/vr/ - Retro Games

Frist

>>5047023
>That's a shame, it looked like a pretty cool little thing. I guess I'll take it to repair but dunno if it'll be worth it sometimes it's more expensive than buying a working one

It could be something simple, and it could be complex. If you are not familiar with the inner workings (I am not either) it is very simple to find another CRT....however, a smaller CRT with component imputs may be worth having fixed.....It is up to you....I found that Svideo and Component are very similar...The only system that I can check against is my wii running emulation component vs svideo and I can't tell the difference.

It all depends on what you are looking for. If its a good set, keep it until you find a way to fix it. It could be some simple thing, and it could be complicated.

Does anyone know why the onscreen menu on a pvm would yellow? I'm talking about the white letters that come up on the screen when you change the volume or any other setting. The on screen menu just seems darker in general, but the picture on the tube is otherwise the same. Also, the volume seems to be dying, if that's of any help. (Maybe the two are linked?)

>op was eager for new thread just to post a troll image op

>>5047046
Yeah that's what I thought but dunno, guess I'll have it stored for a while and think what to do about it. I wouldn't mind it being a little bit bigger but 14" seems pretty good for everything ranging from nes to the wii or ps2

I bought a shitty 14" trinitron since I couldn't find anything else. I wonder if it has any use or I will be throwing it to the garbage after one week, I haven't even seen such a tiny screen in years. At least it was extremely cheap.

>>5047070
Yeah fuck this shit. I'm posting in the old one until it drops off the board.

>>5047075
>>5047090
14s are fine if you sit less than 1m from them and they slide under the wife radar

>>5047030

yeah, how much radiation do CRTs actually produce?
especially the larger ones 25inch+

its probably pretty bad
especially when you game for hours on end

>>5047070
>>5047109
crtgore OP pics date back to the early days of the general, deal with it

>>5047090

They're perfect for one room apartments.

>>5047125
>yeah, how much radiation do CRTs actually produce?
>especially the larger ones 25inch+
Contemporary sets? None.

>>5047127
I object more to the senseless early posting. The other thread has plenty of life left in it.

>>5047127
It's not the gore, just the fact that you refuse to wait until there's an actual need for a thread.

Once a thread hits bump limit, it can go up to a full day before falling off the board. Wait until page 8+, not the limit itself.

>>5047165
>not the limit itself.
You can bake the next one then. Hows that?

>>5047163
>>5047165
I'm not the OP and I'm only replying about the gore pic. I don't care about earlyposting on slow boards, slow boards are precisely where when you post your shit doesn't really matter. As long as you've waited for bump limit on the previous thread you've done your due diligence as far as I'm concerned.

>>5047184
>As long as you've waited for bump limit on the previous thread you've done your due diligence as far as I'm concerned.
The thread hit 500, and I created a new thread. This is 100% acceptable to me (I am the OP). Anyone who is going to bitch about it can bake the next one. Instead of being glad that someone who loves CRTs and retro gaming is helping keep a conversation active.....but instead they just pilpul inane arguements about timing and punctuation.

Anyone who wants to bake the next thread just say so. I will gladly pass the torch.

>>5047135

you don't know how electricity works my friend

as i said, it's probably pretty bad

>5047195
lol @ holier than thou attitude

>>5047123
But gramps how does her son like it?

>>5047214
>lol @ holier than thou attitude

You are baking the next one.

>5047232
maybe, I do have an idea for an op image

>>5047125
8 hrs/day for one year is less than eating a banana
radiation does not work the way that you think it does

>>5047245
>maybe, I do have an idea for an op image
I am not baking the next one, since you volunteered.

I think you will do a terrible job since you don't even seem to know how to quote properly.

I'm amazed by how assblasted some anons are when they don't get (You)'s

>>5047046
it might not be a big difference on the wii but component is a lot better on ps2 and xbox

>>5047301
>it might not be a big difference on the wii but component is a lot better on ps2 and xbox
Certainly are correct. Wii does output 240p. I know that my xbox does not, and its minimum is 480i. It should look better at 480p. I don't know anything about the PS2....is it 480i most of the time?

Reposting from last thread since it died shortly afterwards and I'm holding out hope that someone knowledgeable will see this.

This monitor (on the right) refuses to use internal composite sync unless choose PAL mode with the switch. This is problematic because I live in America and all my consoles are NTSC, so this causes the screen to be monochrome and vertically squashed. If I feed it its own composite video output as sync, then select external sync, it will sync in NTSC mode, but the portions of the image that should be white are black. I'm totally stumped here. Has anyone encountered this before? It's an Ikegami TM9-1D.

>>5047342
I know it's capable of displaying white, because it does that just fine when it's in PAL mode.

>>5047171
I'd have no issue with that, or anyone else making it. Only thing that bothered me is being told to hold off to make it a bit later by more than one person, and it being done up early anyway.

Either way, more meta-convos aren't really doing anyone any good.

Post tubes.

>>5047346
I've had weird cases where you'd get whites showing up as straight black when feeding a source that for whatever reason didn't have ground connected. I'd find it hard to believe that it'd only crop up when looping through for sync though.

Have you tried futzing with the "AFC" switch on the back? With my Ikegami, I had some weird issues with composite input when that wasn't toggled in the correct position.

>>5047371
>Have you tried futzing with the "AFC" switch on the back?
That switch doesn't seem to do anything for me, I don't see any change between having it on or off.

>>5047371
>I'd have no issue with that
Good. Glad to see someone step up to help. I made the last 4? I have had enough of helping for a bit.

>>5047371
>>5047408
I just played with it a little more, when I don't have external sync connected and it's set to NTSC, and the monochrome, inverted image is scrolling past diagonally, the AFC switch changes the speed with which the image scrolls past.

>>5047371
>I've had weird cases where you'd get whites showing up as straight black when feeding a source that for whatever reason didn't have ground connected. I'd find it hard to believe that it'd only crop up when looping through for sync though.
This is happening for composite input from both a Wii and a Dreamcast. I should clarify that the white-->black issue is happening whether the video is being looped back in for sync or not, so the sync issue is probably separate. How did you resolve your grounding issue?

>>5047371
>Only thing that bothered me is being told to hold off to make it a bit later by more than one person, and it being done up early anyway.
Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?

>>5047437
Actually connecting up ground. Was messing around with getting RGB from a Genesis without the proper cable; The way I had ground connected was iffy at best.

I'm sure you've already tried it, but do make sure that color off and blue check are both off; Can't see how that'd only apply to NTSC sources though.

Currently glancing through a service manual for what I'm pretty sure is the JVC version (or similar) of the same monitor to check some stuff.

If you want to look through it yourself, it's right here:
https://files.catbox.moe/5pkd8x.pdf

>>5047248

actually it does
having a light gun pointed at your face is not good

there is surprisingly little info on this subject

>>5047538
>actually it does
Please provide proof of claim, or be prepared to have your irrelevant opinion discarded.

Is there any way to mod a black and white crt to one with color?

>>5047572
>Is there any way to mod a black and white crt to one with color?
No.

>>5047584
fuck

>>5047586
well you could put a color tube+chassis inside a B&W cabinet, but that's more than mere modding

>>5047538
I was wrong, it's 1 year of CRT = 10 bananas
but still less than you get in a day anyway

>>5047618
>10 bananas
I eat 20-30 bananas every month at work. I also love my crt. I don't glow in the dark yet...what am I doing wrong?

>>5047572
Practically speaking, no.
It has been done however. Interesting bit of history.
http://www.earlytelevision.org/cbs_color_converter.html

>>5047618
>unless it's a bannaphone
that got a chuckle out of me

>>5047510
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Composite video shouldn't normally have a ground connection, should it? Thank you for the service manual, I'll look more closely at that tomorrow.

>>5048038
Eeeeverything like this needs a ground. That's what the outside ring of the RCA connector is for; That's the ground conductor, and the center is your signal. Not an electrical engineer, but I believe the reason why all the whites get screwed up is without a ground pin, there's no reference for the video level, so the amp or whatever it's being fed into just shrugs and spits out whatever.

>>5047090
Okay, I already have the TV but I'm finding problems trying to center the image. It seems it can be done through the service menu, but to get in there you need a crazy combination of bottons that's different for every TV. Of course I can't find mine anywhere.

I got a PAL Trinitron and I have this annoying problem;
tried it with a SFC, works perfectly, but then the Ps1 only shows black and white. I deduced the reason is the RGB Ps1 cable does RGB but also composite signal, so the TV chooses the composite and fucks any NTSC game I put on it.
Then I should just change the signal... but I don't know how to do it. The TV manual shows something but it just doesn't work. There's any easy way to do this or I'm just fucked?

