/vr/ - Retro Games

What was his fuck-up? I thought he stopped being involved with FF after 5 and ditched the company because it went bankrupt thanks to that shitty movie they made.

>>5049304
>saves company from bankruptcy
Meme. Square was in dire straits but they weren't on the verge of collapse. Final Fantasy was going to be Sakaguchi's last game, not Square's.
>makes one mistake
You mean
>squanders all that revenue from Square's PS1 hits by making pic related that it immediately bankrupts their movie department and actually convinces Enix to delay the eventual merger.
>immediately fired
You mean
>given a window seat where he still got Producer credit on FFX and XI while having no creative input on Suare's games that he gets fed up and leaves to form Mistwalker
Japan doesn't typically "fire" people you fucktard.

>>5049313
>What was his fuck-up?
You mentioned it
>ditched the company thanks to that shitty movie HE made.
Fixed
>I thought he stopped being involved with FF after 5
He still served as a "Producer" for most of the games, and wrote the original scenarios for VI, VII, and IX.

>>5049304
>fired
He left to form his own studio, taking a bunch of people with him. Everyone was fed up with Squre, they were a sinking ship.

>>5049304
You just made this same thread last month.

>>5049314
I saw this when it came out. I don't remember what was so bad about it. Can you remind me why it failed so hard?

>>5049878
>Can you remind me why it failed so hard?
I think it's because the graphics were very "uncanny valley" for its time, it was considered "too sci-fi" and of course, the writing was bad.

A bit ironic since the last two has been a Final Fantasy staple for a while but I guess series confidence was still high after FF7

>>5049878
It was just kind of mediocre and had high production costs. Additionally it was kind of weird doing 3d the way they did. Normies dont even like subtitles remember.

>>5049878
Looked boring and had nothing to do with Final Fantasy. I barely know anyone who saw it.

isn't it ironic that they complained about a cgi movie when every hollywood action flick these days are 90% cgi

>>5049304
Is that hairdoo what the japs would call a "murret"?

>>5049878

I still think it's an alright movie but it has next to nothing to do with Final Fantasy, that being in the title at all lead to the few people that did go and see it being underwhelmed. It should have launched as an independent franchise. If they really, REALLY wanted to have the Final Fantasy brand in there they could just make a film version of one of the games, at least that'd guarantee fans coming.

Realistically, they probably had no fucking chance to break even on this thing. For a regular film $85 mil at the box office was hardly a tragedy but unless this was going to pull Avatar numbers they were losing big money no matter what. I appreciate the tenacity of Sakaguchi to just keep trying new batshit ideas though, people thinking he was in any way the bad guy for wanting to push another medium forward is laughable to me.

People forget that The Spirits Within also sucked up money for other projects. Chrono Cross' second disk wouldn't have felt rushed if TSW wasn't taking money meant for it. I think Xenogears was a victim of TSW as well.

>>5049878
People expected an epic FF7 style film, instead they got ghosts in space. CGI movies were still a gimmick and seen as nothing more than kiddie garbage.

>>5049984
The whole premise of Cross was flawed from the start. No amount of budged would have fixed it.
Someone just had a hateboner for Toriyama and it shows.

>>5049304
Careful, Sakaguchi-rager is gonna enter this thread any second. Last Sakaguchi-related thread he wrote at least five or six paragraphs sperging out about the guy.

>>5049314
>Japan doesn't typically "fire" people you fucktard.

Shamed into resigning. Stupid passive aggressive tactic to save the company's "face".

>>5049984
>chrono cross lost money to a movie I legit enjoyed
>implying there was any way in hell that game was ever gonna be good with the sheer amount of retardation that was everything involved with it even to its basic premise

I like TSW and actually bought the bluray.
Fite me.

spirits within nearly killed square and forced them to merge with enix to survive

>>5049984

No, 'gears was a victim of FF VIII.

Same thing happened to Gunpei Yokoi, he made really good stuff like G&W, Metroid, Game Boy and then he made the Virtual Boy and had to leave Nintendo.

>>5050315
I was disappointed because it didn't feel very "Final Fantasy", but still enjoyed it. The visuals especially were amazing at the time.

