/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[08-15] Anon demo release of LOTX
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7er793oby62hhb0/LOTX-Demo.rar?dl=0
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4977940/#4979189

[08-13] WIP release of Gorgos, a total conversion
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101908-gorgos-the-hidden-terror-from-beyond-infinity-wip/

[08-13] XUMP, a Hexen mapping project has officially started
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101939-hexen-upstart-mapping-project-xump/

[08-13] Half-Life: Echoes released, a mod about experiencing Black Mesa from another perspective
https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-echoes

[08-12] Anon shares his mods, including a monster shuffler and voice-over support system
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4969382/#4972049

[08-10] Quakecon 2018 keynote reveals some Doom Eternal concept art and gameplay footage, as well as F2P release of Quake Champions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i14lwVFY0KQ&t=5108s (Timestamped)

[08-09] MetaDoom V5 'Artifice' released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&start=1425#p1067810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTDoGsu2Idg

[08-01] Windows versions of Wing Commander 1 & 2 now moddable
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/31/wc1-hack-enables-hd-ships
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/29/kilrathi-saga-tools-released-use-to-help-identify-music

[08-01] Nightdive releases a remaster of Forsaken
https://youtu.be/OfDSXz1HTYU

[08-01] Complete Clusterfuck updated
https://pastebin.com/ww8UVrk3
https://mega.nz/#F!GdsVnKyY!tBahBv35NujhwVpUxAkpDQ

[08-01] HUMP Mini for Heretic released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101302-hump-mini-community-project-released/

[07-31] LegenDoom updates to 2.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=51035

[07-31] GZDoom 3.5.0 Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61482

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>>4983986
>NO ENTRY
> map00: exitway

>no "daisy" edition
shame anon, shame

>>4984004
The last time I used a Shambler cropped from porn, nothing good came out of it.

CRUDUX CRUDEUX!

>>4984013
What
Anyways a normal bunny daisy would have been nice to celebrate the maybe upcoming lugaru inspired mod but whatever

Folks I need something western feeling to play with HND and the western patch, I already played fistful of doom

high noon drifter is my favorite mod, and this is the first post i've made since 2014

>>4984060
do you want a medal

>>4984062
yes, give me one with female demons on it

>download Project Veneza because it looked interesting
>play it for a little bit on Doom 2 before getting an opengl error
>update drivers to fix that
>play it again and get a bit farther before my monitor blanks out completely and I have to shut off, then turn my computer back on due to the gpu stopping as well.
>try again to see if it was a one time thing
>same thing happens again
>delete Veneza to see if that changes it
>it doesn't, even with other .wads
It's weird, my computer was doing just fine with all the other .wads I sometimes play before I downloaded that one. Maybe I just need to update from 3.4.1 to 3.5.0.

>>4984060

Thanks for playing it.

>>4984053

Western-feeling mapsets are definitely a rarity, outside of Boothill and Fistful of Doom there aren't really a whole lot.
Preacher's not bad, though.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v87lm26l23hfw3x/preacherv08.zip?dl=1

>>4984063
What kind have you got a hankering for?

>>4984071
all of them

>>4984078
I only got a few

>>4984082

>>4984089
hush hush now

>>4984091

>>4984091
i like this one a lot, thanks anon

>>4984004
Please anon, stop. I really, truly don't want to start filtering that word.

>>4984157
poor babby

>>4984157
get into your bubble!

>>4984165
>>4984169
See? You guys are getting too annoying and pushy.

>>4984165
>>4984169
Here we have defensive furries in their natural habitat.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only guy who really loved the Doom 3 chaingun.

>>4984194
you are

>>4984190
>furries
>for a normal bunny
you're getting paranoid

>>4984198
That's okay, keep it like that. Regular bunny Daisy is best Daisy.

>>4984186
>>4984190
>waaa why do people like things that I don't?

>>4984204
Funny thing, that goes both ways.

>>4984190
>>4984186
>Projecting this hard

>>4984207
Nah, just carrying over annoyance from previous threads. It was fun at first, though.

>>4984194
Took too long to wind up. Didn't have the damage output to match.

>>4984194
>>4984198
>>4984212
The only chaingun I don't really like is the Doom one, it's disappointingly weak for a weapon of its kind. Frankly, I would have preferred if they had just kept pic related as your machine gun, its looks fit its power level better while still looking decently big and brawny. On the other hand, the chaingun looks disproportionate: far too big and bulky. I mean, each one of its barrels is thicker than those of the SSG!

How long until someone makes a mod that adds this

>>4984220
That doesn't have a distinct enough silhouette compared to the other weapons. The chaingun works better from a design standpoint in that way.

In a game where demons teleport from hell in space and you kill them with a space chainsaw, I'm not sure the logic behind the guns appearance matter so much.

Other people seem to agree with you on the weakness front though. Most of the first dehacked edits were just to speed up the chaingun.

>>4984212
>Didn't have the damage output to match
It was powerful per shot instead of being a bullet hose like the Quake 2 chaingun. Still plenty strong in its own way, it just happened to operate more like a heavy caliber machine gun than a minigun.

>>4984230
DUMP3 already has something like that.

>>4984232
It would've been better if it had proportions more similar to the Skulltag minigun.

>>4983986
What the fuck mod is this?

pillow made a Direct Hit
it got me to make one too
but also mantreads
you only take falling damage (up to 20) if you rocketjump
you can stomp enemies without rocketjumping
rockets have random crits, crit chance increases with damage dealt in the past 10 seconds, up to 25%
hitting rockets at enemies feet sends them flying
airshots deal minicrits
pretty much all values are identical to tf2, taken from the wiki

>he's putting more work into the flow-destroying fatalities so he can lengthen development time even further
it's not even remotely subtle at this point.

>>4984350
>Spending more time on the unnecessary long and gameplay flow breaking fatalities that aren't even that well animated
If he insists on them why can't they at least be more like glory kills, which are like a second or half a second or less with a rune in length.

>>4984353
Because nuDoom is what SgtFaggot wishes he could make. Except without ADS and reloading.

>>4984354
Speaking of which,there are people who keep praising BD under Eternal related videos.
One in particular was told to shut up because there are better Doom mods and that is overrated by several people.

Honestly I've never understood how can anyone say that Glory Kills in Brutal Doom are better.They break the flow more than in Nu-Doom.