>>5048338
Using SCART? The switch to RGB is automatic through pin 16. You sure your cable is proper RGB?

>>5048338
You can't usually switch signal formats used by the SCART input on the television itself, that's handled by voltage on pin 16 as >>5048431 pointed out.

You probably bought a ching-chong-nip-nong cable which doesn't adhere to the Peritel standard. Either modify what you've got or buy a decent one.

>>5048520
why would you need a zener.

>>5048526
No idea, never seen that modified schematic before.

Here's the usual one.

>>5048065
Gotcha, thank you for your help. When I get home tonight I'll experiment with that. I saw a point that was labeled as ground when I had the thing open a few days ago, I'll alligator clip the outer bit of the RCA connector to that and see if it helps, and if it does I'll start exploring a more permanent solution.

>>5047317
PS2 is 480i most of the time with some 240p and 480p games

Just found a Panasonic CRT in good condition for free

>>5048673
That looks like a pretty nice one anon, good find. Where'd you come across it?

>>5048673
>Just found a Panasonic CRT in good condition for free


NICE!>>5048779
>That looks like a pretty nice one anon

Its a broadcast monitor? Either way, it looks really great. Sounds like OP got a great price on it too.

Rate my CRT

>>5047317
Some games had 480p like Black and Outrun Coast 2 Coast, and Gran Turismo 4 has 1080i available. Other games like Okami and Ratchet & Clank and Sly Cooper have 16:9 high resolution modes, what that resolution is? Dunno, it doesn’t say.

The component cables for PS2 worth it, especially since PS3 component cables work for it too since they’re the same, and PS3 component cables are dirt cheap and you can still find them brand new.

>>5048673
excellent!

>>5048797
im impressed.

>>5048779
I work in surplus for a university. Apparently they just brought it in last Driday. I had a JVC version of one of those, also from surplus but this one is in better condition so I swapped it out today.

>>5048797
did you see this on lgr?

been wanting to try some stuff like this. ill post pics in a bit!

>>5048526
>>5048535
Aspect ratio control.

>>5048431
>>5048520
I've been using the same cable to play JAP/USA games in other pal tv's for years, of course the first thing you could think would be that it's not a real RGB cable, but that's beyond any reasonable doubt.

using the grid in 240p test suite, what am I supposed to calibrate to? the screen edges where the red dots are? and which grid do I even use?

This anon >>5043150 again, I'm pretty sure it's this 20microFarad, 20Volt capacitor that's causing my problem. Now to replace it.

>>5049629
Derp, 22microFarad, 16Volt*

>>5049748
>>5049754
wtf what a mess. Target practice?

Anyone have any pictures of the front micro switches for a Sony PVM? Like the ones under the menu and select buttons. I am wondering what type they are because some of mine are acting up and I might need to replace them.

I think the board in most PVM's is the F board. It also contains the volume knob as well.

>>5049754
Im a HUGE fan of shooting nearly empty spray paint cans...I do like the shaving cream also. What a great use for an old/non-working set. In all my years of going to the range, I would never have thought about shooting up a TV. Wow.

>>5049295
That's on pin 8 though and the diode runs from RGB blanking to audio ground

>>5049374
Measure pin 16, make sure at least 1.5v is there.

>>5049847
CRTs are filled with dangerous material. Just bring it to a recycling plant.

>>5049847
Is was my friends old sharp 27 inch. It was kinda nice, but it had some melted spots on the back of it so we shot it to hell.
That model 32” sony wega was a piece
Of shit. They used crappy plastics and it just had to die as well.

>>5049884
>CRTs are filled with dangerous material. Just bring it to a recycling plant.
I would obviously. I am no litter bug. I still would enjoy blasting the hell out of an old CRT.

>>5049886
>They used crappy plastics and it just had to die as well.
What kind of range did you take from it? Did you give yourself enough distance to hear it pop separate from the muzzle blast?

>>5049908
It was a friends property out in the outskirts of town. about 50 yards

>>5049937
>It was a friends property out in the outskirts of town. about 50 yards
How big a pop did it make?

hi /crt/
exciteds to share a photo of my crt.
>Sony KV-27S42
>wii vc thru s-video

Is this a fair price? It has DVI-in and component in. It goes up to 720p/1080i.

>>5049967
HD CRTs aren't good for retro. It still looks about as pixely as an LCD screen and has some input lag. I speak from experience

>>5049958
Get some component cables

>>5049958
Is good

>>5049981
thank you
>>5049979
unfortunately the tv doesnt have component

>>5049945
It wasnt louder than 3 ar-15s going off simultaneously. And with hearing protection on i couldnt hear the crt pop:(

>>5049967
Thats a ripoff. You can find those for free all day on CL & letgo & nextdoor and shit.

>>5050005
Looks dim to me

>>5047030
>>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
I made an attempt. Also is the new crown jewel of my collection.

>>5050019
So this thing only takes SCART?

>>5050006
>And with hearing protection on i couldnt hear the crt pop:(
This makes me sad, but I am glad to find another sportsman who protects their hearing! Keep up the good work. Putting down a CRT must be like shooting your horse.

Have an OLD photo of my "desk" from when I was in the process of sorting and boxing prior to a move.

>>5050023
>So this thing only takes SCART?
Also takes Composite via RCA + BNC, and has a Digital RGB connector.

There's some US-specific models built on the same chassis, but their connectors are much more exotic and not plug-and-play with SCART breakouts.

>>5050013
i think it's because >>5049958 and >>5050005 are Wii VC not real snes

here's a photo from the PS2
i also increased camera iso from 50 to 125

>>5050030
idk why my name is a /g/ thread lol

>>5050030
It shouldn't be that different for SNES at least

>>5050005
27 inch consumer trinitrons have such a distinctive look
nice photo

>>5050037
I havent tweaked the osd options yet but i dont think it'll get any brighter without looking washed out. tv is almost 18 years old now after all.

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>5050312

>>5049295
as >>5049850 said, pin 8 is AV switch with AR control.
A zener might be useful for consoles with unregulated voltage (the Jaguar is like that), but you will never get more that 5v on PS AVOUT so the voltage divider is plenty fine.

Using CRT Emudriver to get 15khz from an older AMD card

it works, but in Retroarch when I select 'start in fullscreen mode' in the video options, the signal suddenly changes from 15khz to 31khz for seemingly no reason

Is this familiar to anyone
Is there something I can change in the config to avoid this?

I noticed on this KV-20V80 shows red lines on a crosshatch pattern.

Would replacing capacitors help this problem? Would it help with contrast? I have the contrast maxed and its decent but more would be nice. Already adjusted the screen volts.

I've also noticed the geometry is a little wonky when say a thing doesn't take up the whole screen but has bright whites.The sides will warp

>>5051305

And the rings which I assume I have to adjust if I want to get the convergence in check. I would have to cut the epoxy.

Not sure which ring I should adjust since I know one is for purity. I should probably mark it with a marker? It seems like the blue is out of alignment on the left half of the screen.

This isn't a big priority to me since I have other tvs.

>>5051309
>I should probably mark it with a marker?
You probably should matchmark it . It will give you an idea of how far it moved.

>>5051305
Does the service menu on that set have convergence adjustments? I would start there before the adjusting the rings.

>>5051615
Even newer consumer sets rarely have any sort of convergence adjustments, and the few that do are mostly on the higher end. An older (mid 90s) black cased Sony is extremely unlikely to have any sort of convergence controls in the menu; Doubly so on a 20'' model.

>>5051309
>>5051305
The pair of rings closest to the front of the tube are the rings for purity, the other two affect convergence across the entire screen. I agree with the match mark suggestion.

You accidentally deleted the post with the crosshatch, but bringing it up on desu, you might be able to dial it in a bit better but I wouldn't expect miracles. It looks like part of it is decently converged, but other points could be cleaned up a bit. The big issue is in getting what isn't that great better, you'd be moving the portions which are in decent shape as well. If it's towards the edges (can't tell from the sideways, zoomed in shot) you could potentially get some convergence strips/disc magnets and work on just the problem areas.

Caps wouldn't be likely to help out with convergence. They could, however, help to clean up that warping geometry issue and possibly get you a bit of brightness back.You're dealing with a 20+ year old set with who knows how many hours on it at this point.

>>5050019
I envy you anon.
I'm looking for a model like that one as well, but alas, No luck so far.

>>5051894
>>5050019
I also envy you. I like yours better than mine. Quick question: does yours have a horizontal size option? Mine does not.

