/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5053295
Your favorite game is good.

Counter Strike is the worst thing that happened to FPS gaming.

I hate OoT and all 3D Zelda games.

>>5053295
Final Fantasy IX is fucking garbage, it was a massive step down in almost each and every aspect after the GODLIKE PERFECTION that was Final Fantasy VIII. It seems like Square just donwright topped out completely in their game developing skill with VIII, they've reached the absolute tip of the mount Olympus, made the most creamiest of the crops, so regardless of IX they could've only go down from there on and thus anything would've been bad since after the PURE PERFECTION that is FF VIII, but out of all games which Square made and released since after FF VIII, the honestly and absolutely unironically "bad" one turned out to be FF IX.

>>5053295
>>5053295

>settlers 2 is the only playable game in the series
>yoshi's island is a broken mess
>system shock 1 is an unplayable mess
>oblivion is better than morrowind
>fallout 1 is the worst one in the series
>seven kingdoms is an absolute patrician game
>die by the sword is ten times better than tomb raider
>3rd populous game is the best one

Blood is highly overrated since it almost drowns you with TNT. The level designs aren't that great, both Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior were way better.

All turn-based strategy games are either casual shit or RNG luckfests. They are about as much of a game as VNs.

Yoshi's Island is more tedious than fun. Even with crying baby noise removed.

FF4 is the most overrated game in the fucking franchise. Bland plot, forgettable characters, railroad gameplay with no option to customize your team ever, completely and totally outclassed by every retro FF that came before and after it. How they went from 3 to this piece of shit, I'll never know.

Castlevania SotN is the last released Castlevania game worth playing, everything after has been a carbon copy or otherwise garbage. Yes, that includes the shitty GBA Castlevania games.

Fighting games require quick reflexes, and the ability to input specific commands quickly. That's it. Anyone trying to pretend fighting games require developed skill or some form of strategy doesn't know the meaning of either word.

This thread is shit.

Donkey Kong Country 3 is the only SNES DK game that aged well. It still looks good, the other two, not so much.

>>5053469
>>fallout 1 is the worst one in the series
I would say that FO1 and 2 were always grossly dated, even back in the day. Compare them with RPGs of the 1990s, and they would look better when placed on 1993-1994.

>>5053592
>Fighting games require quick reflexes, and the ability to input specific commands quickly. That's it. Anyone trying to pretend fighting games require developed skill or some form of strategy doesn't know the meaning of either word
Typical scrubshit """""logic""""".

I loathe Pokemon. I enjoy all of Nintendo's franchises except this one.

Ocarina of Time is a great game, but it's not amazing.

>>5053363
Could you elaborate? I'm not a counter strike fan, but I'd like to hear what you have to say.

>>5053469
>>oblivion is better than morrowind
no

>>5053625
>I repeat the same 2-4 attacks non-stop, that requires SKILL
Typical fighting game fan """""""""logic"""""""".

The Saturn was better than the N64.

>>5053727
I agree with you

Mega Man X3 is a gigantic load of shit. The level design is abhorrent, the bosses are repetitive, forgettable, and just plain boring to fight, the amount of mini-bosses is simply repulsive, the music sucks, the weapons (including charge shot) are useless, and the Sigma stages are the most boring in the franchise. Also, Zero is pretty much unusable thanks to every enemy taking a quarter of your life bar.

X2 > X1 >>>> X3

>>5053678
I'm not a "fan", I'm a competitive tourney participator. Get the fuck out of here, scrubshit trash.

>>5053363
>>5053665
I'm assuming that he's saying that because most shooters took a more "realistic" or "tactical" approach last gen which was more CoD's fault than anything else.

not that it matters anymore because it's all about hero shooters & batle royals now.

>>5053750
>I'm not a "fan", I'm a competitive tourney participator.
and you'll never get top 8 because there are bigger autists than you higher up on the pyramid.

>>5053469
I like you and mostly agree, even if I absolutely adore Amazons' campaign from S3 and never understood the appeal of 7K

HoMM peaked with 2nd game, not 3rd. And 4th (yeah, I know, not retro) had the best campaigns in entire franchise

>>5053617
i love reading about the lore of the classic fallout games but like playing the 3D fallout games better.

