/vr/ - Retro Games

wtf who complained about that cakewalk piece of shit?

>>497237
5 year old me, until I figured it out then smacked myself for being retarded

>>497229

I don't think anyone said this dude was hard. He's not. But he is annoying as shit.

>>497237
I always read posts of people who piss and moan about how bad he was.

>>497257

Maybe you need to read those posts harder. Most people were just pissed off about getting knocked into the hole. It is pretty fucking annoying, particularly the first time you face him.

>>497265
boss health resetting really pissed me off because I would also fall alot as a kid

>>497265
Well continually getting knocked into a hole would make him difficult then to some people.

>>497281

His health reset? I forgot all about that, if I even noticed in the first place.

It wasn't difficult, annoying, or the least bit interesting outside its look. Zelda II version can be cheesed, but when you fight fair it's an interesting fight.

>>497304
all of Link's Awakening was super fun.

Ironically this exact same fight is super fun on Link's Awakening with the Roc's Feather.

Hey.

The birds in Ninja Gaiden

>duck
>turn
>slash
>continue

>>497305
You son of a bitch.

>>497305
Hey what? Can't you ride momentum and time jumps?

>>497305
Harder to figure out than any boss since not even the manual tells you about it, and there's no hint in-game, or is it required to do anywhere else, and just fuck Carnival Night Zone, the whole level was shit.

Everyone rants and raves at how hard the hammer bros were in the original SMB. They were all babies who were too afraid of them so they stand still hoping for them to get in a better position. They usually spawn in a good spot so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid hammers.
>the enemy that killed me the most in SMB is the buzzy beetle.

>That worm in LttP
>Difficult

No one ever said it was difficult, but frustrating, which it was.

>>497348
I really don't know why but I figured it out right away when I was a kid. Looking back I can tell it wasn't intuitive but for whatever reason I didn't have any issues with it.

>>497369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nih0xD0ZtTs#t=78s

>>497369
You know they chase after you if you wait long enough, right?

in every RPG ever

>>497391
>>497396

Anyone who pussyfoots that long deserves it. You've got to stand there for a good 40-45 seconds, which is like an eternity to stay on one screen in SMB1.

>>497404
I've heard people complain about rats being annoying but who has said they are difficult?

this guy isnt hard but the magic inside of him is the hardest boss Ive ever faced

>>497396
>>497369
>They were all babies who were too afraid of them so they stand still hoping for them to get in a better position.

yes I know they start following you. Which is why you need to fight your urge to go slow and get out of there as fast as possible. Otherwise (in the case of meeting 2)you get stuck in a loop where one of their hammers keeps you from killing or dodging the other.

The hardest one was the single hammer bro you meet in 8-?.

>>497428
>SMB
>going slow

Same goes for his stage lasers.

In fact, ditto for the whole NES series. Even if you only use the Mega Buster, it's not that difficult. Mega Man 1 is the only game that's even kind of challenging, and that's because of the Rock Monster.

>>497471
To be honest the pooping ogres were way worse. They each take 10 hits to kill, more than most of the bosses I think, and if you get stuck with two coming at you one on top of another, also while having to dodge those birds, you're boned.

sometimes these guys hit you while youre jumping but I dont think theyre very hard

>>497463
no, just gutsman's platforms in the beginning stage. Fuck that! I still can't do it.
>>497484
he's saying that everyone thinks this enemy is hard but it really isn't. That said, yeah the ogres that sit on ladders sucked. Especially when a bird decides to fly at ground level and the ogre shoots you at head level. Can't jump, you get hit. Can't duck the projectile cause you can't dodge bird.

>>497489
Who ever thought those guys were annoying? They only ever annoy me on speedruns.

>>497229
Moldorm isn't hard, really, he's just an asshole. Knocks you into a pit, now you have to remake your way to him and start all over again.
See also this prick here.

this guy would always kill me when I was younger

>>497561
oh man me too, sometimes this radish would kill me but not all the time it isnt very hard

Sup.

>>497583

OMG XDDD radish so overpowered xD

nice scrncap tho!

to anyone who played kings quest 5, cedric was very annoying but he wasnt necessarily hard I think the custard pie was harder imo

>>497295

I just banged away with the Megaton hammer like a madman. He seldom, if ever hit me back, but he died eventually.

