/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4988757
>fanmade writing
>good idea
Generally no.

You know for a fact that his OC do NUT STEAL would be the edgyist of edgelords that could beat Sephiroth one handed. He gets all the bitch's and is just a self insert for this autistic child.This would be the My Immortal for FF7.

Well, let's follow the likely train of thought here. Why does Cait Sith exist? Because it's a JRPG and JRPGs have silly things in them. Did they know Cait Sith made no sense from a practical standpoint? Probably. I guess that was part of the point, right? The comic relief character is the traitor, who knew?

But let's say you don't accept that. Although there's plenty of fantasy elements in FF7 and other silly segments, Cait Sith is probably the one thing that truly can break your suspension of disbelief, both in a visceral sense and logistically.

So, let's take him out. But no, oops, Cait Sith is actually integral to the plot in a few places. So it's either truncate huge parts of the Black Materia storyline, or replace him with something a little more grounded but functionally identical.

Now, why this guy's mind went to "Iscar Matthias" is beyond me. To me, the most elegant solution would just have been to make it a heavily disguised Reeve with a comically altered name, then just do a very minimal rewrite at the end of the Temple of the Ancients maybe.

So no, it wasn't a good idea, but I see how he got there.

Cait Sith is great because of that fake out in the temple, where he dies, and a replacement just comes bouncing up, "Hi, I'm Cait Sith 2!"

>>4988868
>
Now, why this guy's mind went to "Iscar Matthias" is beyond me. To me, the most elegant solution would just have been to make it a heavily disguised Reeve with a comically altered name, then just do a very minimal rewrite at the end of the Temple of the Ancients maybe.

But how will he have his OC DO NUT STEAL be epic and such? I for one wanted to see Iscar headbutt Meteor in to the sun while a guitar riff was blazing then him making out with Tifa and bringing Aerith back from the dead just with his powers as a secret Cetra.

>>4988903
cringe

I wish art of Iscar would've been released. I wanted to see how edgy he would look.

>replace least favorite character with OC
no

>>4988912
I can imagine. Think Zack with purple streaks in his hair, clouds emo phase attitude and 15 mile long sword. All the girls love him and suck his dick as soon as they see him. All the guys cry in his presence and all start cutting their wrists.

>duurrr edgy hurr
fuck off caitfags

>>4988926
Sweetie, no matter how you spin it, Iscar Matthias is edgy as fuck.

>>4988912
I actually just imagine another Vincent.

>>4988930
No doubt from me about that.
Just the fucking name shows what type of shit he was going to write till it got laughed out of the thread. Themed names are such a fucking silly thing to do. Because like with all self insert characters no other person in that world has a name like it. Other than Sephiroth in this case and it could be argued his name is out of step with others because he was an experiment. Hence not a natural part of the world.

>Game called Final Fantasy has some dumb fantastical shit in it
Wow

>>4988947
Yeah, it's like if they gave a conflicted character the last name "Strife" or something.

>>4988958
Sure. But i saw no characters named Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way. So it is okay for me to put it in?

>>4988962
we get it, iscar is goofy

>>4988947
>>4988962
Like it or not the game already has a character whose name is from Judaism so I don't see how using a biblical name is that much of a problem.

>>4988967
t.DLPB
Look your edgy OC was laughed at for a reason.
>>4988969
Not much of one for just the name, but we can all tell what he wanted to do with it.
>But how will he have his OC DO NUT STEAL be epic and such? I for one wanted to see Iscar headbutt Meteor in to the sun while a guitar riff was blazing then him making out with Tifa and bringing Aerith back from the dead just with his powers as a secret Cetra.

>>4988958
Strife is a real last name m8.
How many guys have you walked in to with the name Sephiroth?

>>4988986
It's a real last name in the sense that you can probably find someone with it. Was that why it was chosen, no.

>>4988998
So tell us. What would Iscar have been like? What would he have brought to the FF7 game? Other than OC edgy shit.

>>4989006
I don't really get why you're so... rabid? Everyone in this thread is in agreement that the Iscar thing is stupid. You don't have to go full force on it. This is like when you're in a circle of friends and you're all poking fun at someone and one dude just takes it way too far. Or that one dude who has to keep reminding everyone of how not gay he is

>>4989012
>Is this mad i am mocking his shit OC

>>4988757
Cait Sith is a brilliant character and shouldn't be removed.

