/vr/ - Retro Games

You should just pick one you like and go for a 1cc. Batsugun special version is pretty doable for newbies without being too watered down. Gradius and dodonpachi are pretty essential games as well.
Whatever you pick, make sure to play the arcade version on mame/FBA since retro console ports tend to be botched more often than not.

>>5022504
Funny you said treasures other game when you posted this question on shmupg, troll or?

Tyrian 2000.

>>5022530
Don't listen to this retard or anyone who suggests console shit like musha.

>>5022527
I'm definitely not the guy you're referring to.

>>5022530
I've actually played that one, I just forgot to mention it. The game is nothing special, but the OST is amazing.

>>5022513
Fuck off with that 1cc shit

>>5022554
>being this much of a pleb
What's the point of playing the game with unlimited continues? It's not challenging at all, and it's not memorable at all (since you breeze through the game in 20-30 mins).

>>5022560
Because when getting into a new genre, you don't want to keep playing the Same one game over and over, even after beating it. A 1cc should come organically, not pursued like the end-all goal.

>>5022569
Have you even 1cced any of these games? You actually need to practice to do it, it doesn't happen "organically" (whatever the fuck that means). You don't improve by constantly hopping between games either.

>>5022504
Blazing Lasers for the TG16 was great for getting me into the genre. Very fun and interesting, but not too difficult.
Lords of thunder for the TurboCD/SegaCD is awesome. One of the best soundtracks of any game, and the gameplay is great, lots of options.

Also check out this link
http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Shmups_101

>>5022572
Playing over and over because you actually get something out of it. Because you enjoy it. I can 1cc R-Type just because I have a blast playing it a lot. But I never "go for a 1cc" as a specific goal. Same for something like Bion Commando in NES. I can tear through it like a god because I have lots of fun and it's STILL fun to play.
You shmupfags suffer from the same illness as speedrunners. The game isn't what you enjoy-- its the e-peen stroking you can do while playing.

>>5022504
Xevious

>>5022586
Not sure where you got the idea that aiming for a 1cc means you have to force yourself to play a game you don't enjoy.
There's nothing laudable about being good at video games, but some people find it more personally rewarding to get good rather than simply playing them as passive, hedonistic entertainment. I'm guessing you fall into the latter category.

>>5022613
Your last sentence conflicts itself and betrays your actual perspective.
You could have left out "hedonistic" but you couldn't resist. You know damn well what the connotation of that is.
You say "nah, man there's nothing special about getting good, its just that some us realize its more rewarding to get good than someone like you"

So again I reiterate. Fuck off with that noise.

>>5022620
I must have touched a nerve.
If you want to "get into" shmups (like the OP), you have to go for 1ccs at least. You will likely get bored and have a bad impression of the genre if you credit feed and act like you beat the game. If the satisfaction of improving at the game doesn't motivate you, then you will probably not enjoy this genre.
Since you just had to mention some irrelevant NES game, you probably aren't "into" shmups and that's fine. Just try not to spread misinformation in a thread about shmups.

There's a shmupmame setup on /shmupg/, grab that and play everything to see what you like and have fun. There's lots of newer and old games there. Personally, I've fell in love with Armed Police Batrider and Mushihimesama (on PC) and I'm trying to get good on both and I'm having lots of fun.

As a goal, try to finish every stage withot dying and savestate at the beginning of the stage and before every boss. This way you don't burn out and spend too much time trying to clear the first levels over and over, while training the parts that you will probably have trouble with, but also don't credit feed and feel the game as "bland".

>>5022648
I also mentioned R-type you goof. You don't "get into" anything by attempting to be a try-hard 1cc faggot right off the bat. Plenty of these games are fun whether you 1cc or not but you jerkoffs never acknowledge that.

>>5022698
Good job proving how fucking retarded /vr/ is when it comes to arcade games.

>>5022504
Just go to >>>/vg/shmupg next time. They might be jerks but at least they aren't completely clueless.

>>5022720
Fuck
Off

>>5022720
Look who got a nerve struck now. You Arcade-Shmupfags just hover around waiting to pounce despite being told to go eat a dick over and over again. Some people like to play games because they are fun, not to eke a pathetic sense of pride out of hitting a button real good.

And its always you arcade types too. Most any other rational human being could say that, for example, Thunderforce IV is fun whether or not you EVER manage to 1cc it. But NOPE not you idiots. Go back to your containment board and stop trying to infect others,

You know which one is real fun and was my personal introduction to shmups? Elemental Master on Genesis.

It's not ball-breaking difficult, its got a lot of personality, and just all around exciting.

New? Interested in shmups? Don't bother with /vr/ since it's a board comprised of JRPG players that dislike the genre.
Go to this thread and ask, we have plenty of actual fans and players:
>>>/vg/226741032
In fact, if you see a shmup fan on /vr/ it's almost guaranteed it's a crossposter from here. A rarity these days since this board dislikes us as you can see from the attitude in this thread towards us.

>>5022724
Absolutemente INADEQUATE

>>5022724
SHMUP / ARCADE / SKILL-BASED VIDEO GAME DISCUSSION SHALL NOT BE TOLERATED
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
CHANGE TOPIC TO COMFY JARPIG LANDSCAPES

>>5022778
We dislike your shitty elitist attitudes, not the games. You come in here and talk about everybody sucks because they dont obsess over scores and 1ccs.
You go on about how no one on /vr/ cares to play at a high level but then pretend that you just want people to enjoy the games, honest.
Bullshit. You belong in the same category of autistic shitheads as speed runners and Smashfags. And way you always invoke the JRPG boogey man speaks to you being sodomized by a Chrono Trigger cart when you were a child

>>5022734
>You Arcade-Shmupfags just hover around waiting to pounce despite being told to go eat a dick over and over again.
Are you under the impression that anyone gives a shit what your opinion is? And as usual this nonsense "b-but I play for fun unlike you" shit not realizing that overcoming challenge is inherently fun to a huge chunk of players. This R-Type example is retarded as well since it's a checkpoint based game with hard as fuck recoveries meaning it nearly forces a 1cc if you want to play through it in a comfy matter, similar to Gradius. Most shmups aren't like this at all, they need some structuring now that the incentives of coins no longer exist, hence the 1cc suggestions. I also doubt you've even cleared R-Type honestly, you faggots are just that shit.

>>5022838
yet you are the one who derailed the thread to begin with

like it or not, 1ccing and scoring are part of the arcade culture, much like how jerking off to waifus is part of the jrpg culture

>>5022838
Nobody on /vr/ plays period, which is why there are no shmup threads when /shmupg/ posters aren't around to contribute. Even on the rare occasion that a shmup thread is made it's always the most vapid title dropping. These aren't players who have any ounce of enthusiasm for these games. You can deny it all you want but I've been around these communities to recognize what kind of people these are.

>>5022838
>not the games.
That's why this board has no shmup thread without us, right? Except very occassionally like this OP, or when it happens the threads die with a couple of replies.
Stop pretending you give a shit about these games, anti-skill jarpig.
>You come in here and talk about everybody sucks because they dont obsess over scores and 1ccs.
You were the first to attack here >>5022554
>You go on about how no one on /vr/ cares to play at a high level
Not about high level, but playing for the skill-based part of gameplay. And yes, for me enjoying that is ACTUALLY enjoying games, since I see games in their pure form as skill-based challenges. People who play for all the other shit aren't really fans of games / aren't getting the actual experience.
I mention JRPGs because let's face it, it's true, it's what you anti-skill guys love the most. It's the retro genre that most pushes anti-skill game design, where you can progress not by improving as a player, and the motivation to keep going is progression addiction, muh story, aesthetics or whatever.
>>5022843
R-Type almost forces a no miss ffs. And yes, you're right, for us we enjoy games for their challenge. Actual challenge. This is not elitism btw you could be bad but I'd still respect you if you played for that. In fact I streamed a friend not too long ago who sucks trying to beat Sonic Wings, he enjoys these despite sucking and I respect him. You anti-skill shills? No, rot in hell.

