/vr/ - Retro Games

A slight chance sure. Hope you are happy to spend 10.000 dollaridoos for a less than trinitron quality crt!

>>4975939
I read on article detailing a type of monochrome (green/black) CRT-ype monitor could be made cheaper than LCD and LED type screens.

Also because they apparently work in extreme temperatures where LCD would boil or freeze.

No idea where to find that article anymore though.

It will happen. They'll aim to product larger models (27"+) that have even better images than the medical PVMs. People who've spent a lot of money and effort collecting old PVMs are going to be in for a lesson on investing.

>>4975971
And the cost of producing a new 28" pvm standard monitor and then sold for a profit would be what? 20000?

>>4975975
Your sentences don't make sense, but you can try again

>>4975939
Absolutely not.

>>4975945
Other display types exist.

>>4976010
Did you catch my drift so to speak?
I guess you did unless you are autistic.

There's still a Taiwanese CRT manufacturer and apparently some are still made in China as well as India.

>>4976040
based 3rd worlders knowing the REAL way to play games / watch DVDs and tapes

>>4976142
Those CRTs are utter shit garbage though; you think they're Wega quality?

>>4975939
>all the other deprecated technologies coming back
You can't emulate a CRT on an ARM microcomputer and put it in a throwback plastic case

>I should market fake CRT looking bezel frames for people to snap onto their LCDs

>>4975939
More likely, we'll see newer tech like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser-powered_phosphor_display

>>4975939
Pretty sure there are laws prohibiting the manufacture and sale of new CRTs in the US for "environmental reasons". Used displays and old stock are grandfather claused in.

>>4976493
>Pretty sure there are laws prohibiting the manufacture and sale of new CRTs in the US
Let's get rid of them then.

>>4976493
You fuckin serious? I live in Europe, it wouldn't be easy at all, but if you really wanted to, I'm sure you could buy a small hyper consumer-grade CRT TV around here, so it's definitely not forbidden to sell them.

>>4976493

Yep, it's because of the lead glass. Same thing in the EU area. Lead isn't allowed even in soldering. It's not illegal but you can't use it in manufacturing.

>>4975939
CRTs aren't easy to produce, being a giant glass tube with a high vacuum and all

>>4976493
>>4976818
If you actually read those regulations as I have you will find there are specific exemptions covering leaded glass used in CRT screens. Probably to allow manufacture for military use but applicable to all.

The real reason is marketing and to reduce transportation/storage costs.

>>4975939
>slight chance
no, it's never going to happen, no matter how many virgin neckbeards wish it were so.

CRTs biggest problem nowadays is not their resolution or weight but their power consumption. LEDs are up to 500% more efficient with electricity, and thats a bigger concern than pleasing people of older gens about old media.

>>4976863
CRTs only take a lot of juice when being powered up. When running, they don't use any more juice than an LCD.

I don't see why not.

>>4976168
>laser
>phosphor
brutal

>>4975939
CRTs are a thing of the past. They have no useful application in today's world.

>>4978040
Melee.

>>4978040
Motion quality.

>>4976585
I live in Europe and they banned plasmas, why not CRTs too?

>>4978260
No, they didn't.

>>4978260
Why live in a Dystopian ShitHole?

>>4978040
Analogue and legacy archival formats. It's hugely important as digital is shit for archiving due obsolete formats that can't be decoded anymore and hard drives being prone to failure

>>4975939
It'll probably never happen, there's no actual demand for it and it's not like tube radios that are still restored for collections. Outside of arcade machine restorations, there isn't really a market for these today.

Instead, remove that cap you wear that says "I am a Nig," and just buy an old CRT at whichever size you need.

