/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

Quaddicted still down for European users

=== NEWS ===

[09-10] Anon creates a 'quickstart' map, designed for grabbing items before warping into a map and difficulty of your choice
https://my.mixtape.moe/oogulp.pk3

[09-10] John Anderson, author of Ultimate Doom's E4M7 and other maps, passed away back in April
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/43010-where-is-dr-sleep/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-1916824

[09-07] System Shock Enhanced Edition's source port update released, including official support for mods
https://steamcommunity.com/games/410710/announcements/detail/3098929145092416976

[09-06] LOTX milestone 3, project put on hold
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ymtpoqmqbur88l6/LOTX-milestone3.rar?dl=0

[09-02] DAKKA SSG revamp in latest alpha
http://jinotra.in/downloads/mods/doom/dakka/dakka-0.10alpha-2018-09-02.pk3

[09-02] Audio level rework in new pre-release version of Babel
https://my.mixtape.moe/mrcokp.pk3

[08-29] Anon shares GZDoom gameplay mod compatibility patches for Heretic, Hexen, and Chex Quest
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zkt5vzcjh65r9ny/Almost_Universal_Doom_for_Heretic_patch_V0.2.7z/file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/cxs2055thu8zd2x/Almost_Universal_Doom_for_Hexen_patch_V0.1.7z/file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ltm30tpj80h222o/Almost_Universal_Doom_for_Chex_Quest_patch_V0.1.7z/file

[08-29] GEC PSX Master Doom Beta released, incorporating missing PC levels into the PSX version
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101161

[08-27] SM186 for Quake released, 12 Terracotta-themed maps
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61621

[08-26] GZDoom 3.5.1 released, implementing a "resolution mode selector"
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61800

[08-25] A more recent build of TerminusEst's Booster mod
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nt4ycstu42sc4dq/te13-Booster.pk3?dl=1

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>>5034046
Score one for iDOLM@STER Doom.

I gotta piss

>>5034058
need some moral support?

Watching an Arch Vile completely obliterate a Grunt from Quake makes me happy.

I finished doing frame offsets for 10 out of 14 Quake monsters. After that I added the Zorch death states and made them all capable of being revived by the Arch Vile. not that I often play with more than one set active at a time but someone else might

So much for Lethe.

>>5034059
Piss that way really, really fast. If something gets in your way?

turn.

WHEN THE FUCK IS BRUTAL DOOM v21 COMING OUT?

>proposed to myself to pass Goldeneye with an emulator on 007 difficulty with health: 200%, damage: 200%, accuracy: 100% and reaction: 100%
>3 hours dying on runway
>tfw some dudes passed it with 1000%, 1000%, 100%, 100% in the original console

What makes a good doom or quake level?
I'd like to learn some theory on the level design and such

>>5033946
zscript is real neat if you can figure out how to get around the zscript source and docs (and gzdoom's source code whenever you run into a native function), but yeah if you can't do that, you're kinda fucked
also anything hud-related looks like pure pain, but I never liked doing UI stuff to begin with

>>5034085
Making a level that is balanced for vanilla gameplay, but is still interesting with gameplay mods. Interesting and varied encounters, without relying on monster closets and similar ambushes. Also interesting architecture thats both functional and involved.
Basically if you can go from vanilla to a mod like Demonsteele or GMOTA or Project MSX and still find it in similar levels of enjoyment, its probably a bretty gud map.
FOr the most part though focus on going with coherent design, and releasing it to people to review and tell you what they like and hate about it. Then use that feedback for refinement on scripting/overall design.

Also make sure to put a thousand chaingunners behind pillbox Plutonia foliage. Everyone loves that.

>>5034089
One of the things I really want to learn is ZScript menus, I was just about to learn the ACS gross hacks methods people have used in the past before I heard it could be done in ZScript. Now I'm wondering if I should just learn Ye Olde way to do it instead if its not worth the effort of the new hotness.

What is the difference between regular Quakespasm.exe and Quakespasmsdll12.exe? I'm new to Quake. I have regular Qspasm and the soundtracks are working fine, but there's sometimes a stutter in fps when I flick my mouse and go into a bunnyhop. My fps is set to host_maxfps 160 since I read it will fix the stuttering in fps, but maybe I'm doing something wrong? It's been working buttery smooth now for the past 40 minutes

how do i force pistol start every level without quitting and launching gzdoom at a specific map?

>>5034068
it's already out, they removed all the bloat and edge and renamed it project babel

>>5034092
>Also make sure to put a thousand chaingunners behind pillbox Plutonia foliage. Everyone loves that.
And don't forget a hidden Archie to keep reviving them.

>>5034126
Quakespasm-sdl12 uses the older SDL version 1.2 mouse input and is kept around only for legacy purposes; on most modern systems it has issues with input so a while back QS switched to SDL 2.0 as standard (which is the plain Quakespasm.exe).

How good/shit is your computer? Also, it's not recommended to raise the host_maxfps value above 72 in normal Quakespasm, Quake's physics can do funky things above that.

>>5034160
10603gb and an i7. I think I should be perfectly fine. My only problem is the stuttering that happens occasionally when flicking my view 180°. So far host_maxfps 160 has fixed it the stuttering when flicking for the hour that I played, but the stutter occurs a lot more often on 72. 170+ fps seems to be where the physics break I read, I'll continue tomorrow and see if I get stuck in any maps

PS. what are some recommended map packs/mods? I'm going into Arcane Dimensions after I finish the regular game + expansions. I could play this shit for hours

>>5034169
That sounds like something's fucked up on your end, there shouldn't be any stuttering of any sort going on. Mouse and GPU drivers up to date? Mouse itself isn't having any issues spinning out? Making sure you're using the normal exe and not -sdl12?

>PS. what are some recommended map packs/mods?
Go to Quaddicted, sort by 3/4/5 star, go nuts. Shit's in the infographic, come on man.

>>5034172
Everythings up to date and working perfectly, must only be a problem for me. I can live with it though since it isn't too bad.

Oh and what I meant was specific mappacks and mods like Arcane Dimensions. Personal recommendations from you guys. I read the infographic but I want to know what you guys like or have played, if nothing then I'll explore Quaddicted for a while

>>5034176
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=planetquake-map-of-the-week
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=mustplay
Remember that Arcane Dimensions is, in the grand scheme of things, pretty fucking recent and there's a whole lot of years of stuff to play before that.

>>5034085
Feeling that you have something to convey by means of doing that level, pushing your own limits while doing it, and making sure your own shit sort of makes some semblance of sense at least to you personally.

>>5034145
pls respond

>>5034207
idclev(your map number)
like idclev32
Or map (your map name) in console
like map map32

>>5034145
two ways
1. use the map command
2. use this https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=47204

Holy fuck, Dr Sleep died? Damn man rest in peace

>>5034068
Soon enough, I hope
EDay is gonna be grand, lads

is there a way to convert a wad in zip archive? i opened one with slade but can't find any option to save it as a pk7

>>5034230
Yea, manually

>finally decide to square the fuck up and actually play vanilla Doom via chocolate Doom
>just beat 'Inferno' and moved on to 'Thy Flesh Consumed'
>the game went from being a shitty maze with enemies constantly behind hidden doors to a straight up clusterfuck of spawning monsters
Please tell me Doom 2, TNT, and Plutonia have better consistency.

>>5034270
vanilla and official wads are garbage

>>5034270
plutonia is consistently a dick to you, does that count

>>5034270
>>5034273

TNT Evilution is noice tho.

>>5034145
Disable autosaving.

>>5034270
What's a good doom1 maps remake? Because I honestly can't stand them

god damnit i want to fuck crash.

>>5034270
Are you fucking serious?
"Thy Flesh" came AFTER Doom 2! It's literally just an expansion made like two years after the first three episodes.

>>5034092
>balanced for vanilla gameplay, but is still interesting with gameplay mods
Not the guy you were replying to, but what are some examples of this?

I have a hard time distinguishing when a map is good for only vanilla gameplay, for only modded gameplay, or roughly equally good for both.

