/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[08-13] WIP release of Gorgos, a total conversion
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101908-gorgos-the-hidden-terror-from-beyond-infinity-wip/

[08-13] XUMP, a Hexen mapping project has officially started
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101939-hexen-upstart-mapping-project-xump/

[08-13] Half-Life: Echoes released, a mod about experiencing Black Mesa from another perspective
https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-echoes

[08-12] Anon shares his mods, including a monster shuffler and voice-over support system
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4969382/#4972049

[08-10] Quakecon 2018 keynote reveals some Doom Eternal concept art and gameplay footage, as well as F2P release of Quake Champions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i14lwVFY0KQ&t=5108s (Timestamped)

[08-09] MetaDoom V5 'Artifice' released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&start=1425#p1067810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTDoGsu2Idg

[08-01] Windows versions of Wing Commander 1 & 2 now moddable
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/31/wc1-hack-enables-hd-ships
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/29/kilrathi-saga-tools-released-use-to-help-identify-music

[08-01] Nightdive releases a remaster of Forsaken
https://youtu.be/OfDSXz1HTYU

[08-01] Complete Clusterfuck updated
https://pastebin.com/ww8UVrk3
https://mega.nz/#F!GdsVnKyY!tBahBv35NujhwVpUxAkpDQ

[08-01] HUMP Mini for Heretic released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101302-hump-mini-community-project-released/

[07-31] LegenDoom updates to 2.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=51035

[07-31] GZDoom 3.5.0 Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61482

[07-31] 2018 Quake award winners announced
http://www.quakeawards.com/2018-award-winners/

[07-29] Addons for Samsara
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=61431

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doomfags need to be lynched

>>4977950
Blow it out your ass.

Wow, even the doom rpg is covered here! I had that on my flip phone back in the 00's! thanks, gonna put it on my android if I can!

>>4977950

>>4977960
laser watch
slaps
pp7 silenced
autoshotgun
d5k silenced
ar33
rocket or grenade launcher
c4

>>4977950
kek have fun getting instabanned by the mods here

>>4977957
I played Doom RPG on android, it works like a charm and it's pretty damn fun. Wolfenstein RPG is also a lot of fun, I'm playing that right now. Play Doom RPG first though, it helps you learn the mechanics. Going straight to Wolf RPG would kinda suck I think.

Just finished the Mill in TNT Evilution.
I'm enjoying this megawad but this map was terrible.
It drags on for so long and it's sou nnecessarily cryptic.
In the end it throws waves of enemies to you.

Why?

>>4977950

>>4977965
fangasm.jpg

>>4977967
That one's a bit of an odd duck in progression, admittedly.
I really like the atmosphere a lot though.
There's two or so much worse maps later though.

has /vr/doom ever had an irl meetup?

>>4977941
damn that half life echoes is good, shame it ends so abruptly after 3 hours

>>4977974
Are those more difficult that Scythe?

>>4977978
half of the people here is from lat

>>4978000
So... they'd promptly shoot each other to death?

Wheeeee

ORIGINAL DOOMGUY > NU-DOOMGUY

>>4978013
With the existence of this mod, has anyone tried adding the prisoner 849 in Samsara?

>>4977964
Thanks, I do need a refresher. On.my old Motorola Droid 4 I had the shareware version of doom and duke 3d. Dunno if they're still in the app store but the controls being ON SCREEN were a pain, I could never get used to them. The rpg shouldn't be a problem since it was turn based. Thanks for the heads up on Wolfenstein too. This game cost 6.99 in the vzw navigator store in 2006 or so.

>>4977983
I can't think of anything that would be in TNT.
It's just that there's a few levels in the late third which are actually pretty awful.

To save your bloodpressure a bit, in Baron's Den, one of the keys you need to progress is hidden in a room behind a fake wall, in a small dirt corridor, not far form a large green marble pillar.
There is absolutely nothing to indicate or hint at this anywhere, the key is just hidden because go fuck yourself.

>>4978014
they are the same tho

>>4978014
>unzips m. can

>>4977536

If they could somehow figure out any rights issues, I'd love it if they included Doom 64 in something like that.

>>4978016
I tried long ago and failed.
I want to try again now..
I think at least one Prisoner 849 standalone mod exist.

>>4978016
the four big things I remember being an issue were:
- unreal's armor system was impossible to implement in zdoom at the time, and it's still impossible in zandronum, since you need zscript for it
- the GES goop merging together was maybe possible back then, but would've required disgusting hacks to make it work. zscript would make that actually feasible
- the homing on the ripper's alt-fire caused some grief, although that's because I didn't know what a vector projection was back then
- the big one was that samsara's codebase was fucking awful, became more and more impenetrable with every release, and no one wanted to deal with it anymore. and yes, zscript would massively help with this one too.

if zandronum ever gets a zscript build, expect things to happen

>>4978035
it seems that would require zscript becoming stable which won't happen anytime soon

>mfw watching all these people with their SSGs try to rush me as I mow them down with the chaingun

https://www.twitch.tv/eric631

For the first time, a live demonstration of Immoral Conduct: Counter-Diabolic Commando

>>4978029
I heard id or Zenimax may own the game but the OST is owned by Aubrey Hodges and Midway was taken over by WB

Will there ever be a good sourceport option for the Marathon trilogy of games? I find the free form from Bungie frustrating and barely playable.

>>4978053
you sure it's not just the default setting?

>>4978058
I remember having a lot of issues with the games framerate, iirc something was locked to a set speed that I couldn't stand.

Is this scenario unwinnable?
>3 Archviles
>No cover
>No BFG

>>4978063
just stagger the rockets

how do i gain a relative mastery of acs scripting instead of just knowing how to do specific things? is there a set of tutorials out there that can provide a comprehensive understanding?

>>4978063
>pick up invincibility sphere
>pull out plasma gun
Nope.

>>4978063
anything that offers high pain chance, also their attack is limited to 1024 units range iirc

>>4978063
Needs more information.

>>4978078
You are guaranteed to get smoked at least twice regardless of the outcome. Archviles are OP as fuck.

>>4978035
>unreal's armor system was impossible to implement in zdoom at the time
What makes it so special?

>>4977970
kinky

>>4978085
unreal has layered armor, and zdoom has no inherent support for layered armor

eg. you can have a shield belt at 20%, an assault vest at 57%, and a kevlar suit at 40%, and you get hit for 100 damage.
- shield belt has 100% absorb rate, and absorbs the 20 damage it can, leaving 80 damage left
- assault vest has 90% absorb rate, and absorbs the 57 damage it can, leaving 23 damage left
- kevlar suit has 50% absorb rate, and absorbs 11 damage, leaving 12 damage left
- you take the remaining 12 damage

>>4978103
Doesn't Samsara usually either leaves some stuff from the characters or goes creative with them?