>find schematic for said crt
>carefully remove outer case
>carefully discharge screen tube and caps (watch a video if you're unsure how, and don't just use a big screwdriver, it can short sensitive components)
>remove every cap being meticulous to catalog values and locations
>remove anything that looks shorted or on the verge of dying
>take set outside
>douse in dish soap with warm water
>use a brush to gently agitate from surfaces
>use garden hose with gentle water pressure setting to rinse completely clean from every angle
>allow a few hours to sun dry and air out
>spray with 91% or greater isopropyl alcohol to displace water, especially around fine parts
>continue to sun and air dry for hours
>wash plastic housing in similar fashion
>depending on local weather humidity/allow to fully dry over a few days or weeks
>solder on ALL NEW caps and any other components that had to be replaced
test set after you're confident that EVERYTHING is completely dried out whether it takes days or weeks
>bingo, practically brand new like out of the factory with several years of new caps to run properly

Yes, you can wash circuitry as long as it's completely dried out before you power it back on. You can even find videos on Youtube of people washing old CRTs for consoles or arcade machines. That layer of dust and grime caked on from decades of humidity and pollutants isn't good for the circuit anyway, it can eventually cause heat dissipation issues or shorts.

TL;DR sometimes you can fix things by washing the shit away.

Most probably someone will develop a "retro gaming" tv that is basically a modern tv with a high end analogue convertor/upscaler built in.

Any attempt at a "new" CRT line is just going to be poor cheap shit unless someone works out a deal with Sony/Mitsubishi/Hitachi to use their patents

>>4978487
You can't fix screen burn or worn out electron guns though.

>>4978556
Not every used CRT has burn-in or a dying gun. Those tend to be abuse problems and most were discarded as a result of being obsolete or some cap died out and the owner thought the whole thing was junk and just threw it out.

Some of the best oscilloscopes out there are still old analog CRT models because they show realtime and fine details that the digital sampling of modern scopes don't show. Despite having repeating images and patterns blasted on them for decades, most oscope CRTs are still perfectly usable with excellent screen quality.

>>4978506
>Sony/Mitsubishi/Hitachi to use their patents
I am pretty sure the "Trinitron" patents are all run up at this point. I think it happened in the mid-2000s.

>>4978457
They did ban sales of plasma TV's citing power consumption.

>>4976493
I'm sure trump can take care of those pesky "regulations"

>>4978723
I have never had burn in on any of my crt screens but I have seen it on arcades for sure and at the dmv lol

>>4978474
Calling free healthcare a dystopian shithole.

Didn't those plants cater to millions of customers? It seems unlikely they're going to start up again for what, a few thousand people?

>>4975939

I suspect that before any manufacturer will get back into producing CRT's, some other will figure out how to make LCD's less sucky. It will happen eventually. You wait for it anon.

I find CRTs superior to LCDs (any panel type) for retro games and for running legacy PC games at a variety of resolutions, since LCDs look like shit at their non-native resolutions (also lag), but from what I've read, OLED is supposed to solve many problems associated with LCDs since the technology "sort of" mimics the way a CRT displays images since they don't need a backlight like an LCD. Like a CRT, an OLED only illuminates what's necessary, so you get true blacks and more accurate colors. Never seen an OLED, though. Is this true?

>>4978886
Sauce it up, senpai. It seems only one of us actually read more than the headlines.

>>4979458
Yes. OLED has perfect blacks and a response time measured in hundreths of a millisecond rather than milliseconds like LCDs. The technology is taking its time getting off the ground but it's the best chance we have to finally escape the LCD scourge

>>4976818
at the same time we have tons of energy-saving lamps filled with mercury
makes you think

>>4979001
>calling healthcare you pay for with your 40%+ income tax rate and 20%+ sales tax rate "free"

>>4979458
>>4979591
I won't be dropping my Pioneer Kuro plasmas for OLED any time soon. They're pretty near unbeatable for movies and owe me nothing at this point.

That said, I don't use flat panels of any kind for /vr/-era gaming and likely never will. Fixed pixels are just too big a drawback for me.

>>4976865
You sound like you never measured the power draw. My LED 21.5" 1920x1080 60Hz monitor draws ~0.21 amps while my 17" CRT running at 1600x1200 65Hz draws ~1.14.

