/vr/ - Retro Games

Best OST for sure

>>5007714
Emperor: Battle for Dune

>>5007714
uh building one unit at a time is their best game?

>>5007714
Nox

bladerunner

I dropped so many goddamn hours into RA1 as a kid without ever really even getting far in the campaign. I essentially just played house a lot

>>5007714
That's not how you spell Lands of Lore 2.

>>5007714
I played it to death on the PS1

>>5007714
Kyrandia 2 or 3

>>5008426
agreed

>>5007714
>Best by WS
>Anything but pic related
Shit taste, senpai. Especially if you consider it can easily qualify to the top 5 of adventure games ever made, not to mention being one of the most unique games in the genre

Yeah, it's Blade Runner.

>>5007714
i would add empire earth 1 and C&C TS

>>5008543
It's truly a shame that the source code to this game has been lost forever.

what was that other game like command and conquer sole survivor advertised on heat.net?

>>5008543
If you are referring to the mechanics of the game (deciding who is the killer and time flowing regardless of your actions), it's the only such game out there. There are games with "natural" flow of time and there are games with random element thrown into investigation, even if it's main plot rather than side quest, but Blade Runner is the only one to combine those two.
Think about it this way: it was possible to deliver a game like that 21 years ago, while what? 3? 4 years ago we had the whole "Heavy Rain" bullshit hype, about a game as linear as only feasibly possible and boasting how innovative it is with its time flow. Still worse than a clunker from late 90s done mostly as an experiment.

>>5008458
Same. Comfy base building, used to just use the editor to make maps where I had an unfair geographical advantage and just let the cpu players duke it out for the right to face me, while i made perfectly symmetrical, fuckhuge bases.

>>5007714
Dune 2

>>5007714
>why is it RA1

It's the music and the sound effects, plus the extremely well crafted levels. That's about it.

>>5009643
yessir? AFFERMATEEF

It makes me really happy that RA lives a second life as OpenRA. It's a worthy remake, can only say good things about it.

>>5009587
/thread

>>5008540
>>5008426
>January 31, 2000
sorry m8s

>>5007714
lm sdalhr

>>5010480
Wait, we don't include entire 2000 into /vr/?
I was cock-sure /vr/ ends with 31st December '00, just like the century and millenium.

>>5010510
It's case-sensitive. For example, Impressions' city-builders get a free pass, despite the only games that really are /vr/ are Caesar 1-3 and Pharaoh barely qualifies (1st November '99, while Cleopatra, the expansion pack, doesn't qualify at all)

>>5010519
I think the best example and related with OP's post is Thief. Thief 2, the peak of the series, happend in March 2000.

>>5010510
imho we should have a moving date, that is e.g. exactly 15 (or 20) years from the current date

>>5010553
>Thief 2
>the peak of the series

>>5010620
Not him, but nice knowing you never played a single Thief game (no, the "Thi4f" doesn't count).

>>5010574
Why not just making a crawling marker, rather than making it year-related? We are already allowing a lot of stuff from 00-02 this way, because often the games in question are either continuation of a franchise (still using old engine) or have more in common with /v/ than /vr/ (not to mention being often forgotten due to reasons and only existing as retro stuff, despite not being retro by /vr/ definition).

>>5011020
I've played through 1 and 2 countless times. saying that 2 is "peak thief" is absurd.

half of the levels are boring generic mechanist crap. the only normal mansion mission is ruined by linearity and an obnoxious in-game tutorial. the architecture in the city missions is uninspired compared to the one in the first games.

on top of it, the mechanists are 100% cringe. it's painfully obvious how their voiceovers tried to mimick le quirky monty python humour, and their art deco themed designs don't fit into the thief universe.

thief 1 was peak thief and you know it.

>>5008543

Not to mention having a story that was a perfect blend of the book and the movie. It paid better homage to the book than even the movie and should have been a model for the sequel.

