

>>5085323
This, Chrono Trigger and Doom are my triforce of best games of all time, but no, it's not flawless...the entire upside down castle now feels like a slog and I can never bother to finish it.

>>5103156
Richter and Maria modes (both versions) are garbage, nothing but sprite-hacks put into a game that was clearly not made for them at all.

>>5086497
It's almost astonishing how they managed to use up all the negative space on that sticker, and yet it still looks totally barren up close.

>>5090320
>being this much of a newfag

crash2.
tight mechanics/controls
great music
still one of the best looking 3D adventure games.

>>5103305
Hugo is better

>>5085323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FufEDGEjGEU

I can pick this up and play it any day of the week without complaint.

>>5103446
>another evil pig in video games