/vr/ - Retro Games

Yes

>>4977138
There's no fall damage in Sonic 2

huh.

>>4977154

>>4977154

Does /vr/ realize that Sega was never good, and that anyone saying anything positive about it even at the time is pure contrarianism?

>>4977138
If turtles behave similarly to Sonic the pinball, an impact at terminal velocity is completely harmless.

>>4977454
If you play a Sonic game with emulator rewind and compare it to a Nintendo platformer, you'll immediately see Sonic grants the player much less agency. You'll need to rewind much further to correct most mistakes. That's why Sonic games aren't fun. You're not controlling them nearly as much. It's like Dragon's Lair that way.

>>4977454
It's also true about 4chan, so no.

>>4977591
Sonic the Hedgehog was the first movie-game.

>>4977591
>>4977617
>get on the wrong pipe in Chemical Plant Zone
>can't jump to the other despite both being drawn on the same 2D plane
Did any previous games do that?

>>4977591
>if you cheat through the game with this new emulator trick, it's not fun
Wow, who would have guessed.

>>4977454
Does /vr/ realise that Nintendo's importance is grossly overblown by retro "historians", some of the most classic PC games came out during the "video game crash", and they've all fallen for advertising?

>>4977454

Playtime's over. Back to IGN with you.

>>4977651
I'm saying it reveals something about the game that makes it not fun on an actual Genesis.

>>4977654
This comment being a prime example of said contrarianism.

..Isn't Sonic (supposedly) being more punishing a point in its favor? I don't like most of the games but it sounds like you're complaining about needing to plan your routing a tad better for a good stage run. Which is weird.

>>4977668
Only if it's a design principle rather than a design flaw.

>>4977673
It's a momentum-based pinball game so I guess angling your shots is fine? As long as we aren't basing its level design based on the ill-informed "just run right" idea.

>>4977668
I prefer games to be more like NES Metroid which is punishing but never takes away control from the player.

>>4977591
>>4977659
"grants the player much less agency", yeah we can see bullies weren't doing their job when they didn't kick the snot out of you when you were a kid.

It's hard to imagine that there is someone out there so retarded he to come up with this and think it made sense. That's not how logic works you hardcore autistic spastic.

>>4977683
I'm an avid Metroid player myself and I'm more versed in it than I am the 2 good Sonic games. That said, I'm not vibing with you on Sonic being out of your control. You manipulate momentum to your will based on positioning. That's pretty fair.

>>4977689
Sicing a bully on him would only make him bitter and find himself ever -more- right because he believes he's "persecuted".

Source: accidentally bullied someone into being a non-ironic conspiratist.

>>4977689
I was just talking about the gameplay's granularity, sleemo

>>4977154

>>4977654
>if someone hates Sega, then they MUST be nintendo fanboys

>>4977689

>implying he knows what he's talking about and isn't spouting buzzwords he heard in an "intellectual game analysis" youtube video because they make him sound smart

>>4977138
Of course, that's how he gets off

>>4977154
Thank god this is not Bubsy or those turtles would be dead

>>4977591
The point of sonic isn't simply speedrunning though. The devs almost never take control away from the player, even in the fast moving "hold right" running sections you can and should jump off at certain points to find hidden items, pathways, and bonus levels. A lot of the game is about player driven exploration.

IMO the shields powerups in Sonic 3 were the most fun mechanic the series ever got and they should have just designed the entire game around those powers like they did with Rocky Rodent

>>4977138
They're falling in the water, everyone knows if you fall from any height on a body of water you just got away with a splash and goes swimming.

>>4977454
>He doesn't like Dynamite Headdy

There's a special place in hell for people like you

>>4977154

>>4977591
Sonic was always more about pinball physics than brainless speed. The marketing focused on speed but the games did not. Boost and Adventure are not classic Sonic logically translated into 3D, they're gotta-go-fast simulators with a sonic skin. Instead of physics-based platforming you just spam homing attack. Instead of earning speed through maintaining momentum as you run and bounce through an obstacle course, you just push up and hit max speed in 1 second, then proceed to watch some auti-pilot bullshit until it's time to mash homing attack again.

Physics are fun bitch.

>>4981898
I hated the shields. I thought they eroded the beautiful simplicity of the game.

The genius talking fox flying an airplane probably invented AI-controlled gadgets that would rescue the falling animals

>>4982041
All of my this. I always thought that Super Monkey Ball was the best Sonic game since Sonic & Knuckles. Am I alone in thinking this?

>>4982041
offtopic, but is mania as good as they say?

>>4982309
If you play it without having played all of the classic four (1, 2, 3, and CD) it's a decent sonic game with excellent presentation, music, and very few frustrating segments.

If you have played the originals, it's a godly experience that plays to your knowledge of the old levels and mechanics while also improving upon those things substantially.

I've played it under both circumstamces so I have a unique perspective.

>>4977647
>Did any previous games do that?
Plenty of games sucked before Sonic. This shit never made sense, don't get ahead of yourself.

>>4977138
I now wonder: What is Eggman's backstory? Who are his parents? Is he from Mobius at all? What made him become what he is in the main continuity?

>>4977647
I think some games do that with staircases.

>>4982309
It's pretty good, besides the jarring visual inconsistency of some dithered assets being copied verbatim while others are made properly blended/transparent.

>>4977154
>Falls in sky chase
>loses a live instead of going back a zone

>>4977138

>>4977149
Good.
>>4977154
Winrar.

>>4983868
scrambled brains