>>5010620
But it is the peak of the series, you fucking contrarian. LGS improved the first game in every single way, while also carefully listening to their players in doing so. So the levels were better, the missions were better, combat was kicked out rather than having those random dungeon crawling moments for no particular reason and it had tighter plot.
Since 2 is an improvement over 1 in every way, what's here to argue? Unless, of course, you want to try to convince us here that non-LGS made Thief games were better?

>>5011042
>Reddit spacing
>Uses "cringe"
>Along with cringe collection meme
You need to be 18 to post on 4chan. And at least 25 to "get" /vr/

>>5011053
>zombies scare me: the post

>>5011057
>reddit spacing
you haven't been here very long, have you?

>>5011042
Oh, I see what you are doing
3/10, took me long enough to realise

>>5011061
>Gets called reddit
>Instantly defensive
>Must "prove" anything to anyone
>On anonymous internet Tibetan tapestry
... have you?

1) Red Alert 2 / Yuri's Revenge
2) Tiberian Sun / Firestorm.
3) Red Alert 1 / Counterstrike / Aftermath / Retaliation
4) Emperor Battle for Dune
5) Command & Conquer Renegade
6) Command & Conquer
7) Dune 2000

>>5011059
Zombies are boring and don't belong to a game about being a master fucking thief. They simply don't fit the game and have nothing to do with anything. They are there, because LGS was working on different game initially. That's literally it. Defending them in the game is like saying the two-pointer system of Settlers 1 is superior, because hey, it was in the original game! Never mind it was solely due to the game being written with Amiga controller in mind.

>>5011062
this is the most popular thief 2 mission. it's praised for its """"open endedness""""

>>5011064
still not an argument in sight

>>5011070
>Still having to prove people he's right
Adorable

>>5011069
>don't belong to a game about being a master fucking thief
why? you hide from them just like you'd do from anything else. the same stealth mechanics still apply.

>>5011071
still not an argument

>>5011059
>It's another episode of people pretending the only reason zombies in T1 get the hate is because of weak-willed, easily-scared sissies and not because they were simply shit-tier element to otherwise perfectly fine game
If you think anyone got scared by that shit, you must be delusional.
But hey, you are defending zeds in T1, so go figure

>>5011068
Nigga doesn't even put any Lands of Lore games on his dumbass list

>>5011074
Why can't they be guards then? The zombies were retarded, because they were zombies. It has nothing to do with being scary or any other shit. It's just the whole game... and then suddenly undead. Just doesn't mesh together.

And seriously, mate, you are swallowing at this point his bait along with the float and you are in the middle of fishing rod, just fucking stop already

>>5011079
>game is set in a magic fantasy universe
>some of the biggest events in the plot are directly linked to magic
BUT
>having actual supernatural elements appear in the game is "shit-tier" and instead we should have boring robots with cringy monty python voiceovers
wew

>Westwood Studios thread
>Argument about Thief
>Meanwhile, in LGS thread
>Tomb Raider and Settlers

>>5011085
the destruction of the sealed section at the hands of the undead is one of the biggest events in the history of the city, and it's directly linked to the trickster, who is the main antagonist. tell me why the undeads don't "belong" in the universe.

>>5011090
>Game is set in as much down-to-earth fantasy universe as only feasible without stopping being fantasy
>Random supernatural unrelated with a plot is somehow fine
BUT
>Having in 2nd game repercussions of broken balance in the universe is cringe and boring
wew

>>5011093
Welcome to the final days of summer, anon

>>5011098
>Game is set in as much down-to-earth fantasy universe as only feasible without stopping being fantasy
nigger what? the entire game plot is centered around the struggle against the trickster, a supernatural being who once besieged the city with undead. how the fuck is such a setting "as much down-to-earth fantasy universe as only feasible"?

