/vr/ - Retro Games

possibly a cool/rare sony tv setup pickup:

>>4980567
Someone was giving away one of those on the other side of my state. I'd have loved to have been able to get it.

>>4980324

What's the verdict on this geometry? Will tilt correction or something in the service menu sort it out? Don't know if I should spend the effort picking this one up or not.

>>4980726
I have the same model. It has geometry issues like that as well and it's pretty impossible to fix. It's a lower end model and I think they all just have quirks like this. I still like it but if you're looking for zero to no geomatry issues stay away.

>>4980731

This is the 24" model. I have the 27" and it looks very square, so I have been lucky. I know that CRTs are never perfect, but I am not sure what is with the red line running across the top.

>>4980324
I'm doing request for any games.

>>4980726
What's the model of this Triniton?

>>4980928
24FS120

Is there any way to use a colorimeter to calibrate a CRT TV without hooking the TV up to a PC?

where can I find vga monitors? I can find a million pvms on craiglist but not a single decent monitor for my pc

>>4980324
I currently work in surplus for a local university and they have two JVC BM-H1300SU's there. How good are these, generally speaking?

>>4980324
>orange spice
Man of culture.

>>4981143
>Man of culture.
Thanks. Orange is my color. I am forced to wear it at work (or that high vis green). I wear orange while I am out in the woods hunting. I just love the color. When you see it in nature, it screams "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ME I WILL FUCKING KILL ALL OF YOU". Yea, I wish there were more orange consoles.

It was the only controller I saved from the GC era. It was just too nice of a controller to sell off. I was very glad that the wii offered support for GC. It made the decision to sell all GC hardware a simple one. I got a good price by some hipster looking for a SSB system. Almost what I paid new for it. I love Craigslist.

>>4981138

cringe

>>4981138
sigh, i hope that's not real

>>4980567
WA represent

>>4980949
Hm are you sure? i'm
>>4980731
and it looks a hell of a lot like my KV-20FS100, which i just screwed around with the service menu some more right now. Honestly i got the geometry pretty damn good now after about a month of dicking around. If it is in good condition and free/super cheap i'd recommend it but be prepared to use the service menu a whole hell of a lot at first.

>>4981267
Actually upon further inspection its probably a KV-24FS100 if it is 24". Shit i said still applies.

>>4981276
That was definitely a typo. The seller sent me a pic of the sticker the other day. I have the 13 and 27 100s that look great so I am gonna skip this one.

Looking for a 4/1 vga switchbox. Are those cheap Chinese jobs any good? And to anyone who's used (any) switchbox, did you have ghosting or other image quality issues? Thanks!

So, I've got a line on pic related for $30. The seller swears its a 19" but gave me the model number for the 13". I'm pretty set on picking it up, but how good is the panasonic picture quality? I'm also picking up an rgb-less pvm 20 tomorrow for decently cheap. I'm thinking maybe i can sell the panasonic to cover my sony purchase and/or to have it as my operating monitor as i tinker around modifying my sony for rgb. what do you guys think, any good?

>>4981315

I'm a retard

I can never get the perfect picture. Losing faith in the meme boys

>>4981138
>tfw that's my PVM model
please don't bully

Wich better ?
Bang & olufsen MX series or Beovision 1 ?

Are these any good? Because I have two.

>>4981425
Don't know - I'll get off my ass, head over to your place, plug it in and find out

you fucking twat.

>>4981457
What's with the sudden turn of /vr/ becoming so passive aggressive and refusing to give anybody any help or advice recently? Where are you fucking children coming from?

>>4981415
MX

>>4981474
>Where are you fucking children coming from?
Summer is almost over....

>>4981425
Stock images of Commodore monitors are pretty ballin'.

You have two? Post the other one.

>>4981138
Maybe Nintendo pulling roms out of surface wasn't a bad decision, afterall...

>>4981425

The monitor was made in 1983 and has geometry controls/knobs for contrast brightness color tint, supports composite in the front and S-video in the back with an adapter. Just grab this adapter for s-video.

Only thing you will probably need to do is open it up and adjust the focus. Easy to take apart, kinda of tricky to put back together as the s-video module is placed weird.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/S-Video-Monitor-Adapter-Male-RCA-to-Female-Mini-DIN-Atari-800-XL-XE-New/141190919864?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I have one and it is built super well.

>>4981425

The monitor was made in 1983 and has geometry controls/knobs for contrast brightness color tint, supports composite in the front and S-video in the back with an adapter. Just grab this adapter for s-video.

Only thing you will probably need to do is open it up and adjust the focus. Easy to take apart, kinda of tricky to put back together as the s-video module is placed weird.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/S-Video-Monitor-Adapter-Male-RCA-to-Female-Mini-DIN-Atari-800-XL-XE-New/141190919864?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I have the cable above and it is built real well.

The monitor looks pretty good with composite due to its small size, S-video even better imo. When I opened mine up it had a Hitachi sticker on the tube.

>>4981457
>>4981541
I meant how they are compared to other CRT monitors. Honestly, I didn't even know /vr/ had CRT threads.
Though I did word my own post pretty poorly, so I apologize.

>>4981576
Thanks! I'll look into it and see what else I can learn.

Any idea what series this is? Worth the 15 minute drive to grab it?

>>4981642
Looks like some sort of WEGA. I wouldn't recommend it due to the headaches that flat screens can cause but if a little muddied geometry doesn't bother you then go for it.

>>4981639
>I didn't even know /vr/ had CRT threads.
There is usually a /crt/ general at all times. There is TONS of great info in the OP about various problems and fixes.

I have trolled around the internet quite a bit, and this is honestly the most informative and educational site on the net that I have found for discussion of fixing and repair, though mostly it is just general discussion of the technology. And then there is that guy that always spams the 12 bad things about CRTs in every thread with bullet points. He is a tool. Ignore him. I am somewhat surprised he hasn't spammed this up yet.

>>4981645
I'll pick it up if still available tommorow. 20" is about the size i was looking for. I have my old 32" RCA in storage but it is too massive to drag out.

>>4981642
Looks like the same model of one of my Trinitrons.

They suck at displaying straight lines, but otherwise, they're great for retro games if you don't mind that.

>>4981653
There was this one too, one of the few CRT tvs on kajiji that were not free this week. It's a bit bigger than I needed though.

I still have the manual for a tv from 91 that I picked up, and it has a list of the certified technician centers for working on the tv, and one business close by that it lists is still open. What are the odds that, if I call them up, they would have the service manual for my tv (no, it is definitely not online)

Anybody know why the general image is wavy on my CRT? It's not that noticeable during gameplay but menus or textboxes with fine vertical lines kinda highlight the issue. I looked around online and it looks like the problem could be anything, from interference to where the set is plugged in to a magnetic issue. I think the geometry is as good as it's gonna get for now, tweaked it quite a bit in the service menu so it's not that. Any ideas?

>>4981642
Probably an FV300, which is among the best flat screen consumer TVs you can get.

The FV310 is widely considered to be the best flat screen CRT. Pic related, not mine though.

>>4981368
>>4981315

well, I went and picked this up from a tweaker. CT-2086vyb. Looks like its mainly used for security cameras .

What's a decent horizontal line count? What's consumer level and what is above average or professional?

>>4981645
>if a little muddied geometry doesn't bother you
I never noticed any issues back in the PS1/N64 era on these flatscreens when they were new and stae-of-the-art, but when you bought one you did have to do some adjustment. There was a setting that would make the screen barrel shaped if you set it wrong but I can't recall what that was called.

I just bought an extron crosspoint what the fuck am i doing with my life

This looks okay? It's on a 34-inch trinitron. is it a good decision buying such a big crt to play 4th gen games?

>>4982156

>>4980324
You took long enough to post this thread.

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>4982156
Looks good, geometry maybe a bit off.

Show waterfall.

>>4981671
Are you really paying for cable tv in 2018?

>>4981474
>What's with the sudden turn of /vr/ becoming so passive aggressive and refusing to give anybody any help or advice recently?