>>497603

Go make more 16-bit gems-videos you faggot.

>>497519
Come on, the one at the end of Elecman's stage is an ass

First the jumping pattern is random as fuck, so you're going to get hit for like a third of your health, which is basically a lost life since you need all the health you can against Elecman.

Second, if you stay on the ladder (yeah idiotic, but everyone always tries it the first time around) then you'll get hit, and sent back down.

Yes you can freeze him but why would you be doing Elecman's stage before Iceman?

8/10 yes I perturbed

>>497789
Staying on the ladder might have worked if it stood on ladder tiles like you do instead of just falling through.

>>497754
This, for God's sake. Repel, use some fucking Repel. I know people who didn't even know what Repel did. This should not be a problem.

Fuck. If anything, the annoying ones would be Geodude, I swear they're much more common.

>>497850

Zubat had supersonic. Geodude was Ground/Rock type, there really was no comparing the annoyance factor.

>>497850
>>497853
The problem is that you try to save your special attacks for Geodudes, and thus you end up trying to scratch/tackle Zubats to death. Using repel kind of defeats the purpose, because it's supposed to be grindy unless you want to get fucked up by Misty, who imo is the toughest gym leader

Air Man and Wood Man because of that one video. They are not bad, even in the jp version.

All of them. I can't think of a single enemy who has given me an exceptional amount of trouble.

Thunderbird and Dark Link. They are piss easy.

Going to sort of invert this thread.

Wing commander two, special operations 1. There's this level where you head out in a crossbow to fight Khasra (ace) and 5 other Gothri.


Yeah, the Crossbow sucks, and 6 Gothri is always tough, nevermind there being an ace there. I've heard a lot of people complain, and when I look at it on paper, the mission should be impossible, but I've never had that much trouble with it for some reason.

>>497908
>not just having Pidgey fight them, since it resisted their Bug type Leech Life

>>497229

That's the thing from Link's Awakening that says 'Bzzz, Bzzzz, outsider' right?

>>497369
In the lost levels they are placed in terrible spots, and you die if they enter your screen while you arent running at top speed

>>497471
The last one in level 6 was kinda hard because you had to agro him from below, and so was the last one in level 3 because you had your back against a wall. But otherwise, they are easy.

>>497943
Air man is a joke, you can stand still while shooting the mega buster and he dies.

>>497313
Well, I enjoyed both LoZ and LttP but couldn't get into LA. But maybe we should have one thread were we don't argue about Zelda games.

>>499658

Can't remember if it was in Awakening as well, but the pic he's using is from A link to the past where it was the third boss of the game.

I mean yeah it's a little tougher than the rest
But I've seen people talk about this like they've flipped fucking cars out of rage fighting it

A quick image search brought up almost nothing but porn. what the hell

Gotta say, though, Moldorm was the toughest enemy in the game up to that point. And it was really the worst for players without good reflexes. I have strong memories of that game because originally it was my mom who was playing through the games while I mapped for her. She loved Zelda and this was the first boss she simply couldn't overcome. After that she kept map for me.

>>497943

nobody actually thinks that they are hard

you people seriously overestimate how much people pay attention to youtube videos. it's getting rather annoying.

>>499751
Too many people (like myself) were to stubborn to fight her with anything but our starter pokemon.

>>499751

Most pokemon fans were probably 10-12 when they played GSC. I don't remember her being that bad, but I didn't even know a guy was trading a Machop in the same town until I was like 20.

>>499751

Never had any problem. I would always bring a dedicated sand-attack user. Rollout is only powerful on successive hits. I posted this on /vp/ only to find that evasion/accuracy modifying moves are a crime against humanity

>>497908
>Not using Ivysaur or Bellsprout

>>499751

>>500402
that's because /vp/ is full of ten year old tourney-fags. Probably the lowest average age on all of 4chan.

I still find Hammer Bros hard as fuck. I can't seem to discern any pattern to them, I can't make any kind o strategy. Getting past them always feels like a crapshoot. Still haven't beaten 8-3

That bird enemy in TLoZ:LA used to give me a lot of trouble. And the final boss in the windwaker's eggs. Fuck. When his arms would be going off-rhythm.