Some of them take like forever,like a scientist with an axe in PB took like 7 seconds or something.

>>4984375
What really hits me is when I see people that praise Brutal Doom like it's god's gift to man but will shit on nuDoom for things Brutal Doom is far worse about.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom/g-i/goetia1

>>4984404
D44M wasn't perfect by any means but at least you can tell when you can do a glory kill.
People complained about it because it was too "cinematic". They last like 2 or seconds at best.
BD takes much longer to do a glory kill and it's far more risky.You need an health bar addon if you want to do it on anyone above a Pinky or a Cacodemon.

Also there are some people complaining that Eternal wasn't gory enough. It's still unfinished but so far the gore looks good but they're saying that like BD is some sort of masterpiece of gore while Sgt. Mark had the brilliant idea of putting Turok-like blood pools which look awful.
He also gets all the praise for the blood,while it was actually Mike12/Hdoomguy the one who made it(at least the first versions)

Play this pwad anon!

>>4984350
What a Brazilian faggot.

>>4984454
I don't know what pwad that is. Is the filename the wad name?

>>4984470
Oh you.
Yes.

>>4984053
>What

I assumed it was brought up with the surge in anthro Daisy posting, which I'd rather not stir shit up with. Given my circles I probably overthink these.

>making this monstrosity makes me feel like an even bigger furfag than PillowBlaster

>>4984530
What the fuck am I looking at.

>>4984530
is that a big tiddy gnoll with a minigun?
also why

>>4984531
A polygonal monstrosity.

With giant tits.

>>4984538
Holy christ, it IS a Gnoll.
But why?

>>4984538
...do they jiggle-wiggle?

>>4984538

>>4984539
Because I'm a degenerate who looked at HDoom and thought 'It's nice but it's too cute'.

>>4984542
They do.

>>4984551
...Tell us more.

>>4984551
Can we get a webm atleast?

>>4984553
>>4984556
I didn't actually expect people to be interested.

I've made a couple of models, that one's the 'least cute' of the bunch. I haven't done much with them gameplay wise as most of my time was spent fiddling with materials and shaders trying to do what I can to get 3D models to not look shit in doom. I'll see about recording a webm of... -something- if people want to see what the models look like in motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZKyFRPPX2Q
my penis transforms into the cacopenis when i hear cultists crying

>>4984538
>>4984530
jesus christ it's fucking degenerate

>>4984602
Clickbait

>>4984071
>>4984082
>>4984091
>>4984093

PBR materials in Gzdoom are underrated https://twitter.com/Batandy_/status/1030392126977335296

>>4984668
Except they will never look decent until the engine really gets a proper material system, this actual setup works only for the very basic of everything.

>>4984451
Because BD fans don't give a shit about gameplay design, not even for a series associated with game design

>>4984538
My penis is troubled
Tits are a bit too big for my taste tho they feel like implants

>>4984686
I don't agree, they can look good if used sparingly and done in a subtle way.

>>4984530
>>4984538

>>4984717
Forgive my ignorance in the previous post, actually i want to say that they looks alright for the very basic materials with such setup the engine has, in the pic here you can see Doom 3 models looks alright with them.

However what i do mean is that you absolutely have no control of these effects besides adjust how much specular they will trigger, and they will always look like glossy plastic instead of also looking like glass, liquid or even metal.

>>4984538
this makes my sg the ssg

>>4984194
Should have been the one weapon that didn't need reloading

>>4984731
For a second I thought that was Garry's mod or some shit. Amazing how far doom has come.

>>4984716
> Tits are a bit too big for my taste
Boobs can never be too big!

Why is everybody hating on ____Daisy__?

>>4984776
Crossboarders.

>>4984780
oh, /v/irgins?

>>4984774
>Boobs can never be too big!
Explosive boobs is stupid if they go bigger than the entire torso of the character, because after that they just looks like two baloons tied together, so stop thinking with your lower head, you use it only to pee and ejaculate.

>>4984786
> after that they just looks like two baloons tied together
That really depends on the artist.

>>4984776
if htey be hating Daisy I guess we should talk about Daisy the Second

jokes aside the idea of a retired Doomguy getting a second rabbit to replace the first one is adorable and hilarious in equal measure

>>4984538
You should give them dicks too
Just as a joke haha
For a laugh haha

>>4984731
>you absolutely have no control of these effects besides adjust how much specular they will trigger

Yes you do. The problem is that most people don't finetune their assets particularly well, so it doesn't look right.

>>4984786
I agree

>be me (pic related)
>buy awesome computer that can run the latest games on max settings
>buy a few games
>they're boring and I don't care about them
>play Doom (original) levels, Build engine games, maybe a few other retro games
>repeat this process every 5 years or so

I always think "ok Doom! I had fun but have to go play other games now!" then come crawling back like a crack addict.

>>4984815

Are there any good tutorials for making Boom stuff?

>>4983990

Q1SP - Underwater Map Jam released!

http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61613

what do you play when you are FUCKING LIVID and need to vent homicidal rage?
or maybe you are a zone-out zen type of player

>>4984865
HDoom

>>4984774
You should tell Punky Brewster that.

>>4984792
Getting a second rabbit would signify an end to Doomguy's arc, and would mean that he finally found peace. And that would never happen.

Golden Souls 2 platforming has no right to be this good. How the fuck did that madman make Doom into a fun platformer?

>>4984904
Ehhh...

>>4984904
High jump height, usually generous platform sizes, and amping the air control stat up

>>4984904
I wasn't fond of how the first mod handled it that much. Does GS2 do anything differently?

>>4984908
see >>4984906
GS1 had default jump height and air control, he buffed those stats for GS2 making shit feel way better.

>>4984908
GS1 had default shitty jump. GS2 has ITSAME MARIO jump.

>>4984891
...who?

>>4984904
didnt know andrea was a dudes name

I guess loading Trailbrazer in Vanguard with Colorful Hell and Champions wasnt such a good idea

seems like I was having too much fun and the engine gave up

>>4984091
>>4984082
>>4984071

>>4984776
some people drew some pics of an anthro daisy. some people like the idea of anthro animals crossed with doom, other people hate furries in doom.

i think daisy as a bunny is ok, but now i guess people are sick of an anthro daisy for fear of furry porn influx (which probably would happen)

>>4985006
porn flooding is a valid concern, but right now we got demon lewds at the very start
does that count as furry? I dunno

>>4985028
good point

>>4985028
There's probably not as enormous a degenerate as fuck following for demon lewds though.