>>5053746
I find the fact you like X2 more than X1 to be more offensive.

>>5053295
People who label their tastes in games with a specific time period are massive faggots regardless of the time period specified.
OOT isn't all that great and was above average at best.
3D on consoles happened too early. Should've waited a gen or a few years for the hardware to mature.
People are too harsh on games as a whole. I've never played a game that I never got the appeal of. Of course I've played bad games, but I can always find that one thing I really like in every single one.

>>5053746
here's an actual unpopular opinion. X3 is better than X4. at least X3 had final stages.

>>5054241
>Should've waited a gen or a few years for the hardware to mature.
Hardware and software mature together. They used what they learn in the previous generation to improve the next. Development takes steps, no one is going just wait for the perfect hardware to come out before programming for it. And by programming for it they learn the limitations of the hardware and what kind of improvements they would like in the next generation.

All the arcade horizontal scrolling beat-em-up videogames are simply bullshit.

>>5053469
>die by the sword is ten times better than tomb raider
And Quake is ten times better than Frogger, why the fuck are we making comparisons between completely disparate games in entirely different genres?

>>5054241
>3D on consoles happened too early. Should've waited a gen or a few years for the hardware to mature.
... so it would be shit a gen later, rather than gen earlier. How the hell you think the whole hardware and software developed? What? In the vaccum? Or because dozens upon dozens companies were working on it to be the first one to deliver better graphics?

>>5054548
Because he's a contrarian moron

>>5053673
>>5053469
Oblivion had more innovative quest lines but that's about it

The main Nintendo franchises all peaked during the SNES era and start nosediving toward mediocrity after that. If they were released as original IPs they would have been regarded as decent games; they really aren't as legendary on the N64 as people like to meme.

>>5053798
I've won several big championships and I win first and second places in regular tourneys on a constant basis, you lame scrubshit piece of trash.
My eight main disciplines of expertise are KoF, Tekken, SC, VF, GG, MK, KI, and MB. I participate in a lot of tourneys and championships by a lot of different disciplines, so my overall accumulated percentage of wins is massive across the board.

>>5054651
yeah sure thing and I'm a navy seal.

>>5054606
arin take your meds.

>>5053295
I got into playing JRPGs because of FOMO and I hate the genre.

the entire megaman series is absolutely shit and consists of bland, boring enemy designs and reused levels with bad action.

>>5054651
>disciplines of expertise

>>5054982
based

>>5053295

Total Annihilation: Kingdoms is an awesome game. Everyone hated it because Christ Taylor didn't personally jizz all over it when he walked away from Cavedog.

Arx Fatalis is way overrated. It feels like five guys trying to make the most uber-awesome homage to Ultima Underworld, getting about 60% of the way there and then deciding to wrap it up quickly because they suddenly got bored with it.

I prefer Doom 3 over Half-Life 2. I didn't mind the whole flashlight gameplay mechanic. If you don't like being in the dark, don't play action/horror games.

Of the Civ games, 4 (modded) is the best of the modern ones and 3 (modded) is the best of the older ones.

As much as I love Alpha Centauri, it has not aged well. I only play it now for the kitch 90s cyberpunk-y aesthetic.

Everyone loves System Shock 2 as though it just gave you the best rimjob in the history of rimjobs. It was a great game but I haven't played it in over 10 years and have no plan on doing so again.

Thief 1 & 2 were great games but they have aged horribly. Play "The Dark Mod" instead if you want an authentic Thief 1/2 experience using halfway decent graphics.

I like Portal 1 over Portal 2. Portal 2 was too large and left me wanting less, not more.

Prey (2006) was a way better game than it was given credit for.

Quake 1 was awesome for it's time but it has aged horribly. It is essentially an one-gimmick tech demo expanded into an entire game.

The only reason why I bother with the Elder Scrolls series are for the nude mods. If not for them, they (along with Fallout 3/NV) would be off my hard drive right now.

TRON 2.0 was an awesome game and a more fitting sequel than Tron:Legacy was.

I personally loathe the "All of the Vaults are really social experiments" in the Fallout franchise. It's for this reason why I only take F1 seriously and all of the other Fallouts (3/NV) only play for the nude mods and the mindless combat.

That's it for now.