>>500434
They arent ten year olds, they are just manchildren.

>>500475
80% of the population of 4chan is manchildren in some way. /vp/ is just legit youngins' My little brother browses /vp/ and talk this tourney-fag dumbshit all the time and several of his dumbass middle-school friends are the same way.

>>499751

I remember hitting this in Gold, in '00. She trucked me.

Then I picked up HG, in '10, and her Miltank had scrappy, and body slammed my ghosts into submission.

Bowser in any incarnation of MArio.

Just fill the field with black effects and/or use white characters.

He's not really hard or anything, he's just fucking annoying and tedious.

>>497597
I never got how she can be considered even remotely difficult.

Only boss I actually died on in Terranigma was the last one.

It's one simple pattern that never changes.

I can understand getting killed by it a couple times, but after that you should have no trouble.

It astounds when I hear that people still can't get past him, or can't get past him without abusing the pause glitch.

>>500702
It's hard to gauge difficulty in Terranigma because the level scaling is really broken; a single level can make a huge difference in damage input. Most people get to Bloody Mary at a particular level range where they only do 1 or 2 points of damage per strike. If you step out of that range with a single level up, she's as difficult (or as easy) as the rest of the bosses.

>>500770
I recall he moves pretty damned fast, never mind that there's a pattern, it's fast.

>>500785

Not even that anon, but nah. It's fast but it's not SUPER fast.

The only hard part about the Yellow Devil is learning the pattern. The first time you play it'll probably take a few deaths before you figure it out. Once you got the pattern down it's easy because it never deviates from it and you have plenty of room to dodge.

>>499751
Hahaha, oh this fucker. I remember playing again on an emulator years later, and forgetting how I got past it the first time. But I found the guy trading the Machop, and it was all good.

>>500785
He's not all that fast though, and besides, you only have to jump 3 or 4 times. The rest of the time you're just sitting there.

I used to think it was the hardest Wily Capsule in any Mega Man game.

Then I discovered the surefire method to dodge everything he does every single time.

>>500806

>Female Machop
>Female Geodude
>Magnemite (if you're playing HGSS)

Best options.

I just never have trouble with him. I have more trouble with random encounters on the way to him, but never Atma himself.

>>500826

You talking about the electricity method?

>>500851

I'm not sure what that is.

I'm talking about standing beneath one of the spikes on his side instead of standing directly underneath him when he appears. You can just slide under the balls when they move towards you and then jump over them when they move again. For some reason, being slightly to the side instead of directly under makes them move in a way that won't touch you if you slide at the right moment. It's easy to do and it works every time. Only thing left is when he appears on the bottom left and that shit is easy to avoid.

>>500865

If you hit him with the electricity weapon (whatever it's called in 7) right before he starts his "elements" attack, he won't go through with it.

>>497295
Your suppose to stab him in the back. Basically, dont lock onto him and just run around him.

>>497305
Dont even...

>>500889

Oh. Pffft, no.

I was talking about doing it buster-only.

I've heard people saying this guy's the hardest boss in ALttP.

>>501025
Herp, now if I'd just remember the picture when I fail the captcha.

>>501031
That guy is easy babby shit

Now Mothula... I couldn't beat him until I was in highschool. The game jsut ended when I got to him for me

>>501025
>>501031
those people tried to use the hammer instead of bombs

>>501053
I found him easiest with the hammer. No fooling.

Granted the idea of rubberbanding, and how to exploit it, would probably be too compplicated for little kids to understand.
It's so fucking obvious how to do her easily now

>>501053
Bombs, I always thought this guy was just another average boss but what about bombs?

>>501096

LISA, IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LISA

>>501097
bombs kill his mask easily and can be thrown so you don't need to get to close

>>501053
He's extremely easy with the hammer. You just stand in front of him and mash the button, occasionally moving out of the way when he breathes fire or swings his tail. If you brought potions or fairies you don't even really need to dodge.

>>500446
Fireballs make them a joke, but I admit getting to 8-3 with fireballs might be tricky. With them though it's literally the easiest level in the game aside from 1-1.