>>4985073
have you checked out /aco/ recently?

anyway i'm not trying to start shit, nor am i even a furry, but it sure is hypocritical that an anthro daisy is heavily frowned upon, but caco anal vore is a-okay

>>4984848
neat

>>4984865
go to run
>>4984915
it's for both genders

>>4985073
Oh come on dont tell me a cyclops and fucking girl revenant arent degenerate
Its 2D porn, the overlap in audiences is insane even if you dont want to admit it

>>4985080
>implying there are only two genders
fbi should be arriving at any minute

>>4985006
I'm okay with anthro daisy in and of itself but people lewding doomguy's bunny is not cool man

>>4985006
Furries and footfags are the worst of any fetish. They can't seem to keep their proclevities out of other people's faces.

>>4985085
But a revenant is fine I guess?
A skinless creature risen from hell itself at least twice?
Mind you. Its all 2D, none of it matters

>>4984070
hey term i like your shotgun video with your cute moans
:")

>>4984194
I liked using it but there was hardly any ammo

>>4985090
that's cool but this is a retro video games board

>>4984530
>>4984538
>>4984551
>>4984594
Are these supposed to be Super chaingunners?
How did H-Doom inspired you to do this?
What kind of mod is this?

Nothing against furries,your stuff,your business but....just curious

>>4984594
If I were you I would set up a patreon and milk it for all its worth
Im afraid to look up how much HDoomguy is making

You know, with some of Eternal designs being more "old school", mods based on the game may not need that many new sprites
It's a good thinh when health pick ups look more like health pick ups than blue plasma ammo and the new plasma gun makes the '16 one look more like a cheap toy than the one used for the classic plasma gun

>>4985146
$609 per month

>>4984865
i dont play video games when I'm angry, I listen to music. But a good venter sometimes can be demonsteele because it's fast and very distracting

>FIREBLU is so iconic, it shows up at QuakeCon
Also, anon who's working on the Samsara monster addon, is there anything the mod is missing, according to plan?

>>4985153
Now that I think about it,some of the sprites for D4T and D4D are basically slightly altered designs of the originals.
It might also make the artstyle clash less noticeable.

Who of you here happened to play No End in Sight? Could anyone share any opinions on that megawad?

https://youtu.be/YjZ5P_V6qxY

>>4985252
That's adorable.

>>4985252
Ok

>>4984780
>>4984783
This is starting to become a boogeyman.

>>4985289
>*sip* Yeah, boom compatible, now that's the way to map.

What should I play now that I beat Golden Souls 2?

>>4985321
PSX Doom with MetaDoom.

>>4985154
That's pretty good, really. Patreon is a weird beast.

I like how iconic Doom's classic logo is, because the blue tech part and yellow bricks one seem to represent the mix of sci fi and hell the series represents.

I know it's not really retro but Alien Rage somewhat reminds me of the old days

>oh no a cybermond

>>4984668
Man, that looks pretty.

>>4985370
>oh no a cybermongoloid

Thought of a 'storyline' element to Doom.

So Satan and is fallen angel buddies got kicked out of heaven but never stopped believing they could do everything God could do, but better. For example, Lucifer always was irritated that God made humans all soft, slow, but other animals fast and tough. Lucifer got kicked out of heaven after a failed coup.

Thousands of years later, humans become very powerful, manipulating the laws of physics to the very edge and even creating simple life with science. The fallen angels were inspired.

So, like God made humans in his image, Satan, being the rebellious, prideful rebel decided he could make mortal, sentient beings in his own image. An image like he thought humanity should be, sentient, but as tough as mortally possible, with access to magic- exploited loop-holes in God's systemic universe. Using their vast knowledge of the inner-workings of the universe and of life, they began their own version of Creation.. The other important fallen angels helped out, making creatures in their own image, with mixed results. Some made mortals as a joke, the Mancubus was made out of mockery of the human Sin of Gluttony, in his own image, the form it chose during the War of the Heavens.
They existed on a planet, randomly formed almost close to the conditions life would form, but Satan annexed it. For centuries they bred and fought one another, built cities from green marble and bones... until the day the UAC opened a door into their world...


tl;dr, the enemies in Doom are not actually demons, but satan-worshipping aliens created by them. Why you can murder them with a chainsaw.

>>4985382
No John, you are the demons.

>>4985382
You're reading too much on it. It's simply concepts that kicked ass at the times melted in a perfect way. Hell, demons, heavy metal, aliens, space marines...

>>4985382
I'm not a fan of any story that goes "they're actually aliens!".

posting again since last thread is kill:
got a problem with my own imp not walking over things, monsters can walk on top of these decorations, but they cant walk over them even if I make them really short, how can I get around that? I really want them to walk over short things.

>>4985382
faggot

https://youtu.be/W-8wua3uDVk

>>4985382
Makes me feel icky that I'm on a thread with people like this.

>>4985389
Technically demons are aliens anyway. Hell is a different dimension. Somebody from a different dimension can very well be considered an alien. After all, "an alien" is just somebody who wasn't born on/in your country/planet/universe/dimension

>>4985315
>starting

>>4985209
It's god-tier. Very fun level design. Probably the best officially-released wad. Not a megawad though.

>>4984776
Because furries can't let a bunny be a bunny and have to make things weird.

>>4985428
>furries ruin everything
What else is new?

>>4985392

https://zdoom.org/wiki/actor_properties

Try setting a step height, MaxStepHeight, as high as the decorations.

>>4985386
You ever spend like, 4000 hours of your life doing something and never think about it?

Also what isn't metal about devil-worshiping aliens?

>>4985406
Boogieman would imply that they weren't already a legitimate threat to begin with. The recent chimpouts have made it very clear.

>>4985428
>>4985429

>>4985439
Just report and ignore.

>>4985434
with this amount of fingerpointing it's almost like linguica still posts here

>>4985431
Literal demons are cooler.

>>4985430
tried that before (shoudl have mentioned it)
it works for geometry but not for decorations

>>4985448
Literal demons are also still aliens, technically.
At least if hell is an actual place.

>>4985449

I don't think actors even know how to step on other actors as I've never seen it before.

