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>>5030776
I like it, but this game isn't even as good as FF1 arcade.

>>5030776
>tfw bought the game for $10 when the snes was fading out
>tfw its somewhere in shithole cambodia rn

>>5030887
I actually like FF2 and 3 more than FF1 arcade.
But anyway, Capcom's best belt and scroll 'em, is The Punisher. Or AvP or one of those.

>>5030901
FF3 I can see the argument for, but what makes you like FF2 more? It's so bland.

I'd rank punisher above final fight, but Punisher has some really not-fun boss battles, in my opinion. 1ccing isn't as fun.

the holy trinity of capcom bmups:

>avp
>punisher
>cadillacs

>>5030887
How to beat FF1 without using a continue? Some bosses are ridiculous like Sodom.

>>5030923
Punisher has mostly great bosses, the first Guarddroid fight is boring and Kingpin's kinda stupid because of how easy the throw loop is, but the rest are gold

>>5031000
Sodom is easy. It just takes practice. Here's a vid with some reliable strats to use. I personally prefer the single punch method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LutDI2ec2fI

>>5031000
>>5031016
Also, watch a 1cc vid. This one is pretty good and has a ton of little tips to make your journey through Metro City a little easier. Tiny things like not changing planes when you enter stage 4 so you can just walk through the fire.

>>5031030
Forgot my link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVNIf3Sp9UU

>>5031016
Could this work with Haggar? Also could it work on snes?

>>5031038

It won't work with haggar because everytime you attack his hitbox extends. He can't do it as fast as cody either.

what I do is throw him at the beginning, jump and do forward A, then cancelled into body splash. For some reason he just sits there most of the time, but depending upon the rng he will rush.

If he rushes just do a jumping backwards body splash and repeat.

>>5031085
Ah that is a shame. Haggar is too awesome to not use.

>>5031038
>>5031086

>>5031038

It won't work with haggar because everytime you attack his hitbox extends. He can't do it as fast as cody either.

what I do is throw him at the beginning, jump and do forward A, then cancelled into body splash. For some reason he just sits there most of the time, but depending upon the rng he will rush.

If he rushes just do a jumping backwards body splash and repeat.

I wanted to edit this is why I deleted this. Below is a good video if you want to learn Haggar. Lots of good tips and strategies. It might not be the best but its a good start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHs4gxwUKZY&t=7m30s

also make sure you abuse back throw suplex invincibility. Just hold up or down and keep attacking, after 2 hits you will do a suplex. You can keep doing it due to the invincibility frames 99% of the time.

Also learn how to reverse body splash and splash to control enemies. Depending upon which one you use they will either go forward or backwards making crowd control awesome.

>>5031086

also the throw loop does not work on SNES. Same with Abigail. The ai is different.

>>5030776
On a console yeah probably.
>>5030887
That game is rubbish.

>>5031678
>That game is rubbish.
Translation : I am rubbish at that game but blame it instead of my own lack of skill

It's final fight cd

>>5031689
Fucked up hitbox

>>5030776
The arcade version of Final Fight 1 is better. The Punisher (again, the arcade version ONLY) is better. Alien vs. Predator is better. That's 3 better Capcom beat 'em ups AT LEAST.

>>5031689
The only thing FFCD has over arcade is the soundtrack and the time attack mode. Gameplay wise, it's inferior.

>>5031030
Jesus, people actually beat FF1 one one credit? How the fuck man, that final boss seems designed to chew quarters.

>>5031904
Honestly, I find Abigail worse than Belger.

I've made it to the final stage on one credit. If I can do that, it's very possible.

>>5030901
>I actually like FF2 and 3 more than FF1 arcade.
That's because FF1 is too hard for you, kid.

>>5030776
FF1 on arcade is better
Cadillacs & Dinosaurs is better
Captain Commando on arcade is better
Knights of the Round on arcade is better
Alien vs. Predator is better
The Punisher on arcade is better
Warriors of Fate is better
Tower of Doom is better
Shadow over Mystara is better
Battle Circuit is better
The King of Dragons on arcade is better

>>5030901
>I actually like FF2 and 3 more than FF1 arcade

lmao, it's because you're shite and have no idea how to actually play bmups.

>>5030923
>but Punisher has some really not-fun boss battles, in my opinion. 1ccing isn't as fun.

which battles? on defaults the game is easy as fuck to no miss.

>>5031000
sodoms shite until you really understand him, i use haggar and learnt my strats from madgiwa, basically taking him to the right side immediately doing dunks and jumping straight after, it's hard to explain, just watch a replay.

