/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4982246
Was that the one with the Loop and the flat cow on the first level?

>>4982261
Nevermind that was Hard Drivin'

>>4982246
Heh, epic pwn my fellow hardcore gamer. It truly is amazing how many people on this board have yet to realize that everything Nintendo does, Sega does better. They aren’t the intellectuals like you or I. *chuckles softly*
Why are Nintentoddlers allowed on this board? They're a fucking embarrassment and make real mature gamers like me look bad for even occupying the same board as me.

>b-but Nintendo excelled at making platformers!

Bullshit, Nintendo didn't excel at one god damn thing. I take that back, actually. They excel at one thing. Nintendo excels at being for bing bing wahoo babies and manchildren who run away when they see blood because they are immature babyfags and can't handle a deep, dark, serious game like I can. Sega and Sony had games that reflected the inner darkness of my soul from having two Christmases since my parents were divorced, while Nintendo did kiddy shit because nintentoddlers are fucking babies who never had to rough it in high school like real people, like me, who had to deal with bullies and preppy douchebags since they didn't understand my real power...

>>4982246
agreed, but I'd still pretty much never play the genny version over the 32X version.

Were there other ports? Kind of want to see the arcade original given its full glory.

>>4982297
This is going in my pasta pot

>>4982303

PS2 had a port on their Sega Ages volumes, I hear it's supposed to be really good but I haven't tried it.
The 32X version is a masterpiece and singlehandedly justifies the existence of that console, IMO. Space Harrier, Afterburner and Virtua Fighter are also great ports on 32X, but VRD is straight up superior to the arcade with smoother controls and new tracks. The only real flaw is the lack of any saving feature, but I guess people just kept their scores on a piece of paper back then.

>>4982246
To me, neither count. Both had to add a chip into the cartridge to make it work. Cotton for the MegaDrive, now that was impressive.

>>4982246
I love Virtua Racing on MD, but it's also quite slow.

>>4982341
>To me, neither count. Both had to add a chip into the cartridge to make it work. Cotton for the MegaDrive, now that was impressive.

I love Cotton but i cannot enjoy this one. I just dont like this perspective.

>>4982297

>bing bing wahoo babies

>>4982364
Same here, it's just too choppy, not as smooth as something like Space Harrier (arcade).
The Mega Drive can only handle so much.

Why didn't they use the chip again? A home port of Virtua fighter on the Genesis would have sold just on the novelty alone. Price? Hard to program?

>>4982641
Hard to program most likely, a racing game is a bit easier to do than a game like Virtua Fighter, with constant camera angle changes, a lot of physics calculations and so on.
There was a 2D version of VF anyway.

>>4982297
9/10

>>4982641
Price and a patent held by codemasters.

Their plan was to release the chip in a cart like the 32x and S&K, for $50 and release the games for it for $50. So the cart is $50 and Virtua Racing is $50.

Codemasters filed a patent for the same idea first and Sega didn t want to bother with any legal issues.

>>4982297
I fucking love this pasta, takes me back to middle school

>>4982297
>Genesis does what Nintendon't

>>4982653
Codemasters probably did them a favor there. They just couldn't help themselves with the add-ons.

>>4982297
I swear this pasta changes slightly every time I see it.
It’s nice that whoever spams this actually works on it from time to time.

>>4982246
It's still an inferior port though. Star Fox stood alone and impressed more people on release.

>>4983427
Who cares how many people it impressed? Those people are all babies, you’re just a brainwashed sheep nintendrone

>>4982246
Sonic Mars(aka extreme) should have been made for the Mega Drive with the SVP chip instead of being transferred to the 32X and THEN the Saturn.

>>4982246
Slow fox pretty fun tho
i liked SF snes better than 64 or the one on tha cube

>>4982647
>physics calculations

???
Racing games have far more physics calculations than a fighting game. Maybe you're confusing it with collision detection?

Stunt Race FX
> can drive a semi-trailer
Virtua Racing
> can't drive a semi-trailer

Sorry folks, Nintendo wins again.

>>4984163
SR FX is a lot of fun but that minigame is easily the worst part of it, fps included.

>>4982339
I agree. Virtua Racing Deluxe is to me, probably, the best version of the game, even better than the arcade. I enjoyed the Virtua Fighter port a lot too, and some people say is even more playable and fun than the Saturn version.

>>4982246
Slow Fox on Genesis is a far more impressive technical achievement compared to Slow Fox.