I feel like SMW lacked the awesome variety of SMB3, so I never liked it as much. I also didn't like Yoshi (gameplay wise, he's fine as a character).

>>5055257
>Everyone loves System Shock 2 as though it just gave you the best rimjob in the history of rimjobs. It was a great game but I haven't played it in over 10 years and have no plan on doing so again.

SS2 still remains one of the most tense and scary games of all time.

>>5055257
>Arx Fatalis is way overrated. It feels like five guys trying to make the most uber-awesome homage to Ultima Underworld, getting about 60% of the way there and then deciding to wrap it up quickly because they suddenly got bored with it.
The amount of games to suffer a similar fate... CoC: DCotE was the exact same.

>>5053295

banjo kazooi is a shit collectathon for autistic children. the characters even sound like a fucking preschool kids tv show from nick jr.

>>5055257
Quake is essentially "Mapping: The Game"/"Userlevel: The Game". There is nothing to age there, the primitiveness and borebonesness are the integral parts of the point.

>>5053363
>the worst thing that happened to FPS gaming
is Half-Life
I'm serious

>>5053295

Some more:

I didn't mind Ultima VIII one bit & thought that it was a nice change of pace. Publisher interference & Ultima Online destroyed the single-player Ultima franchise.

I only enjoyed Starship Titanic because it was the last major, completed effort by Douglas Adams before he died. Otherwise, it's just another late 90s "I'm a little too difficult for my own good" 3d rendered adventure game.

>>5053363
>>5055287
You mean GoldenEye and Halo.
Basically consolefags are cancer.

>>5054651

Tits or GTF... Oh, wait.

On second thought, I completely trust you.

>>5055257
>Of the Civ games, 4 (modded) is the best of the modern ones and 3 (modded) is the best of the older ones.
While I agree on the statement, I'm confused how 3 is "older". It's not retro anyway and 4 is superior in pretty much all regards, aside maybe government settings vs. just having government (the vanilla ones from 4 are fucking horrible).
The series peaked with 4 (modded) and unmodded at SMAC.

>>5053295

I love the reCAPTCHA mini-game that you have to play in order to post. Failing to click all of the squares for the traffic lights is my favorite.

>>5055301

I had to make the "break" between older & newer Civs somewhere and that's where I placed it. Civ3 is the last of the sprite-based Civ games while Civ4 is the first of the polygon era.

As for SMAC, you won't get an argument from me.

>>5053464
I like VIII but I wouldn't go THAT far anon...

>>5054982
>>5055006
double based

System Shock 1 is unplayable.

Chrono Trigger has weak gameplay.

FF7 is unacceptable in its default form.

Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions is criminally underrated.

Mega Man X1-4 are style over substance. You have superficial choices from beginning to end. Once you know where everything else, there is no reason to go back other than nostalgia.

The only good retro Sonic game is Sonic 3 and Knuckles, and it's only decent.

The Japanese soundtrack for Sonic CD is shit and the only reason people like it more than the US version is because they're weebs.

Fallout 1 and 2 are slightly overrated.

Deus Ex is a more important landmark in game design than anyone realizes.

Thief 1 has god awful level design and half way through stops being a stealth game.

Half-Life 1 has god awful level design.

The NES wasn't very good. It's pre-videogames. Videogames only started in earnest in the 16-bit era.

>>5055257
>I prefer Doom 3 over Half-Life 2. I didn't mind the whole flashlight gameplay mechanic. If you don't like being in the dark, don't play action/horror games.
>Quake 1 was awesome for it's time but it has aged horribly. It is essentially an one-gimmick tech demo expanded into an entire game.

i don't get how you can knock quake for being a tech demo when doom 3 was literally a glorified tech demo.

>>5055287
I agree but HL2 was worse

>>5055335
Serious question, what are a few games that you consider good games?

>>5055335
>that NES comment

This is horrible, why would you say that?

>>5055287
>>5055293
>>5055339
the genre was already transitioning away from "doom clones" long before those games came out. if it wasn't any of those games it would've been something else.

>>5055335
>Deus Ex is a more important landmark in game design than anyone realizes.
Explain, genuinely curious

>>5055346
Half-Life was the first to start that transition to "movie like experience".

>>5055340
Sure, I'll be glad to field that question. Thanks for asking.