>>5031904
christ vr ignorance, yes lots of people have and on hardest dips, it only seems like that because you don't have a clue how to play so of course it will flatten you. I almost 1cced it this morn myself with haggar as it goes.

>>5031917
with haggar abigails not to bad, i use the back jump to herd a ton of dudes from the run up to him then you have a load of ppl to exploit the back slam i-frames along you are good at herding, along you have one person grabbed within his distance you are good to go.

>>5032382
You know, I went into this thread looking for good recommendations, and of course I didn't find any because there's too many cocksuckers and not enough dick on 4chan these days.

Lo and behold though, I DO find all these cheery little shits glossing their lips while proclaiming to "be good" and yet never telling anyone precisely HOW to be good.
You idiots, with your precum-glazed lips, never seem to inform anyone precisely HOW to "git gud"(because there's always a technique or two that works). Which makes me think you're not actually good. You're talking shit. Hey, your mouth has to match your asshole, right?

Rectify this conclusion, glossboi.

>>5032393
Try asking a specific question then? why was i able to figure out through basic research how to get good enough but you aren't? why do you need spoonfeeding and can't deduce anything yourself by applying thought during play?

It's not my fault you're fucking braindead and think there's some wonderful simple advice that will make you suddenly good without putting the work in.

fyi i have no missed hardest dips clears in punisher, Avp with both preds, undercover cops, knights of the round 1ccs with all chars hardest dips and with paskys hack to give 1p the same enemies as if 3players, armored warriors 1cc (broken game) and a couple other things so i haven't done that much by any stretch but then i only started with the genre last year after 10yrs of shmups, final fight im close to 1cc with haggar, just need better last stage route and belger strats.

so yeah try thinking and asking actual questions.

>>5031968
>no one ever specifies which AvP and they should
no one should be encouraged to play the port

>>5032654
That's not a "port", dumbass.

>>5032654
That's not made by Capcom, stupid.

>>5030776
Okay. Seriously. If you could only play one beat ‘em up for the rest of your life it would be Final Fight 3 for the SNES. Not say, Battle Circuit?

For real? Your a weird guy. And we should all disregard your opinions.

>>5033113
Not ported by Capcom, you mean

>>5033076
>>5033113
>falling for the bait

Anyone got a character tier list for beatemup games?

Pretty good but not memorable at all. Same goes for Final Fight 2

>>5030776
Eh it has too much slowdown

>>5033216
>Final Fight
Cody > Haggar > Guy
* Haggar has an extremely high skill ceiling but can possibly be as good if not better than Cody, but only when the game is mastered

>Knights of the Round
Lancelot > Percival > Arthur

>Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Mustapha > Mess > Jack > Hannah
* Mess is as good if not better than Mustapha according to some experts. Some people think Hannah is better than Jack, but they're wrong. Hannah is the only character with a shitty throw bug.

>Captain Commando
Mummy > Captain > Baby > Ninja

>Alien vs. Predator
Lynn > Predators > Dutch
* A lot of people think that the Predators are better than Lynn, but at the highest level, Lynn is the best.

>Tower of Doom
Males > Elf
* All 3 males are really good. The Elf is clearly not as good as them.

>Streets of Rage
Blaze > males

>Streets of Rage 2
Max > Axel > Skate > big gap > Blaze
* A lot of people think Blaze is better than Skate. They've never beaten Mania.

>Streets of Rage 3
Zan > Blaze > Axel > Skate

>Golden Axe
Tyris = Gilius > Ax-Battler

>Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder
Trix > Dora > Stern > Goah

>Denjin Makai II
Girulian > Skullbyule > Jinrei > Rou = Tulks = P.Belva > gap > females

>Ninja Warriors Again
males > gap > Kunoichi
* The difference is really only noticeable on hard mode on the later levels.

>Battle Circuit
females > Green > males

>Ninja Baseball Bat Man
Green > Red > others

>Turtles in Time (SNES, manual dashing)
Raph > Don > Mike > Leo

>Mighty Final Fight
Guy > Haggar > Cody
* All characters can infinite. Cody has nothing on Guy. Guy has a secret super jump kick that's better than Cody's fireball and can be done as soon as you start the game.

>>5033371
where's guardian heroes' ranking, aka the only objectively good bmup because based treasure made it

>>5031036
Uhhh... this guy is clearly using some type of turbo controller. The devs of this game must have had some amazing foresight, designing the game for a controller that didn't exist at the time, and here I thought it was just a typical. shitty arcade game with no rhyme or reason to it other than to take quarters from unsuspecting saps.