>>5022504
you could try 1943 or B-Wings on the NES for "grassroots" experience.

>>5022882
>downgraded NES ports
No, there are plenty of easier games that aren't watered down as already stated in this very thread. In fact, 1943 Kai arcade is very accessible.

>>5022887
what? I'm not even talking about difficulty. just putting up some other titles OP might be interested in.

>>5022894
Don't suggest watered down ports then, nowadays nobody should put up with those.

>>5022857
You contradict yourself so much in each post. Are you totally devoid of all self awareness?

And that all or nothing view is exactly the thing that makes you autism so insufferable

>>5022902
well, whatever. I had a NES back then and those games were fun. though I did take a while to beat either.

>>5022910
>You contradict yourself so much in each post.
Where, inadequacy poster?
It's not "all-or-nothing" btw, you could enjoy all sorts of games and I'd be fine. You however showcase CLEAR anti-skill tendencies, like making fun of people into 1CC and scoring, pushing us out and whatnot. And this is usually the case with you jarpigs.
>>5022912
Have you ever considered trying the originals? You may be surprised in how you're missing out.

>>5022912
Should do yourself a favor and play kai arcade which is sort of a remixed version and very good

>>5022914
There you go again. Do you even know what you're saying anymore?
Not saying 1cc is invalid, but talking like its 1cc-or-bust is bullshit especially for someone just dipping into the genre.
Feel free to attempt a bullshut rebuttle. Your circular reasoning is hilarious.

>>5022925
You are fucking stupid honestly, the original post said pick a game you like and then go for a 1cc which implies exploring the genre casually to figure out what you actually enjoy. Use your brain dumbfuck

>>5022925
>1cc-or-bust
In many of these games that's pretty much it. We must insist because otherwise many players will credit feed and then think "well, that was pointless". Which does happen.
There's this player we have called iconoclast that got into the genre thanks to Xbox 360 achievements, by doing them he realized how clearing and scoring is the real fun of the genre, while otherwise he maybe wouldn't have realized.
You can fun credit feeding I guess but it's more shallow, just watching the graphics or whatever. Most people understandably will find the genre shit after that experience.
Noobs are the ones that need the most guidance in terms of focusing on 1CC'ing a game, otherwise there's a high risk they won't care for the genre.
I got into the genre with Thunder Force III, which is super easy in the shmup world, but still, it taught me about appreciating limited credit play while being decently challenging for me then and also fun.
Give the average player DDP and they'll credit feed it in under 30 minutes, think nothing of it and never touch the genre again.

>>5022929
Watch him deny the credit feeding playstyle leaves people feeling indifferent towards the games, it's the most predictable pattern for these guys.

>>5022939
Yeah, credit feeding only worked in the real arcades because people were putting real quarters, thus there was still tension. Maybe they only had three quarters for that day, etc.
Also, with these three quarters thet had to choose between feeding them into a single game, or play three different 1CC attempts, be it at the same game or at different ones, which ends up giving you more time for your money. This is how 1CC was born, that and the fact that you have to 1CC to score in almost all arcades.
When emulating or playing ports there's no longer any consequence, and due to how many players are conditioned to see games they usually don't realize that they're making the game pointless by infinitely continuing, to then wonder why it felt so boring and pointless in the end.

Just to add:
Even credit feeders back then attempted to get better at the game because that meant they could play more with less quarters. This was specially true for non-spoiled kids who didn't have much to spend so they had to squeeze the most out of their quarters.
And when they were out of quarters, if the place or parents allowed it they stayed watching other players, learning tricks, etc.
An environment that pushes people into appreciating skill-based gameplay, no matter how you put it. As I've said before, even my uncle which hasn't played any game since still remembers Final Fight's jab cancelling trick from back in the day, the players would share tricks and focus on become better, even the least enthusiastic about games. None of this non-skilled "fun" (MUH AESTHETIC EXPERIENCE, fuck off with your elitism!!!) we see so much these days.

Every shmup thread, every time. Reading stuff like this really discourages me from attempting to get into the genre. Y'all are way worse than fighting game players.

>>5022952
>Reading stuff like this really discourages me from attempting to get into the genre.
Don't lie Jarpig, you were never interested in them.
Unless you actually are that much of a pussy that a community affects your enjoyment of single player games.

Retardo, I thought you were supposed to not browse /vr/ anymore?
The jarpig boogeyman might get you at night, yo.

>>5022952
What a lame crybaby, how do people like you even end up on 4chan

>>5022972
I'm doing this for the noobie OP as well as other potential noobs so he doesn't get intoxicated with the jarpig view on shmups. So essentially a campaign to get people interested in shmups in shmupg instead.
Speaking of that, don't forget to ditch /vr/ I mean /jarpig/ and come here
>>>/vg/226741032
If I'm purged by these posts while inadequacy poster is left intact despite he actively attacking us first it'd be yet another evidence that I'm right on my claims that this is an anti-skill board.

>>5022952
>Y'all are way worse than fighting game players.
Nah, not really. Shmupfags might seem anal online, but have you ever seen them offline? Exactly.
FGC is way more ridiculous and actually can be very mean, even offline.
Shmupfags (at least here on 4chan) are just babies pretending to be tough, but are actually just a bunch of kids angry because they're poor and can't play original PCBs.
I'll also have to agree with Retard about letting a shitty community ruin single player games for you, come the fuck on.

>>5022978
>a bunch of kids angry because they're poor and can't play original PCBs.
Absolutamente KoF

>>5022956
>>5022974
>>5022978
>you're weak if you let a community discourage you from playing a game
There are tons of games I wouldn't have discovered were it not for interacting with communities. If I only played what was interesting to me I would never have played Street Fighter - I got into the game because others played it and I enjoyed the social aspect of it. This doesn't seem irregular to me.

>>5022983
Street Fighter is a versus game series LMAO excellent example there, anon.
Anyway, nothing said here is even bullshit, what are your issues? Not everything has to be a comfy echo chamber, and you have to remember that this hostility is mostly due to /vr/ disliking us and attacking us, we're chill and allow more freedom in our thread.

>>5022983
Multiplayer games are entirely based around communities without them the games are nigh unplayable unless you REALLY enjoy finding AI loops and other exploits I guess. Singleplayer games arent like this, you can find all the info online and have a blast playing and even competing with no human interaction what-so-ever. If you need a "nice and comfy" community for SP then you might be a soiboy who plays for extraneous reasons like a lack of identity and human interaction or w/e your problem is.

>>5022504
The port of the game you posted is easy and fun, stick with the purple laser

>>5022989
Comparing scores seems to be competition to me, just a more indirect competition than a fighting game offers. I don't compare shmups to, say, platformers or RPGs. I compare them to classic arcade games. I can dick around in Galaga for a while, but it wouldn't be as fun as having a Galaga community with competition.

>>5022986
Your problem is thinking /vr/ is a single guy.
Just because you had a fight with this KoF guy you keep mentioning in every thread doesn't mean /vr/ as a whole is like this.
I'm sorry if this offends you in any way, but you seem to be victimizing yourself.

>>5022992
Its competition but because its indirect you don't need to interact with the people you are competing with if you don't want to. All you need is their score and that can be gotten from leaderboards or forum posts rather than directly. If you get into scoring you'll most likely be using your own pbs as goalposts too

>>5022990
Kai arcade is easy enough and fun as well, again stop pushing people to play watered down ports. This is one of /vr/ worst tendencies.
>>5022992
You compare with your own scores for your own progress if you hate communities that much. Even just 1CC can take you weeks or even months for the average arcade shmup, and that experience is comparable to platformers which, by the way, were an arcade genre too originally. Many arcades are quite boring for score since their scoring systems are dull yet are cool to 1CC like say Capcom bmups or Metal Slug.
>>5022995
You all think very alike, again, no shmup threads without us and you persecute us for our opinions. You clearly have hivemind tendencies. My question is, why are you here if you don't care about shmups?