>>4982270
>Nevermind that was Hard Drivin'

Hard Drivin' on the Genesis/ Mega Drive gets a better frame rate than Star Fox, and it doesn't even use an additional co-processors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r20tURR4eMs

>>4984578
That's like a baby's toy. Watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gji1xHgB4w

SNES CPU absolutely BTFO

>>4984693
AFAIK there is very little actual real-time polygon rendering in KSC.

It's still extremely impressive to behold however.

>>4984715
If you think like that there's very little polygons in Star Fox too, it's mostly clever background layer manipulation.

>>4984715
Its polygons are no less real than the ones in Star Fox though. There’s a lot of ‘cheating’ all-round.

>>4984693
>That's like a baby's toy. Watch this!

Domark used the same engine for a couple different Formula One racing games on the Mega Drive/ Genesis as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrMMfjsYez0

Now compare it to the SNES version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNwFHSmNWjE

>>4982339
Space Harrier and Afterburner ran at 30 instead of 60 fps. Pretty important for fast paced shoot em ups.

>>4985476
Why has no superfan programmer made a homebrew version of outrun for 32X?

>>4982246
mode 7 was alot more impressive then those polygonal blocks. Early 3d sucked ass hard and Nintendo knew this

>>4984693

It's cool on a technical level, but the game doesn't take much advantage of the 3D, it's mostly just used for the scenery. Stunt Race FX, Hard Drivin (another Genesis game) and even Stunt Car Racer on the Spectrum/C64 use polygons to do things that 2D racers couldn't.

Crash effect is pretty dope though

>>4985520
Stockholm syndrome, everyone

https://youtu.be/I4Y-KjE9Vy4

>>4985542
Cool, but demos aren't interactive. That means programmers can use a lot of tricks.

>>4985542
>demo made 25 years since the console died with modern techniques
>is still less impressive the F-Zero
holy shit you sega cucks are unbelievable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-Uu6-sHzI

>>4985718
what does "less impressive" mean here?

they have a massive rotating and zooming fractal that runs at 60 fps. that's not all too different than what's going on in f-zero

>>4985584
Uh... You still have to render stuff to the screen, and do necessary transformations.

>>4985718
>with modern techniques

lul what. it's coded in 68k asm just like most genesis games back then. and it's not like the console is anywhere near as well researched as stuff like the c64 and amiga.

>>4985494
Because the saturn port was better than arcade perfect.

>>4985893
The transformations can be hard coded. As in, no calculations required, simply load the values for each frame.

>>4986032
yeah that's what they do

>>4986062
That is literally how they do the entering base animations in star fox and demos in winter gold.
Notice how the camera is never interactive and always fixed angle in those moments.

>>4986075

ok interesting i guess

>>4986062
>>4986075

they stream the transformation and shading off the cart

>>4982339
PS2 port would be fucking amazing if it didn't handle so poorly.
VR on 32X is still the best port of VF to this day.

>>4982341
Panorama Cotton does some cool shit, but it looks like a mess in general. It's less playable than say, Space Harrier II, which is a choppy-ass launch game.

>>4982641
32X. The 32X's fundamental design at its core is an SVP on steroids, using the much better SH-2 CPUs and with direct-drawing to the screen instead of passing things through the slow Genesis bus.
The initial pitch was that it'd be cheaper for both consumers (one $150 purchase with normal $50-70 games instead of $100 per game) and would deliver better graphics.

>>4984693
I love KSC. It cheats like fucking hell, but if you're not cheating on the Genesis, you're not fucking playing. Enable Turbo mode in the settings for better framerate -- the FOV is altered so things are a bit smaller, but that's it.
and fuck, the Domark racing games have fairly smooth sprite scaling

>>4982303
The Genesis release is nice. Very nice even.
shame about that framerate, and it's fairly barebones, but it's a good port that controls well

it's just entirely obsoleted by the 32X release

>>4985476
Space Harrier is uncapped and runs at 60 with drops.
After Burner is 30, however.

>>4986385
>it looks like a mess in general.

Glad someone said it. Panorama Cotton looks like a disaster.

>>4982246
It was impressive but I think the most impressive was without a doubt Red Zone. It's utterly amazing what they accomplished with that game.

>>4986385
Pretty moot when both SH and AB2 got arcade perfect ports only a year later on the Saturn.

>>4982339
>>4986385
i love ps2 port EXCEPT for the fucking skid noise. i'm referring to the FlatOut port though

>Virtua Racing on Genesis is a far more impressive technical achievement compared to Slow Fox.

No, its not because that game is like 40% more expensive than starfox. By that logic, every Neo Geo game is more impressive than any other console, so its not important that every game was 200 each.

>>4982297

>>4987771
>By that logic, every Neo Geo game is more impressive than any other console
But that's true.