Not meaning you or the person who posted the question, but helping idiots raises prices further. The best option for hipster bandwagoners is if they can't figure out how to use the equipment. CRTs all suck and you should only use flashcarts and retron 5 or analog super-nt. Don't waste your time with this old tech, get something that works with modern displays. We left this old shit in the past for a reason.

(this should be the standard response to bandwagoners)

>tfw running pc crt at 1400x1050
Looks so fucking nice, the fact I can do almost 1080p on a CRT blows my mind.

>>4982191
Please ignore this tool, maybe he will go away.

>>4982209
The geometry issues and eyestrain from non-persistence are real. Spread the word.

>>4982221
What is this copypasta, even? From where it generated? Probably from these same threads but, why? And what are their sources for such bold statements?

Looks like S-video is the best I can do. I'm sad I'm not an rgb big dick player.

I guess this is the best place to ask this:

Is it possible for me, if I have my SNES or some other console hooked up to all the splitters so it goes to both a TV and a capture card, can I set things so that the TV is displaying a composite signal (assuming the TV may be composite only) while I can send s-video out to the card?

Can someone with more experience with crt's explain whats going on here. basically straight vertical lines will typically be bent eventually while going up the screen

its somewhat random where the bend will be, usually near the top, but sometimes near the bottom. its most noticeable in like resident evil when going up a ladder i can see the bottom half of the ladder flaring out left and right a little bit instead of being a complete straight object

Moving into a new place soon, can't wait to finally have the space to set up my collection and CRT properly.

So, has anyone in here upgraded a non-rgb pvm to take rgb? I don't need a complete tutorial , just a brief overview of what's needed. I have the service manual but was hoping for a quick rundown.

>>4982191
>>4982191
>You took long enough to post this thread.
Op here. Spam identified and reported.

>>4982304
>What is this copypasta, even? From where it generated? Probably from these same threads but, why? And what are their sources for such bold statements?
Its just some overweight neackbeard with nothing better to do. I would guess that he grew up with a Xbox 360 that his step dad let him play on the weekends he is visiting mom.

>>4982304
copied from here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GloriousCRTMasterRace/wiki/misconceptions

>>4982451
Anon delivers

>>4982451
>copied from here:
Op again.

It seems really odd that this clown spams up every crt related thread with an exact old copy pasta from the place that disproves everything he is claiming.

It is spam in my opinion, just based on the idea that it is posted constantly, and is nearly 100% incorrect. I hope he finds peace.


Pic totally unrelated is a table I refinished.

Okay guys so I have a pretty consistent color issue on both of my CRTs. Basically, thinks that I feel should be a much more stark yellow/golden color have an ugly green tint to them but if I increase the red values in the service menu to bring it out the things that are stark red become really overpowering and the rest of the image gets too much of a purple hue. What's up with that?

>>4982571
Have you tried known good?

>>4982582
I can't seem to find any consensus about which values yield the most true color balance by default, I assume that's what you mean.

>>4982617
Plug your consoles into a different tv, plug different consoles into your tvs.

>>4982571
Never Twice Same Color

Put some color bars on it, get it "close enough for jazz" and enjoy your games :-)

>>4982571
>Okay guys so I have a pretty consistent color issue on both of my CRTs. Basically, thinks that I feel should be a much more stark yellow/golden color have an ugly green tint to them but if I increase the red values in the service menu to bring it out the things that are stark red become really overpowering and the rest of the image gets too much of a purple hue. What's up with that?
Check the Tint if available.

>>4982571
Why are you adding red?

Red is not the opposite of green.

Last week I didn't have any crts, today I have two monitors and my friend just told me his dad has a third broadcast monitor in storage I can have. What the fuck did you guys do to me?

join us, it's comfy

>>4982906
Oh I'm all in, my guy.

>>4982491
any pics pre restoration?

>>4982897
>What the fuck did you guys do to me?
Strung out junkie:
>You got any more of that PVM?

>>4983037
>any pics pre restoration?
No, but to describe it:

It was yellow like a church pew. Looked like some sort of basic yellow oak stain. There were gouges and scratches. I had to replace a whole section with new veneer. The legs were ugly yellow with gold around the rings on the bottom of the feet. I would describe it as "ghetto" looking when I got it. I took the whole thing apart totally, and cleaned and repainted every metal spring, screw and part. I used stripper to get rid of their laquer, and hand sanded the whole thing to stay with the grain of the wood.

It is heavy as fuck, and was designed to sit with a couch or loveseat on either side, and the top telescopes out for what? I don't know, but it was so damn cool I had to pick it up. Plus it had nice casters...It makes a nice corner stand for a tv. To give an idea how large it is. it is 36" from the corner to the outside edge.

It was destroyed when I got it for $10. Should have been left for the garbage man.

Are some lower end model trinitrons supposed to have a little orangey red? I swear to fucking god i've tried everything to get this KV-20FS100's reds to be less orange but nothing is working. Just age maybe?

The classic Tomb Raider games are among my favourite. I'm currently replaying TR2 Gold on a Win98 computer with a generic office Dell monitor.

Just for my interest, what is the best monitor to play those games on. Something larger than a 12" certainly. Basically I'm asking what is the best monitor to play classic games of that era on.

>>4982308
you're not missing any sharpness, only some color
but if you're playing SNES, s-video seems to bring out the worst in the vertical line

Can't get a great picture but here goes. This is the main problem my set is having, see how the straight lines on the warp pipe and the little edit sign are wavy? No amount of messing with bow/angle and whatever pins in the service menu seems to help it and it's a noticeable effect in several places on the screen. Additionally, see how the thick black outline of the warp pipe fades out where the edit sign begins? Some objects on screen impose a noticeable "field" that bleeds off to the right of them and can overlap with other elements of the picture like that, not sure if that's normal. Any advice?

how much are the older curved 16:10 trinitrons worth? I see one on craigslist for $200 and wondering if I should give it for a shot

>>4980976
Where are you finding these PVMs? Are they the same ridiculous priced ones I'm finding?

>>4983542
it's a GDM

>>4983542
I just got two this week, each for a hundred bucks. Not cheap but not ridiculous either.

>>4982430

Someone on the shmup forum thread did did but damn if I know where it is out of the ~60 pages.

>>4983149
Probably a largish consumer crt. Something like a 29" or larger. It's what we played on back in the day and it's a damn fine way to play.

>>4983730
Thanks, I'll start digging through the forum.

>>4983736

IIRC there was one where a dude basically made an expansion board with breadboard, duplicating the schematic of the expansion slot, another one they just soldered in some missing components.

>>4983738
Thanks. I have a pvm 20n5u and hopefully I can bump it to a n6u with just some component changes. It seems to be one of the easier units to mod. I'm just looking for a nice companion guide for the raw data of the schematics. To cross check everything.

>>4983429
it's somewhat normal
probably nothing you can do

>>4983536
wasn't aware these existed, pics? model numbers?

>>4981671
>>4981642
>Probably an FV300

Yep. It was a farmer who had it in the guest bedroom and it was only used a few times a year when his grandkids were visiting. The DVD it came with still had all the store stickers on it.

I'll hook up something on component and see how it looks.

>>4983825
What I would do for some of the luck you fuckers have.

>>4983827
it was worth the 15 minute drive for a free tv.

>>4983825
>I'll hook up something on component and see how it looks.
FUCKING AMAZING! Great find.

>>4983827
>What I would do for some of the luck you fuckers have.
The longer you are in the game, the more shit you will see. I always am looking for a "better" crt. People don't call me up and try to sell them however. I have to look around, visit second hand stores, and surf craigslist.

>>4983936
Yeah I look at all the regular places online all the time. Just seems like nobody around here has decent crt's to get rid of. Maybe one day.

I want to test the FV300 but am having a cable crisis since i just moved:
>found my old PS & N64, but back then I only used composite cable that they came with
>found my Ps2 component cable, but i cant find the box with the PS2 itself
>PS3/4 and Xboxes all have HDMI

>>4983973
PS3 still has analog support, the ps2 component cable will work with it.