>>4989045
bigger

>>4989045
true

I think it would have been hilarious.

>>4988757
>replace goofy comic relief character with edgelord OC donutsteel

Thanks but no thanks.

>Is putting an OC in final fantasy 7 a good idea
What do you think, OP?

The only acceptable replacement is Reeve wearing a false moustache and calling himself Mr. Eveer.

>>4989581
Because it worked out SO well last time.

>>4989597
This, or a literal combat robot with a Shin-Ra logo emblazed on the front. It's seem as part of the Shina-Ra military parade in Junon earlier in the game. The Turks just give it to you at Golden Saucer with an unconvincing argument that it's 'defective' and its's totally not recording everything around it.

Always thought Cait should be able to call a airstrike or artillery as a limit break since presumably everyone would know it was controlled by a double-agent Shina-Ra executive. You'd think he'd have pull to do that.

Cait Sith? Whatabout Doag Jedi? or things of that nature

How could someone hate Cait Sith that much? He's a animatronic stuffed cat/moogle with some of the best limit breaks in the game.

Stupid shit like Cait Sith is what makes FF7 so great. Its a colorful, cartoony game that still manages to have a cool, engrossing story. Apparently no one realizes this, since every single cash-in on this amazing game is a dull, washed out, dreary, edgelord experience.

>>4990109
I blame Nomura and Advent Children. The remake is going to be grimdark hell.

>>4990109
This but with my blessing.

>>4988757
>The character has no logical or believable reason to join your party
Reeve wanted to spy Avalanche.

>or be allowed to join it.
Yuffie also joined avalanche when she shouldn't have been allowed to begin with. They didn't know cait sith it was a robot controlled by shinra. For them, cait sith was just a goofy robot that worked at gold saucer and that's it.

>The idea that Reeve, a top executive for Shin-Ra, could or would remote control a toy robot cat mounted on top of a stuffed white toy as a tool for espionage, is ridiculous.
Reeve showed signs of having second thoughts waaaaay back when you were in midgar. In fact, Reeve still helps the shinra but at the same time is curious about you. The idea it isn't ridiculous, you see worse shit in FF7 and you are ok with it


And finally, who the fuck told you cait sith is a "comic relief character"? maybe at the beginning when you didn't know he was reeve he acted silly for obvious reasons, but then he was serious enough and an important part of the plot.
In fact Aeris, Barret, Cid and Yuffie were more comic relief than cait sith over the entire game.

Careful guys don't mock the character to much or else you may hurt>>4989012 his feelings.

>>4990217
Not to mention this >>4989048
Cait Sith comes equipped with the manipulate materia, giving another reason he was able to force himself into your party.

>>4988769
Always no

>>4990217
>Reeve showed signs of having second thoughts waaaaay back when you were in midgar. In fact, Reeve still helps the shinra but at the same time is curious about you. The idea it isn't ridiculous, you see worse shit in FF7 and you are ok with it

It's not ridiculous in terms of motivations, it's ridiculous in terms of sci-fi/fantasy liberties. Magic and advanced tech are fine, but there has to be some internal consistency. The existence of Cait Sith is basically asking you not to ask questions because you can go down a very stupid rabbit hole if you do.

We had a thread about it a while back. It's established that Cait Sith isn't just "magic," Reeve gives orders to the moogle through the microphone. So why is Shinra able to create such advanced robots, yet it must be controlled through crude voice commands? How precise and complex is this recognition? Why does changing the megaphone increase combat ability? Are the cybernetics so lifelike that the party thought these were benign magical creatures and that there was just no harm in letting it come along? If not, why did they? Why does no one acknowledge it either way? If they're being "Manipulated," why does the magic eventually wear off? Is the cat also a robot, or is it a real magical cat? Why is it necessary to the equation; why does there have to be a middleman from Reeve to moogle? How does Reeve have time to live his actual life and do Cait Sith 24/7, does it have an autopilot? Who created this ridiculously sophisticated setup and why is it not being used for other things?