>>4978103
isn't hexen armor just like this?

Who are they?

>>4978115
moe, larry and curly

>>4978115
Demon lords. Sugondez, Bophades, and Leegma.

>>4978035
>GES goop merging together
That's an UT2k4 thing. Unreal and UT didn't have this.

>>4978115
bj, doomguy, and ranger

>>4978115
There should be a mod with enemies based on these guys.

>>4978112
only when necessary, as I remember it. the real killer was not being able to figure out how to remake the ripper or bio rifle's mechanics, as not including either of those... well, I remember how people *really* didn't like not having the super nailgun.
also I guess having ASMD cores potentially block shots (so you could shoot them) would be bad; that's something zscript can help with too. that wasn't really on anyone's mind on the time, though.

>>4978114
nah, hexen armor distributes the damage evenly between all five armor sources (amulet/mesh/shield/helm/innate), and the amount you have doubles as its absorption percentage (the AC value is 1/5 the amount you have, so 20 is 100% absorption)

>>4978141
whoops
testing it, they just explode if you shoot a blob into another, which is basically the same problem with a different outcome
much less critical though, and hell, would anyone complain if they did merge?

>>4978115
wasn't there a weaponset with hellish weapons with one or two of these faces?
eriguns 2 i think?

>>4978171
Probably Eriguns or Hell-forged.

Good golly, Deem is so ugly game even for its age.

>>4977967
It's only going to get worse and worse from there. Map 17 was last good map. It's shame really. First third of Evilution is fucking godtier. Looks and gameplay start drop from map to map in second third and maps start to become too large for their own good. Last third is like "we have one night time left to release this wad, but we have only 20 maps, so let's just throw something there to finish this". Last map is quite expected climax to the whole shit show, because it might be worst map I've played. Boring as shit, has that horrible bridge puzzle at the beginning and last room is one of most boring ways to design Icon Of The Sin boss battle.

Still in some strange way I still somehow like the wad. Maybe it's the nostalgia.

is there any reason to play a Doom 1 wad that isn't a Megawad?

>>4978224
What do you mean? Why would being a megawad or not matter?

>>4978150
Tormentor's stuff and those zdoom community projects have the lion-faced baron.

>>4978228
well if it's just a short cluster of levles or a single level, wouldn't it be more optimal to just be a Doom 2 wad? The only thing Doom 1 had that Doom 2 didn't was the episode layout, Doom 2 just eliminated that and added more on top of what was already in Doom 1.

Kinda weird that Kegan loves the pistol in MetaDoom.

>>4978240
No, Doom 1 has textures that weren't carried over to Doom 2.

>>4978224
Crusades is pretty good shit. Go play it.

i wonder if the reason for mapping for doom 1 could something to do with starting on a simpler game, before moving into doom 2 mapping

>>4978240
Phobos, Deimos, Inferno or ep4 style maps are best to be made with Doom 1. There is no need for Doom 2 monsters and also >>4978245.

>>4978245
is it enough that can't be infused into a Doom 2 wad though? I'm pretty sure someone has packed all those textures into Doom 2 allowing the Doom 1 levels to be played with the Double Shotty and the new enemies.

What are your favorite pre-Cacoward-era wads (1993-2003)? Here's my folder.

what is a megawad that simulates some kind of a campaign?
something with a resemblance of a plot, interconnected leves, non abstract shitty maze maps
something like Extermination Day

>>4977951
why do comments get deleted for no reason here? is this fucking r*ddit?

>>4978240
Sometimes less is more.

guys, I'm very blocked with my haunted mansion map, what movies has old creepy mansions?

>>4978290
you know exactly why that post was deleted

Freaking Love D4T.

>>4978296
is that sarcasm.

>>4978297
No

>>4978121
leegma what?

>>4978296
I wish the multiplayer went in a different direction, it was basically QC lite until QCDE came out, dbt could’ve made it its own thing

>>4978295
I didn't even see it. Unless it was child porn or unironic spam, but let's face it, I've seen jannies delete certain replies for just being an unpopular opinion

What is the difference beween GZDoom Builder and Doom Builder X?

>>4978308
>I didn't even see it but let's throw a tantrum, just in case

>>4978042
where can I get this mod and the hud??
please respond

>>4978312
gzdoom builder bugfix supports advanced gzdoom features such as 3D floors, slopes, models, voxels, textures definitions, etc

>>4978315
Yeah just in case it was someone saying something nice about Doom 3 or claiming that Brutal Doom might actually not be a bad mod

>>4978308
>>4978315
>why do comments get deleted for no reason here? is this fucking r*ddit?

This was the post

>>4978296
I think I have given up on D4T, even though I really wanted to love it. I don't really like how most of the D44M enemies behave in this, especially since iwads and pwads seem to be much more confined than D44M is, and drops hardly work when you use any enemy replacer.

>>4978293
That one with Eddie Murphy?
Monster House? Which was a 3D animated movie about three kids and some old man i guess

>>4978339
>>/vr/thread/4977940#p4977950

>>4978328
>>4978328
>>4978328
SOMEONE TELL ME PLEASE

>>4978328
When there's a proper Beta.

The HUD is NC-HUD

>>4978343
Fuck, this was someone's thumbnail for a YT video
Just wanted to post a flash game i played once

>>4978345
imagine being so unable to handle the bantz

>>4978348
can't you see is a fucking work in progress, you you niggurat

>>4978293
sweet home

>>4978341
You should try some addons then.they change and tweak the experience a bit.

But it's expected when you take game with a different level design to another.
Try Moddb you might find something.

Is Chex Quest the only true 'Doom Jr.'?

>>4978414
The Tacobell floppy fps was the only other unless you count Catacombs 3D.

>>4978286
can anybody help?

>>4978286
Freedoom phase 1

>>4978286

>>4978414
I.M. Meen is more of a Wolfenstein Jr., if anything.

Can anyone recommend some classic wads/megawads to jam in Crispy Doom? I'm looking for stuff similar to Lost Episodes of Doom and Perdition's Gate.

>>4978486
For a second there I thought that was like, a baked potato with DOOM carved into it

>>4978495

>>4978331
Do you need to set up a cdg to get 3d models to show up in gzdoombuilder or is there a way to get that through the modeldef/decorate/zscript lumps?

>>4978561

https://sites.google.com/site/sicamoresshack/doom-stuff/the-art-of-3d-models

worked for me

From the Quake wiki about Doomguy in Quake 3:

"In the chat lines he also get mentioned as "Mad man", "Loony" and "Schitzo". When he's losing the match, you can witness him losing levels of his sanity. Talking about voices from the pitch, massacres in the corridors of UAC and dead friends. You'll see that he's a reckless war veteran, even if he's called a lunatic, don't turn your back to him or he'll make you pay for your foolishness."