>>5011108
Not him, but did we play different games?
>The game has a physical god
>It's a dude that can be best decribed as "low power super"
>The game has """"dragons""""
>They are oversized not!raptors
>The game has magic going in it
>Mostly as a background force that just exists
>The game has undead
>They are just there as window dressing
Everything in Thief 1 and 2 was about taking a fantasy setting, meshing it with fucking urban fiction and removing as much "magic" out of everything as possible. It wasn't until 3 where weird stuff started going on regular basis, but guess what? Different studio made that one.
It's like you never fucking heard about the concept of low power fantasy. Which is not the same as low fantasy and yet somehow people tend to confuse those two non-stop. Thief is the text-book example of low power fantasy going. And it's part of what makes it so unique as a setting.

>>5011119
constantine lives in another plane, that can only be reached through a clearly magical portal. by enacting certain ritual involving a magical artifact, he can bring chaos into the world and destroy all human civilisation.

is this really "low fantasy" to you? does the presence of undead really strike you as too "high" fantasy compared to this? and like I said, the destruction of the sealed section is well integrated into the plot of the game. I don't know what you'd expect to find there if not the undead who destroyed it.

>>5011131
I think you have serious reading comprehension problem, because I just described to you why the game is low POWER fantasy and NOT LOW FANTASY...
... and first thing you did is asking me how can I call it low fantasy, something that I explicitly didn't and denied.

>>5011132
>low POWER fantasy
judging by your description, "low power fantasy" is just fantasy that's a step higher than low fantasy, but not high enough to be high fantasy. going by this definition, it still exists on the same low-high spectrum.

the question is, then: is a demigod with the power to destroy all human civilisation just because he has a shiny stone really "lower" than having a few undead?

>>5011148
You really can't into reading comprehension... can you? I mean how the fuck you even manage on text-based imageboard, if you can't understand what the hell you are reading and instead projecting your own bullshit on something already described for you, rather than, you know, READING IT

>>5007714
It's C&C Generals: Zero Hour.

Red Alert 2 > Red Alert 1

>>5011151
what did i say wrong this time, anon? "low power fantasy" is essentially fantasy that features some supernatural elements, without going full high fantasy? that's how you defined it.

I don't really care about your semantics. the important thing is that we have a universe where cities get besieged by anthropomorphised forces of nature, where powerful elemental crystals materialise spontaneously (this actually becomes exaggerated in thief 2), and where literal alternate planes are accessed through magical portals. having a few zombies doesn't really stand out.

>>5011159
Different anon, but he made his point pretty clear, so even I, not being part of discussion, can understand it. And for whatever reason you keep utterly ignoring what he said, going completely different path and being confused you are called out on that.
Also, nobody gives a fuck about your shitty stealth game. This is Westwood Studios thread, get the fuck out or post about WS games

>>5011085
>It's just the whole game... and then suddenly undead

t. someone who evidently didn't even play the game and is just spouting memes since undead get introduced straight away and are very much prevalent in the second and third missions

If I want to play RA1 against my bro online, what’s the best way to accomplish this?

>>5013384
Never mind - googled it and found cncnet. Usually getting older games to work for online play is a major pain in the ass. I’ll give this a try.

>>5008438
>>5008543
>>5008602

my nigga. The french dubbed version was really on point too.

>>5007714
>Ctrl + F
>Blade Runner scores bunch of hits

>>5007714
Tiberian sun was my fave. Such a cool aesthetic and an extremely original ost.

>why is it RA1?

Because that was the last one Erik Yeo designed.

>>5007714
>Westwood fate
I wish I had money so I would buy the studio before EA did it.

>>5008543
Thanks, I'll have to play it.

>>5011057
>>Reddit spacing

They are called paragraphs you imbecil.

>>5015640
Highly recommended. One of the high points of adventure genre, despite (or maybe because) being made by studio known for completely different things

>>5015664
English professor here. I'd flunk out any kid that would linebreak after every sentence.

>>5007714
Eye of the Beholder 1 or 2.

>>5008459
This

>>5015664
I'm not sure you know what paragraph is, even if someone hit you with one right in the face.
But let's try, shall we? I'm just giving you a free demonstration. Not sure you will get it, considering you are clearly dumb piece of shit defending reddit spacing out of all things, but it won't hurt trying.
So did you get it already? Or you are just too dense to comprehend things even when seeing them?