>>500468
>final boss in the windwaker's eggs

Roc's feather to jump the arms and one shot with the boomerang will kill him. Don't even bother with the arrows.

>>501025
Hardest both in ALTTP would probably be the Moth in the SNES version or one of the new bosses in the GBA version. Of course by the time you reach them you might just decide to use the blue staff to become invincible, making them a joke again.

>>497305
I can't understand why so many people get stucked here.
I completed this game when I was 6

I don't have a pic but that first boss from Sonic 2 on Game Gear. The pincer thing on the hill and balls drop on it. It seriously wasn't that hard.

>>500419
Kind of this.

PoisonPowder is the way to go when fighting against her Miltank. Keep in mind that you have a decent chance to poison it.

>>501053
Now why wasn't this in any later Zelda game? This looks like it would be an epic battle.

>>504076
>Now why wasn't this in any later Zelda game?
Uh...it was.

>>501606
moth guy definitely. it's the conveyer belts + moving spike things that make it so annoying.

>People having trouble on Zelda bosses

I have literally never died to a boss in Zelda.
Their weakpoints are just so obvious and the strategies that you use are just so clearly laid out.

However, I've been playing Zelda games for as long as I can remember (my third non-computer video game ever was Oracle of Seasons) and it might just be intuitive for me because I'm used to the patterns.

>>501606
I thought Mothula was pretty easy, then again I did spam the Fire Rod at it.

I thought Vitreous was abit difficult at first because it would constantly do that Agahnim lightning attack to me. After a few times, I was ready, though.

>>506696
Actually, no. I take this back.

I just remembered that I died quite a few times on the first boss of Seasons, before I figured out that you had to hit his horn.

>>497305
FUCK
YOU

>>500681
going through the game atm
everyone complained about him being hard, beat him the first time, don't see what the problem is

also the game blocks grinding until you beat the next boss or something, right? seems like it

>>501096
I just turbo'd that shit. Fuck you, Canary Mary.

This fucking guy. It pulls out missiles out of its ass like it was a fucking machine gun.

>>497424

what the fuck are you babbling about

>>503743

MISTY, not Whitney.

>>501042
Muthula is even easier, though. Blind, Trinexx and Ganon are the only LttP bosses you're allowed to die to (Though I never died to Blind, but I can see why it could happen). Everyone else, you just stomp.

>>500597
I laughed way too hard at "body slammed my ghosts into submission".

>>499751
hahaahahaha

faggots not knowing the combination of barrier+poison powder to stall the bitch and instead got shitty fire type

>>506723
You've never played Zelda then, since he was an obvious remake of the same unicorn dragon from that game.
2retro4u?

>>500770
lies
this fag is hard
doesn't matter if you know the pattern, is difficult to avoid for how fast it is

>>500846
me too

>>497229
I would argue that this guy IS the hardest boss in Lttp. Not because the movements and attacks are complex but because you fight it at an early part of the game where you don't have a lot of health, you don't have lots of bottles and weapons to use, and when you fall off the side his health resets while you can slowly lose health from taking an occasional hit.

Trinexx with no magic

>>507072
No, never played through the first, I honestly found it too difficult and had no idea what to do.

I haven't played the second either, but I might get around to it one day.

>>500770
took me like, 20 tries to beat him

>>500468
>windwakers eggs
>not the windfishs egg

>>497850
When I was a kid I didn't bother with most items. I thought repel was useless shit since it didn't heal or level me up. Now it's my important friend.

>>497305
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUU.

>CTRL+F
>Melon Bread
>0 of 0

...Seriously?

>>508374
Melon Bread was EZPZ. >Picking Free-Shot ever

>>508374
Who thinks Melon Bread is hard? Like ever?

>>508418

There was a joke circulating around that it was "the hardest boss in the game". Think of what people said about The Ladder in MGS3.

Posting him because I know for a fact when you were younger it took you a bit to figure out how to kill these things.

>>508509

>>497229
>Enemies whose difficulty is greatly exaggerated

You can't hit him with a sword, you'll always get electrocuted. Instead, you should hit him from afar with a projectile weapon. You should have a boomerang early on, even a shrub will do the job. That's pretty straightforward to me.

