/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4971834
>playing them on the famicom
The NES was an improvement from the original model since you could remove the controllers while the Japanese version you cannot. Plus US version of JP games were also improved upon since they had more space (i.e. Dragon Warrior)

AV Famicom would be a preferable god-tier.

>non-detachable controllers with only 2-foot cords.
Yeah. No.

>>4971838
You can play those US versions of games on a Famicom without issue (and with a $5 converter of course), and the Famicom controllers, while hardwired, have rounded corners and are more comfortable to hold because of it.

psst (NES is an overrated console that sucks dick)

>>4971842
It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't sit 50 feet away from the TV because of the some myth that anything closer than that will sear your retinas.

>>4971838
Enjoy your missing audio channels and microphone.

>>4971838
>localization
>improvement
Pick one, gaijin. Also, why would you ever want to remove the controllers. Even if that's an issue for some reason, I'm sure later models like the AV Famicom "fixed" that.

>>4971843
Reminder the buttons of the original version of the famicom were also rubber based, making it wear really badly over time. Yes this was fixed with other versions of the console but I don't know how much those versions go for. Also the length of the controller wires were extremely short, making it so you had to have the famicom close by. With the rounded issue you can buy a good third party controller that can help with that.

>>4971834
I agree with this 100%

>>4971840
It's pretty good too, but the design of it isn't as good or iconic. Also, I'm still iffy on whether or not AV makes the colors less accurate.

>Famicom
unless you want to sit with it in your lap or next to you, hell no.

>>4971865
Only the absolute earliest production runs had rubber A/B buttons, and those units were recalled due to CPU manufacturing issues on top of that. The recalled versions are extremely rare for having been recalled, you'd never get one by chance. If you ordered a loose Famicom from eBay or whatever, there's a nearly 100% chance you'd be getting one with regular NES style controller buttons.

>>4971865
The rubber buttons (and they were also square) were only on the first ever Famicom model, which is very rare and expensive. The models with good buttons are cheaper.

>>4971876
There's no defined palette at any rate, and there's so many CPU/PPU revisions of the Famicom that it's all very subjective. Audio differences are typically more pronounced and measurable between the revisions, since color is more often dependent on one's television set than any particular Famicom model. I do love the AV's design, but I usually play on an unmodded RF unit.

>>4971880
The cord length is never a problem. I have my Famicom next to me, since the RF and power cord are a lot longer. I sit just as far away from the TV as with any other console, the only difference being that the console is with me instead of next to the TV. Also, even if this was an issue, the benefits of the Famicom greatly outweigh it.

>>4971834
> god tier
i don't see any disk drive with it.

>muh japonese stuf is alwayz le besd
Enjoy your nice RF picture and short controller wires.

>>4972063
Well, there's an AV Famicom, and you can also AV mod (and RGB mod, although I think you have to buy a kit from RetroRGB) the original one. I don't think it's better because it's Japanese, I think it's better because that's the original region it's from. I play US version of American-made games and PAL versions of European-made games.

>not onions tier, onions tier, oats tier
also reminder for the millionth time that pic related is a thing

>not onions tier, onions tier, oats tier
also reminder for the millionth time that pic related is a thing

>not onions tier, onions tier, oats tier
also reminder for the millionth time that pic related is a thing

sonofabitch they've wordfiltered soi lol

>>4971865
1st gen famicoms have square buttons. You wont be accidentally stumbling upon one. 1st gen famicoms are rare and more expensive.

http://famicomworld.com/workshop/tech/square-button-famicom/

>>4971834
For me its
>Onions tier
NES classic

>Good tier
Wii virtual console
3ds virtual console
Emulation (pc and raspberry pi)

>God tier
NES
Famicom

Also you forgot those game boy advance rereleases of NES and SNES titles, I'd fit those under good tier

>NES Classic is just a generic emulation box
There's still chink Famiclones around using clones of the NES chipset so it's not as if they're not still produced.

>>4972284
Sure, but those do not produce an HDMI signal, so it's easier to just use a one board computer and write an emulator. Still, I wish (S)NES minis has analog output as well, I would buy one in an instant.

>>4971860
>I know 日本語
larper please

>>4971834
>not an av famicom

>>4971859
>>4971860
This.
Famicom is god-tier.