I've tested it and apparently it's true,I've fought him on Hurt me Plenty on Anarki arena.At first it was pretty easy then he started to get pretty tough,then when I was close to win,he made a comeback and almost reached me. Damn.

I've did the same with Phobos,he did a comeback later on but not nearly on Doomguy's level.He didn't have the same accuracy.

I know that Phobos is tier 1 and Doomguy is tier 6 but I've always thought that they were nothing more than palette swaps.That's really cool.

Any dope ANSI art ENDOOM screens? Anyone got a collection of them?

>>4978302
Not much man, how are you?

>>4977836
THUMP for Thief

I found it
the perfect fit for LTG
Kama Sutra
well more like HDoom but that isnt as fun

What do you guys think of a map with the gimmick that there's a gauntlet room available from the very start, but that it locks you in and pushes you to your limits, so the objective of the map is to go around to smaller rooms collecting weapons and ammunition in a kind of freeform way in order to get strong enough to tackle the final room when you feel ready?

Like, you start with a pistol, there's a room with imps that rewards a shotgun and some ammo, a room with shotgunners and a chaingunner that rewards the chaingun and ammo, some kind of non-combat but deadly challenge that rewards armor, etc. ?

>>4978662

It's a cool concept but you need to make sure to effectively communicate to the player that they can build up supplies or skip to later rooms.

Is there a mod that adds a lives system where you can game over?

>>4978371
I tried two and they didn't really do anything for me, I'll try again some time later to see if they do anything for me then.

>>4978687
Yeah, I'm thinking a hallway or circular hub area with non-linear offshoots, and strict ammo counts that the difficulty levels would take care of. Maybe have it such that you can only miss ~20% of shots on UV before you're in trouble, and require 100% accuracy on Nightmare? Would be interested to see a speedrun of that kind of map, and how few resources a really good player would need to beat the final room.

>>4978693
I think Contra Doom had a lives system. Might be wrong.
There's also this thing I made long ago.
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4378
Kinda wish I could go back to it. And maybe make a gzdoom version.
Literally Babby's first Doom mod, though. Don't expect much balance.

>>4978286

RTC-3057

Are there any mods that enhance coop play in general making it less of a freeplay-esque distraction? Something like Halo where if one player dies they can't respawn if the other is in immediate danger?

>>4978756
Or, you know, I could turn Survival Coop on

It's funny that the BFG9000 is even that iconic, when part of its design was some toy used at id and the same goes for some other weapons too
Just imagine being whatever poor factory came up with those cheap toys and realizing a bunch of nerds used it to make iconic weapons for a big video game

>>4978785

The person who designed it would probably be stoked that it's so famous. I also don't think that poor factory workers are the ones creating the designs.

>>4978687
No one should ever use that ceiling flat unironically.

>>4978003
Pretty much.
Unless the fellow spics here follow the Bolivarian dream of union and friendship, which i doubt.

>>4978014
Doomguy: Chad
Doomslayer:chadder
Doometernalslayer: chaddest

>>4978870
doomslayer is cheese?

>>4978874
Oh fuck didn't notice that kek

I immensely love discovering Counter-Strike's origins and the creator's previous works. Like before Action Quake 2, there was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOwPcmcOSNY

It looks super sick.

>>4978894
You know it's a shame.
I really haven't touched much of Quake or it's mods in comparison to Doom.

jesus colorful hell is such a shitshow

>>4978906
Not enough legendary monsters with "epic" music and 800 guns to please you?

>>4978038
Unless they're coming for you from reaaaally far away, the chaingun really doesn't have the firepower to pull this off. Weakest vidya chaingun ever.

>>4978910

>>4978906
It's a mod perfect to make broken gameplay mods actually fun.

quick
what's a way to restart a coop map if all players are dead in GZDoom

>>4978943
Russian Overkill makes colorful hell a joke though.

>>4978946
changemap command
unless you mean on the mod side of things, in which case maybe look at how hideous destructor implements lives

>>4978741
It still amazes me that RTC-3057 was from 2003.

>>4978341
I don't even use the D4 enemies and I've given up for completely different reasons, mostly the bugs with it giving allmap for no reason and his insistence on shoving in features that don't belong there.

Are there any good mods/TCs that pit you against human opponents, like in ww-terror?

>>4977940
Doom WAD where you fight as an autobot fighting mostly decepticons WHEN?

Hexen and its expansion are great fun. There's something really satisfying about blasting these flaming assholes out of the sky with my chilly-fingers technique, and then seeing them burst into a million pieces upon impact with the floor.

>>4978902
Eh. To be fair while there's still a lot of good Quake mods, I'd say for every Quake mod there's 100x Doom mods. It's just so much easier to customize.

>>4978943
>colorful hell + high noon drifter

>>4979010
Chocolate Hexen? Patrician

>>4978003
as an Argentine I'm pretty sure we would only shoot "y-you too"s at ourselves

>>4978000
>half of the people here are from Latin America
rriiighhht...

>>4979052
t-this

>>4979052
I'm Chilean and this statement is accurate

I will suck the dick of whoever can make it so I can select -1.5 as a damage modifier for High Noon Drifter. -1 is a bit too high, and -2 is a bit too low.

>>4979042
It always crashed on me at the end of Shadow Wood.

>>4978568
If you dig into the Q3A files, every bot has their own stats for jumpiness, aggressiveness, how likely they are to respond in chat, etc. for every difficulty level, and that's aside from all the unique chat lines (a few of which are general-purpose ones shared by all bots, but many of which are unique to each one).

>>4978060
Marathon uses a system of 'ticks'. A tick IIRC is half of a second, and ticks make the game playable. Ticks are tied to FPS and uncapping it breaks the game, which is why Aleph One is locked at 30.

People may shit on Sandy's Quake maps because they're not as pretty as Romero's or as gloomy as McGee's, but damn if I don't love some of the little setpieces that he made like the miniature diorama in E4M2 that teleports you to the chosen door of its full-size equivalent across the map when you enter it.

>>4978943
>La Tailor Girl
>Regulus the shotgun god
>switch to voidsphere

Someone make a dedicated "Super Shotgun gibs enemies at close range" mod like smooth doom has

I've never played a DOOM game, ever. Theres so many versions, mods and wads etc. I dont really know where to start.
Please help me /vr/.

>>4979160
Just boot up vanilla Doom 1 and start playing

>>4979160
set up your sourceport
get ultimate doom
play it
get doom 2
play it
NOW you can start fiddling with mods and maps

> vanilla before sprinkles

then do the same for heretic and hexen

Is there any WAD that combines DOOM 2 enemies and weapons with DOOM 1 map design?

reminder that if you play with ANY mod that is based off of Perks smooth weapons, like perks smooth weapons, the perks smooth weapons improvement, smoothdoom, etc, you are LITERALLY making the game easier as the supershot fires 2 tics faster than vanilla

>>4977940
TUMP(Thief 1 version of QUMP) WHEN!?