>>5034302

>>5034304
Sorry for not knowing everything you know? I don't know what you want me to say, anon. If it came out after Doom 2 then why didn't they just include it in Doom 2? Surely you can see how someone who hasn't played Vanilla Doom before or knows the backstory to any of this can get confused?

>>5034276
In what way? I can stand wave after wave of enemies, but not when it's in a tight labyrinth with no lighting and walls opening up everywhere. That's not fun in the least.

>>5034314
> Sorry for not knowing everything you know?
Well, everybody is supposed to know that.

> why didn't they just include it in Doom 2?
Because Doom 2 was actually made on a slightly updated engine from Doom 1, and so ID wanted to re-release Doom 1, but they didn't want to just re-sell the same game, so they made new content for it.

> Surely you can see how...
Well... maybe? I don't know.
I'm sorry for my autism.
I really do have this problem that if I known something for a long enough time, then I automatically assume that everyone else knows that.
Well, not absolutely everyone of course, I don't expect people who don't play games to know that.

Any one here experience mouse lag with BloodGDX?

>>5033958
I thought Colorfull Hell only changed the base Doom 2 monster line up and not IOS, Keen or the SS guards

>>5034305
>>5034046
Pls respond

>>5034314
plutonia pioneered the "chaingunners with a hidden archvile reviving them" technique, to give you an idea of what you're in for

>>5034336
And people seriously think that's good?

What do you think of the placement of the key icon on the hud? Is it too far from the rest of the hud elements? Should it be toggleable much like an inventory item? (These are not standard doom keys, they work more like Zelda keys)

>>5034338
it was pretty damn good in the early 2000s when you only knew of the official wads

>>5034340
That looks fine to me. If anything, maybe it should be more to the top right, so that the distance between HUD and corner is consistent across all 4 corners.

Kegan man, that second weapon set in Combined Arms with the modular gun feels so lame to use. The shooting has no punch to it on any mode. It feels like a nerf gun. Very very unsatisfying.

>>5034350
Well at least you have the default set to use as well.

I wanna have an old school LAN party and play some fucking Doom and some fucking Quake together with some friends. Figuring that Doom and Quake pretty much run on toasters (moreover Doom than Quake), would all I need are some thin clients and an Ethernet switch? I'd figure that modern-day thin clients can at least play both games in software rendering mode if anything.

Also what would be a good source port for both games for networked play? Networked, not online, mind you...

you guys are gonna bully me for this but Doom 2 never had jumping by default right?

>>5034369
Well, there are only 3 ports that can support any form of multiplayer really
Odamex, Zdaemon and Zandronum
So like, best of them is Zandronum, but it's closer to zdoom than it's closer to vanilla
ZDaemon is fine for Boom maps, if they have ZDaemon support, since ZDaemon can't into MBF
Odamex is Odamex, nobody plays Odamex.

>>5034373
Nope, or crouching, that was stuff the sourceports added.

>>5034373
Yes fcorse, what are you, some underage?

>>5034375
LAN is different; you could probably do gzdoom on LAN and be absolutely fine (to say nothing of chocodoom), and on the quake side of things, you could use just about any port since netquake only shits up online

>>5034369
>that feel when no friends to do this with

>>5034382
It's just easier to set those three up, really. Won't stop you from trying to set up eternity lan party or something

>>5034379
19, just making sure desu

>>5034375
Since you mentioned Zandronum, I see people all the time playing mods in multiplayer but in hardware rendering mode. Would playing mods work in software rendering mode too or do most mods rely on some hardware rendering shit? I'd test this myself but I don't have Zandronum currently, plus I'd like to test it on the thin clients when I do get them.

>>5034385
I'm not sure if my LAN party is going to follow through, anyway; just getting some information. It's better to have friends who are willing to play than just including them for the sake of doing something. One of my "friends" would rather play co-op rather than deathmatch because he's an absolute pussy when it comes to literally anything competitive, but he won't admit it. While I do prefer co-op, I like to frag sometimes too.

>>5034373
I love sourceports breaking the flow of the levels by being able to skip over most segments with a hop.

>>5034392
hardware rendering mode is fancier, software is playable, doesn't really brake map/mod visuals, apart from dynamic lights here and there

What happened to Grandvoid's Zandronum servers? They just vanished out of nowhere a few months ago.

>tfw you want to finally play some serious mods like The Golden Souls 2
>tfw you need to switch from zDoom to GzDoom
>tfw GzDoom is a piece of shit on my machine and keeps on spouting errors (mostly OpenGL acceleration ones or something)
>tfw you apparently need a super computer to play some fucking doom mods
>tfw you're forced to play once again vanilla doom while holding back the tears
perhaps i am autistic but you see i have feelings too

>>5034408
Probably its cluster was shutdown too like Best Ever but for better reasons though.

>>5033138
What I meant was that Quake's campaign is simply a glorified collection of usermaps, and no more than that. Romero's levels don't hold nearly the same weight in it, as they did in Doom. What that means, is that there isn't a correct, "canon", enforced by Quake's campaign, way to map for Quake, the way there IS a correct, "canon" way to map for Doom. Romero's levels aren't "the way it's supposed to be done" and Petersen's levels aren't "and this is how you DON'T map, ever". Both, as well as Petersen's levels and McGee's levels, exist independently, simply showing SOME of the things Quake's engine could be used for and leaving you free to explore whatever similar or different other directions you might fancy.

Seriously. Quake is the game, the focus of which is the very notion of mapping, and the game that has enforced said mapping as a medium of self-expression.

>>5034408
>>5034429
Just searched the Zandronum forums and I'm not finding any info on the matter, shit is strange.

>>5034428
what videocard?

>>5034434
>as well as WIllits' levels

low-key revenant killing kino

>>5034428
buy a refurbished GTX750 or something for like 70 bucks
it isn't exactly the newest shit out there, but it's cheap and will run gzdoom

>>5034439
Intel HD Graphics, Intel Pentium G860 @ 3.00 GHz (2CPUs), 8GB RAM, DirectX 11.

>>5034452
HD Graphics? Question itself is rather redundant, but which one? Pretty sure 4000 can run gzdoom, probably

Project may be on hold, but i'm still gonna fiddle with some of the minor things on the map, like the wall light color here. (as in, what colors look best together)

>>5034428
Dude, I can launch GZDoom on my Win8 tablet. Yeah, a tablet. It has an optional keyboard block though, that's how I play.

>>5034428
>>5034462
gzdoom actually runs on my phone lol

>>5034457
I'm googling a little and it seems that i'm not alone with the problems on an Intel machine... Don't think i have a 4000 btw
>>5034462
i've cracked the most horrible shit on this world and for christ sake i can't make this thing work... if you say stuff like that it seems like it's my fault... don't know where to bang my head anymore though

so this is the infamous arrow

>>5034479
That's simply as spin on his E3M2's arrow (which is subtler). Also, going there without nabbing a plasma rifle first is a pretty bad idea.

>>5034473
yea that doesn't help me much, what version of opengl does it support?

Still got a lot of work left but this is a good start.
Also man it's been so long since I linked a post I can't remember if I'm doing this right or now

javascript:quote('2361275');

>>5034484
YEP I FUCKED UP. IT WAS THE OTHER ONE

>>>/wsg/2361275

>>5034486
Put the face back on. It's more charming/endearing.

>>5034482
Does this help you in any way? sorry for autism

>>5034497
No.

>>5034497
As was the whole 'single finger bolt pull'
this doesn't seem as endearing, soulful, or charming.
it's just a robot dude pulling back a bolt
or a dude in armor.
it doesn't have the same love as the others without that stupid gob on it.

>>5034498
wew old.
Try updating your specs someday really, 750 is fine really. Until then use vintage version of gzdoom.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61800

>>5034501
How soulless.

Old:
>stupids accidental face that looks funny and adds to the charm
>tiny bolt on a pistol plus using a single finger gives a lot more character
>slight comedic air despite not intending to be so

New:
>let's just be realistic and make people care about the mod less.