What you can try to do, is put a 3D floor in the place, just give it no textures so it's see-through. They might step on it.

>>4985448
>Aliens
That would imply they live a planet or several of them,which also implies that there is a limit on how many of them there are.

I sleep.

>Demons
Literally from another dimension,personafication of evil,potentially infinite.Can create new kinds as many they want.

Real Shit

>>4985423
You're thinking of No Rest for the Living. No End In Sight isn't an official release, it's a relatively recent Doom 1 megawad.

>>4985448
Doom enemies are way too retarded to be literal demons, though. Like that imp, who look exactly like 1000 other imps is spinning around in circles in a go-go dancer cage in some abandoned mine... that you can disembowl in 0.2 seconds with a duck-hunting shotgun is honestly supposed to represent one of God's rebellious angels?

It's cooler to think they're retarded anti-humans rather than retarded god-like entities.

>>4985465
Why couldn't a demon be retarded?

>>4985465
>It's cooler to think they're retarded anti-humans
nah

nah, my dude

nah

>>4985459
Genocide of a finite population is more satisfying.

Anyways, in general play, when you kill the last thing on the level and you're looking for whatever that last fucking switch did, or hunting for health/ammo, ect it's quiet, right? Where are the infinite demons?

>>4985465
Demons can be retards,they don't necessarily need to be smart.
Of course Imps are dumb because they're low tier enemies.
But then you have Hellknights and Barons who are all brawn and no brain.
But then again even if you're a tactical genius, what else can you do when you're against a 15ft tall muscular beast who's able to tear you apart by simply pimp slapping you?

>>4985484
You're just eliminated all the enemies in the area,not the entire population.
The rest of them is elsewhere.

>>4985489
If they were infinite, or immortal fallen angels they'd come right back. In the game you can clean out a level and take a 4 hour nap, and it's still safe. All the locked doors they can't open, ect.

It is accepted axiom that their population is finite and mortal, thus, they obviously satan-worshipping aliens, not actual supernatural demons.

>>4985461
Ha, oh. It's too early.

No End In Sight was pretty good too, with some good KTITD/SOH mimicry in the first two episodes and more experimental levels in the latter two episodes.

>>4985498
But they do respawn on Nightmare difficulty.
They 're too busy patrol or destroying everything until you come and kill them.
They're everywhere,you're not their main focus.

What's Doomguy's average demon killing speed? Like, let's say there's 6 billion demons, how much would it take for him to kill them all, assuming typical slaughterwad ammo and health drops?

>>4985509
Nightmare difficulty is doomguy sleeping on the job and having a bad dream where bad guys don't stay dead.

>>4985517
In E1M1,if you play on Nightmare or UV there are 29 enemies and you can complete the map in less than 5 minutes.
It really depends on the map honestly,how much backtracking,how big they are.All this considered to kill more of them.

>>4985534
>Having nightmares about demons.
It's actually a happy dream.

>>4985534
>Have a nightmare about demons who keep spawning.
It's actually a dream.

>>4985517
Rough guess, if the whole world is like the ID 'campaigns', An efficient Doom guy can finish all levels of D1 and D2 in about 8 hours, which have about 10,000 enemies between them.

Assuming he never sleeps because he's constantly injecting stims and taking huge quantities of space steroids, He'd still need 547 years to kill 6 billion demons. That figure includes zombies, though. So no way to know how many people become zombies are were simply killed.

>post yfw the Slayer has entered the facility

>>4985538
>>4985543
good job.

>>4985548

>>4985548
>slayer
begone zoomer

>>4984848
missed opportunity to make a boat map
seriously, I can't find a single map that elapses on a ship

>>4985558
Please don't start this shit.

>>4985568
please use proper nomenclature on /vr/ board

>>4985583
He's specifically referencing a scene from Doom Eternal. Doomslayer is the name of the protagonist of nu-Doom. He may be technically off-topic, but he's using the proper nomenclature.

>>4985548

doom is not a 3d game

>>4985498
>they obviously satan-worshipping aliens
Why?

>>4985583
>nomenclature
yikes

>>4985591
This kills the zoomer

Am I the only person who hates Thy Flesh Consumed with the deep fiery passion of a thousand suns?!

but no, /v/ crossboarders aren't invading the thread

>>4985591
It has x, y, & z coordinates that matter in gameplay. It's 3d.

>>4985606
not at all, tFC is badly made and offers nothing new to the original 3 episodes

>>4985607
What are you even talking about? The one post referencing nu-Doom? People posting memes you don't like? What is with all the paranoid amateur jannie faggots in these threads

>>4985543
it's too painful to be a dream
and too real to be a nightmare

Not 3d at all guise

>>4985606
>>4985617
I think it's decent.

>>4985565
There's that port of the DN3D vacation map

>>4985619
What is real?

>>4985606
I have mixed opinions about it.
The first two maps are awful.
Too tight,not much movement and too many enemies to fight.They're not fun.
Then the other 6 are balls hard but challenging.
I still prefer the first 3 episodes though.

>>4985604
>>4985620
>My modified engine of a game that came out in 1993 proves it was 3d

>>4985626
>>4985591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRvPJppwsM

>>498561
Yes, but the characters(as in the crates, enemies and corpses) in both DOOM1&2 are not 3d rendered at all. They're 2D sprites without height.

>>4985628
The levels are 3D though.

how would your list of "must play maps" look like?

You got your scythes, Vendetta, memento mori, hell revealed, but do you also consider modern stuff like AA and GD?
do you go by historical importance or prioritize whats fun to play?
do you think old stuff still holds up compared to newer offerings?

>>4985625
>Too tight,not much movement and too many enemies to fight.They're not fun.
funny, because those are the exact reason I think E4M2 is the best map in ultimate doom
it requires you to make the absolute most of the limited resources and space you have, and the first half of the map becomes a mad scramble to clear out the center area and steal the plasma rifle and cells away from the barons, but once all that's done, the map wraps up quickly and it's smooth sailing until the end

(I always telefrag the cyberdemon though, fuck that fight)

>>4985628
There are no crate sprites in Doom.

>>4985583
Please stop being a pedantic faggot wanting to start fights over literally nothing.

>>4985606
Am I the only person who thinks E4M2 is the only good level of TFC? The rest are so much more annoying.