>>5047030
I actually imagined my self in this dump, trully the Holocaust
https://youtu.be/YqVRcFQagtI

>1990 32" Sony Trinitron XBR

Has really nice audio, was lucky enough to get the whole setup: two speakers and a sub that sits on top of the back of the TV. Great picture, but maxes out at S-VIDEO.

But

>every so many minutes the picture will go blurry for a second and then readjust back to normal
>also when using composite (which I rarely do) the brightness fluctuates slightly (best way I can describe it, it is kind of like when you would run composite through a cheap VCR except the effect here isn't as bad)

wat do? I really don't want to have to open it and adjust shit or anything like that since I have never done it before. Hoping to just need to adjust in the service menu. I was thinking maybe it had something to do with VFRE but not really sure, I am a novice with CRT servicing.

>>5052129
FRICK shit phoneposting nigger sideways

>>5052042
>Quick question: does yours have a horizontal size option? Mine does not.
Alas no, just H center + V size. Though IMO, KV-1311CRs are still plenty nice as long as you're willing to deal with the meme connector for RGB.

>>5051816

Yeah I deleted it cause I wasn't trying to show the convergence, but show the vertical red lines/brown lines that happen. The picture now shows it but it is better looking in person. Blue seems to be off ever so slightly. I mainly notice the blurryness in white text.

What does matchmark mean? You mean draw a marker through all three of them at the 12 o clock position so I can return them back should I mess up?

It is converged ok but mainly I just wanna mess around and see if I can get it better.

Everywhere except like 4-6 squares in the middle are almost converged great. It seems to be off just by a tad, mainly the blue to the left.

Would just like to learn and mess around with this. I have nothing to lose really. I just use this for DDR/potentially mod it for RGB if I can dial it in better and fix that line issue.

Also need to grab a external deguasser cause the top 1/4 left side corner needs it badly. Its always been like this. Any recommendations? Only one I see is a chinamanese one on ebay for $17. Not sure if its good or powerful enough (and it states its 220v lol)

>>5052129
>every so many minutes the picture will go blurry for a second and then readjust back to normal
Does it make any sort of noise when it does this? I am no expert, but it sounds like something is failing. Could it be a flyback transformer? You may need to consider either becoming a service person, or becoming a garbage guy. 1990 was 28 years ago also. Personally, I would write it off and give it a good Christian burial.


>>5052129
>I am a novice with CRT servicing.
You may want to start shopping around Craigslist etc. My brother just picked up a 36" xbr for free. I know good sets are out there if you got the muscles to move it. Ask to see the service tags, because you can find a newer set. I just picked up a 2004- 25" the other week....it also is just Svideo, but the set is newer, and I can tell from the quality of the picture that it wasn't used all that much. The place that was selling it clued me in that the owner didn't have it long before they kicked the bucket. The set just sat around for the last 10 years. The picture looks outstanding.

Whatever you do, be careful inside of your unit if you choose to go there. There is dangerous voltages, and if not discharged, can be fatal. Good luck my friend!

>>5052323
No sound, the guy I got it from had replaced a lot of parts in it, some that he said weren't even failed/failing but just most likely to fail. I did have a newer 2003 14" but it was limited to composite and the picture was pretty bad even with tweaking.

>>5052127
>I actually imagined my self in this dump, trully the Holocaust
Shut it down, the goyim know!

>>5052327
>the guy I got it from
If you got this set fairly recently, I would consider it a loss. Something is fishy about "Replacing things even if they didn't need it". It has that "Used car dealer" smell.

>>5052129
First problem sounds like bad juju, try sprinkling magic powder on it.

Second problem, does it happen with all composite sources regardless of cable? Are you running anything through a switch or splitter?

>>5052336
idk man the guy was a real fucking nerd. He seemed pretty knowledgeable and had his garage full of CRTs from consumer to PVM

which one is better for text editing?

>>5052372
>idk man the guy was a real fucking nerd. He seemed pretty knowledgeable and had his garage full of CRTs from consumer to PVM
Perhaps he could help you troubleshoot it. I get a "new" crt about once a year....though I currently have 2 really decent ones, so it may be a while again, but they are cheap enough to replace. I don't value any consumer CRT more then $20. They are still somewhat common in most sizes.

>>5052379
At high enough res it doesn't matter

>>5052386
here's mine at 1280x1024 @ 60hz
it's interesting to see the dots when zoomed in. i wonder how the aperture grille at same resolution would look

>>5052393
>i wonder how the aperture grille at same resolution would look
I wish my GDM wasn't upstairs in storage right now, or I would give a photo. Looking at this close, I almost think the shadow mask looks more clear.

>>5052393
reminds me of a Samsung I finally swapped out last year that I was running at 1280x960@60

>>5052408
At higher resolutions dot masks can and do edge out AG in regards to sharpness, depending on the given dot/stripe pitch.

Not my preferred image to compare, but the only decent shot I have of my old Dell before it died.

Here's 2 lower end, 16'' 70khz limited sets.

Top is Dell e770s
Bottom is Sony HMD-A240

Both were likely running 1152x864p75; If not, 768p85

>>5052424
>At higher resolutions dot masks can and do edge out AG in regards to sharpness
I have never owned a shadow mask, but the more I see of it here, the more I will be looking in the future. The picts you provided look great. I don't know which is which by looking at a model number, so I will give my opinion on the image:

The bottom one looks better. As close as the image looks to the screen it is really close. I think I like the darker shades in the bottom one. It seems less washed out.

>>5052432
Tops is dot (shadow) mask, bottom is an aperture grille.

It's not the best comparison given how thoroughly used and worn out the Dell was at the time of that photo, but it's the best I can offer for PC CRTs. I've got multiple higher end PC sets, but they're all AG; Would love to find a nice high end dot mask set.

Need to set up my JVC pro monitor and take some comparison shots of it against the L5.

>>5052440
>Tops is dot (shadow) mask, bottom is an aperture grille.
Wow. They are so close, that it was hard to tell. It may be more in the text that the S.mask is more clear. Something about that text picture earlier was outstanding looking for such a close picture. The location of the "dots" of light just looks crisp vs the AG.

Also, I love MvC2. The only DC game I will play. That screenshot looks delicious, and not because I am some weeb who loves sakura. I use Amingo, Megaman & Shumagorath.

>>5052280
I bought pic related to try and fix a badly magnetized pvm. can confirm that they work albeit they can get extremely hot if activated for longer than 30-40 seconds. it cleared up my pvm but didnt provide a permanent fix unfortunately.

same monitor as >>5052393

>>5052379
any as long as you disable font smoothing and cleartype

hey /CRT/, I want to use my pvm as a pc monitor
do you know what cables I would need?
my PC has hdmi and dvi ports

>>5053437
https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>5053437
Why would you need to do that?

>>5053652
thank you, this is incredibly helpful
>>5053656
honestly, just morbidly curious what dwarf fortress looks like on it and if I could play it like that
it's one of the few non-/vr/ games I really enjoy
sorry for the mobile posting if you notice the IP count ticking up, but the desktop site seems to have shit itself

>>5053671
If you use 4chanX and uBlock Origin, you need to go into uBlock's settings and purge all caches, then "update now."

>>5053437
>do you know what cables I would need?
>my PC has hdmi and dvi ports

You'd want to pipe DVI->VGA/HDMI->VGA into something like an Extron VSC 500 to do an initial downscale, and then into something like an Extron 203 Rxi to combine the sync before outputting via BNC->BNC cables into your PVM.

Given that that'll cost at least $100 to put that together through resellers, you might as well just get a VGA monitor instead if you have the space for another display.

>>5049958
I got that set cheap off of a local, but then fucked it up by losing my footing and dropping it going up the steps to the front door. Man fuck me, it's such a good set. I still have it stored away but losing hope at being able to fix it

Just bought a 1983 Sony Trinitron 13" (KV-1222RS). It only has a coaxial jack on the back, so no composite video, but since I played with an RF adapter as a kid, I feel none the worse off.

New house, new setup.

How do I hook speakers up to this thing?

>>5054715
You don't.

You'll need some sort of separate audio solution. If you have a set of old PC speakers laying around, could potentially get a little adapter to convert 2RCA into a 3.5mm connector (or what ever said speakers need).

Better solution would be some sort of amp and just some generic unpowered speakers, though pairing that with an 8'' tube could look awfully silly.

CRTs have 5 ounces of lead in them

>>5054461
You should put them on a table

>>5054751
So will you if you keep posting ugly sideways bitches

Are Flatorns any good? I was looking for a Trinitron for my PS2 and found a couple of Flatrons.

>>5055010
I don't know anything about Flatron CRTs, but I use a Flatron E2251 LCD panel for my computer and it's really nice.

>>5054751
>CRTs have 5 ounces of lead in them
The copper plumbing in your house has more lead then that in it.