>>5034507
>>5034502
>unironically using the term "soulless"
Opinion discarded.

>>5034224
Yeah. Anyone have any of his works to recommend? I've played E4M7, and the Master Levels.

>>5034506
kek, ikr. So, it's implicit i can't play that specific mod which only recently came out.. No other way around? I wanted to use this PC until it melted, but i should opt for buying an entire new case, someday.

>>5034507
Sorry, I didn't like the face or the really awkward and lazy old bolt pull. If a goofy face was the only thing attracting you to this character and mod, you could always try one of the joke mods that people have made over the years.

>>5034507 me
To add:
-Old style fits DOOM more, more charming, more air, more passion and love. Fits in with dumb, silly things like the imp, cacodemon, and the like. and he's a robot, so he's got a lot more force per square inch so it looked like has to actively not break the damned bolt on it, which gave more character.

-New style just looks like a generic purple pistol. He's using his whole hand to pull a tiny little bolt. How is he not breaking this thing?

>>5034512
Also try launching it on older versions of gzdoom.
Opengl versions lower than 3.3 support ended only on the last versions of gzdoom, golden souls 2 was released before that.

>>5034513
Agreed.

>>5034509
>Not taking "gormless" and "soulless" as genuine argumentative terms

>>5034513
>Sorry, I didn't like the face
okay, fine, but it "felt" better.
>the really awkward and lazy old bolt pull.
>>5034515
Had more character than the new one, He doesn't need to use his WHOLE HAND to pull a bolt smaller than one's pinky finger. Maybe for a sniper rifle, but this is not a rifle. Furthermore, he's a robot. His movement and animations should be -slightly- stuttery/choppy. Gives more authenticity to a machine; they don't move quite as fluidly, especially for an medieval robot. Furthermore, due to being said machine, he's got more force per square inch and could likely crush every bone in one's body without really trying.
>If a goofy face was the only thing attracting you to this character and mod
It wasn't.

>>5034486
Wait, so the player character isn't even inserting anything into the "mouth"? What's the point then in opening an obvious hole?
I thought that ammo would go there and that this was a reloading animation for when the pistol is out of ammo, not an animation for every time you shoot.

>>5034520
Okay, another thing that bugs me is the bolt itself. There's no need for so much detail on that tiny little piece that the player only sees for a few scant frames, The old one was just a smooth, black bar, this one has all sorts of weird stuff on it, and there's no logistical reasoning for the detail.

>>5034523
THIS especially. Putting the mouth back on and then feeding the bolts in there or having them eject would be a pure form of Kino.

>>5034273

>>5034273

>>5034520
The animations are staying. Sorry. There'll still bit a few other animations with the super kick and staff.
>>5034526
I also wanted to swap the bolt out because that solid black chunk didn't match with anything, so a redesign was needed.

>>5034523
You're gonna load shells into that when you reload. Otherwise you have to ratchet the bolt with each shot, the gun's going to be incredibly powerful, but slow.

>>5034530
>>5034529
whoop. (You)mind.

>>5034531
I'm just saying that, for all intents and purposes, we're talking about a medieval robot. HOW that was cobbled together is beyond all logic aside from 'magic lol', but again, jankier animation looks better for robotics. Exhibit A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCT9eMM0cXchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCT9eMM0cXc

There's a weird 'jankyness' to early movies and animation, that adds a lot of charm to it, and it fits especially well on robotics.

oh another one

>>5034539
My problem is if I go for that, then a lot of the animations will lack punch. I feel if I altered how the left hand reached for the bolt, and then lowered, it'd help, seeing the bolt tug itself is a very sharp motion. I'll fuck about with this later.

>>5034540
That's Romero aping Petersen.

>>5034542
I get what you mean by that. Stuff's hard, but the right balance would make it look ever more stellar.

>>5034540
This is why I try to design without using these arrows, and especially the use of the lamp/lights to indicate direction towards things when it fails

The last we want is a "where the fuck do i go" like hexen, and even most cacowards suffer from a severe case of 'wherethefuckdoigoisis''

>>5034486
It doesn't make a lot of sense for the charging handle to fly out after the gun is ready to fire again.

>>5034338
It does that like, once, or twice.
Otherwise, it has a lot of decent challenges, like Hunted, which was a very unique map for its time.

The levels were designed to consistently give the authors a hard time on Ultra-Violence, they made sure to increase the challenge any time they felt it was getting easy. I think in that regard, it succeeds.
It's not Kaizo tier or anything, however, and there's far meaner levels in other megawads, like Alien Vendetta.
It's not bad. If you find it annoying, try out turning off auto-aim and use freelook with a crosshair, it'll make *some* encounters easier and less annoying to handle, while maintaining a good challenge across the board still.

I think it's a good enough megawad, definitely worth checking out.

>>5034517
Thank you anon. It seems that now i'm playing TGS2 smoothly. I've already replaced all my zDoom files of every game with Gz ones, this means that save files will be destroyed but i have the excuse to replay all of them, at least. For now, it's mod time, hopefully i won't have any other error. Who would've ever guessed that that download link for 32bit machines was the one that actually worked with me. Thanks again buddy

added some zscript to my quickstart map to check if a map actually exists before warping to it
if your version of zdoom doesn't have zscript, the ACS just assumes the map exists and warps

also, something I didn't mention last time: you can use this to hot-swap map packs without losing progress, which is something worth considering for RPG-style mods

>load this PK3 along with your mods and maps
>when you want to switch map packs, "changemap quickstart" and save (if you don't have autosaves)
>quit game, load new maps
>load saved game
>you can now warp to the new maps with your current save

https://my.mixtape.moe/pjczfa.pk3

>>5034567
I'd also check out QZDoom. Basically has everything GZDoom does visual-wise (minus sloped 3d floors iirc), and has the same zscript shit to run modern mods, but it's all in a software renderer that works quite well on old ass integrated graphics chipset (judging by that spec you posted, Intel HD 3000 via a thinkpad or something?).

>>5034569
actually hold up I fucked up the map-checking logic - if a map was missing SEGS/SSECTORS/NODES lumps and a map after it had them, it'd reject the map even if zdoom could still load it

fixed it: https://my.mixtape.moe/kedhsk.pk3

>>5034572
All the stuff QZDoom had is now in GZDoom, so don't bother. It's only worth getting when it really does have some crazy experimental feature that Graf won't take seriously.

>>5034546
Let's give this a shot.

>>5034558
This isn't the only weird thing this gun is gonna do by the time I'm done, it's gonna be a bolt action pistol that's also capable of burst fire where the bolt action won't come into play, along with with firing shotgun blasts and being able to charge several rounds and compress them into a hard explosive shot. Video games.

>>5034584
which wad were those imps from again?

>>5034507
You're making it out to be really horrible, when it's a non-issue.

>>5034572
Thank you. Alas, GzDoom works surely a lot better then before, but sometimes keeps on crashing without any particular reason. I'll try QZDoom now and i'll see the differences.

>>5034558
I don't see why it couldn't. Do we know how it operates mechanically?
It could be spring-loaded and released from a catch by recoil, flipping out on the side, then you pull back on it to cock the action, then fold it closed, the handle engaging the catch again.

>>5034584
Not -quite- there, but yes, this looks quite fitting for a robot.

>>5034594
I think you're exaggerating. I never said it was an issue, only that the older one "felt" better to doom's aesthetic.

>>5034583
Whatever you do, make it at least ZDoom compatible.

>>5034614
I'm gonna keep fucking around with this, I think keeping things smooth but adding a few pauses here and there works better than the last thing I tried.

>>5034635
Yeah, you definitely had the feel of it in the webm, but it still needed refinement

>>5034635
That looks pretty good.

>>5034641
I'm tryin my hardest to git gud at this. I really look forward to working on this robot man so I wanna make this great. His weapons are gonna be a lot of fun to work on.

Also, not really a nessasary thing, but kustam seems to be in quite good shape for a medieval robot, How does he keep in such quality? Don't need to put any rust, wear or tear on the design, I'm just speaking some random mental garbage that popped in my head here. Your character tho, so you probably have an explanation.