>>4985628
They have height values. Projectiles can fly over and under enemies and decorations. Movement collision does not account for the height value of other actors, but height collision does.

>>4985637
>>4985637
>What are the boxes of different colors that sometimes have "UAC" written on them.

>>4985635
I guess everyone have their own taste.
But I can see someone like it.
I always fought against the Cyberdemon.
Just for the satisfaction to kill him.

The Mastermind battle was slightly better than the one in DIS.
At least for me.

>>4985642
>but height collision does
meant
>but projectile collision does
it's been a long day

>>4985628
I'm having a real hard time between deciding if I want to shove Matpat into a locker or give him a swirley.

>>4985618
>People posting memes you don't like?
We have had people unironically whine about wojack and pepe images. We have had people unironically whine about "What did he mean by this?".
Yes. This is all it boils down to. If someone posts a meme, obviously it must be /v/. Or /pol/. Or reddit. Or 8ch. This shit has been happening for years. People want something to lay blame to.

>>4985645
Textured level geometry. Not sprite-based actors.

>>4985634
Some old stuff still holds up it's just not as impressive as it used to be.So some fans tend to avoid them.

A must play modern map might be Diabolus Ex.

>>4985649
What does my previous post have do do with Mattpatt?

>>4985658
the game theorists, headed by matpat, popularized the incorrect idea that doom isn't actually 3D

>>4985650
>wojak posting in 2018
>not cancer

>>4985484
>Where are the infinite demons?
In the multitude of constantly released WADs, of course!

>>4985660
Thank you for fucking proving my point.

>>4985558
>zoomer
>not zdoomer
ONE JOB

>>4985627
Is that Zulin? Holy shit, didn't know he was also making videos in english.

>>4985606
I always appreciate tough mapsets that don't require the Doom 2 bestiary.

>>4985659
>the game theorists, headed by matpat
Ew.

>>4985684
Other than the "Doom is not 3D" bullshit theory and certain instances of channel drama, what did Matpatt do that was so bad?

Should I be using any of the "High Quality Texture Resize" on GZDoom? That all kind of look like shit compared to straight pixels.

>>4985701
The short answer is: no.
The long answer is: NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

>>4985693
matpat himself, he's ok as a person.

he just makes fucking stupid retarded dumbass theories, like the aforementioned "doom is not 3D" bullshit.
which is better than other people on the internet, but it's not going to stop me from shitposting.

>>4985716
> like the aforementioned "doom is not 3D"
That wasn't Matpat though. That was another dude.

>>4985606
Its the second most memorable episode but far from the best

>>4985558
get that crap outta here

>>4985589
It's pretty obvious he was referring to what he said and not to the content of the picture he posted.

>>4985721
Fun fact: He killed himself.

Now back to doom.

>>4985548

>>4985735
Good.

>try Saturnine Chapel
>my PC is so shit it runs it at 30 FPS
so far I never had that issue outside of russian urban simulations

>>4985623
which one?

>>4985721
he was still a part of the game theorists, which is (again) lead and approved by matpat

>>4984375
So then don't perform them instead of using them as a shallow reason to complain about BD.

>>4985864
>shallow reason
Yeah because BD is so indepth. Is complaining about the wonky balance shallow too? What about the constant feature creep?

>>4984451
>D44M wasn't perfect by any means but at least you can tell when you can do a glory kill
Agreed. I play with the highlights off (because I find the blaring flashing blue/yellow lights annoying as hell) and through animation alone you can tell when you can do it.

>>4985154
it's pretty shit compared to how many other braindead crap porn games have thousands
normalfags need to go

>>4985864
You're allowed to criticize any feature that development time is spent on and he spends a concerning amount of time on fatalities.

best mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0iwKHuz_6E

>>4985332
>Corruption of Champions guy is making $30k per month of a poorly made erotic text rpg

>>4985902
It's definitely a technological marvel, though I wish he'd add an actual chain he throws out when using the grapple thing.
The animations are fucking great.

>>4984276
Duke plus

>>4985904
Hey, that's not true. He's making $30k a month from THREE poorly made erotic text RPGs.

>>4985864
>One of the highlights of the mod
>One of the things that fans keep praising like it's a god's gift.
>Creator keeps focusing on it rather than addressing other problems.
>One of the reasons that BD is unbalanced as hell
>Shallow reason to complain.

Alrighty then.
Glory kills supposed to give you more health,but it goes on for so long that you might find yourself surrounded while you're perfoming it and get killed in a matter of seconds.
"Use some strategy",then why would you put so much effort into a thing that people will hardly do? It's pointless,try focusing on making them faster rather than more brutal like you were into guro or some shit.

Glory Kills done to the stronger enemy,the better the reward. The problem is:when can I tell if the enemy is damaged enough or not? I need a health bar addon,but it's not in there so you're screwed by doing a trial and error with them.

I don't hate this mod,but seeing one of its most popular features ,while getting even more useless features, and then getting praised all the time,even called "polished",frankly I can't stand it.

>>4985904
>>4985943

I recently went to check Monster Girl Island, but it seems like he recently hid how much he makes monthly.
https://www.patreon.com/monstergirlisland

It was an ungodly amount, though, especially compared to how the game is barely anything more than a tech demo.

>>4985889
Which begs the question...how does he even get those physical copies of classic PC games in good conditions,which are surely pretty expensives,does he use his sprite art skills on other things?

>>4985965
Last time he had it public he was making around as much as Fenoxo fucking thirty thousand per month sometimes I wish I poured all my time into learning how to program or draw instead of write, but oh well.

So, doom.

>>4985975
>So Doom
Which is always the better option

Do you play with freelook or snapped to horizontal

>>4984865
Play Marathon and kill Bobs for fun

>>4985985
Depends on what I'm playing.

>>4985985
I play with freelook. I'd rather have more input in my aiming that just infinitely vertical autoaim.
I can understand wanting to stick to horizontal for the classic style though.

>>4985659
That idea was polularized in the 90s. I had conversations with people about it in like 1996.

are there any mods that make Hexen less "yeah go look at a guide dude"
I know its all about exploring but this hub is getting on my nerves

>>4985985
It bothers me to work with an objective downgrade after having already done so years ago so I use most of the control improvements. Jumping and Crouching excluded on original Doom maps of course.