>>4979160

Have you read the "So You Want To Play Some Fucking Doom" image?

>>4979175

The moment you boot ZDoom you're not playing vanilla anymore, so what's even the point?

>>4977940
>>4977941
Demo version of LOTX - a community-optional project (kinda?) released.
Contains:
-R667 assets
-Music (cannot be compressed to midi, sorry)
-3 levels 'completed'- subject to future modification (map01-02, inter01)
-Most maps existing in some form, though others are only basic layout.
-Maps are mostly experimental and tend to have some kind of gimmick.
-Maps are free to edit/modify to your liking; feel free to mess around with the maps yet untouched especially.
-Credits not implemented- won't do until project properly ready.
-Probably a bunch of stuff I failed to mention

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7er793oby62hhb0/LOTX-Demo.rar?dl=0

Feedback appreciated; though immature behavior will be discarded.

>>4979175
hey anon
my SSG has a base damage of 6
my SG spread is 5.0

>>4979189
This image is probably better

>>4979192
I like >>4979189 better personally, it just "fits"

>>4979194
well I probably shouldn't of deleted the map image then. oops.

Entryway of Map02 is displeasing to me but I've no clue how to set the things it's set to do properly otherwise (going down the steps fires off a bunch of triggers, player is supposed to be aware of the baron via it killing the marine on other side of window, etc.), Map02 was probably the worst of the "draw 5 shapes and connect" thing.

>>4979130
IMO, Sandy Petersen maps are in general overhated. They may not be pretty, but they were often very creative and varied. Everyone else kinda followed a formula in their level design, I felt.

>>4979218
They were a chore to play and felt extremely generic. Just thinking about Downtown in Doom 2 makes me dry heave.

>>4979221
>and felt extremely generic
His maps were anything but generic to me.

>>4979221
every "city" map in D2 is terrible, I think Sandy maps are best when he isnt tied by logic or realism, then he can make all sorts of dungeon-crawly things he likes

>>4979194
uh, this was probably it, yes?

>>4979221
>>4979228
Yeah, I like Petersen maps usually, but I can agree that Downtown is definitely bad. His strong point in mapping is making something have a strange and otherworldly vibe to it. Downtown is not this at all, and just comes across as half-baked.

>>4979175
I personally never liked the smooth mods, because they have very awkward looking animations.

>>4979189
I -should- note that the scripts on inter01 took up the majority of the time, gave a stress-induced migraine and they're still not entirely right

>>4979160
vanilla is boring as hell if you don't have the nostalgia factor going, just get this, unzip and launch
https://www.moddb.com/mods/recurring-nightmare/downloads/brutal-doom-hell-on-earth-starter-pack

>>4979360
This idiot didn't know what they were making:
Mars in original? No.
d2016 fast? no.

>>4979365
>>4979360
Nu-doom also has cutscenes literally everywhere.

Flood Zone is cancer. it just gets tiring when every 5 seconds that boss keeps spawning from a wall in a mountain that slides open

>>4979360
This entire post sucks.

>>4979385
Yes.

Reminder that Doom was never MEANT to be played fast

>>4979360
>vanilla is boring as hell if you don't have the nostalgia factor going

Fuck off.

And I'm saying this as someone who thinks nu-doom is at least a solid 8/10.

>>4979389
Reminder that some maps are supposed to be cramped. Walk for a change.

>>4979360
based and redpilled

>>4979360
>implying og doomguy is faceless

>>4979394
not based, bluepilled.

>>4979360
>doomguy
>faceless

His face is literally one of the most iconic things in the game.

>>4979394
take it back to /v/

Is HighNoonDrifter fun?

>>4979360
>Recommending someone play Brutal Doom for a first playthrough
>That image
I don't even hate DOOM 2016, I loved it and am eager for more, yet I still think you should fuck right off entirely.

>>4979410
Yeah.

>>4979416
>>4979406
>>4979398
>>4979396
>>4979395
>falling for obvious bait
this boards is too sheltered

>>4979420
>Thinking he isn't being genuine
Do you know how many secondaries that mod dragged in

>>4979420
We know it's bait, that's why we're collectively telling him to fuck off.
You can fuck off too.

>>4979423
>no, it couldnt be bait, then i wouldnt have something to be righteously indignant about!

>>4979420
>Merely pretending

>>4979416
>imagine being this frustrated over a non vanilla Doom title's success and genuine quality

>>4979440
Are we talking about Final Doomer? Why would anyone be frustrated about that?

>>4979424
>>4979360
Well if the anon clicks the link and sees for himself how good Sarge's EDay is compared to boomer doom you'll have one less brainlet running about muh >timeless purism

>>4979445
fuck off markity moo

Actually, come to think of it. Hey >>4979160 if you're skiddish about jumping right into Doom 1 or 2 straight vanilla, you could always try Final Doomer with the Doom 2 weaponset, though you'll need to keep in mind that the weapons are stronger than vanilla, but it might help you ease into Doom's gameplay a little.

I recommend you just go right into Doom 1 and get a feel for things though. The gameplay is rock solid and make sure to study PRO DOOM STRATS as seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcf0aOwmiA

This video will genuinely teach you some valuable techniques on how to fuck up hellspawn. Welcome aboard anon, Doom is fun.

>>4979447
>everyobe that disagrees with me is Mark
again, let anon be the judge

>>4979160
Let me just shill DRLA for a moment

>>4979189
Do you want a demo for this? If so, in what source port?

>>4979365
d44m is fast.

HEHEUHEHEha

>>4979459
It's GZDoom.
You can make a demo if you like. There's still some glaring issues but I did my best to fix it up.
It's a demo for a larger mapset, people can jump on if they want, basic layouts are generally there

general comments:
map01 originally involved a cyber chase right out of the gate, but it was generally removed, otherwise okay.

map02 is generally not that great, but it was one of the first 'draw 5 shapes and connect' - oldest renditions pictured.

inter01 has some bugs in the script and is rather experimental; hard to convey the theme, would be easier if 100% of map was semi-transparent, textures and all, intended to experiment for a future theme.

>>4979487

>>4979487
oh fuck
now i remember
my sides

Reminder:

So um.
This was in Doom Eternal gameplay

>>4979504
>doot76
please let that be what i think

>>4979504
And this.

>>4979507
We MOP now?

>>4979509
We what?