>>5022995
lad retardo has been trying to have polite shmup discussion here for months. Compared to shmupg he is a complete newfag though. You understimate how much experience people who shit on /vr/ have when it comes to dealing with posters here.

>>5023006
Yep, just a year here at best, others have been dealing with your garbage for five.
Also, I mention KoF because that same exact thing he said is his trademark.

>>5023000
Sounds lonely... I can see why it only attracts a certain crowd

>>5023013
Not any less lonely than beating any other single player game. The main difference is that these demand actual skills.
Also, it's lonely just because you want it to be, not our fault you're a pussy.

At least I appreciate that Retardo has a trip so I can just hide him. I can see value and achievement in 1cc-ing but some people take it way too far.

>>5022504
Raiden series is pretty good.

>>5023013
lol... some people manage to socialize outside of the video game world. shocking, i know.

oh cool a shmup thread, guess I'll post-

never fucking mind. what a "community".

>>5023019
Raiden series is super hard though, unless you're playing the Fighters ones with secret characters, or the easier courses in DX. Wait, are you Raiden Trad poster...?
>>5023023
Post about anything you wanted to talk about. That is, if you actually were going to do that... because this place never has shmup threads.
Anyway, do it and you'll get legit replies. You're not here for that though are you.

2bh shmups community is pretty chill when they aren't fending off perceived existential threats as long as you follow the three commandments of shmups:
1. thou shalt not credit feed
2. thou shalt not copy monkey
3. thou shalt not play crappy console ports

>>5023019
Your mentality shows even in this post, you see 1cc as simply a "valuable achievement" when in reality it's advocated not because of that but because it's FUN and conductive to long term engagement with the genre. Lots of inexperienced players don't understand the fun coming from depth and challenge in these games and feel it is too arbitrary of a goal ,which is why explaining and encouraging this is useful. It also has fuck all to do with difficulty or achievement when you get down to it, there is such a huge range of difficulty in shmups that a player of any skill level can find something to 1cc. There are a bunch of games where a blind 1cc is not just doable but likely. You have total freedom over how much time you want to invest in a shmup even if you exclusively play for 1 credit clears. But of course arrogant noobs tend to dismiss any advice even when the people giving them advice clearly know better from experience

>>5023026
I wanted to post shit like Baryon Acro and stuff, but seeing all those previous post it seems like you're only allowed to talk about "elite" games. Never even fucking mind if I'm not able to 1-cc them.

>>5023032
>thou shalt not play crappy console ports
Yes but it gets pretty unreasonable how far some of you guys will got to disparage console ports. Pretty much every arcade schmup brought to the Saturn for example is as good if not better than it's Arcade source. I'd sooner reccomend someone experience true bullet hell on real console hardware over arcade emulation. Though if someone has the means to play an arcade schmup on real hardware, then by all means.

>>5023032
The copy monkey thing is a meme, it's not as bad. Credit feeding kills the genre and crappy console ports are just... pointless when the originals are so readily available now.
>>5023037
Nah it's fine, though it's true that not many dedicated shmup fans would have much to say about that one since, let's be honest, it's a crappy euroshmup. It's not about the hardest games though, that one just seems bad. (There are bad arcade shmups too like the ones developed by Face co., say Sand Scorpion)
btw it's not that you're unable to 1CC, it's that you aren't interested enough in them to do so. There are plenty of easy 1CCs out there and in cool games. 1943 Kai. Nemesis. Batsugun Special Version. Fantasy Zone. Twin Cobra II... 1CC is only the tip of the iceberg, with some exceptions.
>>5023036
100% right, noobies, listen to this guy. I blind 1-ALL'd Batsugun Special Version and I'm not known to be the best player around, far from it. I just actually PLAY and like these.
>>5023047
Tell us examples of equal to better Saturn ports.
(Still, it's true that ports improved by then, however people recommending 8-bit and 16-bit are a common sight here and needs to fucking stop. Like ITT)

>>5023006
>polite
Citation needed.
Anyway, /shmupg/ isn't even good, it's just a bunch of outcasts (banned from shmups forums, banned from other boards, like /vr/, etc) who reunited and think that just because a few of them were able to copymonkey some stuff and get some "good" scores, then that means they have any authority.
In reality /shmupg/ spends way more time complaining about "jarpig" (and other assorted offtopic) than actually discussing shmups.
Prove me wrong.

>>5023018
>Not any less lonely than beating any other single player game.
It's significantly moreso. There's no world to be drawn into, no conflict to care about. You're just trying to win the game and get a high score. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's how a lot of classic arcade games worked, but it takes a certain type of person to want to win a game just because it offers a challenge. Me, I'll join in on some competitive activity if others are doing it, and I'll try to win, but if I'm on my own I'd rather play Sonic or Shining Force.

>>5023047
Why would you even do that? Emulation is great, it allows so much freedom and has so many extra features that there is no reason to play on real hardware unless you're obsessed with a misguided idea of "the authentic experience". Not that it has much merit, Saturn ports are good but not arcade perfect and your scores won't be considered valid by the japs unless you play at their arcade centers, even if you play on a pcb.

>>5023047
yeah saturn is when ports started becoming acceptably arcade accurate, although you won't find a lot of love for consoles just because mame is more accurate for games of that era and has useful features like savestates and replays.

it's just sad when hardware fetishism or ignorance leads people to play versions like raiden trad instead of emulating the arcades.

>>5023052
>In reality /shmupg/ spends way more time complaining about "jarpig" (and other assorted offtopic) than actually discussing shmups.
>Prove me wrong.
They actually literally can't since Retardo posted link to their thread earlier himself.
Gotta admit it takes balls to torpedo your own ship like that.

>>5023052
Only cee and kraut are banned from the shmups forum, only cee and retardo are banned from /vr/ on sight. We didn't "reunite", the posters met each other on /vr/. Many are genuinely good players and ARE an authority on the games they play because they have both the firsthand experience and indepth knowledge on the games, using the /shmupg/ copy monkey meme to dismiss that is stupid. There's offtopic but that's to be expected when you have a small community dedicated to a genre rather than 1 single game, everyone plays different games at different times.

>>5023062
Don't you guys think there's something wrong with you if you get banned everywhere?
>authority
Come on, just because you've been practising with save states and copymonkeying doesn't mean you're an "authority" on anything, lol.

>>5023052
>cares about politeness
>cares about a community of a genre he actively dislikes
>doesn't realize that shmupg allows for broad topics with shmups being the main one
IT ALL BEGAN IN 94
>>5023054
>There's no world to be drawn into, no conflict to care about.
Here comes the aestheticsfag/storyfag army! You took your time, /jarpig/
There are many genres about just beating the game in single player without any interesting story. Shmups after Xevious being one of them, but there's bmups, arcade platformers, many more. Not everything has to be either a jarpig or a "golden era arcade".
Face it, some of us actually play single player games for their challenge and nice mechanics to completion. Sorry if it disturbs your comfy anti-skill echo chamber, jarpig.
>>5023067
Yeah, banned for being pro-skill in games in an anti-skill board.
And there you go again, downplaying the skill of players, and making fun of their skills. Predictable.

>>5023054
>There's no world to be drawn into
you should try touhou

>>5023054
That's dumb, people don't play them just because they offer a challenge, they play them because they're fun for various reasons like their depth despite simplicity, fun mechanics, level design, 0 bullshit getting in the way of gameplay, great amount of movement freedom, transferable skills, great game feel and countless other aspects that depend on the game you're talking about. Besides that shmups do have worlds, they do have amazing pixel art and at times even impressive 3D, they have famously fantastic music. Just all around dumb post, typical for /vr/ sadly.

>>5023070
cum on even 2hufappers deserve better than this, Touhou is a series of actual games after all. They don't have to suffer this Shining Jarpig.
>>5023072
You're spot on but they just won't listen.