Can anyone identify this CRT for me?

>>4983978
>PS3 still has analog support, the ps2 component cable will work with it.
Oh they have the same plug? I will go try it out thanks

>>4983693
On eBay?

>>4983951
>Just seems like nobody around here has decent crt's to get rid of.
I have been shopping for CRTs for the last 5 years. I have seen a total of 2 with component/composite/svideo being sold at second hand stores. They are rare, and you may do better with craigslist. They will be more common with these connections over the next few years. My 20" with component video was made in 2004. It was technology that was on its way in being mated with tech that was on its way out. I think only "High end" shit got that sort of connection.

Ebay is a waste unless you shop locally or shop for something small. Id love to get one of them 9" RCA console Tvs....but HOLY fuck are they expensive.


Keep up the good fight anon!

>>4983982
Yep, they’re the same. For me it was the other way around, I wanted to connect my PS2 via component so I could play Outrun Coast 2 Coast in 480p 60hz, but it will only let you do it via component. So I got PS3 component cables on eBay for $5.

>>4983985
Yeah i have a bit of a junker of a 20" that does well enough for now. I actually found a nice 13" model at a thrift store but it has a problem that is more or less impossible to fix unless you screw around with the yoke. Most of the ones i've found thus far have had some kind of shitty problem that is only solved by cracking the son of a bitch open and screwing with shit.

>>4983994
Sounds like you are due for some good luck.

>>4983984
No, on Craigslist.

>>4983985
9"? 13" is already pretty small why go as small as 9

>>4984017
>9"? 13" is already pretty small why go as small as 9

Why would you not want this? It would look pimp on my nightstand with a genesis or something plugged into it. Its not a primary monitor, but a fun little meme from ages past.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-Mini-Console-9-TV-Television-Works-Vintage-Excellent-Condition-Retro-Gaming/222940145927?hash=item33e844a907:g:7E0AAOSwQRla3Sc7

>>4983806
GDM-W900

>>4984025
>GDM-W900
Wow. I never knew of that one. I have a GDM-FW900. I thought it was a typo. Neat! If it is anything like the Fw900, it will outlast the cockroaches. It looks so much better then the 144hz asus right beside it, and is better in every way aside from weight, size and power consumption....3 things I couldn't care less about when it comes to photo quality images. I just calibrated it this spring, so it is good another few years.

>>4984010
Where do you look? In the free section?

Well, fucking around with PS3 component output works on the FV300. Disgaea 4 was not meant to be played at this low resolution though.

I tried taking pictures with phone but photos of CRT are hard.

>>4984073
>I tried taking pictures with phone but photos of CRT are hard.
You have to stand back, turn down the lights and use no flash....or if its totally dark, you can use the flash, but if you are angled correct, you won't see the flash in the photo.

>>4984073
it looks like shit in photos but thats operator error. It actually looks better in person.

Sorry for not retro but for tonight this is the only way I could test the component output.

>>4984085
It looks pretty good really. I think we all know how shitty photos of CRTs can look, versus what we actually see.

>>4984107
Text is hard to read in some games like dragon crown, but that is an HD game with very small text. This game is meant for 1080P.

Again this is me holding phone crooked, not an issue with the screen.Dragon crown is a dark game but I may need to fuck around with brightness in general.

>>4984114
>>4984085
Hard to tell from the photos, but if the sharpness is cranked way up, lowering a bit could actually potentially make things a bit more readable/etc.

>>4984118
Possibly, the settings are left entirely untouched for now.

I was more worried about fucked up geometry and whatnot as people said the flatscreen Wegas are prone to that.

>>4984072
I check on the free section in general but not specifically for broadcast monitors. I use a bunch of different search terms with mixed results. To be fair, I live in Los Angeles and there are probably still stacks of monitors sitting in storage buildings all over the city.

Government auctions always have crazy deals.
>A pallet load of sony BVM/PVM monitors
>one bid for $75

>>4984178
That's all well and good but they most likely don't ship so you'd have to drive there.

>>4984182
Yea that kind of thing is a "right place, right time" kind of deal.

>>4984178
How do I get in on this shit? I've seen listings for 20N6Us go for like $25 and shit.

>>4984183
There's some monitors up in Florida if anyone is looking. Might be worth looking into.

>>4984184
Just find all your local government auctions and check the lists they publish monthly. it can go a year or two before somethign good comes up.

>>4984073
>I tried taking pictures with phone but photos of CRT are hard.

Try going into manual/pro mode. On android you swipe right to get into there. I usually turn the ISO to something like 60, 45, 30... whatever keeps the phone from making those dark stripes. I've found that manual focus also helps.

If you try in auto, it will fail miserably.

>>4984178
>mfw that lot included TWO BVM-D32s

>>The ear bleeding high pitch sound they make
I'll never buy one and you're all crazy

>>4984769
are you some kind of small dog

>>4984769
>he doesn't already have tinnitus

>>4983991
>but it will only let you do it via component
You could probably do it over RGsB

>>4984351
>Try going into manual/pro mode.
I am the OP again. I think that my picture came out really good. Room was totally dark, flash was on, and I turned "Exposure value" to -2. Is an old android phone. I know that the camera has been updated since then on newer phones. At the rate I am living, my phone will be retro soon lol.

CRT photos are hard. I have never had a perfect picture. There are either lines, or it is too clear. The camera focuses on the tv, and not the colors? I am sure there are plenty of experts on it.

>>4982196
Try reading my entire post.

>>4984123
Don't worry, the consumer adjustable settings generally don't change geometry just for that reason

>>4985135
I do and it hurts mine more

>>4980871
ToeJam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron

I may have asked this is the last thread but I don't think I ever got a response.
What's a good horizontal line count? What is the count of an average consumer set and that of a more high end pvm/bvm type monitor. I know the professional grade stuff has a pretty wide range.

>>4985401
Not that anon but here's a pic of it on my 27" Sony Profeel.

>>4985401
And, for comparison, on my Pioneer PDP-428XD Plasma. No upscaler or scanline filter, native RGB SCART input from an MD1.

>>4981159
A Benfei displayport to VGA cable.

>>4985676
>A Benfei displayport to VGA cable.
I am so /vr/ that I had no idea such a thing existed. I use a GDM-fw900 with dvi-i to 5-BNC, and when I was shopping for a GPU, I needed Dvi-I.

Would this cable push refresh rates and how far? Could you run 120+ hz? I am totally unfamiliar with DP, and I might as well live under a rock. I have never even seen a DP cable, but I will go look.

>>4984050
>GDM-Fw900 outlasting anything
Lmao you are joking right?

>>4985401
Same anon sorry I was late.

>>4985676

What do you think this monitor is pondering?

>>4982380
My man, have almost the exactly the same setup with my PSone on top, my TV is a small Matsui that we've had for 20+ years though

Are any of these worth getting?

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/ele/d/variety-of-sony-pvm-monitors/6667554383.html

>>4985703
Never tried playing around with refresh rates that much. I went up to 90 and got this bright stripe at the edge of the monitor so I backed off.

Also I believe to have found a solution to my earlier problem. As I went to create a custom resolution it defaults to the current active settings. This reveals that the actual vertical lines were in fact 1024 all along despite being listed as 960. I can get the actual 1280x960 by creating my own custom resolution, but I'll have to set a refresh rate different from all the windows defaults.

If there's no potentiometers in my tv is it safe to say it has a service menu?

8042 SONY PVM
Doing any request from 4th generation and dorward.

>>4985945
Those are potentially from a listing a week or two ago where a stack of monitors ended up taking a tumble. If you do decide to pick up anything, do not expect it to just be plug and play. It is very likely that they will need some TLC to get working correctly.

>>4986007
threads of fate

>>4986007
Can you go to a waterfall or chemical plant tube and turn a knob to make it transparent instead of striped?