>>5052120
gunpei left nintendo after they rushed the virtual boy to market in a completely unfinished state to free up funds and people to work on the equally rushed ultra 64. gunpei, and a whole bunch of employees, left nintendo and started a new company, in partnership with bandai, to design the wonderswan, where they had a lot more freedom to design what they wanted.

Why is japan so intolerant of mistakes? People make mistakes. Get over it

>>5049930
Exactly this. I was prime moviegoing age when this game out and was a fan of Final Fantasy. I passed because it looked boring and not like Final Fantasy.

>>5049878
if it was made today while still oozing every ounce of processing power for the most realistic graphics you can get out of cgi. it would probably be a blockbuster hit! as long as it looks fuckin cool, people dont really care how mediocre the story is anymore OWO

>>5053247
It's not necessarily about the quality of story, but marketability. Who was the audience for the movie?

Branding it Final Fantasy meant that the core audience was going to be people who had played the videogames. That's the people they'd have to sell first, then word of mouth could spread from there and if it had enough sheer entertainment value normies would have followed. But the movie failed to attract the core Final Fantasy fanbase and that's why it failed.

>>5049304
The Business mentality of the Yakuza. The best games from Japan came from with out corporate enthusiasm.

>>5053236
Rittre room for mistakes when you have armost no room for steep! And rittre room for eat. Rittre room in general, I wourd tell.

>>5049304
The Spirits Within was his pure autism fever dream. Why the fuck did he think that either the core fandom and general wide normie audience would watch an expensive borefest that is TSW? Why couldn't it have been live action or 2d anime with SOME CGI effects worked in instead? I know I know, he hoped his CGI waifu would be a star of other films but she was so bland and uninteresting she really wasn't worth the money. Fucking just should've done an animated FF4, FF6 or FF7 movie instead. Easy fucking cash there. But nooooo let's kill Squaresoft instead.

>creates biggest blockbuster series in a company full of them
>produces gem after gem, most of them being some of the most influential games of their time
>makes one budget mistake after being asked to make a game and a new-from-scratch engine at the same time
>immediately fired

>>5055539
>produces gem after gem
Policenauts.avi

>>5055651
Policenauts is great.

>>5049878
It was just kind of boring and talky, on top of not looking remotely like FF, despite Sakaguchi directing the damn thing.
>Can you remind me why it failed so hard?
Box office revenue, simple as that. It just tanked so badly and never recouped its production costs that it bankrupted Square's movie department.
>>5053236
Since you didn't read the thread let me yell it at you.

SAKAGUCHI LOST SQUARE A FUCK TON OF MONEY BY MAKING SPIRITS WITHIN AND IT DIDN'T RECOUP ITS BUDGET AFTER IT RAN IN THEATERS.

That's not a simple mistake, that's a colossal fuck up that Square probably didn't expect to come from the man who made their main cash cow franchise to begin with.
>>5055539
>makes one one giant budget mistake after another while sucking up resources from other projects and trying to hire Hollywood talent after being asked to make a game and a new-from-scratch engine at the same time
Fixed.

>>5049984
Xenogears was a victim of FFVIII

>>5055935

And Parasite Eve.

>>5055935
Xenogears was a victim of Takahashi trying to make a game more ambitious than the Final Fantasy games that had an even higher allotted budget. Takahashi made the same dumb-ass mistakes making Xenosaga. At least he got his act together after that.

>>5055651

Policenauts is fine. There's one guy here who relentlessly shits on it for being derivative or whatever but it's fucking Kojima, no shit.

>>5055825

Everything Kojima did was justified except the hiring Hollywood talent part. That legitimately was a stupid waste of money that alienated his own fanbase on top of it.

>>5056072
>prototype engine for VIII
>released before VIII
>victim of VIII
A retard-a-you.

>>5055804
>>5056252
The last hours (with the "moon clones for organs and SHEIT"-reveal) is garbage.
The ending is utter fucking garbage.
Third rate sci-fi space opera. A lot of B-tier sci-fi books used such shit waaay before HIDEO came.

>>5049878
The only reason it did so bad was because normies thought it was a "silly videogame movie", while fans didn't watch it because it was not FF7: The Movie. FF:AC was made for those people later.

>>5050315
I loved it myself. I definitely prefer it to avatar, which is normie fodder with its bright color and intergalatic isekai rom-com lowest common denominator plot.

