/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5000753
it's too long, though.
::baby mario cries in background::

Yoshi's Island is average at best

>>5000787
you are wrong.

>>5000787
in what way?
>great aesthetics
>great music
>great gameplay
>decent story

>>5000801
>>decent story

>>5000808
meh, it's bearable, all I need in a game like YI where the game isn't so story focused

I'd rather play Captain Novolin than Yoshi's Island.

>>5000801
>great aesthetics
some areas are cool but it's just not my favorite

>great music
true

>great gameplay
this is the sticking point, the egg throwing, air walking and other primary elements of the game just aren't that exciting imo, it's fine as an alternative to traditional platforming but I wouldn't call it the best ever, no way

>decent story
I guess it's fun to have something besides the normal kidnapping plot but it ultimately doesn't add much for me..

The Super Mario World 2 title makes me like Yoshi's Island a bit less because I didn't play it until recently and always thought it would be a continuation of the obvious answer for the best SNES game

>>5000753
Probably because it's Super Metroid.

>>5000753
Donkey Kong Country ;)

>>5000753
Final Fantasy VI

i'm saddened by all these pleb opinions. as for the best snes games, it's holy umbrella: dondera no mubo, of course.

WAAAAAH
WAAAAAH
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

1. DKC2
2. Link to the Past
3. Super Metroid
4. Mega Man 7
5. Yoshi’s Island

Would be my top five

>>5000991
Get good.

Sutte Hakkun is my personal favorite.

Super Mario Kart

>>5000828
>the egg throwing, air walking and other primary elements of the game just aren't that exciting
The movement mechanics have an insane level of depth for a 2d game and are by far the most fun part of the game.
> it's fine as an alternative to traditional platforming
By traditional platforming you mean holding right and jumping? Thanks fuck this game decided to expand on that troglodyte tier shit.

>>5000753

DKC2

this will sound gay but i was ecstatic when i first played yoshi's island. i loved smw and yi was just... this incredibly elegant variation on it, just every little detail was lovely - the way each stage looked, the music, the reworked designs of the shyguys and koopas, the new enemies, the gimmicks like the chomps descending from the sky and chomping down the ground, the new moves like yoshi's double jump, the sound effects, everything, it was pure bliss.

>>5000753
you mean the best looking game, not best game

>>5000828
The Super Mario World 2 was tacked on because Americans can’t appreciate non sequels. It was just “Yoshi’s Island” with Japan. Sorry, I meant YOSSY ISLAND.

yoshi island > smw

Because it’s got specialized chips so the SNES is literally more powerful than any other game while playing It

>>5002171
Well, duh.

A perfect way to wrap up a fantastic console's life

>>5002226
>Not Kirby‘s Dream Land 3

>>5001920
It was also the best game, obviously.

>>5002237
KDL3 is garbage.

>>5002246
How come?

I can’t really choose a single game as the best game on the SNES desu But my top 5 would be Super Castlevania 4, Donkey Kong Country 2, Earthbound, Chrono Trigger and Super Mario World

>>5002237
Kirby is only good on handhelds.

>>5001138
Super Mario Kart is a broken piece of shit.

>>5002287
Wrong superstar was the bat Kirby game ever made. And it’s on the SNES

>>5002287
>>5002337
Kirby's Adventure is the best game in the series by a wide margin.

>>5002345
No, I disagree. it’s the second best. Superstar is first.

>>5002347

kirby's dream course

Canvas Curse is the best Kirby game

>>5001138
actually is the worst Mario Kart.

>>5000753
What is x and why is it Y. Come on rv you're better than this.

>>5000801
The platforming is piss-easy to non-existent though. I wanted to like this game, but I got bored not even half way through and moved on to something else.

Yoshi's Island is gorgeous to look at, pleasant to hear, and all the effort put into it, including the charming variety of enemies, good minigames and well put together leveldesign is simply amazing.

The problem that it's really hard to play, to get 100% (which is really emphasized by the devs) is just a chore, and kills the gameplay's dynamics. Especially the red coins are awful, especially considering some of them can be permanently lost.

Overall, a very charming experience, but more for it's awesome audiovisual value, not for it's gameplay.

>>5000753
To me would have to be Final Fantasy VI, but that may only be because it's a game that I grew up with. If I really have to think hard, it will have to be Chrono Trigger.

>>5000753
Nintendo's artistic peak.

>>5001920
SMRPG and Super Metroid are both better looking for me but I can see how you can make a really strong case for YI

>>5003975
>some of them can be permanently lost.
no they can't, just restart the level lmao

>>5003975
>Overall, a very charming experience, but more for it's awesome audiovisual value, not for it's gameplay.
It has the most deep and complex gameplay mechanics in any 2d platformer up to its date of release, with the exception of maybe Super Metroid.

Why are you people all so retarded?

Come say "hi" at the official YI Discord.

https://discord
(DOT)
gg/9pJybnw

>>5004595
>a discord dedicated to a singular game
sounds awful

Yoshi's Island is a great game.

My top picks for SNES are DKC 2, King of Dragons, and Super Star Wars, though.

Theres a mod that gets rid of the baby crying and turns the counter more into a hit point system. I actually enjoyed it a lot.

>>5004675

The annoying crying is your punishment for getting hit, I never understood the hatred for it. Also one of the reasons why I like YI so much is exactly BECAUSE of the pretty unique hit system with the bubble, not ANOTHER hitpoint based system, geee I haven't seen enough of that already...