>>5011084
Well he's clearly a fan of Westwood's RTS games. Can't blame him, even I hadn't played Westwood's adventure games or dungeon crawlers before now. I actually got inspired by this thread to finally install Kyrandia 1 and it seems breddy gud this far.

It's amazing how many of the 1990s game companies were so versatile and delivered great products from multiple different genres. Blizzard did Lost Vikings, Diablo and RTS games, Looking Glass had flight simulators, sports games and FPS games...

This one is hard, but I'll probably have to pick Dune 2. Though I really liked Command & Conquer and Red Alert, Dune 2 is going to be stuck on me the rest of my life. Blade Runner is very good, but I think I've only played through it once or twice, I never really liked the random stories and endings.

I also liked Lion King, but I guess that's mostly because it's Lion King.

>>5007837
>Emperor: Battle for Dune
I guess you're trolling.

It's a tie between Tiberian Sun (with Firestorm fixing the Artillery) and RA2. TS has better atmosphere, RA2 plays better.

The best missions are RA2's Chrono Defense and TS Hammerfest Base.

>>5008543
Why is Blade Runner not available on Steam/GOG?
>Speaking in 2015 regarding a possible re-release of the game via Steam or GOG.com, Louis Castle explained the source code and assets were lost when Westwood moved its studio from Las Vegas to Los Angeles, thus making a re-release or a HD-remaster impossible. Even if the code was found, to restore almost a terabyte of assets, whether for new pre-rendered backdrops or full real-time 3D, would cost tens of millions of dollars, making a re-release as unlikely as a sequel.[31] The Blade Runner Partnership and Electronic Arts currently own the rights to the game.[17]
oh no!

>>5019169
The last sentence is the real reason, anon.

>>5019169
>to restore almost a terabyte of assets, whether for new pre-rendered backdrops or full real-time 3D, would cost tens of millions of dollars
Bull

>>5019215
Reminder that game is made in voxels, so potential assest would be huge.
But the price tag comes pretty much entirely from the fact the copyrights are owned by more than single entity and one of those entities is EA.

>>5019169
just get an asm-hacker and make that game non-shit on modern OS
your welcome.

>>5019684
>and one of those entities is EA.
there are EA-games on GOG, so that's no excuse

>>5007714
sure as fuck isn't lion king. they sucked at making platformers.

>>5019123
>Hammerfest Base.

Fuck yes.

>>5019112
Emperor was great man. The campaign was incredible and the movies felt like you were in the actual movie universe. The two Harkonnen brothers were hilarious.

>>5021140
No, it's not about "Evil EA is evil". It's about "EA has to share copyright with other company". Their standard policy in such situation is to intentionally cock-block every other copyright holder, in a bid to keep the title in their library

>>5021839
>in a bid to keep the title in their library
but they aren't using it either.

>>5022850
Doesn't matter. If they keep it in library, they make money on it, even if they don't do anything. All those games by EA in GOG? They earn money just because.
Also, they can sell copyrights when there is a buyer. No buyer? So no point giving it away for free.
My personal favourite is Wasteland. They had rights for original. Didn't use them in any fucking way. But they would probably sit their asses on copyrights unless Fargo would finally get enough dough to show up in their offices and make a bid to buy the rights for Wasteland. Forget all the spin-doctor tier marketing Wasteland 2 is. The reality is a small company making a lucrative bid for outright ancient copyright.

>>5009387
the '90s were just better at fucking everything

Legend of Kyrandia 2 obviously, since Zanthia is best girl.

Lands of Lore 1-3 are valid answers too, it's still EA's fault the last one is so bug ridden.

Ok, well now I've played through the first Legend of Kyrandia. I admit I was pretty hyped at first but quickly grew tired mazes, finding randomly generated gems with correct colours, inventory management and obscure puzzles. One of the worse adventure games I have played. Wimpy Joe Kucan as the main VA also got on my nerves. I shamelessly used the official guide that came with the GOG release and I don't feel like I missed anything.