>>4985994
"Shades Of Darkness" is the most linear/Doom-style mapset for Hexen I've played.

>>4985997
I was thinking of a map marker or something
I guess I will just watch a video when I get too stuck

what class do you anons prefer? Im going cleric for DEUS VULT

>>4986023
You can place map markers yourself in ZDoom.

For me it's a tossup between the cleric and fighter. The cleric's first weapon is so bad but his other weapons are so good they make up for it.

>>4983986
There needs to be a Quake1 mod where you are able to have a 3rd person view. Also, are there any WADs for DOOM 1 or 2 where the Chainsaw is replaced with a laser sword that aren't pranks that you can name?

>>4986053
Prydon Gate?

>>4986023
Fighter is the easiest to play imo. You can straight up murder centaurs with fists and shit.

>>4986053
>There needs to be a Quake1 mod where you are able to have a 3rd person view.
If you're using a Fitzquake derived port (like Quakespasm), just open the console and type chase_active 1. There's a couple other chase_ cvars to fine-tune distance and angle.

>THE MEAT HOOK, THE KNIFE ARM AND FLAMETHROWER SHOULDER AREN'T DOOM

>Proceeds to play russian over kill, complex doom on openGL ports

>>4986113
Who are you quoting?

>>4986119
the doom community outside of /vr/. Never in my life would I ever say that a 4chan community is better than other communities.

>>4986119
His personal strawman that he can lash against without fear of actually getting replies back.

>Doom 64 weapon sprites are the best

prove me wrong

>>4986140
> prove me wrong
> trying to change anyones entrenched preconcieved opinions on the internet
you know it's not going to happen so why even ask

is it safe to assume that almost everything is designed for pistol start?
I often play a couple of maps with a gameplay mod and then change it and just cheat my way to the last map I reached, unless its a mod with some kind of progression

>>4986140
>argue against facts

>>4986146
party pooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMOzvxQHywM

>>4986148
It's just sensible design. It's way faster to test a map from a pistol start than it is by playing the mapset continuously up to the map you actually want to test, and it's smarter balancing as well, because nobody likes to die and lose all their shit and have to restart from the beginning.

Just installed the latest gzdoom
Can't get the aspect ratio set up right and everything's super choppy
Why does the chicken have to ruin everything

>>4986160
gzdoom's devs don't ever play doom
not even with their settings

>>4986140
That's a modified sprite though, also the d64 gun animations are ass. Even the original doom had more shotgun frames.

>>4984865
Funnily enough, Devil Daggers.

The total insane pace and exhilaration of the game takes my mind entirely off of reality and makes me focus on the game and nothing but the game. I don't rage at it like I do with other fast-paced games like Super Meat Boy or Hotline Miami, but I enter this crazy wizard trance where my heartrate is 100bpm and I have to concentrate every single fucking moment on the game or else I might die.

I remember watching a Cinemassacre video where James and Mike are playing the Atari 2600, and Mike says his favorite game is Kaboom, for the reason that the game gets so fucking intense later on that you cannot focus on anything but the game, and you enter this zen trance of total absorption and immersion and escapism into the game, where nothing else matters, there is no rage, or fear, or depression, there's just you, infinite daggers, and an endless horde of screaming demons.

>>4986160
And nobody will ever do anything about it.

>>4986195
The prophecies speak of a programmer, one of the Doom community, who will rise up and declare the throne of the lead developer once and for all, who will behead the Chicken menace and cast him into darkness for eternity, and who will bring upon the golden age of Doom enlightenment, where the physics are no longer a black box of mystery, where actor's heights can change on the fly, where there is legitimate care taken for backwards compatibility, and most importantly, where the default texture filtering mode is set to fucking off.

One day, they will rise. One day, the chicken will die.

>>4986208
Did you really have to make it so embarrassing to read?

>>4986213
yes

>>4986213
It's the resident autist so no, he can't avoid that.

Why is this Crater map such ass?

>>4986208
please go the fuck back, for the love of god

>>4986167
>>4986195
>>4986208
Is Graf really that bad?

>>4986227
probably because of some hallways and areas that require you to walk a lot

>>4986208
Man you like commas a lot

>>4986229
Usual caterwauling from people who don't have the skill, let alone patience to fork GZDoom and unfuck it.

>>4985987
what are some other feelgood wads, similar to Golden Souls 1/2?

>>4986240
Pirate doom

>>4986235
>fork this legacy codebase full of uncoordinated spaghetti from a bunch of authors over ~15 years that mostly either aren't around to help you understand it or will be unwilling to do so
>if you can't, you just need more skill
Nope. Even the best programmers I know would tell you that that's a losing game from the start. It would almost be quicker, in this case, to just work on a different port from another codebase rather than try to actually fix GZDoom as someone who has no experience on the code. At this point Eternity Engine with it's Aeon branch is likely the best bet, though it looks like it'll still be a few years off.

>>4986229
Almost. People probably put to much blame on him and his cronies, but he also will genuinely make fucking bafflingly bad decisions, such as recently when he wanted to remove set screen resolutions and have windowed mode set by how you stretch and position the window (necessating a clunky-ass 3rd party program to get a consistent and even size in windowed and not having to set this manually each time).
It took everyone in the world telling him "Uh, what the fuck, why?" to change his mind, and it was really hard for him to understand why this was inconvenient as shit to the end user.
Rachel being his personal pet sycophant and defending him and locking threads when people say a new change is bad, or when he pulls a stupid-ass tantrums, such as with lilith.pk3, doesn't help.

>>4986240
Alfonzone has some of that, kinda.
Also the Duke Caribbean expansion for Duke 3D, VERY cheerful and relaxing, just exudes a vacation feeling.

>>4986240
this image made me realize
last thread there was discussion of a rabbit gameplay mod and one of the difficulties suggested was cheeky Monthy Python reference: "The Black Beast of Aaarg"
I now realize that the rabbit in the movie is actually The Rabbit of Caerbannog

maybe someday I will do that as some sort of item powerup, you pick up a white bunny and use it to spawn a friendly rabid fluffball that headcrabs demons to death

I've picked up the DOOm games for the first time recently. I like The Ultimate Doom, I like Doom 2, but Final Wars just seems off. It's ugly to look at. There's something missing about it.

Player learned the true meaning of war.