The answer being that Square just can't write, they could have gotten away with just saying Reeve "controls a moogle/cat with materia!" but no, they had to give answers that just raise more questions. And this is forgiving that >>4988868 >>4989597 would have been infinitely more plausible and charmingly silly.

>>4990710
nothing in jrpgs makes sense, and therein lies their glory.

>>4988868
He was present in the Golden Saucer section. Imagine tweety or mickey mouse joining your party. Just a weird guy/animatronics that was sort of fun to have around.
I hated this guys' guts but at least he isn't aerith.

>>4990716
>but at least he isn't aerith

what are you talking about

>>4990716
But other things in FF7 have the pretense of making sense, and therein lies the problem. If I’m meant to write off Cait Sith as a comic aside, then I also choose to reject any part of the story that it’s tied to.

This is the same reason people hated Jar Jar Binks. It’s one thing to make a silly character, but when you make that character necessary to the plot, you’re forcing the audience to validate it.

>>4990727
Aerith was good as a white mage but absolutely had no use to the gameplay. She was a narrative device, not a valid member for the party. Any and all hours spent on developing her go to waste at the end of disc one.

>>4990732
>Any and all hours spent on developing her go to waste at the end of disc one.

yeah, feels just like losing a loved one, that's the brilliance of it.

If you're gonna go that far, it would be easier to just add a scene where Shinra/AVALANCHE grill Reeve on why he picked a cat riding a Moogle as his disguise.

>>4990739
>doubt

>>4988757
i made it about 15 words in
awful. the more obnoxious character is aries, and it's a GOOD THING SHE DIES ON THE FIRST DISC, fuck i hat eher

>>4988757
FF7 is a shit game destroyed by annoying random battles and does so many silly things it comes off as a parody of the genre.

aeris is unironically one of the best characters in all final fantasies.

>>4988757
>Iscar Matthias. Iscar is from Judus Iscariot, and Matthias was the apostle chosen to replace him


Yer kidding right?

>>4990724
>Imagine tweety or mickey mouse joining your party.

Or Donald or Goofy. That'd never catch on.

>>4991656
The heavy handed 2deep4u name is the most on point quality of this whole shit show

>>4991693
Undoubtedly.

>>4991693

When I write names are always the hardest part to come up with. You want something catchy and meaningful but at the same time, just yikes.

>>4988757
A good idea would be to keep CAit Sith in and actually rework dialog and/or content to give him more depth or seem less annoying/odd. That would tell you the modder actual cares about the product and wants it to be better

What this fag is doing is seizing the opportunity to fill in his "amazing" OC in hopes it gets him attention.

>new human character called Iscar Matthias. Iscar is from Jud
Stopped reading here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMm4SABOmHg

>>4989609
Just a few more belts and there would not have been any issue with Genasis.

>>4989609

For the life of me I do not understand how this Genesis and extended FF7 shit got so out of control.

>>4988757
No. Double-dealing, Moogle-riding robo-cat is awesome.

>>4988757
I love the salt from Johnny-come-lately FFVII fans who finally play the game and realize that it's actually often corny and silly and full of plot holes and not the edgy angst-fest that most of the casual fandom would have you believe. I feel like Advent Children overrode people's memories of the actual game, or something.

>>4991923
it's the true form of geostigma

>>4991923
>>4991949
Is there any other game that has such a weird fandom rift? In fact, isn't the phenomenon so well-known that there's an actual word for all the fans of FFVII that haven't actually played the game? There's such a huge subculture surrounding the game that people are actually fans of the culture instead of the game itself.

>>4989048
I never picked up on that.

Wouldn't it have been great if materia had out-of-battle effects?

>>4991660
That was my point exactly, adding that in FF7 it makes perfect sense for it to be "disguised" as a mascot.

>>4992096
There are Chocobo lure, enemy lure and enemy away, though their effects are still related to battle.
What could they even add in terms of such effects? Like, requiring a fire materia to melt some ice? Or equipping an ice materia so you can walk through a hot room?

>>4991727
Now the question is who the fuck are you, son.