>>5023068
>cares about politeness
I don't actually, but he was lying when he said you were polite. I'm glad you agree with me.
Also, I actually like the genre, been playing since most of /shmupg/ were even born. Just because I mock some clowns on 4chan doesn't mean I dislike the genre.

>>5023073
Retardo confirmed for being a 2hufag.
Can't say I'm surprised though, most of /shmupg/ is.

>>5023068
>Yeah, banned for being pro-skill in games in an anti-skill board.
I wish I was as autistic as you are.
Nah not really but it's interesting to read someone who has this imaginary world inside of him, where he thinks he's not only a skilled person, but also thinks the whole worlds divides between people who are good at Touhou games, and people who aren't.
It's interesting from a psichological point of view. A weird specimen.

What does copy-monkey mean? What (if any) schmups are best played on Saturn? Exclusives or good multiplats.

>>5023067
>Just because you're good at a game doesn't mean you're an authority on the game
Why are you guys such brainlets. I don't even like a bunch of these people on a personal level but they are undeniably skilled and knowledgeable which is respectable if you give a fuck about the genre. People get banned because they don't bother with the usual pseudo-politeness that gives way to high school passive aggression, and wrong think obviously.

>>5023079
>good at a game
Not really what he said.

>>5023074
I actually tried being polite which was fucking dumb in retrospect.
>I actually like the genre
Where are the threads?
>>5023075
It's one of the only shmup series I'm not into LMAO I'm known for shitting on them I'm just saying even THAT series deserves more than a filthy jarpig.
>>5023076
Cee is banned for 30 days on sight when posting advice and correcting misinformation...
I don't even play 2hushit what are you smoking, Queen of Jarpigs?

>>5023068
Yeah, you're right, I guess this genre just isn't for me. Peace

>>5023078
>What does copy-monkey mean?
Watching japanese players videos and try to copy their strats.

>>5023081
Effectively it is, unless you guys think that the methods you use to get good are more important than the end result for some reason.

>>5023084
Indeed there's very little in this genre for storyfags/aestheticsfags/progressfags and all that sort of extrinsically motivated player, which is the average player these days and certainly most people on this board.
You may say the games can be pleasing aesthetically but that crowd prefers more "immersive" experiences with more "content" these days... like say Jarpigs.

What surprises me the most about this whole /shmupg/ phenomenon is that they seem to be angry as fuck at /vr/, but for some reason they don't mind the rest of /vg/?
I mean /vg/ has WAY more RPG threads and users than /vr/, yet they insist /vr/ is the place with the "jarpigs" and "anti-skill" and all these buzzwords they spout all the time. But yeah I don't see them complaining about /vg/'s FF threads or whatever.
It's weird, to say the least, since after all /vg/ is their home board.
Also, as someone who actually got to grow up with /vr/ systems (and not just 5th gen ones), I don't really see RPG as a big genre. People back then were more into platformers/side-scrolling action, racing, fighting, even shmups. RPG was niche until 5th gen.

>>5023001
You are the one with a hivemind problem since you believe everyone needs to think like you or else. The fact that you keep bringing up jrpgs and Kof yet none else has even mentioned shows everybody else is free thinking but you are locked into some kind of assburger loop.

>>5023094
>People back then were more into platformers/side-scrolling action, racing, fighting, even shmups. RPG was niche until 5th gen.
yeah, this is something younger people wouldn't picture.
a lot of people think shmups to be some sort of cult stuff but it was popular as fuck back in the late 80s and early 90s. It was definitely more popular than RPG.

>>5023094
Simple answer, the rest of /vg/ leaves us alone, doesn't come storming to a thread about a genre they don't care about, also our threads or posters don't get deleted for wrongthink like here.
You've used this "vg is full of jarpigs" card before, and no, it doesn't work.
Also, a lot of shmupg posters came from vr so they've dealt with your shit for years.
Indeed, pre-PS1 the west wasn't into RPG, which begs the question as to why a board dedicated to old games is so fucking obsessed with that genre. Could it be because they're modern minded collectorfags and not actually players?

>>5023106
>Could it be because they're modern minded collectorfags and not actually players?
Could be, could be.
At the same time, could it be that /shmupg/ think they're special because they play a "muh skillz" genre when in reality they're playing one of the most normie-friendly genres from back then? Could it be that most of you guys were born in le wrong generation?
So many questions.

>>5023094
The difference your retard brain doesn't understand is that we're posting in /vr/ arcade threads rather than invading rpg threads to complain there. Nobody minds if rpg fags play their games and have their threads. Also pure skill based arcade games make up a huge chunk of retro gaming, them being so grossly underrepresented on a RETRO GAMES board and misunderstood if not outright insulted regularly is a disgrace.

>>5023094
It's literally only two three faggots who come over to complain. They've got some kind of Google alert set up so anytime "shmup" is posted, they decend like flies and fuck up a thread.

Saying it's more than one dufus is generous though since it's always the same phrases and arguments that make more sense.

>>5023050
>Tell us examples of equal to better Saturn ports.
Batsugun for example.

>>5023106
So, legit question here.
Is there any proof that people from /vr/ actually attacked anyone?
Because every time I see crossposting wars, it's /shmupg/ guys like you on /vr/, and not vice-versa.
I probably missed something, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone from /vr/ was autistic enough to trigger a whole general on /vg/, but it seems you guys are more eager to bring up this war. Most people on /vr/ aren't aware of all this. In my case this is the first time I see this shit, I've seen some bad shmup threads in the past but I don't remember this much drama.

>>5023106
There are examples in this very thread of "caring about" the genre but because they dont fir your butt-fucking autist definition, you dont think it counts. Which is why you are considered a condescending shiteating elitist.

>Its not elitism, you just need to think exactly the way I want you to or your opinion is invalid.
Dumbass

>>5023121
just look at this post >>5022554 attacking an innocent shmupg crossposter
also cee and retardo kept getting banned here for some reason
they call the perpetrator "KoF fag" because he always posted KoF tumblr gifs

>>5023118
I honestly don't know why you morons have such a hard time understanding that /shmupg/ posters also browse /vr/, post here and originally came from here. What's funny is that retardo had your attitude and blamed /shmupg/ until he realized that every worthwhile post on here was made by "crossposters".

>>5023103
You're clueless, I like KoF, however there's this very avid anti-shmup poster that used to avatarfag with KoF gifs.
If you pay attention, we have our thread on /vg/ which is full of RPG discussion. We just want to be left alone and have a place, not be persecuted by you anti-skill jarpig scum. In fact, again, why are you here other than for this? You don't like the genre, nor us.
>>5023104
No, it's precisely because of this that the RPG obsession here is extra baffling. It's like the place was full of kids that got into older games with the ones that more closely resembled modern ones (jarpigs)
>>5023110
We have older poster that lived through that... Just, c'mon.
>>5023114
I actually did post on their jarpig threads since otherwise I couldn't talk about anything here, and bringing my own perspective to the table but that was triggering shit for them.
>Also pure skill based arcade games make up a huge chunk of retro gaming, them being so grossly underrepresented on a RETRO GAMES board and misunderstood if not outright insulted regularly is a disgrace.
Nailed it. This is why I say it's an anti-skill jarpig board.
>>5023118
>fuck up
There are never shmup threads here without us, an we are the ones that play and can give actual advice instead of, you know, recommending NES ports of arcades?
>>5023120
How is it better? I don't know much about the port.
>>5023121
>Is there any proof that people from /vr/ actually attacked anyone?
Your posts in this very thread, such as >>5022554 and more. There's never any shmup thread, you don't like the genre but as soon as one pops up you have to either autosage it or attack their community.
The fact that our threads kept getting deleted.
The fact that we get banned on sight no matter how reasonable.
Fuck off if you're here just for the drama then.
If you are actually interested in the games, go here >>>/vg/226741032

>>5023131
Exactly

>>5023129
Wait, what if the anti-1cc guys is more of a scorefag? Doesn't mean he's anti-skill.
Also I don't see why the other guy would be a guy from /shmupg/, he never said he was from there.