>>5034642
Yeah. The 'pauses' are definitely indicative of the same pauses that one would expect out of early robotics

>>5034647
Self repair. The guy carries a repair tool/synringe thing that he can use to restore his HP and help keep himself running good. You'll be able to use this thing while playing as him too, though it'll need a recharge between uses, you'll also be able to jam it into his chest for some extra ammo at the cost of HP because video games. In fact taking damage will play a role into charging his BFG tier ability too, he's a bit of a masochist.
I fucking love lore and flavor text shit.

>>5034656
Ah, okay.
>I fucking love lore and flavor text shit.
Makes us both.

I'm thinking of corridors.

And I'm thinking of adding vapours/steam rising from the floor vents to make it almost Doom 3 like and sinister.

>>5034598
Back to zDoom, it seems. GzDoom Vintage crashes 75% of the time when pressing continue for a new level or when loading a game. I would try QZ but it seems that it's a waste of time just as >>5034583 said. Goodbye mods, it was nice til it lasted.

>>5034583
so, anything that matters?

>>5034683
>>5034583
>>5034572
Nevermind, i tried QzDoom on a whim and i'm amazed at how well it works now. Non-existent lag, and for now not even a crash. Perhaps i've finally found the right engine.

>>5034449
Unironically this.
If you do controlled bursts you give him time to do other things, maybe fire a rocket which you're prepared to dodge, then you resume fire and give him some stunlock. At being half the man a mancubus is he will go down before long.

Why does MIDI sound so good?

>>5034756
It doesn't always sound good but it's working within limitations, which helps promote creativity with what you have.

>>5034756
OPL Emulation is god-tier, especially when its done using the type found in dosbox ("Adlib").
omg adlib omg adlib

It is literally, the exact way, that the designers intended for the music to sound. It is the way it sounded back in the 90s. It is the way every old school gamer remembers it sounding like (unless they were stuck with some shitty port like win95 doom, which could only use windows midi emulation, which is terrible)

Every game also had its own instrument set so, for example, the tracker music in Xcom: Ufo Defense, or from Rise Of The Triad sounds a little different if you put it in a game like doom. Even the instrument sets for the tracker music were catered to the type of "sound" they wanted the player to hear.

>>5034756
It's simple, but if you know what to do with simple, you can make great things.

A borger doesn't need a whole slew of different ingredients to be enjoyable, a rather plain one can be quite pleasant.

>>5034428
>>tfw GzDoom is a piece of shit on my machine and keeps on spouting errors (mostly OpenGL acceleration ones or something)
>>tfw you apparently need a super computer to play some fucking doom mods
try having a pc made after 2010

>>5034863
Try reading the thread before replying; at the current moment it's objectively a poorly optimized piece of shit. At least FOR ME; right now i'm playing steadily at 60 fps with QzDoom, on 'The Golden Souls 2'. So i achieved what i wanted with my PC toaster just as i thought. Thank you anyway, my dear computer technician.

>I'm a man and a half! -comicguy
>I be a quarter of a man! -gmotablaz

>>5034921
When did Blaz learn to round up?

>>5034373
Nope, never.

>>5034863
umm thats actually Pretty Darn Hard to arrange for alot of people, or at least anyone interested in /vr/. If you're interested in /v/ or you're using your work computer then most likely you're playing modern stuff.

Mainly because the cheaper computers that are available are refurbished models from around that time or they're netbooks. The one I picked up a few months ago plays GZ now but im the guy who had the "disgusting" red windows 7 theme running a netbook that couldn't even achieve oGL 2.0.

Turns out this comp was a much better thinkpad laptop, refurb, but it was manufactured in 2012. Doesnt sound too far off from that time period. It runs oGL 4-something but its only a 2 core cpu going at about 1.5 ghz.

Games like GZ do tend to rely alot on CPU power and even so for other games the onboard AMD graphics might require at least 512mb of vram and this one only has 384mb (how they'd pick some non-2-power amount to give it is beyond me).

CIP - you're in /vr/ and one reason that some people go to /vr/ is because they have a toaster or semi-toaster and decide
> "Hah! I can at least still run old games with it! Yeah I remember those quite well, time to get to modding them so they wont be the same old thing"
One reason for buying a toaster is economical, more beer money, having another expensive hobby like collecting guns, saving up for a house, having a big budget for monster drinks, the list goes on.
Im quite happy with how this computer performs, its only some modern games that start slowing it down, and im comfortable (tho not exactly happy) with framerates that dip down around 15. In fact I dont like framerates above 30-40 because I dont like real-life smoothness in my games which are obviously not real life.
Ive run into memory shortages only a few times with the 4 Gb I have, and thats not a big issue for me if its only happened a few times.

>>5034942
One sixteenths of a man?

>>5034958
>CIP - you're in /vr/ and one reason that some people go to /vr/ is because they have a toaster or semi-toaster and decide
Not the case for things done in recent years i.e modern doom mods that try to take advantage of source ports' capabilities.

>>5034905
i wouldn't say that really, given the direction graf is heading, and a majority of playerbase using his port, and majority uses pcs with opengl 3.3 support at the very least. There is no point to cater to minorities and stop the progress just so fridge could run it. Doom itself didn't run on some machines back in the day.

t. graf

>>5034962
1/256ths of a boy

>>5034967
irrelevant
its still lumped in with /vr/ and with old school doom because its BASED on doom and the source ports are based on it's architecture too
It does not get a pass for trying to be "more modern" and it will get shut down by people in an instant because of that.
Its almost like you cant into marketing or something.
> not the case for things done in recent years
> ie, modern doom mods
> modern doom
> modern
this differentiation only applies to YOU buddy
modern doom is either Doom 3 or D44M or the upcoming Doom Eternal and those are all /v/ or /vg/ subjects
there is no modern in Doom1 or Doom2
Get back with reality.

>>5034979
man
am i bad at numbers

>>5034970
Objectively speaking, gzdoom kind of sucks even for users that use 3.3 and up, at least for now.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5035018
>not disabling the weeb girls option
bad admin.

>>5034982
>>5034970
>>5034967
This basically.
The overall architecture for Doom even with the UDMF even adding strong moddability is still stuck way back in yesteryear.

Its technically better than Quake 1 at this point, but even the quake sourceports have surpassed the original limitations for Q1 and they have colored lighting and high def models now. Playing AD is almost a foray into mid 00's 3d gaming and well surpasses anything from the 90s era including HL.

The only way GZ could compete for OpenGL 2.0 or greater capabilities is if, like the queen alien it pulled away from its egg laying sack and got up on its feet to chase ripley. GZ would have to expand its Mapping and Physics Environment and effectively become Q2 idTech level.

GZdoom is, at its foundation, too stuck into the past to compete at a "modern" level for anything. All of the fancy graphics are just window dressing to its foundations which are 90s era 2.5d linedef mapping.

Just imagine if someone said "fuck you graf" and decided to take Quakespasm... and basically transfer the equivalent of DECORATE into it while also providing .md2 support (I dunno does it allow md2's yet?). You would see an enormous migration. People would be remaking doom in quakespasm, modders would be biting the bullet and start trying to make 3d models for it, they'd be giving weapons sprite muzzle flashes, the whole nine yards would be taking place.

Graf better get his shit priorities straight before somebody does something akin to that and makes him irrelevant. Because that shit can come out of nowhere and there's already calls for someone to take the mod stuff of his engine and transfer it to something more stable.

>>5035018
>999999 HP
good boss i like it

>>5035005
They're actively making it worse for the end user (be it people playing it or mod developers) by changing/removing shit with no substantial improvement to show for it.

>>5035020
How do I add ""weeb"" girls to my doom?

>>5035018
How much you wanna bet that it's also so fucking fast it can outrun doomguy?

>>5035023
such majesties would only happen in best timeline

>>5035023
>Playing AD is almost a foray into mid 00's 3d gaming
I personally wouldn't consider a good thing. The genre went SERIOUSLY apeshit after HL's smashing success. I still wonder how basically a 3D Another World's clone, on Q1's engine no less, could possibly inflict that much harm. Not that I even have a problem with Another World, in fact, I sincerely like both AW and Heart of Darkness. And Shiny's Messiah, talking about 3D games and Another World clones, is one of my favorite games ever.