>>4976149
What’s Wega?

>>4979741
The company I work for pays that income tax.

The VAT in my country is less than 20%. The petrol is really expensive, tho.

>>4980083
The brand for Sony consumer HD CRTs.

>>4980083
>>4980093
Not specifically HD, just any consumer CRT TVs which used the FD Trinitron flat-front tube design.

Also, real Wega has nothing to do with Sony whatsoever. They simply bought the company and threw away everything bar the name.

>>4979741
STOP BEING A RIGHT-WINGER OR I'LL REPORT YOU TO GOOGLE AND APPLE!

You're 100% right. I also get a kick out of people from countries with "free healthcare" having to take vacations in the United States for generic medical treatments.

>>4976836
>>4976818
Leaded glass isn't needed anymore.

Tellurite tungsten glass can be used to the same effect, and you can make the tubes thinner, as they will be much stronger than leaded glass.

This results in thinner, lighter televisions, if one were to go this route.

>>4980091
>The company I work for pays that income tax.
...out of the money they would have paid you. Yeah, that's how that works...

>The VAT in my country is less than 20%.
Sales tax in my state is 7%.

>>4978040
>They have no useful application in today's world.
Industrial applications involving high & low temps are an actual useful application. LCD crystals cannot handle extremes that a CRT can.

>>4979591
>LCD scourge
I keep telling myself it is a transition technology and won't last. It was subpar even at its best compared to CRT. Sure there are some "pros" to LCD, but less power and less space are not 2 features I seek. I demand instant refresh rates, smooth motion and actual real black as a color, and not as a lack of lighting.

>>4979715
>at the same time we have tons of energy-saving lamps filled with mercury
>makes you think
You can't throw lights like this away in the garbage because they are filled with pollution. I have a fish tank with 6x t5ho fluorescent bulbs, and I have to take them to electronics recycling....No garbage for them. Every year I have to find a place that charges me to dispose of them. Sure its only $10 a year, but it still keeps you wondering. Energy efficient, but toxic to human habitation. Its no different then a CRT however. Not one bit. Its just a remix of the same song.

I really think there was a push for LCD because of the power consumption. Lots of countries have issues with their power grid. IF CRTs use 3-5x the electric, imagine what that would do if everyone still owned them. Our power grid may not be able to handle it.

>>4978731
Yah it ran out in 1996, but the ones made for cheap knockoffs were made for literal cheap and were not the same quality. I was more talking about working with them to produce the same kind of quality and not just going to China and having one guy duct-tape a CRT together

>>4980397
>I was more talking about working with them to produce the same kind of quality

There is still a company that makes high quality CRTs. They are very similar in look to PVM as they are stackable. They are used in museums as displays. I cannot find the site to save my life again, but they were EXPENSIVE....but they are new and high quality.

I wish I saved that site or could find it again...hell, its possible they went under.

At this point, There is still a huge supply of 2nd hand CRTs. I doubt there will ever be an affordable, quality and new CRT ever again...unless there is some break in the technology that saves immense power or size.....It would have to be alien technology at that point.

The best thing anyone can do was previously suggested. Learn to repair and replace old components in your units. Its up to us as individuals. No matter how memeworthy crts are, they are not coming back....and that is a shame if you ask me.

>>4980257
Did/do any CRTs use that?

>>4976040
There's an Indian company that bought Sony's Trinitron tooling after they discontinued them. Note that China and India's domestic markets are _massive_ so it is still viable to produce shitty CRTs using their uber-cheap labor.

>>4980436
No, and it never will.

It would be far too expensive and as far as I can make out is only at the experimental/research phase at this point in time.

>>4980423
The company is Hantarex and they haven't produced them in years. Any stock available is NOS.

>>4978487
lol @ butthurt democrat reporting the blue wave parody image. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to be triggered all day every day.