>>5023127
>care about the genre
>don't make a single shmup thread in weeks when posters from /shmupg/ were avoiding this place
Who are you trying to fool? I'm a regular here, saying that people here give a shit about shmups is just an outright lie

>>5023127
What? Someone that played a couple of downgraded ports in his childhood and has never even thought of playing the better versions?
Someone that wants to talk about a crappy DOS game but doesn't because he's too scared?
Wow such PASSION for the genre!
>>5023145
To score you have to 1CC in the first place, scoring is the next step. You show your ignorance on arcade-style games here.

>>5023136
>If you are actually interested in the games, go here >>>/vg/226741032
>thread is also full of jarpig complaining and offtopic shit
Fuck, is there any good place to discuss shmups on 4chan?

>>5023148
Exactly, fuck off Queen of Jarpigs.
>>5023150
Talk about any shmup and you'll get discussion. Do it. But you actually don't care about shmups, don't you?

>>5023145
1ccing is basically a prerequisite to scoring, that would just be absurd
i am that guy

>>5023145
He clearly isn't as shown by this thread, but even so a 1cc is a vital part of scoring, you can't credit feed your way to a good score because it gets reset when you put in a credit, and that's not to mention end level/game bonuses, death penalty and higher scoring threshholds in later stages.

>>5023149
>To score you have to 1CC in the first place, scoring is the next step.
It's not mandatory to do it like that. If you're a scorefag you will just focus on maximizing your points instead of just surviving.
Don't act as if 1cc vs score isn't a thing within the shmup community, especially if you call others ignorant.

>>5023136
God your name is so fitting.
You dont care a it the genre, you only care about a specific playstyle. Plenty of good shooters on consoles. Even the NES ports have merit but your head is too far up your ass to see it. A newb to a potentially overwhelming and anal genre does not need some dipshit spouting about how not to bother playing unless you plan to 1cc.

You are truly too dense to understand anything other than your own diseased outlook. You people are a joke. No one here is impressed by you. Fucking die a lo ready

>>5023163
>You dont care a it the genre, you only care about a specific playstyle.
It'd all they have, man.
Let them have it. In the real world they have to deal with so much tough shit, at least online they can pretend to be someone or good at something.

So where are the supposed evil mods that ban people and delete threads?
This thread has been active for hours now, even with a tripfag crossposter, but nobody is getting slaughtered.
is this some kind of "Muh holocaust" victimizing shit they're pulling?

>>5023161
The fuck are you talking about? The only "vs" is scoring players vs pure survival players who stop at a clear instead of pushing games further, and even then it's not serious, just banter. Everybody who scores de facto plays for a 1cc because they have no other choice as games void their score if they continue. And that's only assuming you find a pure scorefag which is rare, top japs advocate clearing first before you get into scoring.

>>5023161
Okay? But you have to play with a coin to score because it gets reset after each continue? What are you trying to get at here?
>>5023163
>you only care about a specific playstyle.
Yeah because credit feeding is bullshit that leads noobies to hate the genre?
Console shooters can be fine but they aren't AS good
>Even the NES ports have merit
Why would you play a worse version of a game?
Did you miss my post with plenty of easy arcade 1CCs that aren't watered down?
Fucking /vr/ I swear.
>>5023165
>making fun of people into challenging games
More anti-skill showcases from /jarpig/!
>>5023170
The jarpig jannies ad mods aren't instantaneous or flawless, remember last time I posted on /vr/?

>>5023136
>How is it better? I don't know much about the port.
Removes pretty much all the slowdown and has different music. It's pretty much identical otherwise.

Can I interrupt this faggotry to make an actual content post?

I’m new to the genre as well and I thought I’d make my physical copy of Fire Shark my first attempt. I’m having a rough time with staying afloat after I lose the busted ass fire power up. I can make it to stage 6 or 7 with no deaths, then something happens and I die and lose it, and it’s downhill from there.

It seems like it’s an easier game in the grand scheme of things so I know it’s just me being bad. Any tips, be it the game or the genre in general?

Are japanese communities as autistic as western ones?
Do they also have the shmup vs rpg rivalry?

>>5023185
>my physical copy of Fire Shark
FUCKING. DADSHIT.

>>5023185
Can only speak for the arcade version but Fire Shark is NOT an easy game by any means. Maybe you've made the mistake of assuming that lower bullet count means easy when it's not the case at all. Play Flying Shark if you want an easier game to start off with, also by Toaplan.

>jarpig posts: attacks
>posts with actual knowledge: >>5023174
hmm makes me wonder
>>5023185
No idea about that worthless port but the original is super hard, particulatly the Japanese 1P board. Recovery is an insane ordeal.
Anyway, stop playing those ports, man. Them being on original hardware doesn't make the experience better.

>>5023186
Not at all.

>>5023193

I read that the Genesis port is easier than the arcade version. I’m fine until I lose the fire power up.

>>5023186
As far as I could read on 2ch, no, they always stick on topic and don't seem to have any drama with other genres or group of people.

>>5023207
Well you have 2 choices, either practice until you can clear it without dying in the later stages or use savestates and practice the checkpoints you have trouble with until you can recover consistently. Most go with the former desu

>>5023186
Western people are just rude compared to japanese, this is not only in video game discussion but everywhere else.
I was shocked when I first went to 2chan's vidya board and saw 0% offtopic, 0% memes. 100% actual on-topic video game discussion, kind of alien to me after so many years of 4channing and western forums.

>>5023207
Try Twin Cobra on MAME, it's not hard as is but if you use autofire it's even more manageable. Pick blue power up.
Similar game but you'll have a better experience. Fire Shark arcade is quite tough.
You also have tools like save state to practice sections that may be giving you trouble before going for the 1CC on MAME compared to playing on a Genesis.
It has to be that version though, the Japanese Kyukyoku Tiger is both tougher and with checkpoints.
In the latest MAME 0.201 the processor speed was corrected for Twin Cobra, no idea if it affects anything really though.

other threads:
>"do any of you play xxx?"
>"yeah, it's okay. there are ports with some differences, might wanna try them too. this version is best, imo."
>"woah, never heard of them, good to know"
>"anyway, ever heard of yyy? you might like it too"
>"looks neat, gonna try it sometime"

this thread:
>"anyone play xxx?"
>"shut up and play xxx arcade and 1cc it"
>"well, okay, but I still-"
>"that's a stupid port. play the arcade version or fuck off"
>"how about yyy, then?"
>"it's shit, fuck off"

>>5023257
>"shut up and play xxx arcade and 1cc it"
>"well, okay, but I still-"
replace with
>"find a game you like and go for a 1cc"
>"REEE FUCK OFF WITH THE 1CC SHIT PIECE OF SHIT AUTISTIC ELITIST SHMUPFAGS RUINING EVERYTHING"

>>5023229
Japs and asians in general are pushy and snobbish. You're full of shit

>>5023257
Are people in other threads playing SNES Final Fight?
What about this thread? >>5011837
You're full of shit, jarpig.

>>5023267
Nope he had it right the first time. The very first reply went all-in with the 1cc nonsense. Anyone whose seen that before knew what this thread would become so it was called out immediately

>>5023268
Maybe they are IRL, but online it doesn't seems so.
If you have any example of a japanese shmup player throwing autistic fits like guys here do, please show me, I'd like to see that for the lulz.

>>5023217
What board there discusses schmups/arcade? They've got like 100+ board and Chrome won't translate the board navigation sidebar for some reason.

>>5023274
Maybe stop being an EOP.

>>5023274
>google "STG 2ch"
>click first result
>???
>PROFIT

>>5023272
>1cc nonsense
Did you miss all the posts saying we advocate for 1cc because otherwise people will find the games boring if they credit feed? It's a reasonable stance and his reply was polite and informative. But it triggers your anti-skill sensibilities. Then you attacked us. You hate this genre and its players and want to see it gone from /vr/ forever as it's been lately.