>>5053437
what graphics card do you have? if you have analog output over DVI and a card that's compatible with crt_emudriver then it will be easy

>>5054751
Good thing I didn't have any plans to ingest my CRTs then, I guess.

>>5054461
I've been wondering if I could hook up my VCR like that and get broadcast/cable onto my pvm.
So it's possible?

>>5055243
Anything that has a tv tuner will do the job

>>5055186

Unironically this. Your retro consoles have lead in them, also your car battery has lead in it. Trace amounts of lead will not hurt you, even in plumbing pipes. Breathing lead fumes, ingesting dust, is.

Ahhh fuck man how do i get into the 2030's center yoke to turn it
There's so much shit in the way

>>5052379
Here's two of mine. The top is a 21" shadow mask 1600x1200@85Hz and the bottom is a 19" aperture grille 1366x1024@85Hz.

>>5055573
Why is it blue

>>5055613
Shitty phone camera messed up the colours

>>5053902
that did the trick, thanks a ton
>>5054023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbybsuTN738
this guy pulled it off with an "Arcade VGA card" but I'm not going to slap one of those on my mobo
your solution seems the most practical but yeah, pricey
>>5055215
nvidia gtx 970
https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor
and google seems to indicate crt_emudriver works with amd cards so I may be out of luck with that route

>>5054776
I don't have a table or anything else to put them on, which is why my setup is the way it is. I don't use the bigger one at the moment on account of it being on the carpet.

>>5055243
I've never tried it since I don't have anything that can pick TV stations up, but I don't see why you wouldn't be able to.

>>5054749
would something like this work?
https://www.tvcables.co.uk/AD007.html

>>5056152
If you're dealing with SCART, the breakout cable you're/you'd be using should already have audio broken out into 2 RCA connectors.

>>5055973
>don't see why you wouldn't be able to
I wasn't sure if VCRs can take in coax and output composite.
Back in the day it was always the opposite.

>>5056171
Yes, VCRs are the simple go to for demodulating RF to feed into sets without tuners. Actually having some use aside from just demodulating stuff and junk.

Pretty much any ATSC tuner (necessary, since analog shit has been gone for years) should have C-Vid or better so you can just bypass the need for the VCR. Same with any set-top box.

>>5055856
Just adding 240p in Custom Resolution Utility works fine for a 970. May need an Extron RGB interface box if you need csync for your monitor.

Can anybody help me with composite modding my CRT? This is the only image I can get out of it with a composite signal.

Here is the datasheet for the IC chip https://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/download.php?id=717e688ced7752befef8682a88ae6529740e51&type=M&term=an5312

>>5056162
Yeah I'm a dummy, I realized this after posting that.

>>5047030
Is 14" enough for the ps2? Will it look too small? It's either that or 20" but 20 is maybe too big for older consoles

>>5056852
Yes. I'd say 20" is preferable, but 14" is good enough if it's your only option. That said, the only scenario in which a monitor could be "too big" would be with handheld games that had a native resolution smaller than 240p.

>>5056852
I have a 14' monitor and PS2 looks great to me on it.

>>5056880
>>5056883
Eh I had seen a 20 but was in a rush and couldn't take it, came back now and it was gone. It had component and everything

>>5047048
Anyone have any ideas?

Quick question.
Can any of you tell me whats a good consumer TV with Scart, Component and S-video?

I want one to replace my PVMeme and hook up all the consoles I have without using switchboxes or cablemodding (PS1 with Scart to BNC and all that shit)

Anyone know where to get a stand like this one? I don't really want a full AV cart

>>5057009
I was about too make a similar post, then saw yours

>>5057009
>>5057154
its because you both saw that one guys setup

>>5057009
>>5057154
https://www.unicol.com/Results-html.aspx?w4id=WMR01070&mainheading=FLOOR&Group=WEG0001&AskModel=1&Universal=0

>>5057009
Hit up craiglist. Got mine for a dozen bucks, and there were plenty of various stands available

>>5057165
who?

>>5057235
What are they even called?

>>5057235
i just happened to see one of those stands today on ebay in my town for 5euros.
might buy it, lol

>>5057351
No idea how they are supposed to be called around you, but over here it's either a TV stand or a TV foot (yeah, directly translating french can be a bit weird).
Or just search for TV in Furnitures.

>>5057235

>that sweet glass case to display all your shit, free from dust

tell me where you got it, anon

where's the best place to pick up a usable VCR? do they even make quality new ones anymore?

>>5057406
Again, Craiglist (or your local equivalent).
It's a pioneer AV Rack. Only the front half is glass, most of the thing is actually made of wood.

>>5057484
thanks for the heads up, anon

disappointed how glass cases like this fell out of style, everybody's snubbing the physical electronics

>>5057418
You'll probably have to try to hit the goodwill lottery. Once in a while they have quality brands there but it's a crap shoot if you'll find one on any particular visit.

>>5057378
Is there a brand or model number on that stand?

I am thinking about picking up a free crt from a relative for free and it is the perfect size the amount of room that I have, The only problem is that it has RF only. What can be done about this /vr/

>>5057814
do you live somewhere that crts are hard to come by?
I have 7 in my garage that I need to give away before october or I'll be forced to OP's pic related
I got all of them for free from craigslist over the years

>>5057235
nice cabinet

>>5057235
>>5057009
as amazing as these seem it just screams to me that it will tip over.

>>5056852
Yes. I've been playing PS2 on a 14" PVM and it's perfectly fine.

I figure this is the best place to ask. Do PC-98 games look dithered when viewed through a bundled CRT or does the connection blend the dithering? I use a VGA adapter and it looks dithered, wondering if I should get a special monitor.

>>5047039
What a dump. You live in a basement gramps?

>>5058205
Dithering is common in PC98 software.

>>5058205

I have never used a PC-98, but the blending is done by the signal type. Composite video has blending. VGA, which is RGB, is too high quality to do much if any blending.

>>5058258
Worse

Ohio

>>5057947
I hate how everything has to be sleek and minimalistic and hidden these days. Watching a LD in the dark on this is like watching at the starry night, there are lights everywhere.
>>5057812
This one is a Erard stand, a pretty well known and respected French brand. I didn't see any model number.
>>5057947
It's actually pretty sturdy. It might looks like it's tipping forward, but it's actually the middle rack that's angled rearward, I believe the wheels are shot.

>>5058430
>Ohio
I actually like gramps, but this explains a lot.

>>5058479
Have a couple of ads from their website.

>>5058497

>>5058501

>>5056852
For PS2 you can go up to 28",looks great.

Can you run the video out of an MVS board directly to a VGA CRT? I don't have an arcade monitor, and worry the cheap upscaling boards will add a lot of lag.

>>5057351
For anyone wondering where to get something like this, I found good results googling "rolling table".

>>5059017
>and worry the cheap upscaling boards will add a lot of lag.
Get the not-so-cheap ones

>>5059017
No, a normal VGA monitor needs 31+kHz horizontal, which will need scaling.

I want to watch older anime on my PVM from a thumbdrive or external HDD.
How do I best do this?

Here are my options.
I have a modded PS2 and Wii hooked up to it.
the PS2 can play them fine after converting the .mkv files to .avi but I have no subtitles and they end up dubbed if the option exists so this is a no go.
The Wii as far as I can tell CAN play .mkv files but I didn't find any info regarding subtitles and multiple languages.
How do you guys do it?

>buy PVM 8045Q on ebay for $130
>wait 3 weeks
>messaged seller twice, no response, no news, not even marked as shipped
>what the fuck
>get refund out of nowhere
>apparently it was a shop and the account belonged to an employee who was no longer an employee and they didn't have the CRT in stock anymore
WHAT THE FUCK
so I bought an 8044Q with fucked up colors for $70. Gonna try my hand at repairing it and if not, eh.

>>5060848
buy a PS3 and either use USB there (after being converted) or stream from PC to PS3 via plex or some kind of media server, or somehow get SCART output from a PC

>>5060850
Looks like it just needs to be degaussed.

>>5060852
I actually do have a PS3 too and I hoped I wouldn't have to move it from my livingroom just for this. but if it's the only way then I'll deal with it.
would have been nice if the Wii could have done it too.

>>5060858
ps3 just plays nicer with subtitles but may also have issues with mkv subtitles? which is why it would be best to pair it with streaming from a media server on your pc, plex app on p3 does this well and is up to date unlike any hackjob you'd find for the ps2/wii. everything is rendered on your pc and the ps3 acts as a dumb terminal. if you don't want to use your ps3 an old laptop would do as well, or hell put plex on your PC and grab a chromecast, then just find out how to hook up HDMI to the PVM and you're set.