>>4971840
I also like the AV Famicom, but the design isn't as pretty as the original Famicom.

>>4972907
You guys actually like that hideous cream and red color scheme? The Famicom is awful looking.

GOAT tier
Analogue Mini NT

Good tier
emulation

Blurry shit tier
nes/famicon

TOP kek tier
hdmi modded nes

How about a Twin-Famicom?

Speaking aesthetically, the Famicom and Super Famicom absolutely shit on the bland shit we got.

>>4971834

>anything other than twin sharp famicom

Plebs.

>>4972938
I like the rounded look of the JP/EU SNES but the power and reset sliders on the NA model are cooler.

>>4972924

Usual zoomer zooming it up.

For me it's the American NES

>>4972960
he's a 40 yr/o boomer chumming the waters

>>4972960
I'm so damn sick of these stupid boomer and zoomer memes

>>4972971

All we need for it to stop is having all the zoomers go back to their containment board.

>>4972974
I'd rather Hiro put wordfilters for them tbqh perferably "oldfag" and "newfag"

>>4971852
I just want to sit in my chair which is a mere 7 feet from the TV. I shouldn't have to sit on the floor like some 3rd worlder.

>>4972920
It's white and red, but Famicom shells yellowed just as bad as Apple IIs.

>>4971834
what the fuck does onions tier mean?

>>4973274
numale tier

>>4973281
what the fuck does that mean?

>>4973290
People who have only ever played NES games via emulation.

>>4972924

>>4973334
don't act like retro gaming in general isn't onion approved

>>4973274
>>4973290
I love when /pol/ posters are reminded that their stupid terminology sounds like complete nonsense to outsiders.

>>4971859
>Muh microphone
Barely functional shit that was barely used in anything besides a small features in Zelda and being part of some celebrity's meme game?

>>4972864
>Sure, but those do not produce an HDMI signal

It's a fucking console from 1983 that has 256x224 resolution; using HDMI doesn't provide any useful benefit and besides, a lot of graphics effects on Famicom games were designed around composite artifacts.

>>4973415
but muh weeb shit is always superior
>plays english versions of games on flashcart

>>4973405
That shit is used on other boards as well, /v/ used it quite a bit.

>>4973442
>I don't think it's better because it's Japanese, I think it's better because that's the original region it's from. I play US version of American-made games and PAL versions of European-made games.
If you want a comparison of Japanese games to their bastardized counterpart, tcrf.net is a good place to start. Not to mention it's as "what the developers intended" as it gets.

>>4973440
I'm aware of that. It's for marketing purposes though; Nintendo think normies won't buy a console in 2018 if it only does composite. Yeah I know a Famicom doesn't benefit from HDMI at all.

>>4973563
dat gif primo

>>4973563
that title screen reminds me of the annoying gimp title screen from life force

>shit tier
Bitching about games instead of playing them
>god tier
Playing games through whatever means and just enjoying them

This is one of the most pretentious threads I've ever seen on /vr/.
>>4973563
The only one of those that really matters is the stage effect. You're not going to look atvthe title and stage screen forvmore then a second.

>>4973593
>>4973603
>responding to namefags
idiots

>>4973605
It's still better, even if you won't be looking at it much. Seems like your comment would be more fitting in the dozens of composite vs RGB threads. At least here, there's a difference in the actual game and not just how it's displayed. Sounds like someone isn't a Diamond Dog.

>>4971834
>Thoughts?
I think you're a cocksucker.

>>4973615
Basedboy detected. Did you get your wife's son into retro games using the Raspberry Pi?

>>4971834
>>4971852
>>4971860
>>4971876
>>4971887
>>4971901
>>4972094
>>4973563
>>4973610
>>4973620
Reminder to report underage users and/or namefags.

>>4973645
What's underage about preferring a console from 1983 to a console from 1985 and it's "mini" version from 2016?

>>4971838
>larger
>not top loading(VHS-Style mechanism super unreliable
>no mic
>no FDS
I'd agree if it was the SNES revision model, but OG NES is shit.

>>4973571
HDMI is the whole reason it's selling so well

>>4973702
Plebe detected

>>4973653
Whoaha Japan stuff so better xD

>>4973719
Nope. I just play whichever region the game is originally from. Same goes for US, UK, France, or any other country.
See:
>>4972094
>>4973563

>>4972865
>Its a LARP to know languages

>>4972865
I don't know Japanese, but you barely need to unless playing RPGs. If the game has some story but not enough to be an RPG, I usually play the American or translated version first, or just look up what it means.