>>5023272
What nonsense? Everything he said is good advice for a newbie. Find a game you like rather than following them chronologically, play it for a 1cc to make it fun, ignore watered down console ports. Covers everything he needs to know

>>5023074
>brags about playing shmups for a long time
>still doesn't have any scores to show for it
sad tbf

>>5023271
>thread literally called "worst way to play a game"
nah how about you check the Ultima or FFT threads

>>5023276
And thus the "EOPfag" appears. Along with the Anti-ProgessionSystemfag and the"old games were made for RGB on Trinitrons" fag, they are the most exotic of the mongloid types on /vr/

>>5023285
>brags about others not having scores
>doesn't show any of his own
Sad indeed.

>>5023286
Yes obviously you stupid cunt, port quality discussion has always been a big part of /vr/ and will always be it's not even remotely exclusive to shmup fans. RPG fans are soi incarnate and even they have these arguments

>>5023285
Not him but all the good scores I made back in the 90s were deleted like a week after or earlier when they reseted the machines.
Now these arcade centers don't even exist anymore.

>>5023279
um sweetie, it's 5ch now.
Also why is 8ch in their sidebar?

>>5023297
Right, but google still retrieves even if you search 2ch.

>>5023290
>NO U-tier response
Really? I expected better from you, KoFag.

>>5023309
>KoFag
Wrong, I'm MvSfag.

>>5022531
what's wrong with Tyrian?

>>5023085
How is that bad? If you wanna get gud at anything you will probably emulate someone better than you at sone point

Reminder that this is the kind of player we're dealing with here, people.
>>5023321
Probably listing that wouldn't fit in a single 4chan post. Anyway, it's painfully obvious to anyone with minimal shmup experiencie / appreciation.

>>5023315
/co/fag?

>>5023323
I never said it was either good or bad. Just explained the other anon what copymonkey means.

>>5023327
/n7/fag, actually.

>>5023324
I don't know, Tyrian did get an open source project so pretty sure there's an appreciative community towards it.

>>5023324
Forgot pic

>>5023321
It's shit even on the most basic level with godawful movement inertia, no iframes on hit and weird knockback leading collision being the only real threat, poorly implemented health bar that leads to undodgeable patterns on higher difficulty, shit tier weapon balance, uninspired level and enemy designs and way more

>>5023321
health bars, weapons shop featuring lots of useless weapons, basically just shitty game design with lots of pointless customization and simulation elements
read up on "euroshmups" and why the (autistic, elitist, whatever) community hates them for more details
the rule of thumb is:
if it's not made by a jap
it's a piece of crap

>>5023190

Enjoy your files and folders zoomer

>>5023324
Shock! Horror! A person likes a game!

Oh but it's not the right kind of shmup is it? lol you're pathetic.

>>5023347
>zoomer
Being able to play MAME after arcades died here was a fucking dream, you disgusting jarpig. You probably were jacking off to FFX back then.
>>5023351
It's a crappy shmup, would you say someone is a JRPG fan if his exposure to them was Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and that was it?

>>5023351
yea to put it in terms you might understand, it's like going to a final fantasy thread and trying to talk about baldurs gate

>>5023359
WRPGfags invade and attack JRPG threads all the time. It's actually JRPG fans which are the most victimized group.

>>5023357
>It's a crappy shmup, would you say someone is a JRPG fan if his exposure to them was Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and that was it?
Uh, yes.
A buff? A connoisseur? No but that indicative of your flawed thinking.
"You dont like shmups unless you like the right ones" Sorry honey, you're wrong.

>>5023359
Bad analogy. This wasn't a Jshmup thread that got invaded by Euroshmup fans.
an "RPG" thread would be a perfectly valid place to talk about Jrpgs, Wrpgs, Mmorpgs, Crpgs....

>>5023365
i didn't mean to suggest there was an "invasion", just that the audiences are different
but what do i know, i don't even play rpgs

>>5023360
This JRPGfags are disliked by literally everyone even "fellow" RPG fans. Fucking based WRPGfags

>>5023372
They are generally just called "storyfags" aren't they? Jrpgs are usually only JUST a little more like games than VNs.

>>5023362
>Uh, yes
>honey
Ugh I can hear the low volume tranny voice from here
There are thousands of cool shmups, of different subsets too, that one in particular is just a crappy game as explained by others ITT.
Someone not figuring out what's wrong with Tyrian is indicative of their lack of experience with the genre. A "don't know better" case, if you will.
Bad games exist. Shocking.
>>5023372
They're a bunch of storyfags too, check RPGCodex. Only difference is they prefer CYOA novels to movie-style structures. RPGs are cancer born from people that don't actually enjoy skill-based gameplay, and this cancer has spread to other genres now.

>>5023381
Any fucking SaGa game has more nuance to it than a schmup. I hate smug schmup fags that think that skill in vidya is only dictated by reaction time and pattern memorization.

>>5022978
>tfw I'm both an active schump and fighting game player

Y-yeah, well f-fuck you, too!

>>5023394
t. has never played a single shmup to a decent level

>>5023394
I quit RPGs because they became too boring even with self imposed challenges and shmup take many many more times the effort, you simply don't know because you glance at them and think they look simple. Yes, that includes more complex ones like the SaGa series.
RPGs have many options but boil down to figuring out the best solution and repeating it, there's no nuance after all. I played that shit for years, including "beat with the least powerful characters possible" runs so don't come with your bullshit, Jarpig. Your genre sucks in terms of skill gameplay. Also sucks in terms of story, it's children shit, read something. Leave your kiddy bubble.
>>5023397
Two of my favorite genres

>>5023394
I'm a JRPGfag and your post is retarded. SaGa games don't have more nuance than shmups, they have different nuance. There's a bunch of "if-thens" happening in both games but in SaGa you have all the time in the world to decide what to do by virtue of the game being a turn-based RPG.

Thread hasn't been deleted yet and likely won't be. The tripfag's posts are even still here.
Was it all just victimization in the end?

>>5023418
Mods probably away, doubt he eased up. You can dig up shnup threads from a couple of months ago on warosu where half the posts were purged.

>>5023420
Mod is on, he deleted a few posts a couple hours ago.
/vg/fags confirmed for "Muh shoah"

>>5023337
nothing wrong with health bars
>if it's not made by a jap
>it's a piece of crap
Just like JEEEEERPGEEEEs?

>>5023483
Health bars aren't inherently bad but western developers use them as a band aid to cover up bad game design. Why make attacks fair and balanced if you have a massive health bar that regenerates? They just didn't understand shmups, and still don't for the most part, although there are more decent western shmups coming out now made by actual players.

1942

>>5022504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg

>>5023490
I think they simply didn't make them with arcades in mind. If there's no reason to force players to spend coin after coin (btw, interesting balance when you can bruteforce it with money), then you can implement different mechanics.
I understand that purists don't like it, but I don't see anything wrong with Tyrian or other "euroshmups". They are fun and challenging in different ways.

>>5022720
stop being a gatekeeper, nigger.

>>5023503
You can only "brute force" it in the sense that you can see the game, but it's useless especially in an arcade setting because you lose your scores. It's not simply "different mechanics", it's just avoiding general good action game design principles like allowing skilled players to avoid all damage. This isn't exclusive to shmups or arcade games, even in FPS which had unavoidable damage from the get-go people dislike overabundance of hitscan shit because it dumbs down gameplay and feels shit because the feedback you get from the game for skilled play is weak, or even counter-intuitive such as with tactics that deliberately get damaged to increase their DPS and then rely on health regen to get it back. The main reason people play games like Tyrian is because they constantly drip feed you with upgrades and novel weapons, not because they have good mechanics or levels.

>>5023432
You were saying...? Go on dismiss him as just a shitposter now.

And so the Stalin-style purging begins once again.

See you on /vg/, Retardo.