>>4980364
>You can't throw lights like this away in the garbage because they are filled with pollution. I have a fish tank with 6x t5ho fluorescent bulbs, and I have to take them to electronics recycling....No garbage for them. Every year I have to find a place that charges me to dispose of them. Sure its only $10 a year, but it still keeps you wondering. Energy efficient, but toxic to human habitation.

eh... those sound like special industrial lights, you can throw ordinary energy-saving bulbs away fine. In fact it is illegal in the EU to use incandescent bulbs anymore, they phased them out a few years ago.

In the EU you can dispose of all electronic items for free in any waste facility to prevent illegal dumping of materials. You are encouraged to dump anything electronic. However I have never heard of not being able to throw fluorescent bulbs in the trash.

>Its no different then a CRT however. Not one bit. Its just a remix of the same song.

What are you talking about "no different"? What's that supposed to mean? I can assure you there are good environmental reasons for phasing out certain materials in favour of others. I actually agree that power consumption was the main reason for the push to LCDs though, it also saves businesses, schools, government departments a lot of space and labour.

>>4980438
What abou Taiwan? Do they still make CRTs?

>>4980491
>The company is Hantarex and they haven't produced them in years. Any stock available is NOS.
God bless you anon. Thanks for confirming my suspicion. It has been years since I have seen that site of theirs.

>>4980514
>eh... those sound like special industrial lights
Nope, just fluorescent tubes. It is essentially the same light you would hang in a garage. Except in a garage you don't change the lights until they burn out. For a coral reef tank, you need to change bulbs every 9 months-Year. The spectrum of the bulbs shifts toward red, and starts to contribute to algae. The goal is to keep your kelvins between 10k and 20k. I like the lower kelvin look, so I have to be careful.

They are just standard T5-HO bulbs. They are full of chemicals that my country deems dangerous, and they cannot go in a land fill.

>>4980514
>What are you talking about "no different"? What's that supposed to mean?
I mean that they treat CRTs the same as tube lights. They need to be taken to a recycle center as the garbage man will not take them. They are full of "toxic" chemicals that they do not want in landfills.

>>4975939
They need to get rid of the US ban on making new CRTs. Ditto for the EU phasing out incandescent light bulbs. >MUH ENVIRONMENT
Righhht! In fact, the Demodicks are using cherry picked facts to directly, control what US residents can and cannot do, just as with the EU nations. Same can be said for the Republicunts, but in different ways!

>>4980542
Fucking this. I hope there is at the very least a workaround, some kind of exception to retard leftist laws because sooner or later, the old stock of arcade monitors, and regular CRTs will be done. Boards and components are easy af to produce in large numbers, but some small company or companies would probably be more than happy to corner the market on new replacement CRTs.

>>4980538
I see, interesting. I thought you were making the argument that environmental policies are pointless as some headless chickens do such as...

>>4980542
>>4980582

Fuck off, environmental policy is not a partisan issue and it has nothing to do with "controlling" people. While environmental policy/law may have worked to some extent against people who like CRTs like me, you can't just deny fact because they're doing something you don't want them to do. They never outlawed CRT production. Nobody says you can't own one if you want to.

>>4980610
>Fuck off, environmental policy is not a partisan issue
It shouldn't be, but somehow it is.

>>4980542
>End ban
>No one buys them anyways
Then what?

>>4980625
>No one buys them anyways
And your proof of this is...?

>>4980636
Who TF gonna buy one? Retro gamers who already have several working one's leftover in their game room?
Normal people just want a TV that's big and flat screens are bigger

>>4980610
>I see, interesting. I thought you were making the argument that environmental policies are pointless as some headless chickens do such as...
no, just that they treat "environmentally friendly" lighting solutions no different then "dangerous" CRTs.

>>4980624
>It shouldn't be, but somehow it is.
Everything is a partizan issue at this point in the USA. This is why there is unrest under the surface. They will not let us have our simple things without interjecting how you should think and why it is a good thing. This is not up for debate. It is factually happening.