>>4979510
old master of puppets had marines actually have to level their shit instead of getting everything from the get go. was better.

basically co-op but you can play as a puppetmaster and take over demons.

all it needs is a sprinkle of Zombie Master

>>4979516
Then no.
We Dark Souls now.

Hmm...
Doom Slayer = DS
Dark Souls = DS
DS = DS
Doom Slayer = Dark Souls!
HMMmMmMmmMmmMMMmmMm!

...
...
Nintendo DS!
HMMMMMMMM

>>4978870
Doom3guy: cheddar

> CALL IT THAT
It seems Joel doesn't know about "Eternal Doom" the wad.

why does /vr/ hate brutal doom?

> That post doesn't exist anymore.

>>4979189
I thought you fucked off to some other site.

>>4979189
>41mb for three maps
Fucking hell.

>>4977967
After Mill the game gradually starts to get worse and worse. Not every map past this point is bad, but the worst is yet to come.

>>4978280
At the moment my favorite mapset is Icarus. Been going through the Top 100 on Doomworld and picking what seems like fun.

>>4979557
Maybe he does but doesn't think it's very important.

>>4978286
Daedalus

>>4979610
This is kind of true.
I love TNT a lot, but the last third is, as someone once put it, 'Where it just officially starts falling apart.'

>>4978693
You can screw around with the Survival mode settings in Zandronum to recreate having lives.

>>4978948
Russian Overkill is an exception because it's designed to be as deliberately OP as possible

>>4979010
Whenever I play a mod that has a weapon with Hexen's freeze effect I usually end up using nothing but that until it runs out of ammo. Good shit.

>>4979620
I love how as soon as you get to Hell the gameplay goes to hell with it. It almost feels intentional.

>>4976673
Some people are hopeless casuals and refuse to adapt to a different enemy, because it's largely a weak one, and when they bite the dust, they thus feel cheated.

A lot of people also somehow make the assumption that using cover ever is ugly and wrong, just because a lot of generic modern game feature inorganic cover mechanics as their core gameplay (and then assert this is good reasoning, in spite of strafing around a corner not being even remotely the same as pressing a contextual prompt that makes you sit statically behind a chest-high wall, because "COVER IS FOR COWARDS")
Dodging behind a pillar to avoid taking a face full of buckshot, is somehow not a good course of action, it's instead the dev's fault that all enemies aren't just throwing slow projectiles like imps.

Most of these people got into the game in more recent years, then because of exposure to terrible attempts at realistic shooters, and hearing fairytales about oldschool shooters, come into old games like Doom and Duke Nukem 3D, with warped expectations.

In short, if they'll gladly maneuver to put a baron of hell between themselves and a mancubus, to make fatty hit muscles, and watch muscles slap fatty's ass, or get into hiding when flameboi starts working his devil magic, why would they just as well not put level architecture between themselves and a zombie with a shotgun? Because they one way or another have the expectation that they shouldn't have to.

>>4979652
idk man kill the zombie first, ez

>>4979673
I mean exactly.
Guy can hurt you pretty bad if he scores a full hit on you, and if RNG isn't being very merciful, but he's also very fragile, why WOULDN'T you make him a priority target?
Why WOULDN'T you go you of your way to avoid getting hit by him, and to kill him as soon as possible?

>>4979424
>We know it's bait, that's why we're all biting and giving him what he wants!
Sound logic.
>telling him to fuck off
Oh because that's bound to work, right? What is this, Dora the Explorer?

>>4979691
You can fuck off too.

>>4979365
Doom 2016 is faster than the original.

>>4979692
Nah.

>>4979695
Doom 4 is by no means slow, but the original game can be pretty stupidly fast if you put the effort in.
You have straferunning, wallrunning, rocket 'jumping', really fast enemies like the archie, cyber and lost soul, etc.

I mean there's theoretical scenarios where you strafe+wall run at high speed, and an arch-vile then launches you into the air, where you can fucking leap great distances.

>>4979695
Isn't this the arcade mode with juiced up runes? Something a first time player through the normal mode wouldn't have access to?

>>4979701
>can be pretty stupidly fast if you put the effort in.
But not as fast as Doom 4 where you can shoot 2 imps with a shotgun the moment it takes you to shoot one in the original.

>>4979695
>seven enemies in 23 seconds in the cherrypicked arcade mode with optimized runes
you are like a little baby
watch this
i'm not even good at doom

>>4979710
You dodge the pinkies decently.

>>4979718
imagine if i was actually good though

>>4979727
doom 4 is a fine game
but if you think it's faster than the original then you haven't played the original

>>4979136
>LTG
>ok I will enter the mancubi room, shoot my flak cannon and get out
>oh shit my cure outfit is gone
>oh hi super chaingunner I didnt see you up there

>>4976673
high noon drifter has a dodge slide and this mod is meant for it. being able to shoot at cowboys while seeing their bullets whiz by the top of your hat is cool.

>>4979652
mappers aren't braindead idiots who let you take cover for chaingunner ambushes or snipers nests. even in encounters against a single chaingunner, rng for pain chance means that shotguns and chainguns will still let them sneak in a shot or two or six.

>>4979360
a sticking point for me on these things is that id never publicly released their authoring tools for Doom. Everything was reverse-engineered by hackers. The very first custom WAD was created by hand in a hex editor in 1994.

Decades later someone found DoomEd and idBSP on a NeXTcube someone found in a dumpster but id never publicly released it.

Also, comparing custom WAD authoring tools, dehacked, etc. to Snapmap is laughable.

>>4979710
I dunno if monster deaths per second is the way to go for "speed" in a game.
Racing games are pretty fast and you almost never kill demons in them.
The monsters in Doom 2016 are faster monster. It necessitates dodging more, and from faster projectiles. Conversely your move speed in OG Doom is faster, and monsters go down quicker, but can be just as threatening if used correctly.

Might not be worth debating which is faster since the idea could mean different things with different weights to their relevance.

>>4979846
>id never publicly released their authoring tools for Doom
Carmack released the entire source code in like, 1998 or something, and people quickly developed tools from that.

>but id never publicly released it
That shit would only run on NeXTSTEP anyway, what value would it be to anyone who wasn't the tiny minority with a machine like that?

>>4979859
I think that level design is one of the key questions here, actually.
Like, original Doom is a fairly easy game, for the most of it, but if you look even something like just Plutonia, it dials up the gameplay a lot, not even going into usermade megawads like Alien Vendetta or Hell Revealed.

>>4979175

I play with default -fast anyway

that's how I die and I die and I die, is not even funny at a point, I should discuss this with my psychologist and ask her if she play with -fast too

I retract everything bad I said about Colorful Hell and issue an apology to God, Allah, Bishnu, Satan and the entire Greek pantheon and the Norse deities.