>>5004742

Also, when you're a small child, losing Mario and trying frantically to get him back is a little nerve-wrecking. Being at one hitpoint doesn't have the same effect.

>>5004742
>>5004749
I absolutely understand that being getting annoyed is supposed to be apart of the punishment. That's why the mod exists because most people don't like getting annoyed as negative reinforcement. Dying and losing progress should be enough.

That said you can have it being nerve wrecking at one hit point with having the same intense music start to play. One hit point with an alarm going off is pretty standard.

>>5004846
this is a good point
having half a heart in zelda for 10 minutes is worse than listening to baby mario cry for 10 seconds

I think Yoshi's Island is good, but I don't get the people who worship it. Everything about it is fine, but I think the pace is too slow and deliberate for it to be in the pantheon of sidescrolling-platform games. But, I think some people like that, it's not necessarily better or worse.

>>5004742
I don't think that's why the crying is there, though. I don't think the Masterminds were sitting around in a conference room with a diagram of the human brain saying shit like, "How can we condition the player to Not Want to Lose? Ah, the baby will cry."

>>5004863
>I don't think the Masterminds were sitting around in a conference room with a diagram of the human brain saying shit like
I actually would be more surprised if game developers don't consider the human condition when creating game concepts. Probably isn't as pretentious as you're making it sound, but game theory isn't exactly new.

>>5004875
Still, this is mind-reading. It's just some guy's inchoate rationalization that keeps getting repeated. Let's not give credit where it isn't due without developer interviews to back it up or something.

>>5004863

No, anon, the noise is intended to be annoying, there's no reason to put it in the game except for that.

>>5004880
Its a very logical thing to deduce, though. Games are always trying to discourage you from doing wrong and encourage you to do right. Earlier games they discouraged you from being hit by losing your power up or dying if you did not have a powerup. Losing a powerup can be pretty detrimental to your progress in the long run because you might not have your feather to fly up the secret area now. But this mechanic did not exist in Yoshi's Island. So to discourage you from being hit, they a short term annoyance of having to stop what you're doing to grab the baby and getting annoyed by the crying until you grab the baby.

>>5004894
Right, but it's not meant to "punish" you, it's just a glorified "you got hit/are low on health" alert.

>>5004907

That IS a punishment.

Anon, a punishment is meant to inform you that you're doing something wrong. That it is annoying is intentional and that is in fact a punishment.

Just because the game doesn't outright kill you doesn't mean you aren't being punished.

>>5004907
The crying baby being annoying is important because it discourages you from just trying to wait until the very end to get the baby since the counter always resets to a minimum of 10. Overall it is a lot easier to stay alive in Yoshi's Island because of that reset, so they want to discourage people from abusing that.

>>5004906
>>5004908
It's just a health bar, and every enemy inflicts poison on you. Touching the baby reverses the effect of the poison.

Consequences are not the same thing as punishments. If anything, the baby crying is a natural asset because it lets you know you're about to lose. This is the same reason that pain is a good thing, because people who clinically can't feel pain are at greater risk of severe injury or death. But when you feel pain, nature is not punishing you, because nature doesn't know who was at fault. Conversely, if you -don't- get hit, this is not a reward, it's inherently neutral.

just don't get hit idiot

Don't know if it's the best but it has one of the most hype final boss battles. This shit would put me into a state of panic as a kid.

>>5006463
this final battle is a work of art.

When I played it in my early teens I thought it was clearly the best platformer ever made. I made sure to get 100% on everything.

Playing it again recently I found it rather boring, though I didn't make it through the first world. But my attention span is much shorter now and I don't get into games as easily as I used to back then.

I don't know if it's the best platformer ever. But it's probably safe to say it's Nintendo's best platformer. Either this or Donkey Kong '94.

>>5000000

>>5006463
the music in the game was just too good, really pumped you up
like, play this while playing any game with a innocent boss battle, it just so amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q--ywLM84Ng

>>5007693
deep

>>5007693
fucking /v/ stealing our GETs

>>5004863
>I don't think the Masterminds were sitting around in a conference room with a diagram of the human brain saying shit like, "How can we condition the player to Not Want to Lose? Ah, the baby will cry."
It's not like the picture you painted, but game designers definitely do think this way. Certainly Japanese ones, and especially Nintendo creatives. Ever read interviews where they talk about inspiration for certain games or game mechanics?

>>5000886
is that translated?

>>5008598
I never disliked baby Mario's crying. It was an interesting aesthetic choice. It's "annoying", but it's not annoying. I get the feeling people complain about it for the same reason they complain about frame rate drops: because they hear other people complain about it.

>>5000753
This game is literally a piece of dog asshole

>>5011436
A pretty damn kino dog's asshole.

>>5004924
Getting hit by an enemy is a non desirable action, and so they impose the consequence for this action to having a limited time to get the baby back that is too annoying to just leave alone to the last second.

The count down timer is the natural asset that objectively tells you how much time you have with numbers getting red and big as time runs out, not the baby crying. A baby crying is supposed to be irritating and non desirable thing which is why they cry in real life so they can get attention, and why so many parents have sleepless nights and complain about babies crying when they go into work.

>>5000753
That's not Frontmission: Project Gun Hazard though