Also, LE MEANINGFUL NAME was stupidly done by J.K. Rowling. When I was reading the books I researched the names and thought "well, bad luck that the Lupin family member who is pregnant happens to be bitten by a werewolf. But naming your soon-to-be-born werewolf-son "Remus" is just being a dick".
Ask yourself: why would ANYBODY name his child a combination of those things. Imagine growing up as Hugh, last name Mungus. What a wild fucking ride.

>>4992127
Or having manipulate to get goodies cheaper in stores; or x4 to get four potions for the price of one (and actually have a reaction from the clerk); or be able to traverse the world map faster, just off the top of my head.

>>4992132
In the case of manipulate, I didn't come up with anything because there are no dialogue choices depending on a "persuasion" stat or something. But thinking about it that's not really needed.
>x4 to get four potions for the price of one (and actually have a reaction from the clerk)
Seems game breaking even late into the game unless it's just for the cheap low-level stuff. But that idea made me chuckle.

Hye, since Cloud used to be a Shin-Ra soldier/ guard, shouldn't at least ONE soldier recognize him? All those military people in Junon, you'd think one would see him TV or running around retarded.

Then again, they never recognize Barrett even though he's a huge black dude with a machine-gun arm that leads a terrorist organization.

>>4991757
Because no one making FF7 spin-offs understood the tone or aesthetic of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if no one involved in any of them even played the game.

>>4992298
How would they recognise him? They all look the same

>>4992375
Presumably they see their comrades without helmets on occasion.

>>4992423
It's the Clark Kent parable; any dude that might have recognized Cloud would probably have just thought, "hey, that dude looks kind of like Cloud", since I'm willing to bet that most of the soldiers that Cloud new were not particularly close friends with him.

>>4992423
I assume the Shinra army is pretty large, it wouldn't be surprising if nobody there recognized a former random grunt. It's not like everybody in the US army know each other either.

>>4991923
What plot holes exist in the original game, correctly translated? I'm excluding the movie and other junk.

>>4992624
Tifa and Cloud both having the same false memories of the Nibelheim incident. Cloud has PTSD as an excuse since he saw the worst of it, Tifa certainly does not.

>>4992654
It isn't a plothole. Later in the game, during the true story reveal, Tifa said that Cloud's original story was wrong but she didn't say anything about it at the time because she was confused.

>>4992654
did you not play the game? they don't have the same false memories. i think you might be retarded.

>>4992654
Wrong.
>>4992674
Is correct. She was confused and concerned I think, and wanted to figure out what was going on with Cloud. So, she just played along.

I only played the game with the BEACAUSE re-translation patch, but it seemed well contained and wrapped up by the end.

>>4992687
Original translation is bad at conveying the uncertainty the original story causes, but it clearly states during the final reveal that Cloud and Tifa were childhood friends, Cloud's story of the destruction of Nibelheim didn't happen like he said it happened, but Tifa didn't contradict him. The last time Tifa saw Cloud before she found him at the trainstop was their visit where he tells her he's going to join SOLDIER.

>>4992128
>Imagine growing up as Hugh, last name Mungus. What a wild fucking ride.

Ladies

I always throw a grenade item at the dragon enemy Sephiroth murders during that cutscene where their Shinra truck bumps into it. Seems appropriate.

>>4991923
I'm so glad I originally played FF7 as a child.

I just took the goofy shit and the edgy shit the game had in it as it came without constantly questioning it and had a magical experience.

>>4992086

Theyr'e fans of Advent Children, Kingdom Hearts, and other games, but have no interst in actual FF7. I'm the exact opposite. I only like the original game, and that's it.

>>4992371
>Because no one making FF7 spin-offs understood the tone or aesthetic of the game. I wouldn't be surprised if no one involved in any of them even played the game.

Nomura was in charge of most of the spin offs. Somehow he doesn't get the game at all. He makes Nomura style games, that's it

>>4993384
>>4993392

Where oh where is my washout dork who got sick and said shit like "Let's mosey"

>>4993384
I like the original game because its very similar to Final Fantasy 6, another game I love. I hate the spinoff shit, because its like post FFX Squaresoft, which is garbage.

>>4993263
Same here. Also, I used to take my playstation to sleepovers at grandma's house and played to exhaustion in a dark room. Really enhanced the game's dark atmosphere all through the Midgard section.