Half-Life though

>>5035018
What is this?

>>5035027
Comple domple clusterfuck edition
Don't even bother they are exactly one step behind enemies in terrywads

>>5035049
granted AD with no centralized plotline, and some of the limitations of its material doesnt hold a candle to Half Life 2 or FEAR or Halo 2. But the amount of detailing in it, the design and architecture, the richness of atmosphere pushes it well into and past RTCW.
> funny that when I think of 1999-2001 nothing really comes to mind in the FPS arena, kinda a big dead zone, probably because Quake 3 and UT hit the community so damn hard nobody was interested in making anything else besides redneck rampage and deer hunter shovelware

>>5035068
There were Monolith's cinematic games (which originated from Shogo, not HL)? Also, Halo 1 (OG XBoX version).

>>5035023
Just so you know, Vavoom had all you've mentioned plus Quake 3 tier lighting with lighmaps 10 years ago and --brace for it-- Graf was a contributor to Vavoom. Unfortunately its development stopped.
But you've described the exact reason Graf should quit. He's not talented enough to re-create Vavoom and even if he did, Doom is for creativity and not for turning its players into involutary NVidia drivers beta tester.

>>5035023
I sincerely hope that I'll live up to that day. As much as I love Doom, Quake still has a special place in my heart and I believe it deserves more love and new gameplay mods

>>5035069
yeah but since xbox is such a black box all to itself I dont count Halo 1 because it wasnt released for PC until like 2003 or something.

Im not all that familiar with Monolith's other games besides FEAR. I remember hearing about that girl-spy game (The Agent?) but not much else.

>>5035078
> graf was a contributor to vavoom
> unfortunate its development stopped
thats not a good reference for a resume

>>5035080
See just look at how much of a demand there is for that. And just imagine if someone did that shit with Quake2 engine or better yet took one of its source ports (berserker?) and pulled that shit. There is such a silent demand for this, and the only reason nobody has pulled the pin on that grenade is because they dont know the pin can be pulled. Its not an easy thing to do, but experience serves that it is doable.

You know, that reminds me.

Are there any entirely heightmap/voxel-based games with sizable usermap communities built around them? Basically, what I'm looking for, is something like Doom, in the sense of levels being effectively-2D-with-height-differences, BUT with infinitesimal sectors (well, pixels of the heightmap). So, like the entire game would be built around doing Doom-like combat on this really REALLY rugged terrain with trenches, and walls, and hills, and outposts, and you could make elevators or doors by animating groups of those infinitesimal-sectors-texels-of-the-height-map somehow, stuff like that. Like rugged-terrain-Doom. With hundreds, thousands of already existing usermaps. Is there anything like that?

I know early Delta Force games are voxel-based, but I don't know anything about them otherwise. I doubt they are like Doom though?

>>5035080
QuakeC. Or its compiler specifically. It's odd, nobody likes it, Carmack never liked it, so he removed it for Quake 2, which is very hackable in plain C, but the problem there is you have to compile platform specific binaries and that's a problem for windows users which are probably 90%

>>5035080
>>5035089
Imagine someone doing a megamod for Q2 that put Q1 monsters in it, tying together the "strogg shipping crates" mystery with strogg secret bases that've been overrun by Shub's minions and even necromancers and wraiths who've gone into business for themselves in the wake of Shub's demise
> high def or even original Q1 textures used for the maps
> added weapons like the way the Widowmaker and Plasma Guns have been inserted... to bring Nailguns and RL replacement into Q2

Shamblers, Vores, Ogres, Fiends, even Death Knights... fighting in a 3 way battle against the player and Stroggos enforcers, tanks, and gunners.
> the railgun is an option against all of these creatures

There's only so much I can take before I cum.

>>5035109
Ken Silverman years ago made a Wolfenstein clone entirely in voxels. Including the scenery and you could tunnel everywhere with enough patience. Google for it maybe it's still on his website. It's a windows only demo.

>>5035119
I am talking more like Outcast's terrain, than volumetric walls you could punch through. Like, columns voxels grow strictly vertically from the zero level to the levels specified by the respective texels of the heightmap, forming a surface you subsequently walk upon, jump around upon, hide behind, slide down, etc.

>>5035119
> demo
there's nothing that makes people angrier than a demo, its right up there with arabs raping european women

>>5035132
>columns of voxels

>>5035132
I am also talking about this Outcast specifically:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/336610/Outcast_11/

Anyway, I guess I'll just take a look at those Delta Forces. I doubt there are any other voxel-y rugged-terrain-y games with sizeable communities.

>>5035134
I don't know why but Ken is not having a great time lately. He sould have released the source code for that.
>>5035132
The only other thing that come to mind and which is moddable is Sauerbraten/Cube/Cube2.

>>5035149
>Sauerbraten/Cube/Cube2
Thanks!

>>5035089
This is just circumstantial, but the timeline goes:
. Graf joins Vavoom as a contributor
. They announce that going forward they're going to drop the software renderer
. The development stopped for 10 years now
But maybe it's just a coincidence.

>>5035119
http://voxelstein3d.sourceforge.net/

Not to be confused with Super Wofenstein3D which kind of does something similar.

>>5035058
Complex clusterfuck.

>>5035149
ive never played Cube2, when I picked it up it seemed broken and wouldnt display player models or such... ive never seen that game in any functioning state

>>5035139
>>5035148
One thing I had a remarkable idea for was a brush-based tile game FPS which basically goes off of what ROTT did except with a wide variety of wall shapes which would be textured in 3d.
Any large flat surfaces like the ground, or the areas (dead noclip space) encapsulated by a section of walls could be defined as a contiguous object. In the case of dead space it could generate wall tiles inside if you blew a hole in a wall or a wall piece moved revealing it. Floors wouldn't have to be made up of a bunch of tiles, it just tiles graphics across them like doom's flats work.

Idea is you're not technically dealing with a 3d modelled environment, no BSP trees necessary, and if you have a decent number of shapes for wall and object tiles you can still have a rather decent FPS experience which is fully 3d.

>>5034327
Thats correct, so custom final bosses tend to feel like a joke compared to how absurd even normal enemies get. In that regard, at least puzzle bosses like Icon of Sin feel at least more climactic.

i just remembered caleb's voice actor voiced some characters in a mario party game and metroid m, so therefore caleb confirmed for smash before samsara

>>5035169
There are two renderers in Sauerbraten. One uses shaders, one is OpenGL 1.x compatible. It's a setting. Works very well, even on a Raspberry Pi and I consider it to be some sort of Easy Quake because it includes the map editor and the tools. Just press "e" and you can multiplayer edit.

>>5034046
Has someone ever fucking tried to remake Dark Forces into eduke or gzdoom?

>>5034310
i wish someone could mod working hands into Q3A models

THPS3 Doomguy is literally the same model with working hands

>>5035212
The latter has been attempted a few times.

redneck GDX is out

Vavoom 1.32 circa 2010. 32 bits colors, colored dynamic and static lights with shadows, perspective correct software renderer. But then Graf contributed to it.

>>5035262
Neat. Gonna wait to play until it's further developed, but still neat.

>>5035268
whoa
wtf

where do i get the weeb girls for complex doom?

>>5035298
Through complex doom clusterfuck. They'll kick your ass into next year.

i still don't understand what freedoom's ss replacements are

For the one guy who is using this, here
https://mega.nz/#!b9lAFILR!iXHElc2yhabawXBVjVGlzvDQjAw4OWZJ0rRz--KgzF4
Video for everybody else of what I did is here since it's too huge and kinda needs to be like this.
https://my.mixtape.moe/wxzrci.webm
Should be universally compatible, if you want to use your own sprite you can replace RCHRA0, B0, or C0 to replace the cross, dot, or arc crosshair respectively. Loading a pk3 with just that image in a sprites folder should work. If you're really adventurous you can use RCHRD0-Z0 and manually set the rc_shape cvar to the appropriate value (RCHRD0 = 3, RCHRE0 = 4...). This should work based on the code I used, but i haven't tried it. Crosshairs should be grayscale and centered.