>>5060848

I have one of these from back in the day when smart TVs weren't a thing. It supports mkv, h264, and subtitles. Nowadays I mainly use it to display test patterns.

>>5060850

Yep, if there aren't any magnets nearby it looks like it's permanently magnetised.

>>5060873
>>5060878
Then I think I'll look for something to connect my thinkpad to it and call it a day.
It had a VGA and mini diplay port outputs so I think I'll look for some conversion boxes online.
I need to get one anyway since I need to connect scart to it as well and I need another row of component inputs.

>>5060848
OG XBOX XBMC but this>>5060850 sounds easier

I'd wager XBMC has more options and file support.

>>5060881
i've had crts that looked like that and about 30 seconds with a degaussing coil fixed it

Small CRTs are a pain to find around here. Want to put one next to my Widescreen PC monitor so I can retro while watching something

>>5060907
well I don't have an OG XBOX and I wont get one just for anime, I'm not even that much of an enthusiast.
Also I think you've pointed to the wrong anon.

>>5060848
>>5060878
I don't know how relevant this will be to you as I know US doesn't get much satellite tv but I purchased this mother fucker (vu+ solo2 clone) over four years ago for about €180 from a chinese clone ebay seller and it's by far the best piece of electronic equipment I have ever bought in my life. The only downside is that I can't update it or the entire system will very likely "brick", components on the front fry and you have to get them fixed - it's happened to me. I even got a hard drive with it. All this time later and still more expensive to buy new than what I bought it for.

It's a satellite receiver and continues to be the most powerful and fastest twin tuner, this baby also runs linux. As stated you can't mess about with it too much since it's a clone, but you can add or remove programs. I have never come across a video file that didn't work on it. I'm not sure if it would really be worth it for someone who doesn't receive much satellite but why for people people can stick their smart tv.

Not only does it support all inputs and plug and play, and all codecs etc. you don't even have to take something you downloaded off your PC to play it. As long as you have a router once you set up sharing on it you have immediate access to all your PC files and play them on the fly. No matter how high the bitrate it never, ever, ever stutters even on 1080p. It also doesn't hog the wifi in the slightest. One life-altering use I have for it is listening to mp3 files, I just prefer playing them on my tv in my living room instead of through the speakers and there's no moving around. There's something so comfy about it. You can also do the reverse, as in if you're recording a tv show, you can have it automatically saving to the tv.

................

>>5060982
<continued>

There's an amazing youtube plugin for it where I watch most of my youtube, I only don't watch it on this when I'm skipping around trying to figure what to watch. The newest browsers and all that won't work on it... but who cares, that's more of a blessing than a drawback, wasting time surfing with a remote. I also had receivers before that had slowdown before, NEVER has this happened with this.

It can do IP tv and obvious all the satellite channels and it's capable of decrypting channels - it has a hardware-based CCCam emulator for that type of decrypting (most of the Sky Channels are non-decryptable now, but lots of good ones are still decrypted like Investigation Discovery and ID+1, TLC, Animal Planet, Eden, MTV channels and some others.

Another nice feature is you can use a linux torrent client like xtransmission from the vu+ solo2 and you can control what the program downloads from your PC. I personally prefer to just use a torrent downloader on my computer since you can just "stream" it onto the vu then (I say "stream" but that shouldn't imply there's ever any slowdown).

>>5060982
>You can also do the reverse, as in if you're recording a tv show, you can have it automatically saving to the tv.

**** I mean you can save it to the hard drive on your PC, again just set up sharing and it goes through the wifi.

>>5060982
looks like a neat piece of equipment you've got there anon , but its slightly overkill for what I need.
having one to act as a hub for my media would be great tho.
i'll keep an eye out on ebay just in case something similar pops up.

>>5060926
Where do you live

>>5061128
Can,QC

>Local arcades won't fix PVM
>Message boards don't want to do it
>Closest person who MIGHT want to do it is a 10 hour drive one way
>Fixing it myself might kill me

>>5061305
Do not think about death. Think about the crisp picture quality you will get!
What's wrong with it?

>>5061370
really dark, so probably a capacitor problem.

>>5061402
Is there anything plugged into the back ports, ie 75Ohm plugs

Would an Extron DVS-304 allow a 31khz signal to function on a 15khz only display?

>>5061473
>75Ohm plugs
Aren't those suppose to be there on the out ports of the PVM? I'm going to check to see, but it's in storage. If that's really the issue I'm going to feel like a complete moron.

>>5061473
>>5061706
just checked. No there's no terminators on the thing. thanks for the suggestion though.

Is the main idea behind you guys wanting CRTs for retro games avoiding input lag and shitty image on big flatscreens when using old hookups? Like, does the Super NT having HDMI inputs and what not satisfy you guys enough to play in on a modern TV, or does it go further than this.

>>5061891
There are a bunch of other reasons. The big one for me is motion- LCDs have unequivocally shit motion. Playing scrolling games (which are very common in /vr/) on an LCD is an awful experience. Besides the aforementioned Super NT there isn't really any way to get good motion and no input lag besides CRT.

Is there any reason to get a crt with only RF inputs.

>>5061898
Do you find this to still be true when it comes to releases like Genesis classics or countless older games that have made their way to current gen consoles?

I'm sure there's something to be said for having the real hardware, real controller in hand etc etc and I get that. I'm just seeing if this stuff really matters if the game is playable with HDMI inputs. I have a feeling this is stuff I just need to find out on my own anyway though.

>>5061912
Not really, especially when you get good quality trinitrons from the 90s and 00s for literally free because there are always still people tossing them out.

I feel bad for anyone trying to get their hands on a PVM these days though. I thought I was late to the game already when I picked one up in 2015, and that was 60 dollars shipped for a 20" PVM. I was just curious about prices now and holy fucking shit people want like 400+shipping for the equivalent, and even those shitty 9" PVMs are going for insane prices. And here I thought the genie was already long out of the bottle. I just hope my monitor never breaks down because fuck those prices.

>>5058497
>>5058479
Hey does anyone know were I can find the stand.
I have been looking on lots of sites and I do not see one for sale.

>>5061891
For me it goes further. It's trivial other than money to play retro on HDMI setups with minimal lag, but I like the look of CRTs better. You can't fully emulate the look even with the best shaders. You can get decent with shaders but it still doesn't look the same.

No inherent lag, and perfect for retro because it was the type of display they were made for. I'll get made fun of for this but to me CRT have more soul for playing retro or watching retro anime. I have a yuge plasma in my front room for modern video needs but I'll never be without a CRT for retro gaming.

Just FYI, I'm not shitting on emulation either, I'd rather play an emulated retro game on CRT than on a modern LCD, though my main computer I do everything has modern monitors.

>>5061912
2 reasons.

1-Nostalgia for how you played back in the day. NES on RF has a distinct look from composite. Some systems like Atari output only RF unless you do a babby's fist mod level mod to them.

2-The model is composite/component/svideo/rgb moddable and you like doing mods. Not RF only but I've added RGB to 3 consumer sets which didn't have it. Two had component so it was more a fun project than necessity, one had composite only but added RGB.

>>5061913
Yeah, especially so because these normally have bad emulators. These come with their own problems, like bad sound. There's something to be said for the smooth, lag free, blur free experience you get with original hardware+CRT. Not so much an issue if you don't play fast games to be fair.

>>5061956
I like doing mods but I don't know if i would want to because of it begin old. I usually don't mod something if its old because I like to keep my stuff pretty original but is a S-vid or component mod worth it.

>>5058479
I'll pay a premium if you sell me one of those stands by the way.

>>5061951
I would happily pay $400 for a 20" with rgb
how the hell did they even ship yours for $60?

Where are good places to score a cheap crt in Japan? There’s loads on Yahoo Auction but the shipping is the killer. I’m thinking of asking the elderly couple next door if they have one they can’t dispose of.

>>5061951
I know anon it’s crazy. I got a 14” several years ago for $50 and free shipping. Even wondered if I overpaid at the time. I’m lucky it arrived in one piece.

>>5062101
I was searching for monitors on ebay and some liquidators were getting rid of a bunch of old medical equipment like a PVM used for endoscopy. No one else bid for it, so I got it for 20 bucks plus 40 to ship the thing.

>>5062194
>I’m thinking of asking the elderly couple next door if they have one they can’t dispose of.
Put out a craigslist ad that you are willing to help dispose of TVs. Ask that they just message you a photo of the unit so you know what to bring. Its somewhat dirty, and if you have any honor, you won't lie. You could just post that you are looking for one also.

Brb buying up projector stands so I can sell them back to you fags as W@W L@@K RETRO PMV MONITOR PEDESTALS!!!1!