A good game promotes flow.

>You don't know what to do or how well you're doing = frustration.
>You know what to do, where to go, and how to do it, but it's not challenging = boredom
>You get to prepare before the challenge, have all the time in the world to do it, and you have tons of options = fun
>You're not sure how well you're doing and you're not sure what to do = shit game. There is no excuse for this. I paid my money, now entertain me. It's not my job to change my definition of fun so I can fit in.
>You know what to do, where to go, how to do it, but it's too damn hard and there's nothing you can do to mitigate the challenge = frustration.
>The game establishes the rules, then breaks or throws out the rules = frustration. (RE4 does this with the Ashley part, Thief 1 does this with the non-stealth levels).

Get my drift, Anon?

Graphics, story, presentation are icing on the cakee. That said, I'm not anti atmosphere. I think that's one of the things games do really well.

>>5053295
OOT is boring
Mario is not as fun as Sonic
Shmups and fighters are shit
The Saturn is the best fifth gen console

>>5055407
>Shmups and fighters are shit
>The Saturn is the best fifth gen console
how can a person simultaneously hold both these opinions. is this the kind of cognitive dissonance contrarianism inspires?

>>5055406
I heartily agree with this. So what are a few games you like or fit this criteria?

>>5055354
Good question.

You keep discovering things, like the game has a life of its own.

I know there are the memes, the "red pills", and perhaps it's in the same vein as MGS2. But...

The game's mechanics, while rarely malfeasant, allow you to look into this huge valley of options. If anything, allowing the player to make a bad choice only adds value because you have a reason to re-insert yourself and do it better. I still don't have my perfect Deus Ex build made out.

Some of the voice acting is something.

>>5055424
- Hagane
- Materia system in FF7
- Job system in various FF games
- Deus Ex
- System Shock 2
- Most good shooters insofar as you have multiple non-redundant weapons.
- Zelda 1 insofar as you can do dungeons out of order and you have a shitload of things to discover and since you don't have anything to track it in the game, you just have to explore. Although that's a bit trial and error, but hey it was NES.
- Streets of Rage 2 and 3
- Fallout 1 (but it's pretty punishing...I wouldn't blame you for using a guide for your first playthrough)
- Diablo 2
- Icewind Dale
- Street Fighter 2
- Super Mario Bros. 3
- Super Mario Bros. 2

Note there are games that don't fit this criteria that I play anyway just to unwind.

- Castlevania: SotN
- Zelda, LttP
- SMW
- Mega Man X1-4
- Etc

>>5055456
Thanks for the game list.

>>5055410
Shiturn had a lot of jarpigs and visual novels, too.

The NES is better than the SNES. It has better platformers, better run 'n gun and better RPGs.

>>5053592

>>5053295
Silver Surfer is fun

>>5055465
>better RPGs

Such as?

>>5055479
Hoooooly fuck I had someone go through all of these when I was kicking the shit out of him in League of Legends, claiming that Ashe "required skill" unlike Lux. Yeah, requires skill because she's completely fucking useless unless someone on the enemy side goes AFK.

>>5055323
It's not going far at all, it's simply stating factual truth of surrounding harsh reality. If you liked FF IX - you set your quality bar WAAAY too low.

>>5055293
You mean Time Splitters and Far Cry.

>>5055287
Why?

>>5053469
I just finished System Shock 1 for a second time a week ago and was great.

>>5055463
>21
>weaboo NEAT who plays erotica animu games on the sega meme console, shits on actual good games, that are actually fucking games.

the degeneracy here is astounding!

>>5055552
Dragon Quest 1-4

Mega Man games control like absolute dogshit. No exceptions.

>>5053295
That your pic is a pile of fucking trash and vastly inferior to its predecessor. Also, SS1 is the only good Shock game.

>>5055257
>Everyone loves System Shock 2 as though it just gave you the best rimjob in the history of rimjobs. It was a great game
Except it wasn't. As a System Shock sequel it's fucking trash.
>>5055271
>one of the most tense and scary games
Tension and scariness is all it has going for it. As an actual game SS2 is shit, and the only reason people say it's good is most likely because they think the poorly grafted on "RPG" mechanics somehow make it a more deep game.