>>5023534
>>5023535
Thread is still up, though! You can still discuss shmups on this thread.
Mods just deleted an annoying tripfag who thinks he's special, when he's really not. At least not in the way he thinks he is.

Anyway, what do you guys think about Irem shmups like R-Type and X Multiply?

>>5022698
>you jerkoffs never acknowledge that.
That would mean acknowledging that the only reason they give a fuck about these games at all is due to some perceived "hardc0ar leet nerd cred" among other autists and losers, much like you're suggesting. See /shmupg/ over on >>>/vg/ for the curious.

>>5023525
> it's just avoiding general good action game design principles like allowing skilled players to avoid all damage
And if you avoid all avoidable damage in Tyrian then unavoidable damage will not be a problem whatsoever.
Also, I wouldn't say the game where you were expected to spend hundreds of coins($$$) to be able to memorize boss patterns is "good design".
And you forget the simple fact that games like Tyrian are quite a bit longer than your typical arcade shmup.

>>5023079
>constantly banned everywhere you go
>everyone else is the problem, though
The real world is going to crush you.

>>5023538
Fuck off, Queen of Jarpigs.
Nobody likes you or your trannyjanny boyfriend.

>>5023565
>The real world is going to crush you.
Why do you think he's online 24/7? He doesn't go outside much.

>>5023568
>guy actually asks about shmups
>no, better keep talking jarpigs and the like
Are you sure you like shmups? Or you just like the drama and having a rivalry with the "jarpig" boogeymen?

>>5023568
>Queen of Jarpigs
Is this the boogeyman people associate with an anonymous poster they don't like? Kind of like Australia-kun?

>>5023575
Australia-kun was actually easy to spot because he avatarfagged and had very distinct posting habits.
"jarpig" is just used as a term to refer to anyone who likes RPGs.

>>5023079
I respect their skill, I don't respect their personalities (at least from what I've seen in this thread).
The problem is that they shit on perfectly good games due to their own "pure" vision of what SHMUP should be.

>>5023563
"Dude just ignore it" doesn't really change anything, the shit design is still there. You're right that it's longer, that feeds into its main flaw which is quantity over quality in every aspect. It doesn't flesh out and polish what's there, it just throws new shit at you in hopes that you won't notice. I'd be surprised if you played through it more than a couple of times.

wtf is a "jarpig" anyway? is this some weird little kid thing they say on the /vg/ general?

>>5023585
It's a derogatory way to refer to JRPGs and the people who play them.

>>5023591
Not just JRPGs, but any game with a progress system, like SotN or Guardian Heroes.

>>5023591
ahh, now i get it. JaRPiGs. these people truly are on a completely different level of autism.

>>5023593
The progress system is what got me into Castlevania in the first place. I have OCD

>>5023538
>Anyway, what do you guys think about Irem shmups like R-Type and X Multiply?
They're fine but not very good to 1cc because RNG in some parts

>>5023538
I love the two new forces in R-Type 3. Also good for casuals who can't 1cc, because a game over is just like a regular death. Stage 4 is complete cancer

What shmup has the best hitbox handling? Which has the worst?

I credit-fed my through RayCrisis and I gotta say there MAY be a little merit to the autists' statements in that style of playing these games can totally taint your impression of it. RayCrisis credit-fed through is like a ten minute long snooze that just blurs by.

HOWEVER Rayforce and RayStorm are still fun as hell with lots of visual flare and just general exciting play --even with the continues-- so I dunno. If your game requires that competitive drive for 1cc and score attacks, it might just be too barebones for most people.
At that point you might as well be trying to master some 2600 game to a "decent level"

>>5023856
>At that point you might as well be trying to master some 2600 game to a "decent level"
Majority of shmup players aren't good at any other genre. In fact, most shmup players today are only used to danmaku and suck hard at older shmups, they cope by calling them "old shit".

>>5022504
>I already have some experience because of the Touhou games and Radiant Silvergun.
Forget about those, start with classics, the one on your pic is good.
For horizontal ones you can start with Gradius.

>>5022504
As far as the vertical bullet-hell style goes, Mushihime-sama Futari is a great entry point. Espgaluda as well. Both are pretty accessible and not overly difficult.

However, make sure you play for the 1cc (or for score). Otherwise you're missing the point of these games.

>>5023856
That's the thing. You've got to be a fixated weirdo to play these games ((correctly)) for the most part.
there are tons of fun ones that you can play even casually but those are too console centric and that just isn't niche enough for those types. Elemental Master was brought up earlier in the thread and that guy didn't even acknowlege it.
V-Five is fun in spurts. the afore mentioned Raystorm and Rayforce too. Gun Nec is a goofy blast, the Star Soldier games...TONS of examples but, nah, not enough ((skill)) required to be legit games in their eyes.

>>5022918
pce kai is more interesting, since Next added extra levels that are superior to the main game (graphics, sound, weaponry)

>>5022504
Try as many as possible and play the fuck out of the ones you like. Each studio has their own style that they basically stick to. DO NOT use continues. If it's an arcade game try running it first in FBA via Retroarch because you can use its runahead feature to remove input lag - which is incredibly important with this genre.
Don't listen to anyone that says "x" game is shit or "y" series is shit or "z" studio is shit.

Also - https://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Shmups_101

>>5022504
>CTRL F
No Truxton

Absolutely disgusting

>Buy Axelay, pretty excited to finally try a shmup
>get a game over before the first miniboss
>not only that, I'm supposed to play without continuing or else I'm "playing wrong"

This genre is going to be a time-consuming bitch to get into, isn't it.

>>5022530
>Eurotrash
No thanks

>>5024063
Why the hell are you trying to post something sane, reasonable and helpful like that?

>>5024089
Don't listen to the detractors, when starting a new game I usually limit myself to a few continues. 2 - 4 (you only have a few coins in your pocket).
After the a while you start reducing the amount of continues you do, until you get to the point where you try to see how far you get on a single credit. If you like the game enough, that'll naturally evolve into 1CC attempts. If you don't like the game, don't kill yourself over it, move on to another.

>>5024159
I mean, that's how I usually progress at these very hard video games. One year I got very good at Shinobi and started quitting after a single Game Over after beating it like twice. The times I beat the game in like half an hour it felt really fucking good, I bet this is the kind of satisfaction expert shmup players are after. But even then, I'm usually terrible at games with one hit deaths. I never got very far in Shinobi 2 for instance, that game wrecked my shit.

And dang I thought Axelay was supposed to be an entry level simple shmup and I got fucking crushed, I did stop playing after 3 game overs on the first stage cause I was just baffled at how terrible I was at it. Jeez. I will try more of it cause the games looks and sounds amazing, then I got my sights on Space Megaforce and Blazing Lasers, they look like a better place to start I guess.

>>5024089
>>5024186
Is that you, Daniel?

Is Panzer Dragoon a shmup?

>>5022504
Here's the guide to getting into SHMUPs, OP:
>pick a game
>grind it endlessly, dying over and over as you slowly memorize every single second of the game
>finally 1cc it
>try a new game
>repeat the process because SHMUPs are about memorization, not getting good, and none of the skills you learn from one game will carry over to the others you try
>spend the rest of your life screaming about how SHMUPs are the most skill intensive genre

>>5024350
>none of the skills you learn from one game will carry over to the others you try

Couldn't be further from the truth

>>5022978
FGC community is at least moderately self-aware. I've met cool as fuck shooter fans offline but they're easily the worst fanbase on this board.

>>5024436
wat game

>>5024426
>this board
You mean on the internet right? There isn't one single shmup forum in existence with humanity.

Why does /shmupg/ act so elitist over games that are entirely memoshit? They think they are skilled as fuck players playing the same 30 minute game over and over and act like they are gods when they don't even get half the score of the Japanese WR. You don't see this when it comes to arcade games that require actual real skill and no memorization like IIDX where most people are friendly and willing to help.