>>5062253
Two fundamental problems with that strategy:

1. The people you want to target don't use Craigslist, they don't even know it exists.

2. Why would you advertise amongst your competitors i.e. those already asking vastly inflated meme prices?

Shop window ads would be far more successful.

>>5062256
Go away >>>/v/ermin

>>5048797
what!?
How??

>>5062247
Honestly, that's still the case with most liquidators and surplus auction sites. People just don't bother venturing beyond eBay. I just recently got a 14L2 and 14L5 for under $150, and that price was mostly due to the 14L5 being the best monitor on offer. Hell, there's an auction going on right now that has a multitude of PVMs selling for $10, some in lots of two.

>>5062262
>Two fundamental problems with that strategy:
I assumed incorrectly that craigslist was a thing. You would be suprised however. My brother got a 36" XBR the other month for free because the person didn't want it, and didn't want to pay someone to move it. That son of a bitch has an awesome TV, and I paid $20 for a 25" with svideo.

the number 2 point is for visibility. If people know you are near, they may call you to get what they think is some antiquated tv off their hands as a favor. Some people see CRTs as some old boat anchor and just want rid of it. They don't realize that there is a sub culture of nerds like us. But by the same token, I don't know how japan works....do you have a much more popular retro market?


I hope you are able to find something my friend.

>>5062285
it's from a camcorder
>>5062295
thanks for not posting the link, don't let the reseller scum catch on (the ones who haven't already)

>>5061402

Perhaps you could try increasing the voltage on the flyback transformer, if it would make any difference? It's usually labeled Screen (G2).

>Get free CRT.
>It's cleary been messed with.
>Deflection is all out of wack.
>Don't have the original numbers.

Niiiiiiiiice. What should I do?

>>5062402
If it's a consumer set then you might want to just ditch it

>>5062407
It's a Samsung TXS3082WH, I believe, since I haven't bothered to actually look and used my Google-Fu. I'm kinda bummed because I just got my 6th gen stuff setup for the first time.

>>5062413
I don't think it has been messed with. Those samsung crts are notorious for their issues. I have one at my job and the bowing on the sides is incredible. I think the chassis is nice but the electronics are pure trash.

>>5062413
That's an HD Crt, right? In my experience with one, they're not as good as SD CRTs for even 6th gen stuff. It looks about the same level as aliasing as you would see on a modern monitor and it had input lag. Now I just use this thing. Someday I hope to get one that has 480p support though.

>>5062426
It is HD, yes. Not sure if 1080/720. Just got it today.

>>5062424
I thought something looked off, went into the actual calibration, pulled up the standard test screen and it's all wonky.

>>5062413
Correct; it's a TX-S2782h.

>>5062319
>I hope you are able to find something
At last count I had over 25 CRTs of varying quality from a 10" 12v caravan set up to a PVM-2950QM. Almost all came from eBay in the past 4 years and I never paid more than £50.

You could say it's a bit rich of me to dish out advice on how to find these things as they seem to almost fall into my lap. Britain is admittedly a different market though.

>>5062380
Being a PVM reseller seems like such a shit-tier business strategy. It's not like some small plastic carts that you can easily tell their condition off the bat and flip them no problem. They're these giant hulking things that are expensive and niche. Imagine being a PVM reseller with your house full of old monitors trying to sell them each for 400+100 bucks for freight shipping and getting a buyer once in a blue moon while you sit around with this junk, and then have to deal with defective equipment or stuff that broke during shipping or whatever. No thanks.

Tempting.

>>5062817
I mean for $25 you might as well.

>>5062852
Yeah, its just big. Been trying to find something like a 14". Found a free 24", but i think i still may hold out for something smaller.

>>5062402
>>Deflection is all out of wack.
Just sounds par for the course for the Slim Fit sets, to be honest.

If you can get into the service menu, might be able to get it looking a bit better though.

>>5062921
I spent a good 3 hours last night working on it and finally got it to actually resemble a normal test bar. So far, outside of some muddy text, it's not too bad for free. I've only looked at PS1 games on it, so I probably will try something else later.

>>5062921
how do you know its a slim fit set?

>>5062974
See
>>5062495

What do you guys think about Sanyo's? I got one, kinda like it but the picture is kinda weirdly aligned. Like if the game has writing on the top of the screen sometimes part of it is hidden under the plastic cover of the TV or something. Maybe it's something most round screens do?

Picked up a CRT for free on craigslist. It's sitting in the garage now, I'm hoping to clean it up a bit. I opened it up just to make sure it wasn't full of roach eggs, and thankfully it wasn't. Still, it has a bit of a funk to it and everything inside is coated in dust. Besides blasting it with compressed air what can I do that won't kill me? I was thinking of wiping down the plastic inside and outside with some dilute bleach too, not sure if that's a good idea or what.

>CRTs will die out
>Original carts, systems and controllers will fail
>Only shitty repros, chinese clones and LED approximations will be left to emulate the experience
Thinking about when we get to that point fills me with dread. Playing my old games on my CRT is so great and yet even as I play I know it's all finite and I'm running down that clock every time I turn my stuff on. How do you guys deal with this?

>>5063774
Since I got my TV for free, I don't worry about it too much.

>>5063784
It's not so much about the money for me as it's about the original experience ceasing to exist, permanently. I would gladly shell out the ass for CRTs and original hardware if manufacturers kept them going but that's just not going to happen unfortunately

>>5063791
well you could either buy plenty of spares now and store them well or start learning how to repair those things. You could do either and still be playing on original hardware when you eventually die.

>>5063774
there are cars from the 1910s still running today, I wouldn't worry too much

you might eventually have to pay a lot for the pleasure of using period correct equipment but it'll always be availible

>>5062424
>I think the chassis is nice but the electronics are pure trash.
The chassis is the electronics that drive the tube, no?

>>5062924
So, this is what we've got. I still think it needs some fine tuning.

>>5064157

>>5064162

Does anyone know any good good ypbrp to rgbhv/vga transcoders? The extron cvc line is nowhere to be found and I need something that can output a 480p signal with as little lag as possible. I am aware of the CPNT2VGAA, but since its like $80 and not bnc I am still looking.

Am I doing it right?

>>5064304
The cheapo Mayflash one works fine, no lag

>>5058164
>>5056883
Went ahead and fixed the 14" I had, honestly I wished I could've picked up that 20 but I also plan on playing ps1 so I think this is fine

>>5064308
Use rgb not composite

>>5064565
What was wrong with it

>>5064308
emulator shot?

>>5064573
That doesn't pass my test cases.

>>5064643
Yes.

If a crt has component does that mean it will display 480p? Found one locally but online specs show it as standard not "enhanced" definition.

Yo /CRT/! Does someone know why the fuck my Ps2 has this huge gap to the side while my Wii looks almost fine? Both are connected with composhit for testing purposes so it's not the the one has rgb shift and the other doesn't.

>>5064985
>>5064987
And yes both are 4:3 Aspect ratio and also pal consoles. So both of them are 576i.

>>5064985
>>5064987
I don't feel like hooking things up to test the two (not that I even have either capable of doing PAL), but different consoles can tend to use different amounts of the raster, even at the same resolution. That's likely what's going on here.

>>5064946
No. Component is a higher quality signal and CAN be used to output higher resolutions, but there are loads of sets out there which are still just standard definition. With extremely few exceptions, SD is honestly preferred since the CRTs with both component and 480p(+) support are going to be adding a delay and such.

>>5065024
Is it possible to adjust the geometry so that they both look equal though?

>>5065034
Settings for that sort of thing would affect both. So long as the geometry is adjusted correctly already (squares are square, circles are round, etc), you really shouldn't worry about it too much.

>>5065049
Oh well guess I'll use the Wii's internal screen position setting to match it to my ps2 when I've tweaked the geometry.

>>5065024
>No. Component is a higher quality signal and CAN be used to output higher resolutions, but
Thank you.

>>5065079
Worth adding that the delay bit was in reference to the consumer TVs which have 480p available.

Pro Monitors (with an exception or two) do not apply.

>>5064985
>>5064987
Different sync timings for each console can affect it's horizontal centering.

>>5064985
I have this exact same problem with PS2. It's just the console, and as far as I'm aware there's nothing you can do about it except manually adjust RGB shift. Maybe worth getting RGB for that purpose alone.

>>5065295
>except manually adjust RGB shift. Maybe worth getting RGB for that purpose alone.

Eh what? If you use RGB then you get RGB shift. But I used composite. I have RGB cables aswell though.