>>5035172
which ones?

>>5035406
for the mario party game, i think he was the announcer
in the metroid m one, maybe some commander or coronal, i dunno

Remember: if you are playing a pirated copy of DOOM 2 you are going to HELL.

>>5035409
Oh god please I don't need a mod where every enemy in Blood is replaced with Toad that constantly screeches ala Super Toad 64.

>>5035440
and if you play an unregistered copy of Heretic they'll send a Maulotaur after you.

>>5035464
Don't joke about that my brother died from a maulotaur attack.

>>5035403
Not the anon who originally asked for it, but I started using it a week ago and I think it's pretty cool, keep up the good work.

>>5035390
>>5035440
Have you ever noticed that when you dopen a door in Doom, the sound actually says: "turbodooor" and when it closes is says: "cloooose"?

I feel like that in some way, Eternal's old school inspired designs may make more sense in terms of context and game design, comapred to 16's designs
>Mancubus' new face actually shows an angry emotion, making him feel more of a threat
>6 nipples fit with the idea of him being an angry fat bastard
>Green haired dudes with red eyes is easier to be read as "zombie" than guys who merged their flesh with white armor and a sci fi gun, since those look more like unintentional cyborgs
>Health pick ups are a medkit and blue bottles, which fit more as health pick ups, since the blue glowy items in 2016 could be mistaken as plasma ammo
>Plasma rifle looks distinctive enough from machine guns, because 2016/3 made it seem like plasma rifles are just assault rifles that shoot lasers balls and not their own thing
>The weird flesh corrupting earth fits with the idea that hell is a strange, weird dimension, which can also help it to make it more scary
>More colors, to make levels more interesting and memorable
>Maybe Doomguy showing more skin makes him stronger, since he's reaching silly levels of strenght
It's like this realization that in some way, these older designs made more sense, which is probably why they're that iconic
Not that new designs are bad, because some of the weapons and demons also look good

>>5035520
Old id were very good at giving weapons and monsters a sort of unique silhouette, they were highly distinctive from each other so there was no time or effort needed to identify them.

Meanwhile with Doom 4 (and 3 to some extents) you kind of have to think about what something else.

Quake mapping isn't hard until you get to the fucking lighting.

>>5035023
it's time to embrace the unreal engine
>b-but it's too hard and time consuming!
no is not, you just not want to read or watch a fucking tutorial and want everything served on a silver plate

>>5035536
Anything isn't hard until to get to the fucking lighting and scripting.

>>5035536
this is why you stick to doom and flick your scroller

>>5035550
Doom mapping is hard if you want to nail the item/monster placement properly, otherwise ends like Doom 2 or Plutonia.

>>5035541
exactly and there's nothing wrong with that either, this is the modern era, the time is right

Also nobody wants to listen to some jackass on youtube for 30-60 minutes, I do not look up how-to videos. Ive got several reasons for this.

I need a blog or other site with a how-to illustrated and written out to scroll down, read, and go page by page. That way I can screenshot it or save it as a pdf file so I can peruse it at leisure later on. And so I remove the auditory part of it since im not an auditory learner.

>>5035530
Although, something i liked about Doom 4 is making up hell versions of gameplay stuff like barrels and computer maps, which kinda mirrors who the same was always done for keys

>>5035530
I don't think that's the case at all, enemies look distinct from one another enough to be told apart from a crowd or from afar. even in Doom 3 they had some easily recognizable bodyframes and moreso in 4, which is particularly important since running around the environments is a thing you do half the time and you need to be able to tell them apart in the heat of battle.

>>5035390
The beauty of freedoom is that with freedoom you can decide for yourself what you're looking at.

>>5035549
it would have been neat if they released the assets used to make that intro

one detail about e2m4 i haven't seen brought up in the doomwiki is the crusher with eyes

>>5035557
Well that's just inherent to any mapping, not any different from Quake.

>>5035575
can't that be said of any texture?

>>5035586
lmfao, funny you post this because i just did a shitty scribble of something similar. (basically just some loose scribble silhouettes of some Doom-Classic styled "gore keys"

Make these dudes into real enemies or passive entities and I'll love you

>>5035586

>>5035567
>>5035541
> current year 2018
> not wanting things on a silver platter
> and getting them on that silver platter too
WTF is wrong with you
computer shit has been around for like 40 fucking years now
> FORTY

>>5035536
It's hard if you try to make it realistic, which you can't anyway because Quake point lights have linear decay by default, because they were meant to be displayed without gamma correction, so...
What you do instead in Quake is you place those point lights at random or where you feel like and then you call it moody and mysterious artistic lighting.

>>5035593
>there's more than just that silly animation
Holy shit. You releasing these dudes? Might be nice as 'mini archviles' where you wouldn't want a full archvile fight and it's annoying fire, but still want the same general behavior.

>>5035593

Are there any Quake mods with a chainsaw or equivalent weapon?

>>5035604

>>5035604
I'm getting serious RED copypasta vibes for some reason

>>5035610

>>5035567

there is a gorillion tutorials, written and recorded; free and paid; there is even official documentation and official tutorials, heck, the engine is open source and documented up the ass, the engine comes bundled with working projects (one is an fps project btw), I don't know what more do you need to start making shit aside of a bit of desire to live

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/
https://academy.unrealengine.com/

I'm not saying you need to jump and make unreal tournament 4, the engine is flexible enough to make a doom clone with the capabilities everybody here request long ago, because the engine is practically unlimited in terms of what you can do whit it

and despite what many people think, the engine can be very light on resources if you READ and take the time tweaking it (it works on mobile phones)

>>5035615
Stop cockteasing us.

>>5035593
Thats awesome. Reminds me of that gif of a medikit morphing into an Archvile. I can just imagine walking up to grab the key after a tough battle and suddenly being greeted and assumably electrified by this dude.

>>5035610
UNF

>>5035619
Reminds me of the necromancer's flesh golem animation for Diablo 2

>>5035567
>>5035616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkRuqyNT_4

>>5035616
Unreal and Unity are big communist projects. We will never obey AMANDA A. BOTT. Because we have a soul. But thank you for trying.

>>5035642
ok, have fun being gagged by graf

>>5035629
Honestly i think each thing must be on each place, this guy are clearly trying some Doom-inspired game even in the visual standard, that said, it was better if he used GZDoom instead of UE4, imo.

Whenever i see something like that, i think in like a guy using a Tractor to drag a pencil tied by a twine.

>>5035647
>i think in like a guy using a Tractor to drag a pencil tied by a twine
that's what confuses people, as a flexible engine, you can transform it con a john deere, a lamborghini or a lada (I bet you a testicle that implementation of the game runs faster than in gzdoom)

>>5035629
Looks forced and goofy. And WE WILL NOT BE RECALLED.
>>5035643
Legacy, Eternity, PrBoom+, Vavoom, Doomsday... Nonbody has to be gagged by Graf. Also learn to program in C, hack those engines, fix bugs, add features. It's the best part.

>>5035629
This is similar to an idea I've had for a while, which is why not just make a "Doom-like" game engine that uses UDMF/Boom but isn't actually trying to be Doom specifically? Mapping in those formats is easy, so long as the engine uses DoomEdNums etc. Make a generic "retro shooter" engine that's open source and easy to use and let people go nuts with it. There's no need to force something with oodles of legacy compat and shitcode like GZDoom for people who essentially just ant to make a different game entirely.
I dunno, maybe I'll do it eventually.

>>5035570
That kind of varied. For instance the Arch-Vile was way too easy to be mistaken for an Imp at a distance, because they were both gray humanoids.
It would really have helped if they had colored up the monsters in Doom 3 some.

>>5035658
I know it is a very flexible engine, however i think for whenever you use it to make a sprite-based game, you are thrashing out like 80% of the engine's capabilities just to favor it's easy-to-use logics, blueprints with C++ are sure nice, but there are other engines more lightweight for sprite-based games.