Are we just really reaching now?

>>508591
>Greatly exaggerated
Of course they are easy, I just didn't know that yet. I encountered them quite early because I was 8 and Seasons was my first Zelda

>>507014
Jesus christ, Trinxexx? He can get like half a shot off before he's dead.

I thought he was fucking impossible as a kid though, because I didn't realize you could hit him with your sword after using a wand on his heads. I always wanded, waited until that part unfroze, and then wanded again. Takes several magic refills and is pretty damned hard.

this guy was so easy

>>508657
incorrect

>>497597
>>500702
>>500774
The reason people have trouble with her is because the most recent (and also strongest) weapon you have at that point is of an element she resists. They don't think to switch weapons, so they either get raped, or grind to a point where they can rape her regardless.

Can't believe no one posted this yet

>>509205

>>501606
The Moth gets absolutely destroyed by the Good Bee if you for some reason aren't going to just Fire Rod him.

>>509205
But we did talk about it
>>499751

>>509205
This was posted yesterday, if I'm not mistaken

>>509205

I always just kind of assumed when people talk about things that were really difficult in older games they were saying that in the context of them being children when they played them

>>509225
This because the Moth is the Bee's natural prey, it only makes sense.

>>506715
>I thought Mothula was pretty easy, then again I did spam the Fire Rod at it.

Mothula is only hard if you're low on magic power.

>>509182
hey, I switched to the Light Rod the first time I fought her and started doing 3-4 damage a hit instead of 1-2. Woo-hoo! SO much easier.

>>509272
Um, okay? I didn't say otherwise. Might want to reread that post.

>>509336
I wasn't disagreeing, I was elaborating on it.

>>504117
Nigger, that's a bird.

>>509351
Ah. Just seemed kind of random to do so I thought you were disagreeing or something.

>>509367
That anon is referring to the fact that the Helmaroc King is Wind Waker's analogue to the Helmasaur one. So he's technically right, even if the fight is done completely different. Ergo, he's being cheeky, m8.

>>508657
I agree, I was surprised by how easy he was compared to what I'd heard. I beat him using a keyboard because at the time I didn't know how to configure the PS3 controller to work on PC yet. For an "ultimate boss" he was really a joke.

<-- I thought this guy was way harder.

>>501025
Mothra and the three worms before OP's boss were harder for me.

>>501042
Fucking same here, I haven't continued alttp in like a month since that fucker

Spike walls, spaz moth AND a moving floor?

>>509283
Which was fucking always, potion jars were always out of the way and you never refilled after a gameover.

>>509225
Is this really true? In 20 years I've never known this. That's awesome.

>>509510
He cost me a few lives, but I managed to get him in the end. The flying boss in the towers that threw his arms at you fucked me over hard core though.

>>499751
It wasn't even that difficult to beat her, even if you did nothing but grind your starter.

>TOTODILE used BITE!
>Enemy MILTANK flinched!
>TOTODILE used BITE!
>Enemy MILTANK flinched!
>TOTODILE used BITE!
>Enemy MILTANK flinched!
>TOTODILE used BITE!
>Enemy MILTANK flinched!
>TOTODILE used BITE!
>Enemy MILTANK fainted!

>>497305
Sup

>>501042
>not having the Cane of Byrna by the time you get to Mothula

Seriously? Dungeon 1, then sidequest shit, then 4, then all the sidequest shit you couldn't get before, 2, 3, 6, 5, 7, ganon's tower, gg.

You don't even need to use a single potion to get the Cane of Byrna if you manage your hearts right. Pound down the moles at the entrance, take exactly 8 hearts worth of damage from the spikes, use the Magic Cape to go invincibile until the end, get the 8 hearts in the pots plus the Cane of Byrna, use what magic you have left to get out of the cave.

>>497229

Lord Moldemort isn't difficult - I don't think anyone really thinks he's difficult. It's just he's annoying as crap - knocking you off and stuff.

>>499751
I just used an onyx because all her moves are either rock/normal type...

>>511176
>mfw you figure out that you only need the first dungeon item to go to almost the entire dark world if you do the dark forest exploit.