>>5055335
>System Shock 1 is unplayable.
>I am too retarded to even play Enhanced Edition: The Post
Also, you'll learn to appreciate the original controls if you actually play it.
>Final Fantasy Tactics: Slowdown of the Lions is criminally underrated.
>The NES wasn't very good. It's pre-videogames.
Nice b7 m9

>>5055753
This may be unpopular among normies but in /vr/ it's basically fucking gospel

>>5055637
I thought it was alright, a decent game. It's a bit underwhelming compared to other games in the series because it plays it so safe.

>>5054651
Is this the new pasta

Jagged Alliance was always meme shit for complete edgelords. There is close to zero actual tactical depth into it.

The Genesis Classics are shit and clunky except its Beat Em Ups, maybe.

>>5053295
BioShock 2 is better than BioShock 1.

Here's a SS1 comment that is ACTUALLY unpopular: The game is super influential and innovational, really well made in many aspects, and I found the source port to the very easy to play.

The problem is that it's just fucking boring. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I played a ton, my game would crash pretty often so I got sick of that, but for how much I played, despite all the little immersive sim things it did and the good programming surrounding that and its innovation of 3D graphics and sound design, it's just boring. There's nothing to it. Earlier one you hear some clue and think "wait, I should write that down!", but no, you shouldn't, because you play the game pretty linearly.

It's a fucking dungeon crawler, an Ultima Underworld with better tech and a goofy colorful sci fi environment.

Also, as much as I love Thief 1, Looking Glass made the same mistake in it as SS1. Absolutely amazing sound design, amazing lore and atmosphere, amazing game conventions, but most levels aren't that well executed.

Thief 2 was the one where they really started getting good at level design.

Deus Ex is an example of good level design and taking full advantage of the whole 'immersive sim' philosophy.

>>5056439

To be completely fair, LGS hedged their bets on Thief 1 when it came to the stealth missions. We have to remember that Thief 1 grew out of a more action-oriented concept and there were still hints of that left over in Thief 1.

As for SS1, I disagree about boredom but agree about it crashing and "salting the fries."

Retro games show general progression in their quality with next part, since the dev team has better familiarity with their own tools and designs, rather than stumbling in the dark. A lot of them also listened to the feedback of their fans, further ironing down many aspects that made the next game better.
Thus SS2 is better than SS1, Thief 2 is better than Thief 1, Tomb Raider 2 is miles ahead Tomb Raider 1, Fallout 2 is better than Fallout 1... And anyone who claims the original games were "better" is just contrarian who thinks he will fit better into /vr/ by claiming horse-shit.

>>5053469
>fallout 1 is the worst one in the series
explain
>oblivion is better than morrowind
They are both orrible but explain, please.


I agree with the rest.

>>5056504
Not him, but let's try with Fallout 1
>Obvious tech demo of the script
>Brain-dead AI, especially in case of NPCs (who are outright broken by design)
>Very limited amount of quests
>Even more limited amount of gear
>It's very blatantly Wasteland: "We Couldn't Get The Rights" Edition
>Entire economy is broken, making the game unfun
>Retarded timer (I'm talking about the 400/500 days until "end game", not the starting limit for water supply) that adds nothing

>>5056618
*case of followers

>>5055271
>SS2 still remains one of the most tense and scary games of all time.
Most of the enemies can't deal with the high level tactic of 'walking backwards'.

>>5056618
Wasn't the timer removed with the first patch?

>>5055257
>so many (you)s for a faggot that only used buzzwords like "aged horribly" to substain his thesis
/vr/ you're really disappointing me

>>5054606
* Except for Star Fox

>>5056618
>Brain-dead AI, especially in case of NPCs (who are outright broken by design)
Correct, but enemy usually gets the job done.
>>It's very blatantly Wasteland: "We Couldn't Get The Rights" Edition
I don't care.
>Entire economy is broken, making the game unfun
Every fallout economy is broken.
>Very limited amount of quests
>Even more limited amount of gear
Thats not a flaw to me.
>Retarded timer (I'm talking about the 400/500 days until "end game", not the starting limit for water supply) that adds nothing
I didn't even knew that exist.

I understand you though, and by which conditions you judged the game. For me personally, Fallout 2 and 3 are the worst, not counting spin-offs. Didn't play 4.

