/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5066882
>raccoons and Buddhism WHICH IS FROM INDIA are suddenly Japanese

>>5066882
You mean because of the literally one reference

To be fair Koopas are based on Kappas.
Super Mario World even has "Kappa mountain".

>>5066936
It's a tanuki, not a raccoon. And it's a tanuki statue, not Buddhism. And tanuki statues aren't from India.

>>5066882
>Why is Japanese game made by Japanese so Japanese
You remind me certain panel I've once attended, where people were ultimately complaining how anime is full of inserts from Japanese social culture, like the way of handling business or adressing your superiors and stuff like that. It never apparently occured to those people that if X made something, then it's going to reference things X is familiar with.
And you are just like those people.

>>5067042
>It never apparently occured to those people that if X made something, then it's going to reference things X is familiar with.

It's literally autism, they can't understand how or why anyone would think differently than themselves.

>>5066992
It's a Jizo statue, trollbooth.

>>5067042
Take your head out of your ass, OP is just wondering why it had more japanese themes than other titles belonging to the same franchise. He isn't complaining or wondering why are there japanese themes.

The artifical cutesy from chimes music, sugar coated graphics with smiling clouds, not to mention Martinet's retarded voice are all japanese. Typical kitschy japanese gibberish, which haunted the Super Gayrio franchise from day 1, and got worse since then.

>>5067149
You tell em, OP.

They run out of ideas.

I used to think that Bowser was modeled after Anguirus desu

>>5067042
>attending anime panels

I think we've identified the problem.

>>5067042
>people were ultimately complaining how anime is full of inserts from Japanese social culture
That sounds like a very shitty panel, of course Japanese Anime is going to have a lot of shit from Japanese culture, much like how western media takes a lot of inspiration from western culture, and Russian media takes a lot of inspiration from Russian culture, same with British media. A lot of a nation's fictional works take a lot of inspiration from their native folk tales and life in general. If you're going to complain about how there's "Too much Japanese Culture in Japanese anime", you might as well go bitching about every British TV show ever.

>>5067851
>>5067943
Believe it or not, but it was an academic discussion about the effect of "soft power" in media.
Not my fault the moderator was shit and eventually students started argue about anime.
If it helps, eventually it went back to the proper subject. And I partially understand their grief, because the examples brought really were annoying stuff that takes Japs to do. Either way, the argument for a while went back and forth about the anime and then went back to the situation why soft power can fail, going back to anime... you get the picture. That back and forth went for a while, until eventually people got tired and moderator managed to seize control.

>>5066992
Tanuki is a fucking raccoon dog.

>>5067980
it's not a raccoon though, is it?

>>5067980
>Racoon dog
It's "jenot", you dolt. Or tanuki. Why English naming convention is always so fucking retarded? It literally has nothing to do with racoons OR dogs.

>>5067221
Dude I pretty much abandoned this thread when the first 3 comments were /v/-tier ackshully contarians. Checking to see if it was better... Nopr

>>5068003
Still raccoon you cock goblin.

>>5067969
>And I partially understand their grief, because the examples brought really were annoying stuff that takes Japs to do.
Western media is full of really annoying stuff that takes westerners to do too, so...

>>5067042
While I wouldn't call those complaints justifiable, it's understandable that people would make them due to how massively Japanese entertainment is Americanized, and how vigorously it tries to appeal to American audiences, especially these days.

>>5068003
>Why English naming convention is always so fucking retarded? It literally has nothing to do with racoons OR dogs.
It's classified as a canine. So yes, it's literally a dog that looks like a raccoon. Hence, raccoon dog. How is this a bad naming convention?

>>5067080

Jizz? What does semen have to do with Mario?

>>5067220
>Martinet's retarded voice are all japanese.
Yes, a Swedish man living in the United States emulating an Italian accent is just what I'd call "Japanese".

>>5066882
Dude. Who. Gives. A. Fuck.

They never were ones to question the inspiration of any given design. That’s kind of why Mario enemies are so all over the place. The setting allows them to invent stuff whole cloth for the needs of the gameplay without needing to justify it.

Koopa Troopa seem based on the Mario Bros turtles, which were turtles because they are the sort of enemy that could be incapacitated by being flipped over. So, what probably happened was they thought of the Racoon Suit first (presumably for the tail attack and glide, though even that is a bit strange) and thought of the Tanooki as a super powered version and thought “Oh, we can make him turn into a statue”. Or maybe there’s something about Tanooki flying in Japanese myth and they just thought of that when they decided to make a flying Mario suit. The Racoon thing could’ve come afterwards, I guess.

>>5068045
>still racoon
>Literally completely unrelated species, from two different taxonomies
Are you retarded or retarded?

>>5068175
Because it's neither racoon nor dog, that's how.

Flying trash pandas that turn to stone are a big part of Japanese culture.... Duh.

>>5068143
Actually, it was reverse. Complains right and left were flying about the fact Japanese are pretty fucking sexist (and we are talking real sexism here, not some SJW bullshit), so naturally all sort of female characters in anime ultimately are reduced into house-wifes and not for the house-wife fetish, but simply as "know your place, woman". Unless, of course, they are moeblobs, but moeblobs serve the purpose of being cute and girly by default. Or how absolutely every single character must be ultimately a comformist with no spine (even if they are a rebellous type), because it's made by Japanese for Japanese, thus ultimately everything must be orderly and within existing norms, so know your place, deliquent. I particularly remember entire slew of complains thrown at Wolf Children (it just hit cinemas around that period), which has ending that pretty much says "If you are a girl and want to do things on your own - tough fucking luck, now back to kitchen; your brother is allowed whatever, becuase he has a dick". And it's so god-damn heavy-handed you had even waifu-sniffing weebs complaining about it.