>>5065297
Yes but lots of TVs have manual picture adjustment for when they receive an RGB signal. My Trinitrons only allow horizontal shifting when receiving an RGB signal, for example. It's not RGB that's causing the shift here, it's just the console.

>>5064596
I honestly didn't pay much attention when the guy told me, what I remember is that someone moved it and something broke inside that carried image to the screen so he had to fix that.

>tfw a 20" Sony RGB monitor appeared in my area (the first time I've ever seen one locally)
>tfw I called immediately, and the guy said that someone else was already going to come get it, but that if he doesn't show then I can get it
Feels bad man. Hopefully whoever got to it before me enjoys it.

>>5065396
Forgot to add: It was $25.

>>5065402
Where did you find it? Craigslist?

>>5065412
Yeah. Pretty bummed about it.

>>5065417
It's all about being in the right place at the right time. I found mine because somebody brought it in to surplus at a local university.

>>5065412
I think the listing just got taken down because I can't find it any more but I think it was a GVM-2000, I saved two pictures of it.

>>5065430

>>5065429
Do you work at the university or did you go and ask them if they had any monitors?

>>5065430
That's actually a really weird monitor. It looks more like a consumer set than any other PVM I've seen, and is the only Sony one that I've seen with a VGA in. Hopefully you end up getting it anon.

>>5065439
I work there and somebody just brought them in one day. They actually still have a few there but I don't want more. Mostly because most of them are smaller than what I have

>>5065453
What university, if I may ask? Maybe I'm nearby.

>>5065451
There are some others, but they're not terribly common. The GVM 2020 for one.

Not to make things any worse, but it's also a "true multisync" monitor. 15khz-36khz, so you'd be able to do 400p one it too.

>>5065457
480p, rather.

Though I suppose for the time, 400p would be appropriate as well.

>>5065454
Utah Valley University and these are the monitors they have here

>>5065465
I'm 500 miles away. Too bad, that JVC looks pretty nice.
>>5065457
>spoiler
Oof. That made it worse.

>>5065465
Thank you for sharing the picture with me though, I appreciate the kindness.

>>5065478
I've actually tested that JVC and it had a few minor problems. You could tell on the bottom right that it had the letters "TV" burnt into it and a small patch on the top right had the colors off. Like if the screen was pure blue, a small patch would be purple. No clue about the small ones though, I never bothered. I got a different one than these which I brought home

>>5064985
When switching to certain consoles it's gonna a throw the alignment out of wack. When I go from my SNES to my PS2 I always have to readjust

Got the stand and the tv for free. Did I score? Sorry for the shitty phone picture

>>5065430
>>5065434
saw the same ad here in Denver. We had a huge internet fight on /r/crtgaming because someone was doing "research" by putting up PVMs for cheap just to see how many and how fast other people in the area replied.

>>5065705
I'm Denver as well, I'm quite convinced this one was real. I spoke on the phone with the guy that listed it. Had a Denver area code, too.

>>5065706
oh well....want a fv300 instead?

https://rockies.craigslist.org/ele/d/free-sony-trinitron-tv/6706488929.html

>>5065706
or search for "sony console television" on facebook marketplace in colorado springs for a 36FV300 for $27

>>5065708
I think I'm going to pick it up Thursday, actually :)
Been talking with the guy that listed it since this morning. Just waiting to hear when works for him for me to come by. The other one is just one of those woulda-coulda-shoulda things, you know? I only found one completed listing ever on eBay for one of those Sony GVMs, and it sold for like $1,750. And that was a 14", not a 20" like what showed up today. Whoever nabbed that has got to be over the moon.
>>5065713
36 is too big for me, I don't have much space.

>>5065717
I've actually got an extra 27FV300 that I'm too lazy to post for sale. You always get shit for cleaning one up and posting it on craigslist for like $40-80 even though someone immediately wants it because learning all these obsolete models is too dense and they just want to play old fighting games.

>>5065402
Idiot, call back and offer $50 or $100. Don't let that other dude get it for $25.

For lack of a better thread to ask in:

I have a pair of these official Sony S-Video cables. They fit perfectly fine in my PS2 Slim but feel VERY tight in my PSOne (I'm sharing one cable between the two). It's to the point that I worry I'm going to fuck up the AV port one of these times when I pull the thing out.

What's the safest method for ever-so-slightly reducing the thickness of the metal connector without damaging the connection or signal quality? Sanding it a little bit? Bending it in the middle?

>>5065752
Forgot my pic.

>>5065757
Why would you need to swap between the two, if you have a PS2 slim?

>>5065762
Because PS2's emulation of a PS1 has some issues and I'd like to be playing on real hardware. It's also WAY easier to play backups on a PS1.

>>5065749
it's gone. I texted in the morning as well. The ad was taken down hours ago

>>5065765
Not if you have an early PS2 slim, but even if you have a late slim, It's still good for most ps1 games. Disc swapping is easy on a slim in general though. You just need to tape over some sensors or something

>>5065771
It's still partial emulation though and my autism demands the real deal.

>>5065775
Try to track down a 7000 slim if you can. It would make things easier on you

>>5058258
That is my basement but I don't get a chance to hang out there pretty much ever anymore

>>5065787
>5 Xbox HUEGs
for what purpose?

>>5065787
But you have time to post on /vr/ all the time?

>>5065787
So you're the one holding hostage all the NA Dreamcasts

>>5065787
Have you ever thought about not buying retro videogames and instead investing that money into your basement?

>>5065943

>>5065697
27 or 36

>>5065956
32

>>5065943
There are only three NA Dreamcasts?

>>5065787
I sure hope you have fire insurance. Good god. Now all your posting makes sense to me.

>>5047618
thanks bro super cool to really dig into

Any requests for photos/videos of specific games?

>>5055856
Mate, an Arcade VGA card is nothing but an old AMD/ATi graphics card with some slight modifications. You'd be fine slapping it to your mobo, but more than likely you can get a normal old AMD card like the 5850 and just slap 15KHz drivers on it.

What kind of CRT is this?

>>5067814
Really bad picture, and you're asking a lot for so little information, but it's got an aperture grille. That's all I got for you.

>>5062256
Super Neckbeardio Bros

Is there anything specific I should be looking for when buying a computer monitor to play old DOS games?

On this 20" sony crt I still have a color purity problem in the top right corner when displaying pure blue, a little on pure red/green but not on white.

I bought a nice degaussing wand and it didn't fix the issue.

If I rotate the set the purple goes from the top left, to the bottom leftish. Will putting convergence strips fix this? Or would I have to rotate the yoke. I haven't touched the purity or convergence rings.

Not really a high priority to fix this but more a learning experience. I got this from goodwill like 8 years ago and its always had that top left purple discoloration.

>>5068190

sorry meant top left, not top right.

Crappy picture here

>>5068209
I think what you have to do is push the yolk forward or backward to get the correct purity for each color
this video https://youtu.be/QNtsTKVPO7I is pretty good, try skipping around to parts that seem relevant

>>5062687
>Britain is admittedly a different market though.
I think that is a major component of it. There is a real disconnect in the USA from old people trying to get rid of a big old CRT tv....They don't care what it is, what it is worth, but they know its old, and doesn't work with their new satellite receiver. If there was a booming retro market, they may be more scarce. We have a consignment furniture shop nearby, and they have CRTs in tons of sizes and shapes. They sit for YEARS. They have stuff ranging in size from small to what looks like a 32"+ .... My console tv that I picked up from them sat in there for 5 years or more. I know this because I sold some furniture through them, and commented that it looked just like my grandmother's "newest" tv before she passed away. 5 years later, there it still sat. Price: Offer.

>Ill give you $20 for your 25" console tv

They loaded it into the car for me even. I could have offered $5 and I think they still would have loaded it into the car. They were glad to have floor space opened up.

>>5065752
>They fit perfectly fine in my PS2 Slim but feel VERY tight in my PSOne
Now that you mention it, that was something I always noticed. My svideo cable is very tight in the PSX. I don't know that I would do anything about it, but I don't unplug it unless I am moving. Get another svideo cable, and a system selector, and you won't have to worry about ruining anything. The connectors on the systems have a finite number of times something can be plugged in before it breaks.

>>5067814
A Royale ;-)

Jesus christ, there's nothing good AND affordable in this mess, all I want is a replacement lads

>>5068681
200 for a 14" BVM is a great deal if it works okay

>>5068681
200 for a 14" BVM isn't bad at all, especially since no shipping costs if they're local and you can pick it up.
Never unironically pay for a consumer CRT though. The people selling those things on CL are just boomers who think they can still get 20 bucks out of their old sets they're going to throw away regardless. Just find a listing for someone with a trinitron and say you won't buy it, but you'll take it off their hands if they're looking to get rid of it.