Does the Sword from GMOTA have a name

How big of a fantasy nerd is GMOTA guy anyways name me 5 fantasy swords you won't

>>4986306
>Does the Sword from GMOTA have a name
Zarach.

>>4986301
dont you mean final doom?
I never liked plutonia visually, too much brown
Im biased in favor of TNT because it was actually my very first Doom game
man that music is good but it gave me anxiety

>>4986303
This boss battle is so well-made. Like the rest of Hexen 2's boss battles, it requires the player use their items often and strategically. For this battle you pretty much need the Boots Of Speed and Discs Of Repulsion to avoid his homing projectiles. Not to mention using a Krater Of Might (or two) to refill your mana.

>>4986301
Plutonia is pretty good-looking besides that god-awful camo texture.

>>4986306
It does have a name, Blaz's sword is named Zarach

also:
Excalibur
Tyrfing
Balmung
Hrunting
Gram

>>4986308
>to rise, come forth, break out, arise, rise up, shine
That's actually a neat name

>>4986317
>Balmung
>Gram
They're the same tho

>>4986323
Are they? Fuck. Well what about the caladbolg?

>>4986306
the dragon slayer
sting
brisingr
stormbringer
soul edge
needle
master sword

cant remember the fucking sword from turin turanbar

>>4986309
>dont you mean final doom?

Holy shit, I was thinking about Godzilla while browsing here and I guessed I typed that by mistake. But yeah, the game is filled with browns and dark greens and it feels like a mod.

>>4986332
Sufficiently different from Excalibur and shit IMO, I'll take it

>>4986342
I like my magic and legendary swords, I need to do more reading up on them.
Term helped me name Zarach and I got plans for cool shit for that sword's origins one day.

>>4986317
>>4986338
> no valmanway

>>4986343
> term
also a sword in SOTN

>>4986348
My list was going more off legendary swords in actual myths and legends, isn't the Valmanway purely a sword from the castlevania series?

>>4986343
>legendary swords
For real, I was expecting at least a couple easier ones. You went full euronerd on me, I like it.
>>4986338
Unlike this nerd. J/K anon I love you

>pirate doom
>game tells me to enable opengl renderer
>funny messages keep showing up, Im pretty sure I have that enabed
>next map looks fine
>the game shows more funny messages and kills me anyway

>>4986306
I am Welcomed in the Home of Ravens and Other Scavengers in the Wake of Warriors, I am Friend to Carrion Crows and Wolves. I am Carry Me and Kill with Me, and Die with Me Where the Road Ends. I am not the Honeyed Promise of Length of Life in Years to Come, I am the Iron Promise of Never Being a Slave.

Ravensfriend for short.
Completely from memory, capitalization and all, pinky promise
>>4986338
You took mine reee

>>4986353
i don't know i'm not a sword nerd

>>4986353
It is
The game actually has a couple that are actual lit references, but that's not one of them

Remember that botched attempt at a Halloween map pack last year?

I'd say that, if anyone wants to, now would be the time to perhaps start planning.

>>4986140
animations are boring
designs are cool
d54Chaingun>All

There he is, Eidolon himself.

>>4986516
this makes Eidolon become the big Eidolon

>>4986516
>shocked in the crotch
ouch

>>4986521
Kek. It's actually the chaos sphere infusing him with energy. So basically magical dick pills.
>>4986516
>>4986520
Posted the wrong damn images, meant to spoil the first one.

well that was disappointing

>>4986553
I'm guessing those rad pistols don't actually exist ingame

I hope y'all Quake-playing motherfuckers are playing the Underwater Jam map pack. It's good.

>>4986558
Not at all. And naturally the monster in the background is just an embellished Guardian from the main game, whereas the DLC rips the model straight from there but dumbs it down so it has no Seekers or vulnerable spot. So you can just nuke it to death with that BFG ammo you probably saved with no effort.

Why is Hellbound such an amazing wad, holy shit

>>4986614
o shit, it's time

>>4986624
Because you haven't gotten tired of the huge maps yet.

>>4985970
He did a bunch of the gore sprites for Brutal Doom and Ion Maiden. I imagine he was paid.

>>4986229
No, you're just in a place where people need to complain 24/7

god this mod is so ucking good
all the weapons are so damn satisying
along with BD Monsters Only its just so good

>>4986213
If it pisses you off, I consider it a benefit.

BRRRRT

>>4986309
TNT has excellent tension music.
https://youtu.be/JTMmi-8pu-Y
https://youtu.be/AyapMs1VOD0
https://youtu.be/7t1cLsD7xuQ

And some great action music.
https://youtu.be/DX46vEHyVxA
https://youtu.be/4L7vFC2kgCg
https://youtu.be/34N_D2ecAFc

>>4986731
still: why

>>4986339
>I was thinking about Godzilla while browsing here and I guessed I typed that by mistake
Happens to us all.

>feels like a mod
In a way, it was.
Ever since the original Doom released, a company called Wizardworks sold compilation discs of basically usermade .wads grabbed off the internet. They did this with basically no quality control at all, and with nobody's permission (and given how more than a few of the .wads contained rips from copyrighted materials, it was all kinds of shady and illegal).

iD resented this, it looked bad, and cut into their sales, so that's when they started to look into publishing more content for Doom, to show those crooks how it was done, and also to give players something much better to chew on. They also wanted it to be more challenging than the original Doom and Doom 2, since there had been complaints for a while that the game is a little easy (this was why Episode 4 was made to be much tougher).
They looked around, and saw these guys called Team TNT, who were making their own megawad, a full 32 level replacement for Doom 2, and it was almost finished. iD Software hit them up with an offer to publish TNT commercially, if they also provided another 32 level megawad to go with it. The other megawad would be Plutonia, made by Milo Casali, and Dario Casali (who would go on to make maps for Valve), and with the intention to be extra hard.

Together, TNT and Plutonia was published commercially as Final Doom.
Personally, I think it's pretty good, TNT is really cool, if a little bit rough around one of the edges, and Plutonia as well, while giving people something extra tough to chew on.

>>4986213
All the better that makes it.
As leader of a source port, Graf is far more of an embarrassment than the posts you see around here.

>>4985962
> try focusing on making them faster rather than more brutal like you were into guro or some shit.
Yeah, pretty sure Sergeant Mark IS into guro.