>>4984178
Who bought this pallet?

>>4986007
S-video or rgb?

>>4985717
>Lmao you are joking right?
I have had my GDM-FW900 for 14 years, and have no issues at all. I calibrated it this spring for the first time ever, and it looks fantastic.

No, I am not joking. How I can keep a monitor on for nearly 14 years straight without issue bears testament to how well that it was constructed. I know it was in use as a auto-cad screen prior to my use, and they bought it new. They were in the process of liquidating everything, and I was in the right place at the right time to spend $100 for it.


>>4985979
>I went up to 90 and got this bright stripe at the edge of the monitor so I backed off.

Interesting. I just wonder how much a cable is capable of. This may not prove anything other then your monitor cannot do more then 90hz at that resolution or it might be that the cable is incapable of higher refresh rate. Its great that you got the issue sorted out.

>>4985717
If you take good care of it and don't push it above it's limit, I don't see why it wouldn't last as long as any other CRT.

Going to pick up one of these and hope it's not used to shit for being a wall display crt. This listing was up a few months ago and now it's come back, I wonder what happened

>>4986103
>If you take good care of it and don't push it above it's limit, I don't see why it wouldn't last as long as any other CRT.
I have had 5+ years where I ran it at 1280x800 @ 120hz. Currently sitting at 1920x1200 @ 85hz. I am trying to FORCE myself to love this 144hz lcd, and last week I carried the GDM upstairs to sit with the NAS server.

LCD either look like shit or have ghost images. What shit technology.

>>4986025
If I don’t know anything about CRTs, except they will kill me if I touch the wrong places, this is out of my league?

>>4986115
looks fucking sweet

>>4986039
Nigga I said 4th generation you lucky I actually own that game still need to mod my ps2.

>>4986052
Nigga what?
>>4986074
Rgb

>>4986162
This is why I play with composite video. Dithering increases visual information by making these blend effects work and turning stair steps into curves. I'm glad sound engineers aren't as stupid as gamers.

>>4986173
My bad but I'm pretty stupid outside of things that I feel are pointless to understand.
>>4986039

>>4986173
>increases information
>literally sending less information than s-video or RGB
nigga what

>>4986117
Nice. Excellent tastes in display technology and politics.

>LCD either look like shit or have ghost images. What shit technology.
IPS is the best f LCD technology. Looks great, but ghosts. VA is a great middle ground. TN is just garbage.

>>4986191
Less bandwidth, but nothing a pixel in width will disappear. A gradient contains more information than an abrupt change.

>>4986191
Are you really this dumb? Its the extra noise artifacts that create blend to help dithering achieve transparency. Also, the way pixels are shown on older crt tvs using composite, helps smooth the edginess of square pixels. older crt tvs with composite makes shitty 3d games look way better and also gives character to what would be square pixels, on top of transparancy effects.

>>4986191
I don't know much about video games, but added noise can sometimes increase a signals information content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWpWIQw7HWU

>>4986052
Which knob?

>>4986224
You could try APERture. I don't know if it will add the right kind of noise, but it would be interesting to see what it does to anything.

>>4986237
What would be a good 4th gen game to test it or 5th gen but I only own a couple of those.

>>4986239
I'd really like to see what it does to a dithered transparency on Genesis or Saturn, because that tripfiend is always saying turning that knob on a PVM is the correct way to do it.

>>4986239
The blue mountains/spires in Super Mario World have a dithered gradient.

>>4986245
All the way to the right

>>4986245
All the way to the left

>>4986252
Looks just like an LCD, but with worse geometry, lol

>>4986245
Middle

>>4986257
Probably just my phone it looks almost 3d when I look at it crazy stuff.

>>4986250
Where is that my friend?

>>4986149
rgbSCART and it will come with a travel case

Question I have a 8042 and a 8045 SONY PVM and I currently use the 8042 for 5th gen and below and the 8045 for the 6th gen and up. Should I be using the 8045 for every or is this setup good?

>>4986264
first level to the left, or one of the intro screens

I know it won't blend.

>>4986206
>Nice. Excellent tastes in display technology and politics.
Why thank you. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar, and a breath of fresh air in this stuffy environment.

that picture was a meme of a meme. The first Baker just happened to have his 4:3 dell CRT as the OP. I took a photo of his OP on my giant ass CRT, and from there the entire thread turned into /vr/ for a few hours. It was one of the more fun derailings....though in the ptg thread, it is off topic before it begins.

pic related.

>>4986283
You should be playing on a consumer slot mask :-)

I've been Stockholm syndrome'd into actually enjoying the raster cables on my trinitron

>>4986286

>>4986286

>>4986335
this is why tvout shaders exist

>>4986350
Are you saying it looks bad?

>>4986357
The blurry one is close to how it looks on my Genesis.

>>4986368
I wonder if maybe rgb is too clear for blending maybe I should make it s-video the way it was originally.

>>4986373
s-video wouldn't blend, it would just lower the quality. Composite and RF cause blur because they combine chroma (color) and luma (brightness) into the same signal. Don't worry about it if nothing is jarring you out of the game like pinstripes and checkerboards do for me.

I recently picked up a S-Video cable for my N64 but seems that my CRT TV doesn’t accept that format (it’s a PAL TV with a Scart connector that takes only Composite and RGB signals). Is there any workaround or I am cursed to see a blurry picture forever?

Have 2 CRT TVs around the house: A 14'' SHARP TV I use more frequently and a 21'' Philips TV just collecting dust. The SHARP TV is pretty decent, sharp as I like it, though it's a bitch to adjust some of its settings. However now I'd like to replace it with the Philips TV, and I remember that the only reason why I didn't really use it is because it was overall pretty blurry, no matter which settings for sharpness I used. Colors were just fine, though.

Is it worth, without much knowledge of electronics, opening that thing up and messing with it? Seems many adjustments are done with the CRT TV turned on, but I'm allergic to zappings like most people.

>>4987012
In my experience maximum sharpness looks like shit but if the thing is so blurry it's distracting you no matter what you do to the sharpness setting, it could be out of focus. In that case all you would need to do is open it up and locate the focus pot, it'll be a little screw/dial somewhere near the back that you just need to give a twist until the picture looks the way you want it. Pretty easy fix.

>>4986115
reminds me of the airport monitors displaying flight info

>>4986948
What the TV's got is what the TV's got. Installing your own s-video input would take some major technical know-how, so that's probably off the table. If it's blurriness you want to fix then an rgb mod of the n64 would help, but there are problems associated with it. I'd suggest reading up on that

>>4986115
Jelly, video wall is the dream

i posted this already in another thread

>>4987028

Usually it's on the flyback. 2 plastic screws, one is focus and one is overall voltage.

My CRT has a very slight screenburn of pic related. It's mainly visible on patches of one single colour. What can I do?

>>4988604
you can kind of try burning in the opposite.

Early PC games look terrible on anything that isn't a shadow mask CRT
Picture slightly related

>>4988634

>>4988620
What is "the opposite"?

>>4988620
>you can kind of try burning in the opposite.
Would you invert the colors with photo editor, and crank bright and contrast and let it on a few weeks?

>>4988681
this
>>4988646

>>4988698
how do i play ps2 on a hdtv

>>4988709
dont

>>4988719
no crt and i cant carry one if i buy one. guess if i get a small one i can carry it but wat do i get

>>4988634
you call solitaire "patience"?
that's probably a better name

>>4988726
find a 13/14 inch consumer CRT for cheap and just use composite
they're pretty light, mine feels like 10 lbs
or find an HDTV that takes component input and use that

>>4988728
The French called it patience
We just adopted the name

>>4988734
any reccomendations

I like my s-video Genesis

>>4988709
Use component cable, plug in the YPbPr, where possible run the game in 480p, 720p or 1080i modes. If using a TV without YPbPr in you can get a direct PS2 YPbPr to HDMI converter dongle.