UE4 for me will always be for games that wants to be ambitious in graphics to reach what Paragon once was.

Hey boys so what ever happened to the GZDoom Bumpmapping thing? Are people still working on it?

Truly the game for 30 year-old boomers.

>>5035664
You're right. As you can tell from pic related, which is a screenshot of Doom 3, it's really hard to tell things apart in Doom 3.

>>5035676
I think so. Still looks weird though.

>>5035662
oh yeah, I'm still trying to finish my prboom+ mod backlog (...)

>>5035663
https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/work-in-progress/1373235-doom-e1m1-remake-with-ue4-and-freedoom-assets

>>5035686
oh, i actually had it confused for a black square at first that's the joke

>>5035681
https://youtu.be/HcltPmP_1uE?t=40s

>>5035692
well, look at that, the guy even made a tutorial:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/1520242-very-easy-and-simple-doom-like-sprite-based-character

>>5035692
Yeah that's not what I mean. Not UE4. I mean a custom engine that's made to function like a really beefed up version of build or something for modern PCs, but still looks retro and accepts an easy to use format like UDMF for maps and maybe AngelScript for entity logic.

>>5035691
There are a ton of BOOM-compatible mods, but if you want to play anime mods you can use ZDoom. The best anime mods, like Brutal Doom works perfectly with ZDoom, just be sure to leave out the "G".

>>5035692
>with UE4 and Freedoom assets
That's going to be great. be sure to use the nazi replacement >>5035575 from Freedom.

>>5035609
There is and it's the scariest chainsaw I've ever seen. It's like it's growing thick curly hair out of the chain itself.

>>5035713
isn't mine

>>5035720
sounds wonderfully eldritch

I remember Kinsie once saying he planned on player sprites in MetaDoom and maybe a combination of elements from Doomguy's armor designs he had.
I wonder if Morgon would get a Crash inspired armor, while the VFR combat chases could get something inspired by the MP armors from D4.

>>5035740
>Morgon
Major Morgan*

>>5035704
>best anime mods, like Brutal Doom

>>5035541
it's a real balls breaker to change your comfy environment that you are accustomed for for another unknown one, even if you know it's for the better
I'm still doing shit in unreal engine 2 for a dead game, I know the editor from the inside out, I dream of porting all the ut2004 unrealscript code to unreal engine 4 but you know what's stopping me?, laziness
since unreal engine 4 became available I could have done that 10 times

>>5035704
I don't even like anime or anime girls inserted into literally everywhere they don't belong

>>5035757
what about her

>>5035761
>

>>5035403
Based anon keeps delivering the goods. Thank you, gonna go take it out for a spin right now.

>>5035023
>Just imagine if someone said "fuck you graf" and decided to take Quakespasm... and basically transfer the equivalent of DECORATE into it
learn quakeC you dumb motherfucker

>>5035467
>>5035769
Thanks guys. Let me know if you find something wrong. I'll be in the thread for a few more hours today.

>>5035693
>peak human genetics
>crooked teeth

>>5035779
the british were ubermensch all along.

>>5035779
britannia! rule the waves, they say

>>5035598
>Quake point lights have linear decay by default,
Lemme tell you about tyrutils SONNNN

>>5035773
Working brilliantly. Just exactly what I wanted it to do.

You mentioned how to add extra spirtes, but If I wanted to add a "White" color for the present sprites, how would I go about that? I'm sure it's trivial but I've never done that sort of thing before.

>>5035802
Oh, I didn't really consider that. It requires a bit of hacking in the files since the colors need to be hard-coded into TRNSLATE. I could add it though, along with some mother colors if you have more that you want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXyKucL30yE

>>5035809
Ooh interesting, I see. Does the game read HEX color values or what does it interpret?

If you could just add white along with the existing colors that'd be perfect, but if you don't feel like it please don't, this is already fantastic. You even added the size scale, that's awesome too.

>>5035819
Actually I just had a crazy idea that might allow for even better color customization. I can totally add white though, even if it doesn't work. Let me try some stuff.

>>5035818
thats really impressive.

>>5035819
I love the fact that the only kind of flashlight you can make in GZDoom is one that points straight ahead, otherwise it would generate shadows.

>>5035779
That's not exactly a human though
engineers are shitty though anyway, mala'kak all day.

gonna record this map as it should be with developer's commentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-lpSBksudw

>>5035796
That's pure heresy. However, Quake 2 is even worse because point lights are the same as in Quake, surface emitters have quadratic decay. Why did they do that is and probably will remain a mystery.

what's that one doom map where the blue key falls down a sink drain when you go to get it?

>>5035819
https://mega.nz/#!e8s23C6K!HxkdAFayVCFjkOOFJyXsQsTubrfcAdu9gaga63yRQJw
Welp, white added. My stupid custom color hackery has been foiled, sadly, but maybe I'll hack together some ACS tomorrow to make it work.
>ZScript can't set Stencilcolor
Literally how is this a limitation?

>>5035854
iogw.wad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86vjV2-1dMI

>>5035856
Can't thank you enough, you're a real cool dude.

>>5035858
no, it was something else. i think maybe a teamtnt wad??

>>5035860
I'll be even cooler when I spit in the face of ZScript tomorrow and make the color fully customizable by allowing the rgb channels to be set. :^)

>>5035860
Even works with TargetSpy with no issues
(1/2)

>>5035870
(2/2)

>>5035873
(probably should have chosen a better screenshot to demonstrate but oh well)

FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOM!!!

>>5035881
>tfw trapped between a rock and a hard place but you make it out

>>5035886
oh i am laff.

>>5035853
tyrutils will support quake 2 (says the legend)

>>5035848
>FIREBLU messing with the recording
every time
what sort of eldritch magic is this?

>>5035902
the alternating red and blue utterly confounds compression algorithms

>>5035910
It utterly confounds human minds too. I don't even want to think on what the fuck a program is doing with it.

>>5035902
the algorithm has a hard time following pixels that are not there anymore

>>5035901
That's never going to happen BUT I like the fact that it supports Hexen 2. One day I tell you. One day somebody is going to do something really nice with that engine.

>>5035923
The human brain has a hard time just comprehending fireblu as it is
Like, what the fuck is even fireblu?

>>5035935
You don't wanna know.

>>5035935
Demon jism?

>>5035940
The closest possible relation is the cacodemon so fuck, might as well be.
Fireblu is Fireblu. It's an enigma in of itself. Like any form of tesseract or recursive shape.

>>5035848

not sure if vertigo is around, but here's the shitty video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHti3lfmpk

>>5035947
>commentary is way too quiet

>>5035853
>That's pure heresy.
why

>>5035947
tl;dr: only thing stopping this from being redone in gzdoom is the visual unable to be replicated in it.

this is the gl render.

>>5035973
Because Quake's look and feel depends on lights behaving the way they do. For example, if lights have quadradic decay that meanst the never quite get to zero, which prevents you from making essentially black corners on purpose.
If you remember Quake 2 introduced quadratic decay on surface emitters and radiosity. That's some great improvement on paper, but tunrned out that people liked it less than before. In fact they went back for Quake 3.

>>5035993
oh, it's you
tell us about how much you hate sock

>>5035991
oh. well then it really is that simple
Is there a way to force the software render in mapinfo or something? Doesn't seem to be possible

>>5035997
I hate all the Arcane Dimensions people. They've essentially made another game (including extensive changes to the tools and the engine) and called it Quake. It's great, but it's not Quake.

>>5036003
They call it Arcane Dimensions, retard.

>>5036006
I'm sorry I was under the impression Arcane Dimensions is presented everywhere as a mod for Quake.

>unfiltered texture mode in eduke32: stutter every 2-3 seconds
>filtered texture mode in eduke32: butter smooth 120-130fps
please no. not like this.

Unrelated to anything, the Eureka Editor for Doom:
http://eureka-editor.sourceforge.net/
Has been updated recently. It's a really good.