>>4980651
>Who TF gonna buy one? Retro gamers who already have several working one's leftover in their game room?
I would seriously consider buying a brand new quality CRT, irrelevant of the small collection I currently have. If the quality was good, I wouldn't need any of my other models, so I would get rid of them.

A new CRT would actually save space for me. I would lose 3 others.

>>4980610
Hello, this is a retro video game board, please fuck off back to /lgbt/ or reddit if you want to play make-believe politics.

>>4980514

>In fact it is illegal in the EU to use incandescent bulbs anymore

Must be true, I mean who would do that, go on the internet and tell lies? Or is that the internet wisdom I have heard about?

It is nonsense, what was stopped was the PRODUCTION of those things and importing them container- wise. There are still warehouses full of those things and they are still widely sold, in big well known electronic stores their numbers are becoming less and less but in smaller ones and of course the internet like amazon they are still widely available, and especially is the simple USAGE not illegal.

>>4980712
Tripe. They have been forcibly phased out by law in all EU states since 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_light_bulbs

It doesn't matter whatever retardation nitpicking you try to do, my post was 100% accurate and yours is both objectively false and a completely misleading representation of the situation.

Also the vast majority of the time people say things on the internet, let's say 9/10 times, they are right. It's because of retards like you who have something wrong with them that makes them invent bullshit or find fault with other people who are stating something accurate is why people can't always be trusted online. You are part of that lowest 10% of refuse that ruins it for everyone.

>>4980364
>You can't throw lights like this away in the garbage because they are filled with pollution
I don't live in a first world country

>>4976167
>You can't emulate a CRT on an ARM microcomputer and put it in a throwback plastic case
>*shaders your path*

Didn't someone from /vr/ say they found a Japanese company that still makes CRTs for the military or something?

>>4982307
Are you possibly referring to Wei Ya?

http://www.weiya(com)tw/products.asp?le=English&fid=26

Their CRT monitors are no longer in production and all stock is on close-out.

>>4978886
The EU can't act that fast. The market de facto banned them because they cost more for little perceived benefit to most. LCDs caught up enough with color, contrast, and viewing angle that plasma didn't seem worthwhile.

>>4980364
There's a few other display technologies that can handle much greater temperature fluctuations than a creaky glass tube. Do you somehow not know (O)LEDs exist? That's the most versatile, and there's more specialized options.

>>4979741
The thing is, it ends up costing less overall because emergency room visits are expensive. Crab mentality is for losers.

>>4975939
It's not really about the production costs, but more the huge amount of know how which most companies kept of course secret. There is damn much tech in a CRT than it seems at first. On opposite LED is much simpler.

>>4982691
Violating the non aggression principle is for fascists

>>4982753
Capitalists already violate the non aggression principle by falsely and illegitimately denying access to people of their natural rights to at least food, water and shelter, using force to do so.

>>4982735
CRTs have been around since the 1940s? I'm pretty sure there's not a lot of mystery to it.

>>4975940
please cease and desist all incorrect usage of periods(.) and commas(,)
the correct way to represent the cost is $10,000.00
otherwise eventually you third world subhumans are going to cause an error that will literally kill someone

We really just need some better universal replacement chassis options. Used tubes are plentiful, and have a long lifespan.

>>4982691
>it ends up costing less overall because emergency room visits are expensive
I've only been to the emergency room twice in my life because that's only where you go in a dire medical emergency. People who go to the ER for every cough and complain about how outrageously expensive medical care is are fucking idiots who deserve what they get. The ER is for people who need immediate medical attention so they won't die or have their body permanently fucked up (broken bones, etc). Routine primary medical care in the US is a couple hundred bucks a year even without insurance.