>>4981138
>Keemstar uses a PVM and anally ravaged MundaneMatt
WTF I love Keem now

>>4986039
>threads
Gotcha covered.

>>4986039
Mint's story line was my favorite.

>>4988748
I'm quite partial to this line of 13" trinitrons

>>4989078
would this work https://www.amazon.ca/Converter-Adapter-Monitor-Supports-Display/dp/B07F371YX4/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534659424&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=ps2+to+hdmi&psc=1

>>4989283
tTOSHIBA CT-90256 is hdtv i have

>>4980567

This is a Sony KV3000 tv.

lots of find threads online, seems pretty desirable

>>4989294
CT-90256 is the remote, not the TV.

>>4980324
I just recently picked up a 32" Sony Trinitron. The only problem is, the stand I bought for it, stated to hold a max weight capacity of 250lbs but clearly, it's starting to bow. Any stand recommendations that will hold this beast? It's at least 150lbs.

>>4988748
Sony Trinitron 13FS100. It is 13", has comoponent, looks great, super light.

>>4980567
>510lb

>>4988645
Aperature grilles are inferior to shadow masks in every aspect. Sony fags just worship a brand name because it's popular

>>4989367
Toshiba 50HMX96 is the tv

>>4982218
Can you add 1440x1080 as a custom resolution?

>>4988645
so which one is which here?

>>4990179
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/180518/Toshiba-50hmx96.html

>>4990229
>>4990162
>>4988645
For those who wanna see them side by side, I don't know which is which desu

>>4988709
Just get a OSSC. Will never need a CRT again.

>>4989370
>Any stand recommendations that will hold this beast? It's at least 150lbs.
Do you have any consignment furniture places near you? Second hand or thrift shops as well. My brother uses a small dresser for his 36". Works really well, but there are plenty of options. Places like goodwill and salvation army you can get something for less then $30 easy. Bring screw drivers, a few wrenches and some allen keys just in case. Craigslist something local.

>>4989764
how the fuck do you move a 500 pound tv. Jesus god. Im the OP and I just got pic related the other week, and it is almost 200, and it much more awkward then it looks. It would have sat in the driveway all night if a friend of mine hadn't drove by. I hate calling people to ask for moving help on last minute. Getting it where I wanted required 2 people and a cart.

>>4990162
>Aperature grilles are inferior to shadow masks in every aspect.
I think its just a simple matter of opinion. Trinitrons do look great. No one can argue that.

>>4989370
add some L brackets to reinforce it or do what this guy did:

https://youtu.be/DVpoMQF3WOc

>>4990341
>ow the fuck do you move a 500 pound tv.
The smart way

>>4990270
Left is obviously the shadow mask. Regardless, I do believe it boils down to personal preference in regards to determining which one is better.

>>4990472
They're both dot triad shadow masks; The one on the left is just a considerably coarser, and presumably older set. The same distance covered on the left in ~12 groupings takes closer to 25 on the right

I want to use both RetroArch and GroovyMAME and I noticed that I have to choose between static and dynamic resolutions.

What would you recommend?
1. Dynamic resolutions, which work well with GroovyMAME, but I would have to use only super resolutions with fixed refresh rates of 60hz so RetroArch supports that shit
2. Static resolutions, which means I could use native resolutions in RetroArch without issues but GroovyMAME would have to work with what's available

>>4990554
which one is the super resolution?

>>4990665
2560 x anything

If I use a dynamic mode table method on vmmaker, it's going to generate a very limited number of resolutions. I'm not gonna have any PAL modelines because it takes only one modeline per resolution (so if I have for instance 320x224@50hz and 320x224@60hz it will only use the latter). GroovyMAME supports the dynamic functionality so it's not an issue, but RetroArch does not.

>>4990683
why not just use two different computers?

>>4988646
>What is "the opposite"?
I think this is a troll. As far as I know there's no good way to get rid of burn in.

>>4988726
A 19" is probably 40#, a 29" is probably 65# or so. This is a guess, but a 29" is very easily moved by two weakling adults or one chad. Get one with component then you can play anything pre-hdmi. If you want to play the rgb meme you can also get a retrotek converter to convert rgb to component.

>>4980324
Are CRT monitors better than TVs?

>>4991050

Sort of but it depends on what you want. Honestly a consumer tv with component is usually great. If you're talking computer monitors they are good but you have to have a way to hook them up. If you're talking pvm, they are good but you usually spend a fuckload of money to get them working and the hookups. They are not cheap and honestly are more for something to piss with than just for gaming. I like modding consoles and pissing with different technology so I got a PVM, but I usually play mostly on a 32" consumer tv set.

Dreamcast is pretty easy to hook up to a computer crt monitor.

Basically computer monitor or consumer set you will pay about $100 or less. PVM, by the time you're done getting cables, switchers and shit, you'll have $500-1000 in it or more depending on what you pay for the pvm. PVM=good, but more e-peen credit, consumer set=good but less e-peen points. You'll have to decide how much e-peen is worth to you.

Computer monitor crt are great in that you can easily emulate on them with a computer.

>>4991059
I meant compared to normal consumer CRT TVs.

I'm moving to college next year and since I already tend to emulate a lot of stuff I was thinking of buying a monitor but I don't know if it looks as good as a tv, I don't remember how my old monitors looked since I didn't really know about slot masks or whatever at the time.

>>4991071
I should add, I don't really like the way PVMs look so that's why I'm comparing to just normal tvs since I feel it looks prettier.

Is there any way to get my computer to display 240p?

>>4990683
>>4990709

So this? Pic related

went to a thrift store that actually does crts still. had about 12 sets in the back including a 16:9 rca. Thing is, everything is half off labor day so i could get a couple of sets for ~$10 including the 16:9. How meme is is a 16:9 crt? Is it even worth fooling with? It's probably a 27 inch if i had to guess. This thing weighs more than my 27 inch WEGA. I could barely lift it and i'm 210 lbs and not fat. There was some larger wood panel RCA and zeniths and curve screen late 90s 13" trinitron/vcr combo . I hate VCR combos because of muh aesthetic. I already have the flat screen wega but i have never tested guncons or zappers on it. someone tell me what to do so i can fight with my wife about it before labor day

So I have a PVM-14M2U and some of the buttons on the front don't respond that well. I am wondering if anyone has a picture of the H board of this model showing what type of buttons are on the board

Thanks.

>>4991059
PVMs seem like a giant meme to be honest. Unless you're absolutely loaded and can handle the dent to your wallet.

dot triad=aperture grille(depending on content)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>slot mask

>>4991071
>I meant compared to normal consumer CRT TVs.
Most retro systems will require some sort of converter to output from their native Component/composite/svideo/scart to whatever the monitor accepts...VGA etc. Emulating to a VGA monitor can look great too. If you get the right monitor, you could handle 640x640 @ 120hz...and it would look pretty impressive.

If you are just emulating, there are plenty of good reasons to use an lcd, though it makes the purist in me shudder. Space saving is one of them.

If you have the space, there is plenty of fun with native hardware on a crt television.

Pic related I just took. Its a wii running snes9x gx in native 240p with no filtering. It is a new generic Svideo, and I think it is crap. I have a OEM svideo coming from Japan-land sometime in the next few weeks. I just can't see this being svideo next to the N64 and how that looks through quality svideo cables.

>>4991050
If you have a CRT monitor, get yourself a RGB scart connector and see for yourself.

my geometry is so fucked and the service menu can't fix it

>>4993140
Flat screen crt I'm guessing?

Why is my HDMI to vga converter cutting out the image every few seconds

>>4993210
No, I'm not sure what's wrong with it. I think I need to adjust some of the pots in the back, I'm on a weenie PVM and probably need to do a raster adjustment or something.

>>4993298
Someone might be able to help if you post a grid.

>>4993216
Which converter, what source, what resolution+refresh, and are you using an external power supply, or just relying on the HDMI cable to supply it?