Majoras mask is just a fad movement by hipsters to try and denounce OOT as the most popular Zelda game kinda like how FFVI autists tried to promote that game in any topic to denounce FFVII as the most popular game in the series back in the late 00s/early 10s. MM is boring.

I played Chrono Trigger for the first time last year... and was really bored. I stuck with it to the end and beat Lavos, hoping it would get better, but it never did.

I also beat FF6 for the first time early this year. It was much better than CT, but far from the best FF game I have played.

BTW, in general, I love JRPGs. My favorite is Xenogears.

Most 2D platformers where you can't easily generate convenient levels of horizontal speed are sort of obsolete.

>>5056913


wow you're nuts

>>5056913
Why did you held FF6 in higher regard than CT? I presume for story and characters? Gameplay was more tunnel-repetetive in FF6 from what I remember.

>Most 2D platformers where you can't easily generate convenient levels of horizontal speed are sort of obsolete.
Very interesting concept. Can you give some examples and counter examples?

>>5056949
>Why did you held FF6 in higher regard than CT? I presume for story and characters?

Yup, exactly. I didn't care for the story or characters in CT. The story is bland and the only character that had even a minimal amount of development was Frog. I just can't get into an RPG that much if I don't care about the characters, and the story is barebones. The battle system was slightly better in CT with its double and triple techs.

>>5053295
Plutonia is incredibly well balanced, the people who say otherwise are just bad. The game was made because people had grown too soft to doom and hadn't been given a fair challenge. The night I marathoned Plutonia in two sessions was so fucking exhilarating that I've never been able to play anything else since.

Maybe its just me. But I fucking hate blood. Not because its hard, but because to me it isn't as wacky and wild as Dick kickem 4D and Shadow SexOffender.But all lot of people love it

>And yes I did play the Original and BloodGDX and still hate it.

I don't see the appeal of Nights into Dreams. It was one of the first games I was itching to play after I bought a Saturn+modchip a while back, and while I liked the graphics and style and sound, the gameplay is literally just going through rings and collecting balls for time. I wish there were more to it than that. I want to like it, but I can't.

>>5053295
I find System Shock 2 to be kind of lackluster, it's mostly carried by the amazing ambiance and overall novelty factor. The RPG elements are supposed to be one of the big main draws of the game, but to me they're ultimately very arbitrary and often detract from the overall experience. For instance weapon durability adds nothing but meaningless busywork to the game, most weapons already have this limiting factor called "ammo" that they could've opted to make more scarce instead to achieve the same result far more cleanly, and if I was feeling really pedantic I could also bitch about how non-sensical it is for futuristic space guns to be falling apart after 10 minutes of use but WHATEVER. The levels are also rather cramped and tiny in my experience, especially compared to the first game or Thief (which ran on the exact same engine). I do get that they were trying to make a claustrophobic space ship rather than a big space station, but I personally prefer more open and exploratory maps in games of this sort. Overall I think it would've been better off if it was more of its own thing rather than a System Shock sequel.

>>5053295
FF8 is the best video game of all time

>>5057290
It's actually a generally accepted opinion, not unpopular at all.

>>5057078
This. Plutonia is one of the most meticulously crafted gaming experiences I have ever played. It didn't kill all other games for me, but it did kill Doom 1 and 2.

>>5053592
controversial is not just a synonym for 'retarded'

>>5057348
I concur. I preferred Freedoom 2 to Doom 2 for quite a while just because it was way harder and more interesting for that reason. Doom 2 had unique level design and great monsters added to the mix, but the levels they were used in were very tame and safe compared to what Plutonia and older versions of Freedoom do with them.

HALO ruined shooters by introducing concept of regeneration.

The N64 is a bad console with not many good games

Symphony of the Night is fucking boring. You wander around the castle filling out map squares and halfway through the first (non inverted) castle you become so overlevelled that combat is trivial. Good "troidvania" games have sort of a flow to their exploration, SotN does not.

>>5055407
>Mario is not as fun as Sonic
Which Sonic game is better or even on par with Super Mario 3. Because I must have missed playing it.

>>5055465
I agree.

>>5053746
>Music sucks
We said unpopular opinions... not completely shit taste.

>>5055465
>better RPG's.
Literally how?