>>5033481
You don't need auto for it just tap retard, and you think its a "shitty arcade game with no rhyme or reason" because you are a moron who can't play

>>5030776
No.

>>5033371
>tfw playing SOR2 Max

He's probably the best character I've played in a beat 'em up game period. Haggar might be the cooler wrestler but Max is definitely the most op one and very fun to use.

>>5033481
Anon, you can literally hear him tapping the buttons in that vid.

>>5033371
>>Captain Commando
>Mummy > Captain > Baby > Ninja
wrong, baby has highest damage output and can do the final boss loop much easier, only weakness is shtrom bosses.

>>5033371
>>Knights of the Round
>Lancelot > Percival > Arthur
arthur should be middle, mega reach and power on the hard swing

>>5033371
>>Alien vs. Predator
>Lynn > Predators > Dutch
no way, preds ARE better, theres a reason the wr speedrun by the spanish dude at 18 mins is with predator. i've also no missed the game with both preds, theres no comaprison. Lynns the most fun to watch at high level though.

>>5033371
>* Mess is as good if not better than Mustapha according to some experts.
he is according to Zuq and he's a boss at the game, if you get the damage output bug mess's damage is mega.

>>5033371
>>Final Fight
>Cody > Haggar > Guy
i put haggar as top due to all his iframes and damage output if you know what you're doing.

ill add

>undercover cops
Matt > others

>>5036163
thx for the input, dude. Literally the first time I've ever gotten feedback

>baby
He has the easiest time on the final boss, but everyone can exploit him just the same, just a couple more inputs. I don't think that should be be counted for much when judging his ranking. As for his other stuff, you sure about Baby being better than Mummy,? Mummy being the best character in the game has practically been the standard meta for decades as far as I know, so I didn't even give it much thought.

>arthur
Slight disagree from me. His hard swing is slow as shit and fucks up my secret bonus life kills on the bird knights for some reason. One thing I'm positive about though is that Lancelot >>>> the others.

>avsp
Okay, I'll take your word for it. Got a link to the speedrun? I based my opinion on messaging the Japanese player Avspadmirer years ago asking him his thoughts on the best character.

>Mess
good point. Yeah, like Haggar, if you know what you're doing with him, he's probably the best.

>Matt > others
agreed.

Got any other character rankings for other games? I'm interested in your thoughts on them.

>>5036163
Who's better, Rosa or Zan?

>>5036206
>but everyone can exploit him just the same, just a couple more inputs.
its much easier with baby and risky with anyone else and baby has higher damage in the game, like i said he only sucks on shtrom and has some wonky hitboxes. mummys the best overall but baby is up there if you know what you're doing.
good live run here with some explanations, he explains near the beginning.
https://youtu.be/JJ7_1YpWlWs


>Slight disagree from me. His hard swing is slow as shit and fucks up my secret bonus life kills on the bird knights for some reason. One thing I'm positive about though is that Lancelot >>>> the others.
i've no missed the game on hardest dips with all 3 chars, his swing is slow but has mega range which you should make the most of and the quick turn around slash is super fast and counts as a hard slash which you can use on bird knights if the slash is a prob which it shouldn'y be just do it earlier.

>>5036206
>Got a link to the speedrun?
https://youtu.be/RTDJX7i6gSo

the jap is confusing best for favorite imo because the pred is ridiculous, fast, strong, invincible jump dive attack, powerful spammable kick move etc, the other pred has longer reach and a great dive move but not as much protection, not as good overall but still very good, i can no miss this game on hardest comfortably, lynn is fun for sure and major is defo the hardest to clear with.

>mess
he's the best overall where as mustapha just has that dive kick which you can use on everything.

>>5033371
Dungeon Magic (Light Bringer)

Vold > Gren > Cisty > Ash

Growl

Yellow nigga > the other niggas

>>5036245
rosa.

make sure to play jap version of rom with the super moves intact.

>>5036206
>Got any other character rankings for other games?
fordy is best in armored warriors cus speed although its a broken game really, you get the flying platform in stage 4 and the stun gun add on then jump attack spam the rest of the game.

violent storm best by far is Boris

>>5036250
thx for the good info, dude. I'll make sure to update my character rankings next time I post them.

>>5036264
no worries, i'm in shmupg mostly so if you have any questions or want some resources etc to check or things to watch just drop in and ask and either me (cee) or someone else will help you out.

>>5036274
Sweet. Thx.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi1-7pmXAks

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