>>4986397
That was already kind of the deal, right?
Project Lead should post the premise and resources for people again, maybe poke the news post too.

>>4986397
repugnus said he was going to restart it after sleeping... 2 weeks ago

Here's a bunch of short interviews with various Doom people, from like 20 years ago:
https://5years.doomworld.com/

Including Romero, Halderman, Casali and Kvernmo.

>>4986764
Someone better go wake that nigga up!

>>4985161

In short, quite a bit

I need to:

Come up with a good replacement for the Spider Mastermind
Add the Death Knight
Add all the special gibs for each monster
Finish all the sprite offsets (I've gotten a good amount done on this but there's still a lot to do)
Make all of them behave as accurately to Quake as I can manage
Add all the special Samsara states
Do online testing

Then there's stuff I'd like to do but don't really need before putting out a new version:

Add mm_dropdefault
Add Heretic support
Add Hexen support (if this is even feasible)
Come up with some new monster modifier cvars
Tweak existing monster sets to see if I can make them more accurate to source material (I do have Zandy 3.0 features now)

There might be more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head

>>4986731
giv

>>4986208

>>4986553
It was okay-ish. Dunno why they made the final section so fucking bad, though. The weird bridge part felt like some amateur's first mapping project. Looked ugly and played like shit.

>>4986314
None of the expansions had the aesthetic polish the main games had.

>>4986925
>Doom 2
>aesthetic polish

>>4986941
Even shit like The Factory looks better than anything in Plutonia, hombre.

>>4986227
I thought the encounters were good but my goodness there was a lot of unnecessary space in that map.

That whole secret "basement" section was a few minute detour that gave me nothing but some shells and bullets

>>4986943
It absolutely does not.

Here's a question:

Are there any good gameplay mods/weapon packs to go with Strife?

Thanks in advance!

>>4986985
Weapons Of Rebellion is my goto.
There's also Brutal Strife, if you like that sort of thing.

What do you think of Doom 64?
I personally really enjoying it so far.
I really like the atmosphere, feels more like Quake, absolutely diabolical.
The level design even feels different but not that big of a deal.

>>4987009
It's nice with pc controls

Anyone play Freedom? I finished the phase 1 Iwad. They're really decent vanilla-type levels and look good., but they're also huge af, full of goddamn switch hunts and it's 90% shotgun guys and imps. Also every enemy is deaf and you get ambushed at point-blank by shotgun guys every single room.

Playing the phase2 iwad and I already noticed it's less frustrating.

The sprites for some enemies look like shit, (the mancubus is awful) but all the wall and floor textures are objectively better looking than Doom2.

Also anyone know how to play custom wads on Freedom with linux and GZDoom? I haven't tried it yet, I downloaded Stronghold and have no clue how to get it to run with Freedoom if it's even possible.

>>4987039
Some mods run really fucking weirdly with Freedoom because it doesn't exactly follow the standards set out by Doom and Doom2.

Pic fucking related, ModOhFun is fucking hilarious in Freedoom.

>>4984914
the girl who used to be her back in the 80's/90's tvseries, when she grew up in the late 90's her boobs became anime sized + her hot curves.

she did a surgery to reduce them a bit

>>4986248
id isn't interested on unfucking Gzdoom code too, they would do a better port with the same features but polished, also console support.

>>4987054
is he cross-eyed?

>>4984848
daym, these look promising

>>4987054
>>4987093
>you're drunk
>i've got two guns, that's enough for both of you.

>>4987093
No, that's a different picture that goes around, he is cross-handed though.

>>4987126
>No, that's a different picture that goes around

>>4987126
>>4987129
Or this one?

>>4987129
>>4987131
there's one with Freedoomguy (or whatever his RMS-friendly name is) crosseyed.

>>4986696
It really is. It's one of my favourite gameplay mods.
If only the New Colossus was this good

besides Sunder,skillsaw stuff, and the later maps of Scythe, whats good on the slaughter side of things?

>>4986635
>Hdoomguy did most of BD's gore
>Now he's gone and the mod's blood looks like MSPaint's spray tool being used

Posting this because it's reached a point where it's mostly does what it's supposed to do.

tl;dr load these before (or after sometimes, I dunno) a Doom gameplay mod with Heretic to get at least some of the fuckers to play with Heretic.

You can pick and chose which parts of weapons, pickups and monsters you need to go with mods because shit's not consistent across all mods.

t;ldr tl;dr It fucking runs GMOTA in Heretic, mostly fine, it also runs Metroid Dreadnought mostly fine.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/pms15y7hf4w1ptf/Almost+Universal+Doom+Gameplay+For+Heretic+patch.7z

Lacks mod-based bosses (shit got weird and I've not be arsed to fix it yet) and monster placement and some item distribution might be a bit rough around the edges but it works.

>>4987150
The blood wouldn't even look bad if it was like Turok or Half-Life.

It's just the contrast between the pixelated sprites and enviroments.
The spaghetti code doesn't help either.

I hope this will be the very last version of BD.
Because you can't clutter a mod with so much stuff.

>>4986883
Doesn't he side with the chicken when it comes to the latest resolution thing?

>>4987126
no, I mean he's crosseyed and that's why he holds the guns that way

>>4986883
>let some young punk with a chip on their shoulder take over
Nah. That one's got a long way to go before they're fit to run something as big as a source port, especially a source port for doom.

https://clips.twitch.tv/HumbleMushySheepPeteZarollTie

>>4987175
HERE COMES SPOOKY FLAME BOIS

>>4987175
> MINUS A THOUSAND POINTS OFF!

>>4985619
Nightmare Mode is actually Doomguy invading the dreams of demons and turning them into a nightmare. They respawn because they can never die in a dream, and thus they can never truly escape him. Killing him only ends the dream. He'll be back tomorrow.

>>4987206
I wonder what Pistol Starting is then.

>>4986301
Godzilla: Final Wars is my favorite Doom megawad

>>4987131
I'm surrounded by assholes!

>>4985382
please go away and never come back

>>4985453
only in Might & Magic
demons are still cooler, faggot

>>4985382
Even the old novels did the "actually aliens" thing better than this, and that's still kind of a mark against them.

>>4987161
>I hope this will be the very last version of BD.
Is BD Mark's only mod? I know he's made maps. Brutal D64 doesn't count.

>>4987225
Brutal Friends

>>4985548