>>5055357
You mean HL2?

>>5055753
I think SS2 could be made in the vain of SS1 now that 3d tech has gotten a hell of a lot better.

JRPGs fucking blow.

Dracula X is one of the best classicvanias.

Super Metroid is good, but not outstanding in gameplay, nor atmosphere. Even relative to some other 16 bit games.

Yoshis Island looks great, but has toddlers-only gameplay.

Chameleon Twist is an all time terrible game. Even as a little kid who liked everything I hated it.

FF7s story is in the MGS2 category of being constantly entertaining, but not worth taking seriously and trying to make sense of.

The abandoned mine thing in CV3 is only mildly tedious.

Late 90's PC RPGs aged like garbage too any one who wasn't paying attention to them back in the day and you would just skip black isle and play the new resurgence of the genre.

>>5053746
>this isn't an unpopular opinion

Almost all JRPGs are glorified clicker games with a (usually bad) narrative tacked on. I avoid them like the plague despite being the sort of autist who will play just about anything.

>>5053592
>Fighting games require quick reflexes, and the ability to input specific commands quickly. That's it.
you should try the naruto games. low skill ceiling for input but high ceiling for strategy

Although 1990s 2D games looked better than 3D games, I still very much preferred the latter, because for young me, 2D gave the impression of “laziness” and backwardness, while 3D might be ugly, but at least showed that the developers were making an effort

>>5055456
You, I like you and your posts have been of high quality

>>5060959
Hopefully you've learned that bad low poly 3d is actually lower effort then meticulously detailed and animated 2d

>>5061242
Even good 3d is cheaper than hi res, hi fps animation. Not to mention there's so many 3d assets now you can just buy them and have your art director touch them up.

Final Fantasy IV is boring as fuck

Dragonball xenoverse, raging blast, budokai tenkaichi are mindless, shallow clunky button mashers that suck. They dont even come close to having good mechanics.

GTA san andreas is not better than Vice city. (its still a good game though)

Crash Bandicoot 1 was the best crash game, it was pure platforming, not full of BS gimmicks. Crash 3 and wrath went too far.

Only 1/3rd of sonic adventure 2 is good (the sonic stages) and they arent worth having to play the other shit.

>>5053469
>system shock 1 is an unplayable mess
>oblivion is better than morrowind
>fallout 1 is the worst one in the series

All of these things are true.

>>5053625
>muh range and punish

>>5060316
Japanese story telling is just awful in general. Like they might have a great setting and premise but the delivery is repetitious, flat, overly descriptive and utterly devoid of subtlety.

>>5061467
Also one dimensional characters whose single trait must be hammered relentlessly into your skull every two lines of dialogue just in case it didn't sink in the first fifty times.

>>5058628
Mirror castle, motherfucker. You've clearly never finished the game, you piece of scrub shit. Also - Japanese version, especially Saturn's one, is much harder than US release.

>>5061438
You're a keep-away'er? I eat scrubfags like you in packs, during the breakfast.

>>5053295
MGS 1-3 controls are clunky, making games hard to enjoy.

Phantasy Star II has shit music and fisher price graphics.

>>5061673
I could understand the controls for MGS1, but when MGS2 and 3 came around, they really should've updated the fucking control scheme. It still baffles me how needlessly complicated things like stick-ups become and how you have to play twister with your fingers for something that should be simple.

>>5056689
The timer is a perma feature and it affects things in-game too.

>>5056765
See, the problem with Wasteland and the following 3 issues with the game is pretty simple:
Thye wasted a metric fuckload of time and effort on trying to make it as much Wasteland as only feasible, then having to scrap the whole project and start anew. Read - valuable projecting and programming time could be used for something better/useful/polishing what became Fallout 1 ultimately.

The only reason people even touch Nintendo games is nostalgia, as the company's output became completely stagnant by mid 90s

>>5056486
>Retro games show general progression in their quality with next part,
Ok, then explain:
>Thus SS2 is better than SS1
Because this is a blatant falsehood if you played both.

>And anyone who claims the original games were "better" is just contrarian who thinks he will fit better into /vr/ by claiming horse-shit.
Anyone who claims SS2 is a better game is both a contrarian and has never played either Shocks.