>>4993324
Portta hdmi to vga, tried from both my PC and my switch; I've tried both the 'factory' resolutions i.e. 1920x1080@60 and 1280x720@60, plus monitor-native resolutions like 1600x1200@75; I've tried it both HDMI and externally powered each to no avail. I'm fairly certain it is losing the image sync. I've tried 2 of each HDMI and vga cables also

>>4993354
Update: from my PS3 to a different crt monitor it is working fine 1080p w/ external dc power

is it safe/worthwhile to buy a CRT on ebay? I'm just worried that it's going to get dropped or the seller won't package it well. I'm not seeing anything good locally, and I'm willing to drop some decent cash on a quality TV from eBay, but I don't know how it will fair in the US postal system. Any of you guys buy online before?

>>4993415
I wouldn't do it. They are always massively overpriced and you can't try before you buy just in case it has fucked up issues. Better off waiting until something pops up on the usual sites locally. Just keep checking often and something is bound to show up eventually. Can even look at some of your local thrift stores if you haven't already, might get lucky.

>>4993394
Unrelated but the PS3 has a phenomenal DVD upscaler

>>4991597
Today I got my official remote, and was able to enter the factory service menu. All sorts of things were out of wack:

I had to hold down the remote, and press 9,8,7,6, ENTER in that order. I every option available, and a few that were out of order, but I set the unit back to factory per this sheet, and it looks amazing compared to before.


http://diagramas.diagramasde.com/televisores/LG%20Flat%20TV%20CA%20Manual%20de%20Servicio.pdf

It explains every option pretty good, what they do, and what factory settings would have been for every model. Mine was made in 2004, but this was accurate.

I am really looking forward to oem s-video cables now....Hopefully it helps with the red a bit. I have nephew & niece over, and between them, mine me and my wife the wii has been on all day. I did get some time to play sonic cd. The music is pretty damn good.

pic related is after fully changing settings, and there were quite a few that were way off. It looks like someone was trying something, but failed. I was able to squeeze the screen so it fit correctly.....Its not as good as a trinitron menu, but still very good for what it is.

>>4991267
Bumping this question

>>4990179
>50HMX96
Just use a component cable.

>>4993354
>>4993394
>>4993429
I've had the same issue before with the same device, but I think it may be an issue with the PS3.

This is entirely basless, but I think occasionally the handshake between the Portta and PS3 doesn't work correctly, so you get it dropping the connection from time to time. Haven't tested it, but power cycling it with connected could potentially solve it, but I have no idea. I've had it drop out every 5-10 minutes before, and then others it's ran for hours without a single issue.

PS3 on the FW is really really nice.

>>4993429
Looks great! Do you have a anti-glare film on it still? Sony makes a great tube no doubt. I have an fw900 and I can't wait until I totally give up on it and begin to use it for a DIY/mod. Arcade cab? (Pic unrelated).

>>4993738
Yes, I got 2 from a guy on LetGo, and this one happens to be almost like new. I'd rather have the antiglare still on it because the contrast and peak brightness is already phenomenal. Right now in trying to figure out if I can manage bringing it back to college with me, hence the DAC for my consoles.

>>4990341
>how the fuck do you move a 500 pound tv
Rent a dolly from Home Depot, or buy one used (they are very useful). Jesus Christ how do you people get anything done?

>>4993757
I feel like nobody in my city even knows what letgo is. Dead as shit for me.

>>4993757
>Yes, I got 2 from a guy on LetGo, and this one happens to be almost like new.
NICE. Keep the glare coating on until no longer possible. I have had mine for about 15 years, and the last time I moved (6 months ago) I had a belt on, and the latch scratched the anti-glare. I had to take the glare coat off. It was much too bright, and I had to re-calibrate it. If you still have the oem, keep it. There is replacement stuff, but it varies on how and what it does. It wasn't that long ago, and it honestly feels like a new monitor after all that. It was real simple to get off with no real effort.

I mean, in addition to a healthy scratch right where the crosshairs are, I tried to "buff it out". It doesn't work. Everyone on the internet who said so was correct. Protect that screen when you move it.

>>4993782
>Rent a dolly from Home Depot, or buy one used (they are very useful). Jesus Christ how do you people get anything done?

I have a contract with my employer and they provide 100% of the tools I need at work. This lets me get away driving some dopey compact car and having minimal tools. I bought a jeep one time so I could move a fish tank, but that doesn't help me get anything big into the house.

>>4993757
>hence the DAC for my consoles.

Oh, I forgot to add. I recently needed a full system upgrade. My phenom II & gtx 660 was not cutting it. For me the GTX 9XX series was the last with analog support officially. I ended up getting a used titan 6gb for next to nothing. Eventually ill get a 980ti, but I am at the point where I am done buying games. My habits have changed on the PC. I do like to play Shadows of Chernobyl from time to time, and like it running vsyncd.

>>4994339
>Shadow of Chernobyl

>>4994696
>Shadow of Chernobyl
>>4994696
Good dear god. I had to look at that to make sure it wasn't me. I don't think I have ever owned a white shirt. There is something magical about 90hz vsync.

>>4993428
The average person doesn't really know anything about technology, I don't see why it would be "safer" to buy from some yokel on craigslist who dug the thing out of his barn over someone on eBay who probably actually can test it and knows something about old electronics.

As far as I know, no thrift stores near me even accept CRTs anymore. Even if they did, it's the same problem. I doubt they'd let me test it in the store to any meaningful degree.

>>4994914
I've yet to see a decently priced crt on eBay. Like I said, if you want to massively overpay for something that could potentially have image issues be my guest. Most consumer crt's should be free or dirt cheap besides a very select few that are rare to begin with. All the thrift stores around here take crt's, your only other option is a recycling plant and they are more often miss than hit.

>>4994968
I mean, what you're saying is true. You can overpay for a CRT on eBay and get what you want but might face problems, or you can spend months scouring the local market for what you want to show up. Even if you wait for what you want locally, it still might have problems. I think if you do your research and find a good seller online you can find what you want for a price (it's not going to be cheap by any means). Hopefully it's been tested and everything but it might not be.

I don't doubt what you're saying, and I'm sure it's true. I'd just rather buy what I want than wait around for something to (hopefully) pop up locally...

>>4994995
A lot of the crt game is just waiting unfortunately. Unless you're willing to pay out the ass or drive long distances which many people do.

I got shocked by my CRT today while adjusting the raster switch on the A circuit board at the bottom of the set. I got no idea what I touched but it's annoying that the thing is down there in that compact area with all those pins and diodes precariously around it. Should I poke at it with a plastic screwdriver next time?

>>4995235
Jesus Christ dude kids have died doing shit like that.

>>4995242
Well the thing's not gonna unfuck itself. I mean really most of us don't have a myriad of options when it comes to decent CRT displays, learning to service them and accepting the risk that comes with it is an inevitability.

>>4991274

As an owner of a 20" PVM and 13" BVM I can say they are a meme. Don't get me wrong, they look good, but almost clinical. Consumer sets can look very good, if you like sharper images, console mods to rgb and a retrotek adapter can get you there, or s-video cables etc. but without being overly "clinical" looking.

I will say that dvd quality content, ps1/dc and non retro that outputs SD signals look damn good on PVM, but older games (like 8 and 16 bit) lose something on them.

>>4994968
>Most consumer crt's should be free or dirt cheap besides a very select few that are rare to begin with.
When I am hunting: Most CRTs are free or dirt cheap on craigslist. You save someone from possibly paying to have it hauled out. You can always ask for a picture of the date made and model number. Bring a friend. These things can get heavy. If you have any common sense, you can get something in better then average condition. Thick dust/dirt? Still where they were using it? POOL TABLES & BARS! Lots of good tvs are underused in these areas. If they are out with the junk in the garage, they are junk. Let it get warm, and crank bright & contrast. As it warms up, you can smell cat piss, or other gross stuff. If someone KNOWS what they are selling you, you probably don't want it. At this point, I always have X amount of CRT Tvs. In with the new, and out with the worst. Even a good picture of your worst TV plugged into a few "RETRO" systems will sell on craigslist for more then you paid...so long as the glass is clean, and you take good pictures of smash brothers(Gc), Zelda OoT (n64), and Doom or Quake in some format because you aren't just a dweeb. You are edgy, and so is your tv.