>Ctrl+F
>No FPGAs mentioned

Where muh AVS/NT mini people at?

>>4973770
nvm I'm retarded

>>4972924
Though this dumbass slanders modded consoles

>>4973770
>paying $500 for a Famiclone
You're the same kind of person who buys an iPhone.

>>4973780
AVS is $185 boi (And it's got H Interp when NT mini doesn't)

Don't have to spend a bucket of money.

Dendy Master Race

>>4973785
Wtf is H Interp. Is there any feature on these NES clones that's actually better than the original hardware? I don't know much about NT, AVS, all that stuff, but what about it makes it so much better. HDMI? As another anon already stated, that doesn't make a damn difference when the games are 224p.

>>4973807
Horizontal Interpolation. To even out pixels & prevent shimmering associated with upscaling non-square pixels to the correct display aspect ratio. (This is really only needed for NES and SNES w/ their weird formatting)

>but what about it makes it so much better.
Native digital video/audio out, normally in HD resolutions & specs (AVS 720, NT 1080), w/ console-native input lag (Or lack thereof). In the NT minis case, the ability to load games from SD (Removing the need for a flashcart) and the loading of other system cores to the FPGA.

>As another anon already stated, that doesn't make a damn difference when the games are 224p.
And most TVs will read 224/240p as 480i and attempt to deinterlace it. Composite's hot garbage to begin with. Or are you of the CRT-only crusade?

>>4973838
>Native digital video/audio out
Famicom has it.
>normally in HD resolutions & specs
Meaningless because NES games are not HD.
>console-native input lag
Famicom has it.
>the ability to load games from SD
You already said it, flashcart.

What do you mean CRT crusade? You just admitted that CRTs are better by stating that regular TVs read 240p as 480i. Isn't using CRTs the sensible thing to do by that logic?

>>4973861
>>Native digital video/audio out
>Famicom has it.
After modding.
>Meaningless because NES games are not HD.
>What is upscaling
Again, must be a CRT-boy

>>4973494
>/v/
As if that's supposed to be an argument to use it.

>>4973876
And why is upscaling a good thing? You like playing NES games with giant blocky pixels? Not only is there no advantage, it's worse.

>>4973440
I don't notice much dithering in 8-bit games. Not nearly as much as 16-bit. Could someone name an example of one that does?

>>4973914
Not dithering. He's probably talking about how sprites look more like what they're supposed to represent when blurry as opposed to when they're made of giant, clear-cut squares.

>>4973274
Weenies. Sissybois. Those jackasses that open their mouth really wide when they have their picture taken.

>>4973923
I play with moderately heavy NTSC filters and it does almost nothing to Metroid's butt :(

>>4973405
It's just like when Superman defeated the KKK

>>4971834
Who cares?

>>4973290
it means hipsters with glasses and scraggily facial hair enjoy them

>>4973204
Get a chair poorfag
>>4973719
Sick argument bro

>>4973708
>HDMI is the whole reason it's selling so well

>>4974519
Wew lad. That reading comprehension....

>>4973719

NES wasn't even available at most poor countries. We only had Famicom.

>>4971893
>Audio differences are typically more pronounced and measurable between the revisions,

WTF I thought this only happened with the Genesis.
Please post a link to where people are discussing the sound of different Famicom revisions.

Can someone explain the Raspberry Pi hate? Is it just one of those "it's bad because it's popular" things?

>>4973274
meme for betas who think snorting nootropics (full of onions) makes them manly

>>4971834
Sure, why not. Must say, I like the design of Famicon much more then just the normal NES

>>4974935
Yes. I have a pi hooked up to the mame cabinet and i love it. Plus collectors don't like it because it means the more people that fill one of those things up, wont buy their trash later on.

>>4974935
It's annoying when people act like it's the only/best option for running any kind of emulator, especially when they live an efficiency and already have a much more capable PC right there. Some even go so far as to get one exclusively for use their desktop gaming PC monitor. Many just want to buy one because they're mentally ill and get a high from doing so.

It doesn't have enough power to do third and fourth generations particularly well, at least not the way I like them.