>>5061610
>Also - Japanese version, especially Saturn's one, is much harder than US release.
Nice meme. The only thing difficult about the shit ass Saturn port is adjusting to how they slowed the game down

>>5061714
step up nooblet

DOOM sucks, and the only reason it blew up in popularity from its smallish community for the last 20 something years was because of brutal doom, now the community fucking sucks and the WADs are getting worse, DOOM 2 is even worse with extremely shit level design. plus a new wave of faggots screaming LE RIP AND TEAR XD all over the place along with nu doom apologists add to the ever growing shit show and now people think they are 1337 for playing the most played game on earth
it was fun but once you replay it in a source port it gets too easy since the game wasnt made to be played with mouse aim

>>5061513

I genuinely think this is why so many people on the spectrum love JRPG's, because everything is overdramatic and overemoted to the extent where they actually comprehend it.

>>5063302
Don't put that shit on me.

>>5063121
But SS1 was a piece of shit with no tension and even more brain-dead AI than SS2, so what the fuck, anon? It has both worse narrative and gameplay.

>>5057373
This. Usually when people ask for unpopular opinions, they don't mean "because I'm too stupid to understand any of this shit so no one likes when I spew my retareded opinions." They want to see some legitimately different perspectives.

>>5063302
Same applies to anime

>>5063121
t. SS1 apologist

>>5063207
did john romero fuck your mom or something? nobody is this salty out of the blue.

>>5061616
yeah and my dad works at nintendo.

stop trying to act tough by lying on the internet.

>>5064121
Just tell me your nick in Rev 2's online rooms and I'll fight your sorry ass any day, faggot. Will utterly rape you.

>>5063395
>But SS1 was a piece of shit with no tension
Nice b8
>even more brain-dead AI than SS2
It was functional for 1994. SS2's enemies are fucking retarded for 1999.
>It has both worse narrative
It's ok to admit you never played either game.
>and gameplay
>falling for the "RPG" mechanics = better gameplay meme
lol
>>5063664
t. SS2 cuck

>>5055695
>>5055753
Agreed. Played SS2 first and it was ultimately too frustrating with little pay off. Maybe it was just my build, but I didn't care for it much. SS1 was damn fun and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Played Bioshock after and was bored to tears. o don't think I'll be able to finish Ultima Underworld, but Arx Fatalis looks nice.

>>5056772
I've played and beaten the first 9 FF games for the first time in order starting a few years ago. 6 was disappointing and 7 was actually fantastic and probably my favorite next to 5. Majora's Mask is just plain better than OOT though and all the other 3D zelda games have too significant flaws for MM to be anything other than best.

>>5064403
Imagine being so wrong, and yet so cock-sure of himself

FFV is the only actually fun of the saga

>>5065267
Imagine being so wrong with no argument.

>>5065292
Said the guy who's only argument is "HURRR SS1 BETTER, SS2 BAD DURRR"

>>5065321
Said the guy who's only argument is "HURRR SS1 NO TENSION, SS2 BETTER DURRR"

>>5065343
I'm not him, you stupid cunt. It's like you didn't even notice it's a double team beating your sorry ass

The Genesis had a garbage library and there were only a handful of games that could actually compete against the SNES.

>>5053606
I've always found DKC2 to have aged better.

>>5055336

Quake 1 was a pale shadow of what iD wanted it to be. Admittedly, part of that was just the tech at the time but the other part was that the story was next to nil. There was no motivation to continue on except to look at architecture.

>>5055335
>the only good retro Sonic is 3K
And how is 2 not?
>Japanese Sonic CD soundtrack is bad
Absolutely abhorrent opinion

Sweet home is alright but its easy and mechanics with limited inventory are annoying as you end up backtracking for specific items on your first play through. Ending was meh.

>>5053673
Oblivions quests were more polished , like for the thief guild but I have never experienced such a amazement like my first time in Balmora or Vivec

>>5053295
Zero Hour is the best Duke Nukem game.

>>5065759
there's famous quotation concerning stories in videogames and pornomovies
i fully agree with it

>>5055257
thought this thread was about unpopular opinions, not the absolute thruth.

>>5066881
>Ending was meh
There are shitton of them, since it plays exactly like first BIOHAZARD (first BIO was heavily inspired by SWEET HOME to begin with).