This is so fucking fun and just needed to stop being a faggot and go with Trailblazer oh jesus fuck
even if it most of the time it ends being a moderate challenge because fuck if anything is going to stop a Pillow character
I had such a huge grin in my face

>>4979710
>not playing UV-Fast

https://youtu.be/TAjTuEROrb0?t=1h40m10s
1:40:10-2:01:45

>>4979189
you know, it's not rocket science making a .midi

>>4979860
While it's true that people made source ports, etc. from the code, people were using map editors that were reverse-engineered long before that. UAC Military Nightmare, Memento Mori, DWANGO5, Perdition's Gate, Aliens TC, Final Doom, etc. were all created with tools reverse-engineered from the game, without the aid of source code.

>>4979863
Plutonia in particular necessitates movement with it's liberal use of chaingunners and revenants.

If you had a character move as fast as doomguy in a proper 3d engine with realistic graphics, with proper item scales etc, it would look like he's a goddamn super hero. There wouldn't be many other ways to explain it away...

how I do remove the extra enemies of colourful hell?
I just wanted colored default enemies

hey guys do you want to see an obscure video of mine where there's a friend playing blood and me playing the harmonica?

>>4979815
Don't let them get the drop on you, darling.

>>4979954
?
How about literally just LOOKING IN THE FUCKING OPTIONS???

>>4979960
am asking because I don't see any option

>>4979962

the optionals should also be off by default
if all else fails you can check your ini file for the ch_ cvars

>>4979960
ok, I dungoofed my gzdoom somehow

>>4979972
I updated my gzdoom
I think it was the ex bosses option, I don't know what that means anyway

>>4979954
>>4979972
I didnt even know colorful had extra enemies besides the Doom roster
it should be a bit of spice to add to trailblazer

>>4979958
Yes

>>4979958
No.

>>4979958
Maybe

>>4979958
I don't know.

>>4979958
rev up the brightness so it's not so obscure

>>4979958
Ask again later.

How can I take screenshots on Quake Spasm?
I tried the console 'screenshot' and took one but with the console visible and it was .tga

>>4980098
That's a mighty handsome rifle.

>>4980098
probably want to bind screenshot to a key

>>4980098
Welcome to open GL, peon.

Bind a key to screenshot

Derp

>>4980103
I could bind console commands to keys?
Pretty cool.

>>4980102
It's pretty neat. At least as a curiosity.
Looks badass, and has a lot of perplexing features.

If you're interested in mechanics and history, here's a video going over it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_av1zBdnxXY

>>4980106
>>4980103
>>4980106
it was already there by default, F12 .

>>4980056
>>4980060
you ruined a potential malcolm combo
>>4980038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZKyFRPPX2Q
by the way i am the original creator of this picture. the masking sucks but i was too high when i did it. i love to talk with you guys abot those games that only leaves me with sperm in the body.

>>4980126
This video is wonderful, thank you.

>>4980129
no man, thank you. i really appreciate it

>>4980132
it looks like some other dude in the room playing something else, do you guys just get together to play games? that sounds like a lot of fun

Dr. Hayden, I'm UAC.

>>4980135
Yes, when he has some times we often play games like doom, heretic, blood, strife, quake, hexen, duke nukem, shadow warrior, unreal, blake stone, rise of triads, powerslave, redneck rampage and so on. We don't mind more "recent" games like POSTAL 2, but what is essential for us is hearing the OSTs or if possible 80s dance hall, power ballads and so on, 60s/70s rock, 20s/30s and up with the blues and if there's the occasion we put on some heavy metal, vintage or recent, but for the latter we prefer experimental stuff in the sector of thrash metal, armonic and more. So yes, fundamentally what we do is playing old games. I wanted to be on theme FPS but we've played tons and tons of hours on games like Crash Bash, Crash Team Racing and other PS1/PS2 games.

>>4980149
that sounds like a blast, man. none of my irl friends give a shit about retro shooters. if they do play games it's recent stuff for xbox 1 or ps4. what country are you from? also if you arent already in, would you like an invite to the blood discord?

>>4980157
yeah, i know that feel. it's very rare to find someone who plays the same games as you do, and often even if they do play them they're douchebags. that's not the case with the guy i've registered that video, though. i'm a pizza spaghetti faggot, unluckily. But of course you can add me on the discord; i don't give a damn leaving my current discord ID here if i'm being honest, so here it is: BigSmegma#9088

Not /vr/ but is Wolfenstein 2: TNC good? What are some of the issues the game has?

>>4980201

the first half is decent.
the second half, nooot so much.

the upgrades come a little bit too late into the game, they make you feel like you're playing doom 2016 but without everything that makes doom 2016 good.

the most lackluster ending of all wolfenstein games so far.

>>4979160
try beautiful doom, you will love it

>>4980201
it's not great. combat is tedious and involves a lot of hiding and leaning out of cover. story sucks compared to wolf TNO. levels are mostly pretty dull and doesn't do much with the setting (where the the insanely oversized public works projects?) overall it's skippable.

>>4980201
It's good but not great IMO. The ending isn't all that good (aside from one specific part in the final cinematic). The story is great and I love all the old and new characters but the level design in particular falls flat compared to TNO and TOB.

If you like the New Wolf games, I recommend it, but it's nothing to write home about, which is a real shame.

>>4979929
>starts list of classic WADs with a terrywad from 2008
ok buddy

>>4979360
I didn't start playing 1993 Doom until a couple of years ago. I honestly prefer it over 2016 Doom

>>4980107
someone else said F12 is bound to screenshot but in the future, "bind [key] [action]" is the syntax you use for binding actions to keys. Keep in mind [action] can be any console command, though you'll want to encapsule it in quotation marks if you're executing a console command with arguments.

Sup retro neighbors. Let's talk about retro raibus

>>>/vg/224770610

honk /llsifg/!: >>>/vg/224664603

>>4980229
You are filth, sir.

>>4979846
>a sticking point for me on these things is that id never publicly released their authoring tools for Doom. Everything was reverse-engineered by hackers. The very first custom WAD was created by hand in a hex editor in 1994.
>Decades later someone found DoomEd and idBSP on a NeXTcube someone found in a dumpster but id never publicly released it.
id Software released the source code to their internal node builder tool in May 1994.

>>4980229
why this

>>4980224
ahhhh shit I meant Doomsday of UAC

>>4980234
Okay, but not WAD authoring tools.

>>4980229
>his waifu is a raibu
Poor taste.

>>4980167
great fucking WAD

>>4977940
I'd love to see a Transformers TC WAD for either DOOM1 or DOOM2.

>>4980258
It's pretty, but it descends into mindless slaughtershit. Boring.

>>4980306
That's kind of Skillsaw to you, he's fond of quantity over quality when it comes to enemy placement, IMO.