>>5036008
>a mod for Quake shouldn't be called a mod for Quake
Are you off your meds?

>>5036008
...because it is? Does using sourceport features not make it Quake? Do you want them to call it "Arcane Dimensions, a mod for the Quake game running on modern ports derived from the Quake engine"? Boy what a catchy line.

>>5036019
>>5036020
Just report.

>>5036020
Arcane Dimensions is a mod for a game called QuakeSpasm, which is derived from Quake, but it's not Quake. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not Quake.

>>5036029
Literally kill yourself.

>>5036025
No, shut up faggot. Someone can post something that I disagree with without me running to the mods.
>>5036029
Then why does it require the Quake gamefiles to run?

>>5036025
Fuck off.

>>5036034
>>5036036

This is the same faggot that accused someone in the webm thread of faking their gameplay. I'm not taking any chances, you fucking thicklipped cunts.

>>5036029
Pedantic as fuck.

>>5035947
you could replace it with psx sky really, basically, same effect but works with hardware renderer

>>5036038
Is it? How do you know, o mighty wannabe janny?

>>5036043

>>4965287
>>4965287
>>4965287
>>4965287


Because I was in that thread.

>>5036049
So what one is he supposed to be, the Anonymous one?

>>5036038
Are you really such a loser that you try to keep track of personalities on an anonymous forum and think everybody else cares?

>>5036051
The nigger crying about Arcane Dimension's existence, and acting like a pretentious cunt.

>>5036057
So you have no fucking clue and are stringing together completely unrelated posts in completely different topics and think that it's only one person.

>>5036056
>>5036061
Right I forgot we can only point out problem posters if they're using trips.

>>5036034
AD is incompatible with the Quake engine. Try to run it on TyrQuake (which is the sourceport that's closest to the original Quake) and what happens is it just crashes.
AD requires the the QuakeSpasm game engine to run. The QuakeSpasm engine was written many years after Quake was shipped.

I love that this thread has both people being genuine bros and people acting like retards and starting flame wars in the process. Perfect episode of the /vr/ doom community right here

>>5036064
Because that's literally the only way to actually consistently identify who is who, you fucking crybaby.
You're not an internet detective, you're not the thought police, people are allowed to disagree with you, people are allowed to argue, and stop telling everybody to report just for disagreeing when you shit up the thread harder than anything else with your fucking bawling.

>>5034449
>>5034730
The chaingun's power is underrated, few vidya machine guns are as capable of immobilizing enemies as reliable as it can.

>>5036071
>shitposter who just HAPPENS to have the same typing quirk and personality and targets the same fanbase as someone on this thread appears in another and shits in the soup
>hurr durrr, how can you be sure it's him, durrrr

You are actually fucking defending him.

>>5036067
>Try to run it on TyrQuake (which is the sourceport that's closest to the original Quake)
No, it isn't. TyrQuake supports BSP2, colored lighting, Fitzquake protocol demos and limits, etc. You're thinking of Winquake.

>>5036041
That's not the issue, though. I specifically selected the firelava/firewala sky, or i would have picked the psx skies.
the sky is fine; it's the lighting that only looks right in Software

>>5036074
>the same typing quirk and personality
What the fuck is this, Homestuck? Are you so far stuck up your ass trying to be an internet sleuth that you're trying to compare writing styles? Are you autistic?

>>5036079
Not an argument.

>>5035593
>>5035586
>>5035615
>>5035610
>>5035604
so uh, these gonna be submitted to R667 when coded or?

>>5036079
Do we really need a repeat of the last time someone had to explain typing styles to your autismo ass? Why don't you do everyone a favor and fuck off back to 8ch.

>>5036014
This doesn't happen to me at all, are you running it on a toaster?

>>5036090
I suspect Graf may have contributed to eDuke32 too, maybe under an alias.
Jonof is what you want for Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior anyway.

>>5036068
Sorry did I write episode I meant epidome. Fucking autocorrect

>>5036090
APU HP laptop with less than 1gb of ram power and no cooler. fucking can't live with this. saving up for a new rig.

>>5036078
dunno dude, can't see anything wrong with that.

>>5036115
didn't want to include the screenie, but whatevs

>>5036115
I don't think you get it. See: >>5035991
is the wrong one
pic related is the right render.

>>5036105
*Epitome

>>5036125
oh well, sure

>>5036112
Yeah, it appears that either you're running out of (V)RAM somehow or the performance hit for unfiltered textures hits much harder on your PC because of how bad it is in the first place. Take >>5036101 advice and use the Jonof ports.

I'm a complete ZScript noob, how can I make piercing bullets without +RIPPER? Spawning a new projectile doesn't work because the new bullet flies straight ahead instead of keeping the same trajectory as the original bullet.

>>5036134
S'just the wrong shader and all. The statues don't look right, and the lighting doesn't quite visualize proper.

guess i'll try to put in another message about software render if that occurs.

>>5036141
nah its fine i got it

>>5036148
I mean in any maps that use the software render if required. If a map requires HOMS, it's likely to be the same deal.

>>5036140
Why do you want to avoid +RIPPER?

>>5036161
Because it doesn't like projectiles with a small hitbox

Probably a dumbass question, but what version of GZDoom does Doom RPG need? Been trying to get it set up. I've got the launcher and everything, but most of the GZDoom versions I've seen recommended for it doesn't work.

>>5036167
Try overriding CanCollideWith(). Apparently the ZDoom wiki says if you damage the other actor directly during that call it'll blow up the engine or something, but spawning in a really small explosive dummy might work.

>>5036140
look up SpecialMissileHit

>>5036140
>Spawning a new projectile doesn't work because the new bullet flies straight ahead instead of keeping the same trajectory as the original bullet
new.vel = old.vel
new.pos = old.pos + old.vel

>>5035757
Understandable

>>5036209
Why the fuck would you have those for enemies?

They don't even work mixed with the normal ones.

>>5036209
why is there mario

>>5036217
they're skins

Can anyone tell me the name of the song on map 18 of the 300 minutes of VR mapping wad?

>>5034403

And then there are the mods for those sourceports.

>>5036269
Modded runs are in themselves another gameplay opportunity

>>5036269
also map?

holy shit fuck rabid transit
whoever came up with this trash needs to get sounded with a concrete rod

>>5036278

MAP30 of Resurgence. My best DS run of it was 5m 58s.

>>5036285
surprised i didn't recognize it

>>5035609
A Roman Wilderness of Pain.

You guys know how there's the Columbine mod? Well, somebody should create a mod where you play at Elliot Rodger and shoot up couples.
The name? No Breast for the Living

>>5036302
>no breast for the living
spoiler that shit for better comedic effect

>>5036302
I was going to call you edgy but that's a pretty good pun

You guys know how there's the Columbine mod? Well, somebody should create a mod where you play as Elliot Rodger and shoot up couples.
The name? No Breast for the Living
Forgot image with previous post.

>>5036307
>no breast for the living

>>5036307

>>5036307
Except Elliot Rodgers didn't really kill any couples, he was too pussy for that. Nerds tho.

Is the original Wolfenstein 3D still worth playing nowadays, or did Doom 1 and 2 basically surpass it in every imaginable way?

Wondering if I should plop it on DOSBox, or if I should just play Wolfendoom's original missions, if that?

>>5036313
It's a bunch of completely 2D mazes with like 5 textures. I'm sure it was good for the time, but it's not enjoyable for more than a couple levels.

>>5035765
Imptan is a good girl.

>>5036315
I always thought it was a missed opportunity for demons in HDoom to just want to gib Doomguy instead of weakening him to gangrape him or something.

>>5036325
Doomguy is no dumb shota, he's too dignified for that. The demongirls consider him a serious threat until he subdues them.

>>5036325
YES

>>5036331
MAYBE

>>5036331
NOT REALLY

New screen for my map. Tried a little reflective experimentation and made the map-start teleporter pad look like an eye of sorts.

>>5036362
fuck wrong screenshot

>>5036016
>>5034047

>>5036016
What are the key advantages of Eureka over other editors available?