>>4995002
>A lot of the crt game is just waiting unfortunately
Surf the regular places every few weeks, and you will get something decent eventually. Make sure they take tvs in donation. You can always donate one back when you find a better one there.

>>4995254
>accepting the risk
You create your own conditions. Just some advice...get gloves, and some sort of ground on your work. Id hate to have you die and your mom to blame us. We couldn't blame other boards for that. At least protect yourself you goof.

Is a 9" PVM too small for general retro vidya? They seem to be kinda common and for a price I'm willing to pay but just not sure if it's going to be that bit too small.

>>4995494
If you've got a tablet, put that like 5 feet away from you and see if that's too small

>>4980324
console tv. s-video genesis

>>4995494
I would say so. It could potentially be decent for playing on a desk, but not for extended periods of time. The optimal beginner size is definitely 13". If you can sit pretty close to your set or play on a desk, it should not be bad at all. What's your location?

Pic related, my secondary /vr/ setup on my computer desk. When I don't wanna go sit at my main /vr/ rig, this works perfectly.

>>4995489
>Just some advice...get gloves, and some sort of ground on your work.
I was under the impression gloves were actually a risk factor because they increased the chances of contact with electrified bits, without the actual resistance to mitigate contact.

>>4995339
It's funny that most of the content you say looks good on a PVM/BVM is interlaced as that is the format they were specifically designed to display.

I own quite a few myself and honestly wouldn't recommend anything over 500tvl or so for progressive 15khz display (i.e. most retro gaming) a good SDTV with RGB or a low end pro monitor with coarser grille/mask is the sweet spot IMO.

>>4995494

It's honestly too small to game on comfortably. About the only thing it's nice for is playing gameboy games or similar. I mean, it's playable, but really tiny. Over a couple feet away (like computer monitor distance) and it's basically unusable. I mean, they are ok, but they are cheap for a reason, the size.

>>4995494
>Is a 9" PVM too small

>>4996458
>beginner size is definitely 13"
This^

>>4996458
>secondary /vr/ setup
I just got rid of a co-axial only 14ish inch model. Was nothing spectacular. I wish I hadn't . It would have been nice to test a scart mod on. My backup is a 20. Its just the right size, and you get good clarity. If I could find a 14" with component, I would probably change to one.


>>4996453
>console tv. s-video genesis
That is ultra-bad-ass. My brother just picked up a 36 inch, and is looking for the stand. I would never have guessed they console-ized it. Is it just speakers underneath? That looks incredible.....400+ pounds....

Consoles tvs have all the extras they can't cram into a plastic frame.

>>4996626
Thanks! Yeah, those are speakers. This is a 32" and it's at least 300 lbs. Took 6 of us to lug it upstairs.

>>4995235
>Should I poke at it with a plastic screwdriver next time?
And you weren’t already using one why?

At least you didn’t do something like tugging at the anode, so you can live to learn from your actions.

I have a few options for CRTs to get. There are some consumer models available for free on my local classifieds but I could also get a JVC Professional monitor for free as well. I'm planing to use component, mainly Do you have any opinions on what I should get?

>>4996724
If the pro monitor has RGB or component, go with that. Although some of the newer JVC monitors require expansion cards that could make it expensive to own.

>>4996730
I think It can take component but doesn't it need an adapter to plug it in at all?
Its a BM-H1300SU btw

>>4996739
Looks like it has native support for both RGB and component. You'd just need three of these.

>>4996730
you can get $70 dollar replica cards for jvc/panasonic on ebay now, making these jvcs a pretty good deal. Quality like a bvm but not with the sony meme pricing

>>4997208
Care to link to these replica cards?

>>4997212
https://www.ebay.com/sch/linuxbot3000/m.html

>>4997263
Damn, that's pretty cool. Wonder why nobody's done the same for BVMs, considering the demand for those cards would be a lot higher.

My PVM is arriving tomorrow! I'm very excited. SCART to BNC adapter arrived today.

It's just an 8" screen but I just wanted something small for my office.

>>4997263
That's pretty cool. I'd like it if they induced a back plate though.

>>4997279
What he said. Most likely though it seems these cards just add the ports onto the monitor and it does no real converting. Sony cards if you look at them have some IC's on them and I can't imagine they're easy to replicate.

>>4997279
The JVC/Panasonic/Ikegami cards are made up entirely of passive components; Stuff you can buy off the shelf and just toss together and it'll work.

The Sony cards at the bare minimum have some handshakes going back and forth for the monitor to actually okay it to pass stuff to it and the like.

The JVC card isn't even required if you don't care about proper buffering and the like. You can do the same exact sort of Jungle IC mod that a TV would need to the JVC sets. Needs a few resistors and for you to ground a couple pins to make it think it has a card connected, if I'm remembering correctly. The card is just a much more proper and technically "safer" way to do so.

>>4997330
we even have the JVC card cloning guide in the op

Is this worth a shit? I have a chance to get it for $75 but I have no idea what they are worth or if they are good for gaming.

>>4996724
>JVC Professional monitor for free as well
This.

If the consumer sets are free and you have room, they are nice to have too.

>>4998573
I'll be honest, they look bad. I would get it because it looks cool and it's a unique piece of history, but for gaming it's not a great idea. You would get burn in and the screen is just not as good as literally anything else at native resolution.

>>4998613

OK, thanks. I was hoping it would have a pretty good picture, for movies or gaming. I like the look but I'm kind of at the point of running out of room, so unless it had a stellar picture I think I'll pass. Thanks again!

How good is a Sony KV-40XBR700?

>>4998672
hd 1080i, therefore you lose the purpose of playing old games on a crt in the first place (native resolution)

>>4998680
Thank you

Ragu master Collector @ comfy.zone check him out.

>>4999139
dumbass

proper orientation

I don’t know what happen!

>>4999153
:^)

I wanna get a Pvm 2030
Yay or neigh?

>>4998573

Every one of those I saw 20 years ago when they were somewhat common, one of the colors would always be burned out

>>4999502
How accessible is it to you?

>>4999508
Not that far

>>4999518
You could probably find something like that for cheaper than 300 bucks. Maybe even free

>>4999624
Anything free wont be rgb ready and shit

>>4999518
Unless you REALLY want it for that aesthetic, a good bit too much money for that model. There are 2530s out there for about as much.

>buy PVM finally
>hook up hd retrovision cables

>wtf image is blurry and smeared. Very smudged and dark
>try regular CRT from goodwill
>nearly identical to pvm


>compare next to 4k TV with 240p via my receiver
>4k tv looks gorgeous and colorful

Why did /crt/ lie

Crts are fuzzy and messy

>>5000576
I like the fuzzy, messy look

>>4999518
price is fine, these people are in denial
it's definitely worth it if it's in good condition

Can anyone recommend speakers compatable with the pvm 2030?

>>5000576
pics?

>>5000576
sounds like you're fucking up

>>4999502
Nay. I own one and it's not worth it unless you can get it for like $200. You'll have more fun with a large consumer set if you can keep your collecting autism at bay.

should I go for it, lads?

>>5001593
hell no. wtf

>tfw every time I walk passed an opshop (kinda like a charity thrift shop here in ausfag land) literally 5 minutes down the road from me I see their security PVM perched near the roof

I've been tempted so many times to ask If I could buy it from them but don't know how to do it without looking weird

>>5001965
enjoy your burn in

>>5001965
>>5002096
This.

NEVER buy a security monitor.

Picked up that ebay pvm
Looks great but waiting on the scart to DB25 cable to come in

>>5002340
Also need to find speakers that can attach to it

>>5002340
>>5002341
LOL

>>5002340
I wish I wasn't poor. Oh well consumer sets for life.