>>4979894
Trailblazer is my favorite pillow mod, and it's almost necessary to play it with colorful hell.

>>4979846
Yeah, it's funny how Doom ended up being the most modded retro FPS when it didn't even come with a level editor like many others did.

>>4980241
They basically gave people the tools to make their own tools. It was a great decision all around. Low effort on id's part as they didn't have to develop or support anything, and users got the features they wanted because they were the people making the editors in the first place.

>>4979915
You really don't understand. Some claim it changes too much. It would be on the same line as trying to midi aphex twin's "come to daddy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOeIgi4VUcw

>opengl renderer on latest GZDoom, enemy + decoration sprites missing
>try same settings with GZDoom v1.9, everything's fine

Im having some issues with gzdoom,for some reason any wad that i play crashes when i push the next level button(it works fine on the old doom2 wad)im running out of patience here.Im thinking i just delete everything and play doom1 and doom2 forever on chocolate doom

>>4980421
Truly Graf needs to be dumped.

>>4980441
Delete gzdoom and never play it again.

>>4980441
Never had that issue before. Crazy. Don't think I can help you, sorry.

>>4980421
Do you have an ATI card?

>>4980445
I heard it's because a driver update was bugged.

say you get a Wand of Impossible Doom Wishes, what do toy wish for?

>a third character for La Tailor Girl, this time a buff lady
>speaking of buff ladies: playable Basilissa in HND
>BURL TUMD returning from the dead
>proper fucking mod tools for Doom Eternal and not snapmap 2.0
>Goind Down 2: GOING UP

>>4980524
>>proper fucking mod tools for Doom Eternal and not snapmap 2.0
Snapmap definitely aint coming back, thats confirmed. But we don't know if actual mod tools are coming either. They said that mod support is a "long-term" goal and the engine is more ready for them, but didn't specify whether it'd happen for DE.

>>4980524
Terminus Samsara with all term mods beingh completed standalone and Hdoom compatible with monster mods (by that i mean you can have female variations of every mosnter) alternatively, final doomer classes for more megawads!

>>4980524
A full and complete H-Doom, also including lolis, tentacles and a genderswapped mode, so I can watch a cute Doomgirl tomboy get gangbanged by Barons.

Good thing I have nvidia

>>4980441
Post it on the ZDoom tech support forum.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=50

>>4979490
Here's a demo of map01 on GZ 3.4.1.0
http://www.mediafire.com/file/xuducusuoop14v1/LOTX.lmp/file

As someone who plays almost exclusively vanilla or vanilla-like mods, I have to admit I was a bit overwhelmed by this. It's certainly purty, though I started out not realizing that I picked up a second pistol, nor could I immediately tell where the keycard was supposed to go (or that it was a keycard at all, actually). Also, by virtue of it being a GZDoom map, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be jumping/crouching. It's nice, just a little much for someone like me. I don't know if that's meaningful criticism because you may not be making a mod for someone like me. I can record some more demos of the later levels if you want them.

>>4980524
>a third character for La Tailor Girl, this time a buff lady
what about a cute boi?

>>4980554
a trap would be welcome but I imagine the LTG dev is straight
a buff girl or a tomboy as the other anon suggested would be more approachable

>>4977940
Why is there no Quakebuilder, nor a worthy Build engine equivalent?

>>4980571
>Why is there no Quakebuilder
Is Trenchbroom not good enough for you? It can even make Hexen 2 maps.
>nor a worthy Build engine equivalent
Because most Build engine games did not release any source code, making developing editors for them very difficult (and many have significantly different map formats so eg. you can't just open a Blood map in Duke's Mapster).

>>4978115

the lion is yaldabaoth

>>4980524
A boy character for La Tailor Girl. With most costumes themed after various superheroes and shounen characters.
> Obvious comic book costumes: Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, etc.
> Shonen: Naruto, Luffy, Goku, etc.
> Some other anime genres, probably harem.
> Tokusatsu!
> > Ultraman, atleast one costume
> > Super Sentai/ Power Rangers outfits, probably only red ones?
> > Kamen Rider! Ichigo, Decade, Ex-Aid, etc.

>>4980562

Honestly a cute enough trap I dont mind tho I'm not into it as much, a buff girl is also alright as long as its not over muscular
loli or shota character is out of question tho, but character that is petite overall and/or tomboyish would be okay.

However the thing is; It'd be third character, that would be way too much work

If I were to make third one, in most likely case it would be tomboyish not too shapey girl character that is shorter than both, and looks a bit androgynous and has some visible muscularity in the arms and abs, a short sporty girl.

but once more, third character is too much work with all the outfits in so far
Unless she'd get no outfit bonuses and was completely boring

How the fuck do I play the Doom 2 Master Levels in Doomsday Engine/Jdoom?

>>4980635
Why would you want to use those source ports anyway?

>>4979010
>>4979042
I absolutely loved this game. Only thing I wish is that it had more enemies to fight but the four weapon limit didn't even bother me much at all. In fact it probably works well to the games benefit to have kept it to 4 weapons. Maybe 5 or 6 could have worked but the game was definitely balanced around each character not having a huge arsenal so anymore than 6 would have been redundant. Perhaps more characters to play as would have worked well though. I liked the necromancer and hunter in the wrath of cronos mod.

what're some good doom wads to play at 320x200 with keyboard only controls? getting bored of rekkr

>>4980671
Has anyone made a mod, where you can have all weapons with one hybrid class? Of course it should have more different kinds of ammo than just green and blue mana.

>>4980606
>in most likely case it would be tomboyish not too shapey girl character that is shorter than both, and looks a bit androgynous and has some visible muscularity in the arms and abs, a short sporty girl.
I would be perfectly happy with that, if the day ever comes thats it, I just recently realized you even made made 3rd person models for every outfit when I was playing, that must be an insane amount of work

maybe you could do summons instead like Basilissa, but then again, its lot of work, its understandable
also milf

>>4980674
Some 90s wads maybe? https://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/. Many people played with keyboard only back then.

>>4980545
Or even better, cute Doomgirl getting fingered and licked by demon girls.

>>4980678
I don't know actually since I haven't been playing it or many games at all lately. That would be a fun mod to play. You know if there are any wads for it where it has Doom style key hunts with levels instead of hub worlds and not switch pulling?

>>4980545
BARRONED.COM

>>4980694
Don't know about that either. Haven't actually played any Hexen mods at all. Just the original game and it's expansion as they are.

>>4980649
It's my favorite one.

>>4980703
Doesn't GZdoom have all their features nowadays?

>>4980707
What's your beef with it? I just like how its pure vanilla with nice dynamic lighting and color.

>>4980707
It's got this apparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EdEcgDGS_Q

>>4980691
That works too, let's make something for all the boys and girls, loli/shota or grown.