>>499751
Its a bitch if all your pokemon are male

>>508509
>mfw I freeze them and smash them wit the hammer to get magic

>>497229
It's just annoying because the knockback is so ridiculous and you have to restart every time you fall off

>>497229
Moldworm isn't hard, it's just very cumbersome due to how easy it is to get knocked out of the arena.

>>497295
You know that big sword the goron gives you that breaks in five hits?
It's the only weapon in the game that he can't dodge and he dies in five hits.

Hit the Fleaman to freeze him, and go to town on the monster. Not too tough. Just play defensively.

>>497305
Why was this difficult for anyone?
Genesis has three buttons that all do the same thing in Sonic and the directional pad. You would think trial and error would take care of this pretty fast.

>>512686
I always broke it and used it for challenge runs
And he gets hit by the Megaton hammer and Din's fire

>>512828
I didn't say he couldn't get hit by other attacks, that that there's no way for him to dodge or black that one.

>>512828
>broken sword for challenge runs
dude...nice.

King of the Rats!

>>513432
Really? I mean sure, the dog is useless against him, but all you need to do is spam a decently leveled Crush.

In fact that's a good strategy for all of the bosses.

>>499631

Wing Commander 1 had something similar. I think it was the Kurasawa system where you had to escort a captured Ralari destroyer. Every walkthrough and 'ace' out there says you're going to lose that mission, and the system...yet I never do.

While probably the most annoying enemy in the game, people talk about these birds like they're impossible. They've got a simple enough pattern, all they do is charge at you.

>>497229

I am replaying LttP now actually, and while usually I find myself bumped off the edge a few times by that guy, the other night I beat him in a single trip up there. I was a little surprised. I never considered him difficult, just annoying. He never does damage to me, just sometimes I fall off.

>>500846
Ha I remember one of my playthrus with a friend we just stole his magic til he ran out... rasp turn after turn after turn and healing. did it for bragging rights mostly but as still a good memory I shared with a friend.

>>501053
>>501031

wait.. the one thing that I sometimes took damage from on this guy was because hammer's range sucked ass and sometimes he'd suddenly move forward when I was basically cuddling right up next to his face to hit him with hammer.

Bombs work? I always try using the tool from that dungeon first..

I'll be damned.

>>513605
those things are babby tier challenge ... .only reason I even get hit is when im fucking around in the earlier levels and just rushing thru and being a dumbass. otherwise when I play serious mode they dont land a hit unless I am fighting multiple enemy at once.

>>513432
This guy can be easily defeated with crush; there's also the optional Early Bazooka ammo, but it involves doing a lot of trades before they sell those in gothica.

On the other hand, if you don't go fully armed on the final battle with Carltron, chances are that you die a lot of times against the DeathSpiders and the gauntlet thrown before him.

>>513605
Placement is the key. They're not unbeatable, just annoying. World 6 birds take the grand prize for worst enemy placement. I do share the same feeling that Arino had when playing.

>>497229
Placement once again. Moldorm is easy, but annoying. Now going for Mothula or Trinexx unprepared and not knowing what to expect...

>>513617
How long did that take? I know the NP guide used that as a recommended strategy, but doesn't he have like 10k MP? It seems like it would take hours.

>>513837

didn't take long at all, considering he was casting every turn as well as 3 people rasping him every turn. It prevented him from going into harder phases. It takes like 7 turns.

>>513650
Mothula without magic or bottles is an exercise in frustration

>>497295
If you throw a deku nut by him (not at him) he gets frozen and after that he wont attack you. He has the same number of hearts that your character has walking in. That means if you got a bunch of heart pieces he will take more hits but if you go into the fight almost dead he will have low health. But there are two problems with this. One of your hearts is three of his and if you use a healing item so does he.

THESE FUCKING GUYS ARE SUCH BITCHES AOfjgae;gjwlrkejf

>>509367
I thought you where talking about the battle gimmick.

Everyone I knew was talking about how tough this boss was in Xenogears. I beat this asshole on my first try.

>>500681
>use white characters
>only one white character available in the game at that time
that being said having him really did make that fight trivial.