>>5049984
>People forget that The Spirits Within also sucked up money for other projects.
It wasn't just that, Sakaguchi always funneled money and staff from other projects in order to fund his own babies, of course the /vr/ Sakaguchi defense force will never admit it, together with the fact that Sakaguchi never was the saint or genius they think he is.
>>5053236
>Why is japan so intolerant of mistakes?
Hard to be tolerant when your mistake nearly sinks your entire company, besides, he resigned of his own volition, it's not like they kicked him out like they did with Kojimbo.

>>5056710
I think most people who admire Sakaguchi also recognize his mistakes. Who else but his fans would bother to come into these threads pointing out all the unfortunate mistakes? You're the one who seems to have an irrational hatred of the man and obsession with industry gossip.

>>5049304
Hironobu is god

>>5056542

Xenogears fucknard, not VIII.

>>5056185

>At least he got his act together after that.

Xenoblade Chronicles: I know lets make my previous Opus's (Opai?) fantasy
Xenoblade Chronicles X: No...no, lets retell the WHOLE thing over again...and make everyone American!
Xenoblade Chronicals 2: Na, fuck that, lets have big tit fantasy!

>>5057994
There's a difference between artistic consistency and being able to finish a complete fucking game without JUSTing it.

>>5056547
it's no snatcher but it's still good. first half better than the second, i'll give you that

>>5057994
>>5058216

As much as I like Xenoblade it's story and world are no Gears or Saga.

Even in there unfinished state I still personally consider them better than Xenoblade.

>>5049304
Based on what we know, the man was involved in the creation of a lot of good games.

However that movie was NOT a good idea. They really should have started off making a movie based on FFVII. That would have been a guaranteed success.

>>5057269
>I think most people who admire Sakaguchi also recognize his mistakes.
Not really, otherwise these threads wouldn't exist, nobody but a bunch of nostalgic FF fans even care about Sakaguchi anymore after he consistently delivered nothing but garbage and fell into irrelevance despite being taken under M$' wing.

I bear no irrational hatred for the man, I point out undeniable facts, Sakaguchi was nothing but a pencil pusher tier producer with an inflated ego that eventually made him sink, exactly like many other people, the real talent was to be found in the people who worked under him.

You made this exact thread a month ago

in the japan game dev scene sakaguchi is kinda infamous for dropping serious coin at the hostess clubs in tokyo

>>5049304
Fired for being ahead of his time.

We are now ready for his ideas. Sony is going to merge their vidya and movie studios.

>>5058783

True, but also recall its a series that was either going to become FF VII or Chrono Trigger 2 or at least it has been said as such. Sora said the outline was supposed to be "A solider who has PTSD about some horrible thing that he had done".

>>5053236
It's more like why is the west so tolerant of mistakes, especially among the ruling class? You can be a middle management wagie and fuck up once and will be blacklisted from the industry. Meanwhile, the people at the top can drive a company into the ground and will still be given new opportunities. I can guarantee you that after Tesla crashes and burn Musk will already be signed onto another country.

>>5053236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTboGG7DMwU

>>5050146
its more of also giving the other person respect, you know upholding bushido

>>5053236
>Why is japan so intolerant of mistakes? People make mistakes. Get over it
The other option is doing what sega was/is doing with sonic.

>>5053236
actually japanese are intolerant of original ideas; if you have one, you better be ready to take the responsibilities

>>5060246
>It's more like why is the west so tolerant of mistakes, especially among the ruling class?
Because the ruling class decides who and what we tolerate, hope this helps.

>>5060246
It won't crash, his fame will just fade eventually. Hes literally richard branson.

>>5060820
>doing what sega was
Man, there is no company in video game history so hellbent on seeing itself get destroyed as Sega of Japan to Sega of America.

>>5049304
terra battle was a piece of shit and he had the fucking gall to release a "terra battle 2" and abandon the first game after all the investment people made
a fucking SMARTPHONE GAME

>>5060246
western games ceos are a total big boys club, you can sink company after company and still fuck your way around at the top

>>5061203
more like the ruling class decides on who they can bail out with your tax money

>>5061396

>The fucking 32x

There's literally no way they weren't fucking with America deliberately. It just doesn't make sense.