Funny what stuff you can get on serious panel held in Polish university if moderator is shit.

>>5068118
And nobody is denying that, because the big part of the whole talk was how cultural differences shape perception of what is allowed in the first place (not a big discovery, but hey, panel with students, entire cirriculum based on Said's "Orientalism" and its impact and what not).
It was simply amazing how many people were ultimately unable to realise the fact they are pissed at something comes from the fact they come from different culture, but consume media produced and delivered by different culture. And a pretty distant one, which didn't have almost any sort of cultural exchange prior to '89, not counting the oriental craze of late 1890s.
Ultimately my point is how important it is to not only realise you are dealing with different culture, but then keep that in mind AND act on it. Otherwise all that you are going to achieve is salt.

>>5069106
Any animal in the family Canidae (canine) is a dog. Tanuki are dogs just like wolves are dogs, they're all in the same family, Canidae, which is the definition of dogs.

>>5069229
>Any animal in the family Canidae (canine) is a dog
Not even him, but please, stop, this is simply embarrasing. Canidae is a Family, which is not the same as dog - a Subspecies of Species called wolf. If English language somehow makes those terms equal, then I now understand what he meant by his rant.
It's like you would call everything within Hominidae Family a human.

>>5067995
>it's not a raccoon though, is it?
No, just looks quite similar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_dog

>>5069117
>. Or how absolutely every single character must be ultimately a comformist with no spine (even if they are a rebellous type), because it's made by Japanese for Japanese, thus ultimately everything must be orderly and within existing norms, so know your place, deliquent. I particularly remember entire slew of complains thrown at Wolf Children (it just hit cinemas around that period), which has ending that pretty much says "If you are a girl and want to do things on your own - tough fucking luck, now back to kitchen; your brother is allowed whatever, becuase he has a dick".
Well, that's the culture of the country, and as you've said it's going to be reflected in its media. If you don't want to experience the facets of foreign culture, you shouldn't be watching or playing it.

Japan is a special case because it's currently changing fundamentally to become more globalized due to many socio-political reasons.

>>5069106
Dude, he explained to you where the naming convention comes from beyond a reasonable doubt. Stop digging in your heels and just admit you were wrong.

>>5066936
>a part of Japanese culture originally came from India therefore it isn't Japanese

>>5069241
Canidae comes from canis, which is Latin for dog. It is, for that reason, often casually referred to as "the dog family." Tanuki are canids that look like raccoons. It makes perfect sense and is completely accurate to call them raccoon dogs.

>>5069014
Japanese in terms of sugar coated kitsch and idiotic gibberish.

>>5067220
>>5069483
>kistch

lol look at this pseudo-intellectual shithead using terms he doesn't understand. Super Mario isn't art, faggot.

>>5069364
... wrong about what?
Because now I'm sincerely confused the fuck you are trying to project here

>>5069409
Yup, English language is officially fucked. Alternatively, you just failed logic and taxonomy forever

>>5069764
This is simply what you get when your language picks Latin as "the language of science" and literally never evolves from there. Leading ultimately to mild case of Sapir-Whorf, because native English user is utterly incapable of understanding why people have issues with English naming conventions and classifications.

>>5069229
no, wolves are not dogs. they are wolves!

>>5069723
>Calling things kitsch is now pseudo-indellectualism
>Things can't be somehow kitsch unless they are art
>And only things that qualify as art are Fine Arts
2018, ladies and gents. 2018, because reading this single line I felt like I somehow visited 1790s Prussia, experiencing firsthand Kant.
You want to know why Kant had his retarded theory for art and reactions toward it? Because he was a teacher, whos well-being and profit depended on blind obedience and bowing to a infamously narrow-minded Prussian nobility, also infamous for consuming pretensional art in fuck-huge quantity.
Meaning the whole stuff around kitsch can be summed up in "things that doesn't cause uncritical orgasm". And uncritical orgasm can only be achieved by gazing on things that have been declared by an "expert" as True Art (capital leters).
And yet, in year 2018, I have to explain why Kantian idea of art is fucked and why, because apparently you've missed both modernism AND post-modernism in art and societal impact.

>>5069795
>kitsch can be summed up in "things that doesn't cause uncritical orgasm".


actual definition:

>>5069802
>Bring up Kant and his theory
>Retard goes for dictionary
No wonder this thread is about idiots arguing that racoons are dogs, just because they are in Canidae family

>>5069783
Wolves are wolves, but more generally they are also dogs.

>>5069813
Not arguing raccoons. Arguing tanuki.

>>5069783
no, humans are not apes. they are humans!

>>5069813
Raccoons are not members of the canidae family, tanuki are. And they LOOK like raccoons. That's why they are INFORMALLY known as "Japanese raccoon dogs."

>>5069795
>>5069802
Outside of art, "kistch" is only sometimes used to describe music or literature. It's specially retarded to use it to describe a videogame in particular because ALL videogames are just entertainment. There's no "high art" in the media to be compared to it.

>>5069352
>Japan is a special case because it's currently changing fundamentally
>Japan
>changing
>fundamentally
Different anon, but my sides are in space already

>Why is SMB3 more blantant with references to Japanese culture
>First reply is obvious troll bait, SMB3 is shit, Japan is shit, Racoons are/aren't dogs
>Everyone falls for it
Jesus fucking Christ you're all retarded. What a dumpster fire of a thread
I though /vr/ was meant to a more mature /v/, I guess fucking not

>>5069901
>I though /vr/ was meant to a more mature /v/
It's meant to be an imageboard for discussing retro games, and it is.

>>5069901
>Shit thread turns into shit
>Anon is surprised