Boners for everyone!

>>4980524
>speaking of buff ladies: playable Basilissa in HND

What sort of playstyle would be good for her?

>>4980719
>the animations on those ettins
Jesus christ, that's awful, the Sapphire wand and serpent staff look great at least. Those torches look pretty good too.

>>4980719
>The ettin model

>>4980719

>>4979742
it sits at an even pace with the originals in regards to combat, maybe a bit faster. I didn't really feel any slower in it than I do on classic even though you're nowhere near as fast as og doomguy, but then again not everyone has the same playstyle.

>>4980719
You can find a better example of fast classic doom gameplay than that.
https://youtu.be/72S2aAxtZOs

>>4980758
What

>>4980758
did you uh, misquote?

>>4979742
>>4980758

>>4980758
>classic

>>4980758
wow cool thanks for bringing up about the game outside of context for no reason whatsoever so as to make folk who like it look bad.

>>4980775
If you think I was saying doom 4 is classic doom then you might be retarded and desperately lacking in reading comprehension.

>>4980719
Those weapon models actually look pretty cool. But the enemies... Yeesh. It's hard to make good-looking character models in the first place, but then they get slapped into these rudimentary animations because of the engine's limitations. It's just going to look terrible no matter what.

>>4980758
you misposted this link twice lmao i was in that thread anon

>>4980786
So sorry I didn't get your out-of-context misquoted reply there buddy.

>>4980524

>classic doom rewritten from scratch to modern engine standards
>.bsp support
>16 rotations + up and down rotations
>improved ai (under water movement, ladders, etc)
>an unreal like mutator system to be able to load a gorillion mods at the same time without dividing the universe by zero

>>4980571
use trenchbroom you piece of niggu

>>4980821
>Out of context
It was in response to a chain about doom 4's speed vs doom I+II. I wasn't even saying Doom 4 was fast, I was saying you can find faster gameplay from the old games than the video I posted. Fucking retard.

>>4980832
In Doom 4 you can shoot 2 imps with a shotgun in the time it takes you to shoot one in the original. 3 if you count the burst fire upgrade. You can send yourself flying crazy fast by blasting your behind with the gauss cannon. It's so much faster it's not even funny. Your own video makes you a disservice. To claim the original is faster because of, I don't know, straferunning, is the most shallow possible viewpoint you could have.

Also, people are confused because you replied to a post talking about 3d hexen models instead of the reply chain you're talking about.

>>4980832
Don't talk shit, you accidentally replied to my Hexen post instead the relevant chain.

>>4980635
So nobody knows? I've scoured the entire fucking internet and haven't found a thing. This is driving me insane.

>>4980854
>you
So you've identified who anonymous is, huh?

>>4980758
this anon is replying to the dude that killed 15 enemies in 23 microseconds

>>4980719
models should be the lowest poly possible and those animations sucks but not because engine limitations

Those giant tentacles in the sky in the city levels of Eternal. Are we going into Sandy's City?

>>4980758
what
>>4980875
what

Thoughts of an encounter vs multiple Mancubus where you're forced to pick up a blur sphere before entering their arena?

>>4980898

>>4979710
>>4979727

>>4980901
You're a bad person if you do this.

>>4980901
incredibly rude
I'd wait out the blursphere if at all possible

The actual arena has yet to be realized, but this is the basic idea. Running across stepping stones while invisible and having a gang of big guys shooting at you.

>>4980904
>>4980901
How did they fuck up so badly that a powerup is actually detrimental to the player?

>>4980918
It's great against hitscanners. Bad against projectiles

>>4980920
>Bad against projectiles
So most enemies then.

And they actually give you 4 of them in a level where there's no hitscanners at all.

>>4980921
I think at that point they're doing it intentionally to fuck with you.

I wonder, could D44M and, by extension, Eternal be a covert attempt at providing a thorough redpill on the entirety of the extent of HL1's influence over the FPS genre? To completely refute the corresponding ideology of FPS design, not leaving a single stone unturned?

>>4980923
I doubt that, they most certainly legitimately thought it was helpful. Because it CAN possibly help you and they most likely thought the barrage of 4 mancubi and later on arachnotron might be too much for the player, but more often than not you're better off not using it.

>>4980903
those aren't microseconds

>>4980924
what

>>4980915
this is devilish

>>4980936
you are right anon, those are not microseconds and I suck cyberdemon cock

>>4980921
Bad against projectiles, but great against one of the most annoying enemies in the game.
Also people didn't really master the concept of both moving and shooting back in the 90s.

how would you call your retro fps?

>>4980950
>but great against one of the most annoying enemies in the game.
But, again, they're less common than regular projectile enemies and they even give you blurspheres around said enemies. It just reeks of lack of testing.

>>4980948
>I suck cyberdemon cock
fag

>>4980948
well uh, I guess that's a way to take it. you do you.

>>4980524
Zandronum being updated, rising over GZDoom and ending Graf's reign.

>>4980948
what I meant to say was that the footage was a bit longer than the nudoom one

it mainly has to do with the fact that enemies soak up more damage, particularly the zombies. also the game doesn't throw many enemies your way in that specific portion

>>4980982
There's plans to have Zandronum be absorbed with GZDoom, actually. Graf will be forever in charge

>>4980795
The wttina are from another mod iirc. The animations have nothing to do with engine limitations, they're just shit.

The weapons look nice as hell, but a bit out of place. The animations on them could be a bit better too.

>>4980995
>wrrina
Fucking phone, what even is that.
Ettins.

>colorful hell doesn't work properly with ancient aliens
Anyone know why this would be? It does the same thing with Sunlust as well.

>>4981034
AA and Sunlust change the color palette to achieve their visuals. BTSX does it too.

>>4981034
Palettes.

>>4981034
looks brutal

Just finished TNTR with Trailblazer and Colorful Hell
It was a wild ride, it started alright, by the middle it was a fucking joyful riot, and it kinda mellowed out at the end, I didnt like the last row of maps as much and I became way too powerful even playing at max difficulty and enabling shit like abyssal monsters, I got Bellenus spawning in one map and I just abused the slowmo elephant gun on his ass
I ended up drowning in scrap and ammo, and most of the weapons became kinda useless because the upgraded minigun is god, along with the elephant gun

still, it was great, now I wonder what else I should take for a spin

>>4979695
Bandicam.com

>>4981074
>Just finished TNTR with Trailblazer and Colorful Hell
I once did that two times

>>4981074
Yeah, whenever I try Trailblazer and Colorful Hell with anything I always end up just relying heavily on the shotgun that uses the yellow/orange ammo pickups since that ammo is just lying everywhere and it kills basically anything once it is fully upgraded. I still like it, but it usually ends up the same.