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>implying anyone has ever seen all of Daggerfall
Its kind of funny that modern gamers literally cannot understand that was the whole point.

>>5047890
youre right!

I think its a great game, its the elder scrolls i play most. if i had to complain legitimately i would have only a few complaints.

1) dungeons (while crazy and fun sometimes) do not fit the scenario 90% of the time. there should have been 3-5 templates for different quest objectives. like, for a manor, actually have it mapped out like a manor, not a multi dimensional death maze. everything is a multi dimensional death maze!

2) alchemy could be done much better! while gathering ingredients becomes rather easy and random... actually making potions takes you to a temple that has a potion maker. the ways i would have made this better, is exactly as morrowind works. you can gather plants from the region or buy them and find them occasionally on specific enemies. and adding a motor pestle/ alembic etc...

3) the UI could use major improvement!


other than that everthing is minor. I do love that Daggerfall tools for unity has been overhauled by being open source to a point. It has made it possible to have the best elders scroll ever made. imagine all the mods that will be made and have been made!

>>5047890
The world was big and empty and boring partly because of limitations of early procgen but mostly on purpose.
It allowed you the transgression of deviating from the main quest while giving you the tedius slog of downtime during adventures to well and truly simulate Tolkien's endless descriptions of grassy hillsides

>>5047890
It was procedurally generated shit...once you saw a dungeon and a town, you'd seen everything.

>>5047989
Unironically this. It just feels like a massive waste of time to me to do randomly generated quests in randomly generated dungeons.

Probably because they intended for there to be more simulation components; lords attacking other lords, armies marching, plagues, traveling merchants, sieges, stuff like that. World-altering events happening dynamically. But it didn't make it, so it's just a huge world.

I still like the game though. Maybe it'll change with Daggerfall Unity mods.

>>5047936
>The world was big and empty and boring

like every open world game then and now

>>5047890

This was one of those "Because we can do it" sort of games that used to be made by developers back when gaming limitations were real.

The game hasn't aged well (obviously) and neither has the strategy (with exceptions, isn't that right, Portal?).

In the end, it simply makes Morrowind look all the more better.

Is it viable to play a character with plate armor restriction? I'm scared i'll hit a wall later in the game.

>>5051604
By the time armor class would actually matter, the only stuff that can really hurt you is magic, anyway. It's fine.

>>5047890
I think it's probably this: >>5048107
I also hope that the Unity project will allow some more features to be added to that huge game world. As it is, at least the huge game world helps to provide the game with some of its tremendous atmosphere. Daggerfall really makes you feel like one man in the midst of an enormous world.

>>5047890
>make it out of privateer hold

>first quest & the guy says he doesn't even know where his ex-wife could be

How do you find missing people if all the towns people are walking look alikes?

>>5047901
Why are you shouting?

>>5052219
People talk loud when they want to sound smart, correct?

>>5047890
better

>>5052250
CORRECT!

>>5047901
I think the point about dungeon design is especially pertinent. They all basically look the same despite being called Towers, Laboratory, Ruins or whatever. Merely the texture differs depending upon the area you're in, and the creatures vary according to the name of the dungeon. It would be cool to explore an actual manor, and maybe one that isn't based entirely around combat but the more non-combative skills.

>>5048107
They might have been able to do that once oblivion rolled around but Todd went and did the fucking moronic decision of making sure that they could also build it around console limitations. And Bethesda games have been thoroughly neutered in terms of advancement and complexity ever since

>>5052326
>that skull

>>5047898
I still find it funny how every time you enter an inn/tavern you have around a 75% chance of seeing either a naked NPC of one wearing a skimpy cool cape

I wish they would rerelease Daggerfall and Morrowind on consoles. I don't have a PC, laptop or Xbox and I'm really interested in the series.

>>5053918
So just buy an Xbox for 40$ m8 it's not that hard to go browsing around your local flea market or thrift store and finding a working one

Is arena worth playing for historical purposes

>>5053918
>phoneposters

>>5053918
I once tried to map Daggerfall to an Xbox 360 controller just for the hell of it. It's im-fucking-possible. The control scheme makes use of so much of the keyboard, there'd be no way to have it remotely playable on a console without going into the game and adding some sort of multi-tier action wheel ala Temple of Elemental Evil, which would make the game even more cumbersome to play.

>>5052158
keep a journal irl and ask people for information in game then search on the map to plan a route and make all the preparations to meet the deadline

>>5047890
I remember the manual chiding people for savescumming in RPGs to correct any mistakes they make. I think one of the reasons they made it so big is that they wanted you to live with all your mistakes but still have plenty of safe places to go in the world.

>>5052374
no one gave a shit about TES until it released on consoles.

>>5053918
Nigger, a fucking potato prebuilt can play every ES game fine. These are not games built for console as >>5055217 said.

>>5053905
that's a whore.

>>5056151
it never crossed my mind actually

>>5055184
For historical purposes, certainly. For fun-having purposes, less so, Daggerfall is an improvement in nearly every way.

>>5055184
>historical

it's still a blast to play in it's own way

>>5052374

>but Todd went and did the fucking moronic decision of making sure that they could also build it around console limitations

That's not an excuse for what they did, though, unless you count the general IQ of the expected audience as a limitation. By that I mean that Elder Scrolls games after Morrowind are designed for (and possibly by) stupid people.

>>5055184

No. Me and a friend decided to play through all Elder Scrolls (main) games in sequence, and we both found Arena to be a real slog. It's far too long and samey.

>>5051604
just go H2H & go to town on anything that come's across your way

>>5055184
Historical yes, and it's even fun at times, but actually playing through to the end isn't worth it. Boring and repetitive.

>>5056343
It's a crappier Ultima Underworld with worse tech despite being released 2 years later

How's the unity port doing?

>>5058118
>How's the unity port doing?

A fan project that got publicly announced before it's actually released in a completed state onto the internet? And the IP holder is Bethesda? It doesn't matter how it's doing; it's fucking done.

>>5058118
it's almost done m8

>>5058118
>>5058148

please see https://www.dfworkshop.net

>>5047890
I remember that each time I made a new character I'd move to different city/country and made it my homebase. It actually kept the game more fresh than others.

>>5058215
nice

>>5052158
>How do you find missing people if all the towns people are walking look alikes?

You... ask them.

>>5047890
I DO, I DO APPRICIATE IT ALL AND PLAY BI WEEKLY!!!


but if you are a weak nigger of the millinial age, then go fuck yourself in the fake rape hole you larp as bieng... fuck you

>>5058349
Nigga, I'm a Millennial and Daggerfall is one of my favorite games. Fuck off with that shit.

>>5048107
yeah most of the planned features were cut because bethesda couldn't afford to not release it early

>>5053905
>>5056304
The game was originally supposed to have marriage & sex (and buying sex as well). The unfinished code was removed, art not.

>>5058960
So all those Oblivion and Skyrim mods are actually just bringing the series back to its roots?

Is Daggerfall the best game in the series?

>>5059092
No, maybe if it had been finished, but it's not as fully realized as Morrowind and Skyrim.

>>5059092
yes

>>5058425
How were you able to play video games at the tender age of 14?

>>5062392
Is this a new meme with the cool kids or something?