>>5067459
ArcadeVGA does have the advantage of doing 15kHz modes in BIOS and DOS if that matters to you, although there's the Atom-15 project that can do that as a video BIOS mod on some AMD cards now too.

>>5068681
The panysanic looks interesting.

>>5068681
I don't know what you are looking for specifically, but If you have second hand stores, they would be my first pick. We have a number of "Salvation Army" stores and some do get better CRTs then others. Also, look for consignment furniture stores. Consumer sets can be had for $20-30. Take your phone, or be aware of what you want for connections. I tend to snatch up every component crt I find for resale. If you were local, I would sell you my samsung 20" on the cheap. Something tells me you are not looking for consumer sets however.

>>5068681
Those are good. 240p content looks best on a consumer slot mask tube with composite video. PVMs don't look any different from OLEDs.

>>5069550
this cope

>>5067814
It looks like a really shitty shader.

>>5068681
That 28" sharp is a very nice shadow mask. It looks like mine which has s-video and also component, as well as composite. Honestly it looks damn good.

>>5069560
>It looks like a really shitty shader.
So it's not just me? I'm >>5067951 and I was very close to saying it looked like a shitty attempt to fake a CRT, like someone used the wobbly glass filter in Photoshop or something. I didn't end up posting that because I thought I might have been being overly suspicious of some guy who was just really bad at taking pictures. Guess I'm not the only one that thought it looked like a filter, though.

I put my color calibrated PVM on the side of my UHD Samsung.
Why does a 20yo tube have better colours?

>>5063768
never got an answer, but I opened it up and cleaned it out some. Turned it back on and had a nice purple vignette effect going on. There's no options in the menu to degauss it, and I didn't really mess with the circuit board too much since I don't really know anything about that sort of thing. Anyway, I found a part of it had exploded, or something. The schematic says it's the "degaussing thermistor", and it just looks like a little metal wafer sandwiched between two wires on the board. It's fucked now and I don't know how to solder. Is this set just fucked now or is there some work around to this? I can't read the numbers on the wafer and the schematic doesn't really give a part number or anything.

>>5069918
Why didn't you test it before you took it home

>>5069918
>and the schematic doesn't really give a part number or anything.
Are you sure you know how to read that schematic? Any service manual should have every part number in it.

>>5065793
Posting on /vr/ is not something that takes much time

>>5065947
I don't buy retro video games but no, my basement is not someplace I consider investing money. I am remodeling the attic though.

>>5066664
Of course I have fire insurance. I'm sure that guy with all the melted NES games did too although as I said in that thread, that'd be one unhappy claims adjuster.

>>5069926
It was free so it didn't really matter. I guess it worked fine before I opened it up, turned on and didn't have the purple around the fuzz.
>>5069927
I think I might've found the part. But it's like $15, I was hoping there would be some work around. Is the TV safe to use with that bit missing? Can I degauss it some other way and it'll go back to normal?

This replacement I found seems to be dipped in plastic or epoxy I guess, the one in my TV was just bare, two wires sticking out and I guess soldered to this metal disc. Is that normal or maybe it burned off the plastic at some point in the past.

>>5069942
>Is that normal or maybe it burned off the plastic at some point in the past.
Yeah, it definitely burned off the plastic. No thermistor should be bare.
>Is the TV safe to use with that bit missing?
Yes, but your internal degausser is shot.
>Can I degauss it some other way and it'll go back to normal?
Yes, you can buy a degaussing coil and use that (if you choose to do this, get educated on how to do it properly so you don't ruin the TV entirely and fry the coil), but you might find out that there's something else going on and end up having to degauss every time you turn it on. Not fun, and a waste of time and electricity.
I'd say get rid of the TV. To repair this thing, you'd have to buy a soldering iron and solder and flux, learn to solder, buy a $15 part, replace the part, and only then you'd get to figure out whether it was just that part that broke, or something more. Chances are, that thing didn't explode randomly. It probably exploded because it received way too much current from whatever else it's connected to. And if that's the case, your new $15 part will explode shortly after you turn on the TV again.
Save yourself a lot of trouble and take it to an electronics recycler. Going to all the trouble of repairing something like this might be worth it for a PVM or BVM or other professional monitor, but there's zero reason to do it when you can just grab another consumer CRT that actually works for free(and test it first this time).

>>5069934
>that'd be one unhappy claims adjuster.
Imagine being the adjuster assigned to his claim and having to delve into the world of autism surrounding our obsession with old plastic carts for kids toys from decades ago.
>NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! THOSE WERE COPIES OF METAL STORM AND MR GIMMICK CIB!!!

>>5063837
i went the repair route. I try to pick up things and tinker with them. maybe some faggot will be paying me to recap and adjust his trinicon one day for $300.

I did have a head start since i've been running/repairing my own neo geo cab since the 2000s. Just know this, the shit inside them will kill you. Make sure you read up on what to do and do not stick metal shit in them while they're running. there will be times when you have to bop things and look at stuff while they're running. always use plastic tools and keep one hand out/behind your back.

I'm getting ready to buy a SNES, but I don't have an old TV like this.

I have a 52" HD TV lel. How fucking shit is that going to look?

I'm not a major nostalgiafag chasing the "authentic" experience.

Why are people still falling for the Trinitron meme?

>>5070045
It will be unplayable. it will double every line to fill in scanlines, and the lag on a modern tv will be unbearable

>>5070131
name 1 (one) advantage a shadow mask has over an aperture grille besides personal aesthetic choice

>>5070045
You should probably just get a Super NT if you're only going to be playing SNES games on an HDTV.

>>5070045
The worst part is having to deal with severe input delay in games designed for instant input response

>>5070151

no aperture grill mask support in the middle of the screen

>>5070045
Depends on your TV and if you have something like an OSSC. I'd just emulate if I were you

>>5070237
ok, now should I list the advantages AG has over SM?

>>5070254
Shadow masks can blend colors together somewhat better too, but go ahead

>>5070257
the advantage is it's made by sony :^)

>>5070045
>I'm getting ready to buy a SNES, but I don't have an old TV like this.
>>5070045
>I'm not a major nostalgiafag chasing the "authentic" experience.
Have you thought about the SNES mini? Honestly you sound like the perfect candidate for one of them. I don't mean that in an insulting way either. I hear they have HDMI, and work great on LCDs.

>>5070457
this. if youre not after an authentic experience then may aswell go for the more modern option

>>5070892
or just use a free emulator. Literally no reason to buy one of those overpriced emulator boxes

What's the best way to hook up a console that's RF-only like an Atari to a PVM? Dig out a VCR or DVD recorder and run it through that?

>>5071313
Modding RF consoles for better output is often an option; I don’t know a lot regarding Atari specifically but I think 2600s can be at least composite modded. Otherwise yes.

>>5070457
>>5070892
Are you fucking kidding me? Having a SNES is not about "an authentic experience", it's about having an actual snes and not a less accurate replicate that tries to emulate it. Putting it into a non-laggy HDTV is not ideal but a lot better than using an emulator.

>>5071338
It's literally not. Input lag you would get from scaling and low quality connections would certainly give you a worse experience than using an emulator. SNES emulation is basically perfect too.

>>5070045
>a 52" HD TV lel. How fuckin

Probably like dogshit. Just buy an analog super nt or an AVS. Both will run on hdmi without jumping through the hoops you'll have to jump through to get a nice picture. Second cheap option is getting an old crt.

I have a 14 inch jvc pvm but the screen won’t stop scrolling vertically, it has a v hold knob but I can’t get it to sit. I posted a video as an example but does anyone know of a possible fix? https://youtu.be/s9_-x5Q9Jl8

>>5071998
Is external sync disabled?

>>5072038
I am not to sure, for more information here’s a picture of the model and I’m running my nes to it through composite video then bnc cables. It seems to get worse with movement.

>>5071338
>Are you fucking kidding me?
No, I first suggested this:
>>5070457
And yes if you are looking to buy an SNES, and all you have is an HDTV, I would suggest an SNES mini, and IF your tv has component input perhaps even a Wii.

If you want an "authentic" experience get rid of the HD tv, but what you are saying has nothing to do with who I am quoting.

>>5070045
>I'm not a major nostalgiafag chasing the "authentic" experience.

Right here anon specifies that he is not looking for "authentic" experience. Might as well get the best thing for an HD tv.

Any NYC anons able and willing to do some geometry correction on a consumer Toshiba set? I'd pay of course.

>>5072056
>Might as well get the best thing for an HD tv.

Which is a SNES. You're dumb. There are scalers like frame meister that are practically instant out there. If his TV is that shitty then it's likely going to lag during the game anyway.