>>4983326
>being this assblasted about a typo

>>4975939
I just want a 16:9 CRT TV for my OG Xbox

Where can I buy a big CRT TV that has Component, Composite, S-Video and else for a reasonable price? I had an old widescreen CRT Sony with all of that but forgot the model

>>4975939
Probably best to just use what's still open

>>4983785
>where can i buy CRT
drive around someone probably left one outside for the trash man

>>4975939
It would be so cool if Sony made a preorder run of Trinitron CRTs with component and RGB ports built in. I would so buy that.

>>4975939
>2051 AD
>some company finally spins up CRT production again
>retro fans rejoice
>all new CRTs have non-standard resolution and aspect ratio

>>4982680
>There's a few other display technologies that can handle much greater temperature fluctuations than a creaky glass tube.
You are moving the goalpost.

>>4984136
OLED doesn't freeze. Have you been in a coma for several years? Just assumed the screens on Korean phones were LCD?

>>4984141
My "cell" was made in 2011. I work in high temp & hazardous environments. This includes Very hot, very cold and possibly filled with harmful gasses.

I have never seen a flat screen in 15 years of working in infrastructure/heavy industry. Not once. I am glad you and I can agree there are ALSO other technology that also work, but CRTs are still in use in hazardous environments.

I don't disagree with you. I however was answering your simple question:

>4978040
>They have no useful application in today's world.
You moved the goalpost when you didn't like the fair and legitimate response.

I liken it to RS-232. When it comes to industrial applications, USB doesn't cut it and it's not suitable for CNC equipment like RS-232 is.

>>4980364
>Industrial applications involving high & low temps are an actual useful application. LCD crystals cannot handle extremes that a CRT can.

They do but in hardened enclosures.

>>4984164
That is true.

>>4975945
Monochrome CRTs are piss easy.
I could make one in a my garage in about a day.

Color CRTs are really hard though, because now you need 3 electron guns (and for them to be aligned), a mask for the electron beams, and the ability to very precisely deposit the color phosphors.

>>4979458
I switched from CRT to OLED and if anything I'm playing more old games now than before. It's a great technology for /vr/ stuff.

>>4978040
When HDTV's have no input lag, then I'll get one...I literally can't hit anything in a shooter without auto-aim on to actually do the work on an HDTV.

>>4976025
I didn't, as you don't seem to able to transcribe thoughts properly (common in autism). Are you saying that it would cost $20k to start up a new 28" CRT manufacturing operation?

>>4986501
Make a monochrome one and put the howto vid up on yt

>>4986672
I think he's saying that the minimum selling price per unit would be 20k.

Personally I think that's wildly optimistic given the quantities we'd be talking about (almost certainly below 1000 per annum).

>>4986501
>Monochrome CRTs are piss easy.
>I could make one in a my garage in about a day.

Correct. You just need glass blowing equipment and some phosphor to coat the face of the tube with and you could probably make a monochrome CRT yourself if you know how to blow glass.

Color tubes would be impossible to make without very expensive, delicate, and complicated equipment because you have a shadow mask with thousands of tiny holes and thousands of tiny phosphor dots. In addition, the electron guns would need to be aligned (not an easy task) to get a proper picture.

>>4983309
The basic tech behind CRT sure isn't, but the highend CRTs which companies like Sony did at the end are. There is so much to keep care of, like the glass thickness and pressure in it. Just as a very basic example. Which matters even more when you want "flatscreen" CRTs. It's not about the electronics stuff you have to know how about, just about all physics around it.

>>4986942
>because you have a shadow mask with
>shadow mask
Absolutely baka.

>>4976863
my 28 inch uses 150 w and there are some large lcds that use similar

>>4987095
>not realizing shadowmask is the ultimate display and sony had you fooled

>>4987183
Aight.

>>4987183
a LED LCD TV that takes 150W will be more like 45-60" though.

>>4987209
Post shot of a game on a shadow mask from 1968.

It took a LONG time for other CRT technologies to get close to what Sony was doing back then.

>>4989467
In the high end, shadowmask was always the best.