>>5002340
>>5002341
grats dude. hope it's worth the investment
>>5002430
cringe
>>5002436
seriously don't worry about it. consumer sets can be excellent.

>>5000576
>I'm a dumb fucking mong who doesn't know how to adjust settings
Why do people feel the need to expose their stupidity on the Internet?

>>5002523
it is, got some apm speakers to go with it
saturn games gonna look choice

>>5002341
I never got into the pvmeme, but are they handles on that unit?

>>5003185
Yes
Like a square frame type of thing

>Want to upload the overlord intro off a VHS tape youtube because the low resolution & aspect ratio look cool
>Even with mono sound, & 20% of the screen cut off on each side youtube flags it & blocks it worldwide
How do I get around this? Would pointing an HD camera directly at a tube TV introduce enough interference to get past youtube's censors, or is it entirely down to the music? I'm tempted to borrow a friend's lumix G7 to see if that would work. At least scanlines would show up then, Thoughts?

>>4984193
I can only find car auctions and stuff for my local government. Is there some other search term I should be using besides "[city name] government auction"?

>>5003343
It's probably the song more than anything, my man

>>5003260
>Yes
>Like a square frame type of thing
That is pretty bad ass actually. I didn't realize that.

>>5002340
Welcome to the club homie, 2030s are the coolest

why is it so much harder to find desktop crts than pvms on craigslist when desktop crts were way more common

>>5003553
desktop CRTs just get thrown out since they aren't desirable for people playing super nintendo

>>5003508
Cool taste with Extermination and the Evil Dead.

is it possible to fiddle with resolution using an nvidia card and outputting to a jrok then to a 15khz crt or am I hallucinating? I could have sworn people were sayin they were doin it but maybe they were just outputting to crt monitors at 31khz, can I get some help here?

>>5003508
Did you have any geometry problems or anything needing fixing on yours

>>5003728
Haven't had to do any repairs, works perfectly. geometry over s-video and composite was fine for mine, never needed adjustment. picture over RGB would strangely left-shift the image and squash it a bit.

>>5003640
In theory, yes. In practice, probably not. Sometimes it just seems to work though. The process would be that you use the Nvidia Control Panel to create custom 15kHz resolutions, then use a VGA cable into what-have-you. The problem is that this works for some people, but not others. Probably works best on lower-end Nvidia cards, though some dude the other day said he was using a 970 to do it. Didn't work for me on a 980ti, or a 580, or an old 8800GT. The real problem is that no one seems to be able to say why it normally fails, and then for some people just works. The most plausible explanation is that windows won't allow you to set the modes even though they're in the list, and that a program like retroarch is able to override this, but that's pretty iffy if you ask me.

To connect VGA at 15kHz to a j-rok you would need to split out the signals yourself, probably. The j-rok would output composite & S-video & maybe component if you have that model. It should give a 1:1 conversion *we think*, no one has actually confirmed that.

If you have SCART or RGB, you don't want the j-rok, of course.

If you have an Nvidia card you want to try, before getting the jrok, try installing a 480i mode and then setting it in windows somehow **on a second monitor**. It will either show up flickery as fuck on your second LCD monitor, or more likely won't show up at all. Ideally you want the second case. IF you're really lucky the LCD will report not just Out of Range, but tell you the frequency. Either way you can go to the desktop on the visible monitor and check what the resolution is set to. If it says 640x480 but no picture has come up, you managed to set 15kHz 480i. If a picture comes up, and doesn't look flickery, and windows says it's 640x480, you''ve probably got 31kHz 480p - either you didn't install the resolution right, or, if you try a few times, your combination of hardware isn't going to work.

Does /vr/ have an opinion on Beovision CRTs?
I've heard they're high-end but not that sharp.

>>5003801
what are these 15khz resolutions? 2560 x 240?

>>5003640
Nvidia 900 series works, have heard 700 series users having it work too, old ones seem to reject anything under 31kHz. Getting 480i to work can be a real pain.

>>5003914 2560x240 or anything really wide horizontally is handy for doing emulation of multiple systems without having to worry about scaling errors with whatever native resolution the system had. Can just set 320x240 or 256x240 or whatever you want too.

>>5003814
Great sound quality and input options, look pretty but have ordinary picture quality.

They use short neck Philips tubes so have no convergence rings to adjust if they drift out of spec.

>>4982191
If you really love retrogames in his original form nothing of those things matter.

>>5004078
Arcade fighters should be played on slot mask tubes. Cabinets don't have Trinitrons.

>>5004105
I play on the best option available, Im not the fucking Last Gamer lol.

>>5004115
Late slot masks look better tho

>>5004078
That's a nice CRT, what is it?

>>5004117
I bet that but I can't buy everything that I want for the time being but I got 2 good CRT TV'S:
LG FLATRON and a SONY WEGA, both of 21"

>>5004119
says on the front, Sony KX-14CP1 . Also very similar are the PVM-1390 and one with TV tuner the KV-1311CR

>>5004119
The model number is literally printed on it in clear view.

>>5004119
Sony monitor KX-14CP1 (not my photo)

Is this an issue that could be fixed with Degaussing? Or is this panel fucked?

>>5004119
some no good not very special trinitron i got for cheapo

just paid $120 for an 8045Q pvm, lads
>inb4 8" too small
it will sit on my desk and I will love it

>>5004436
I'd pay no more than 40 for that. You could have gotten a far better 13" panasonic instead.

>>5000576
>know nothing about TVs
>spend money without doing research
>cry that old TVs are bad because you don't know how to hook up a nintendo

>>5004441
Comparable Panasonics are around the same price, plus I prefer the look of the Sony/
13" is too big for my desk, this was reasonable enough. And this is a model that supports 480p so it will play nicer with more modern setups (as opposed to just 200 lines/480i)

>>5004607
Why would you use a CRT for anything past 6th gen / Wii

>>5004610
By "more modern" I meant mostly up to Wii. Plus I use my PS3 as an emulator for older systems, granted it supports 480i as well but eh.

>>5004617
For Wii, if you're planning on using virtual console, it's more convenient to leave it at 480i anyways so you can set it to 240p

>>5004436
>>5004607
>8045q
>480p
AHAHAHAHAHA no

Last year I picked up fifteen BVM-D9H5Us for less than you paid and they DO support 480p (as well as 720p and 1080i).

>>5004436
8" too small

>>5004409
Have you tried?

>>5004423
Yours has no model number on it where the one in the other picture does. Is it different in some other way?

>>5004896
Mine is the PVM variant with BNC inputs instead of RCA. It's a PVM-1390.

>>5004952
KX is better for gaming tbqh.

>>5004959
Easier plug and play for SCART cables, but the PVM variant gives you S-Video for the stuff that won't do RGB, which is nice.

>>5004970
That only really concerns the N64 and 3DO really though, if we're being honest.

Is $120 too much for a PVM-8041Q in good condition? What's a good price?

How many posts until a thread auto-closes? Op here ready to bake another if necessary.

>>5005013
$50 is a reasonable price for any RGB monitor that size. $100+ is 14" territory.

>>5004959
sure but I just use rgb anyway so it doesn't matter. It's not some amazing monitor, it's pretty low on my list of ones I would use on the spot. I just got it cuz it was cheap and looked cool.

>>5005012
GC as well, if you're dealing with NTSC hardware. Stuck transcoding (either from the expensive cable or Wii) or forcing RGB on the Wii otherwise.

>>5005030
500

>>5005037
Thanks anon, I retracted my offer. I'd hate to be one of those guys that encourages extortionist prices like that, thanks for the save.

What are some good 14-20 inch consumer sets that would be worth keeping an eye out for?

>>5004441
>You could have gotten a far better 13" panasonic instead.
Not him, but what 13" Panasonic models are you thinking of when you say that?

>>5005203
SONY, LG and Samsung the not curved ones, but don't pay more than 25 bucks.

>>5005030
Can you make it a prison edition with clear tvs? I've never seen this on a crt thread before.