>>5024479
Ask anything you want about any game that's regularly played by shmupg posters and you will get advice, people are very willing to help it's just that dealing with dumbasses like you who can't accept advice and spew nonsense gets tiring quickly. Rhythm fags must be the most spineless people around or monks if theyre willing to put up with /vr/ level of stubborn cluelessness without talking shit back. Though honestly this sounds like fabrication to me, doubt you even play iidx at a decent level

>>5024484
They are very defensive too. Also Im chuuden, weather you think thats a decent level or not.

>>5024487
Post those replays lad

>>5024489
I don't play memoshmups any more m8

>>5024491
Not that, your iidx replays dumbass

>>5024493
>replays in a rhythm game

>>5024494
Yes its what people call a recording or let me guess you dont record anything and theres 0 indication that youre anything but a shit player?

>>5024496
I don't record because I'm not a top player. As I said I am chuuden. Maybe if I ever become Kaiden and get top scores on Arcana, which is extremely unlikely then maybe I will record. But no one really does that outside of top players, which no one in the west is.

>>5024501
Thats too competent by /vr/ shitter standards desu so I dont buy it, but anyway youre stupid since most competitive shmups are chock full of rng and "memo isnt a skill" mentality is the biggest indicator of a shitter making excuses

>>5024502
Memo is a skill but not a big one.

>>5024479
virgins who achieved nothing irl

>>5024479
>games that are entirely memoshit?
they really aren't at all, i wish they were but at high level it simply isn't so. calling iidx no memo is trolling though.

>>5024503
Empty statement, memo can be incredibly demanding if games make it demanding, and shmups arent even close to being memo theyre a dynamic mix of memo, routing, execution and improvisation with the biggest source of difficulty being execution

>>5024350
>he thinks 1ccs are the peak

lmao.

>>5024508
There is very little memorization in IIDX. The only memoshit is BPM changes on the few songs that have them

>>5023709
worst is defo gradius 3 arcade

>>5023394
>Any fucking SaGa game has more nuance to it than a schmup.

depends on the stg but most cave scoring is extremely deep and nuanced beyond anything imaginable often to an annoying degree but even 95% of west players are too shit to ever know this.

>>5024512
Gotta love that the bar's set so low kusoclears are treated like a life absorbing obsession

>>5022504
My favorite shmup and first 1cc was mushihimesama futari. simple scoring system, fantastic level design, great ship controls.

Dont let the "HARDEST VIDEO GAME BOSS EVER" videos on youtube fool you, those are from the games "ultimate" difficulty

>>5022504
Kamui on steam is the perfect difficulty for beginners. Youll most likely get a 1cc in <20hours while still having it feel like an achievement

>>5024513
aren't the patterns on songs completely fixed? of course it's memo.

>>5024529
yeah most 1ccs are completely possible in a mere 20-40 hrs which is absolutely fucking nothing, literally 1-2 hrs of play a few days a week for a month if you want casual pace but generation adhd please feed me feels without work can't even do that.

It's only 2-all, scoring and 1ccs like futari ultra that become high investment (by these guys standards but its still fuck all in retrospect)

>>5024568
>aren't the patterns on songs completely fixed? of course it's memo.
Top players in IIDX use random.

>>5024534
1. no one cares about your "sick grabs" collector dadshit
2. it's ultra and not "ultimate" and yes original is a comfy clear if just going for 1cc
3. why talk about futari and accompany with a pic of ketsui and DFK?

>>5024571
chill autismo

>>5024570
interesting, didn't know that. This myth about shmups being memo is dumb though, go try strikers 45 2nd loop or any ygw Raizing game, guwange is rng central and so is nearly every shmup with varying degrees, there are very few exceptions. People fall into this trap because in 1cc play you can build consistent routes but this is not comparable to high scoring routes at all and when you have no miss bonuses and huge remaining lives bonuses with bosses that have random movement which skews patterns and shit it's a nightmare.

>>5024573
Literally deleting posts that simply correct inaccurate misinfo, the absolute state of this board.

>>5024534
why did you post unrelated games?

did you score more than 250mill?

it's ultra mode not ultimate.

please do not delete this post which corrects misinfo.

>>5024578
Why are you butthurt over someone posting their latest cops?

>>5024575
>>5024578
Heh... Youre lucky its just youre posts I deleted... Better watch your mouth, who knows what else ill delete

>>5024574
https://youtu.be/IJeEx0ndt20?t=118
Here's a video somewhat demonstrating how the random in IIDX works on a very hard part of a song. The only thing not random is the scratch notes.

>>5024581
Only tragic dads do it because they can't actually play anything so they spam sick grabs on twitter and social media because it's the only replication of the youthful high they experienced as kids which they seek to replicate for hedonism. I'm not butthurt about it, just calling it for what it is AND it wasn't related to what game he was even talking about albeit falsely.

I'm not sure i'd call futari original simple scoring when i doubt he has more than 200mill, easy to grasp i guess.

>>5024584
This is why your community is shit.

>>5024584
literally autistic

start with the first one space invaders, then asteroids

https://r.mprd.se/MAME/snap/asteroid.png

>>5024583
k thanks, well as a breif example i'll use strikers45s loop because it's the easiest to understand, all suicide bullets from enemies are randomized in trajectory and randomized into 1,2,3 spreads, they also have no sealing distance so any point blanking will kill you, just a single example.

>>5024585
On the contray our community is great because it actually focuses on the actual hobby ie the play and not the sad, empty, vacuous consumerism culture that you've been so indoctrinated by, it's the vicious cycle of go to work, feel down, buy something to feel good for a day, feel down again, rinse repeat. Real fulfillment and pleasure comes from high investment long term learning and development where as you just want big mac highs from buying pointless plastic to share with your "friends" on twitter as if you achieved anything. It's tragic honestly and shows you don't actually like learning or the games at all but merely the product and the aesthetic.

There's a reason barely ANY of the best players in the east and west have collections like that or ever post stupid pics of their "sick grabs" they're too busy actually playing to improve.

You don't see talented musicians posting their instrument collections very often for the same reason, the interest is the playing and perfection of performance.

>>5024586
meaningless buzzwords to detract from feeling threatened by the inconvenient truth.

>>5024457

Armed Police Batrider. Go play it. It's fucking awesome.

>>5022504
Gun.Smoke

The NES port is also great.

>>5023525
>The main reason people play games like Tyrian is because they constantly drip feed you with upgrades and novel weapons,
Yeah that's what I think is fun. Building up to be god.

i recently got Raiden Fighters Aces. Which game is considered the best, and which one should I 1cc first?

>>5024197
I might be. I also have an inkling of who you are. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not really, if there's a thread capable of making you get over how much you hate/hated 4chan, it's this one.

How is the mobile version of this? I've heard conflicting reports.

With the risk of "DURR E-CELEB SHIT" I like this guy. He'll pick up a new game blind and master it

https://www.youtube.com/user/THESHMUPMASTER

>>5024767
my god it really is a generation of robots. The best one is the one you like the most, the one you should 1cc is the one you enjoy playing the most.

see isn't that hard is it?

>>5024810

>playing a game that requires pixel perfect precision on touch screen

Why would you do that to yourself?

>>5024876
I have an S-pen

>>5024891
I have an S-apple

what are the best shmups on steam? I like shit like jets and guns or un squadron or 1943 not the bullet hell mazes

>>5025039
Darius Burst is neat. Lots if DLC which is good or bad depending on your perspective i guess

>>5025080

$60 for the game lol you cannot be serious

>>5025091
This is your brain on MAME piracy and $3 doujin kusoge shmups.

>>5025110
You mean "this is a brain of a normal person"?
Kill yourself, shill.

>>5025116
>he thinks a tiny dev of a niche genre could afford to shill

>>5025091
Game's not even good anyway, just pirate that shit if you really wanna try it.

>>5024808
I don't post here (not a fan of the board, or the web as a whole really) I was just shown the thread and thought HMM THIS GUY SOUNDS FAMILIAR.