/vr/ - Retro Games

Can someone quickly explain why it is not possible output from my PC to my CRT TV and have it display as a NES/SNES/Genesis/whatever would? If I had a VGA to Component or Composite or S-Video adapter, would that not work?

What would be the best way to play PS1 games on a WEGA with S-Video and Component? Is a PS2 with Component the best?

>inb4 not retro

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>4940875
PC monitors operate with higher-frequency video signals than TVs (they are designed to display a higher quality image), so graphics cards are usually not capable of creating a signal that could be displayed by a TV. With some custom driver fuckery, it _might_ be possible to tweak it and use a VGA-YPbBr or VGA-SCART (I don't think you can buy those) plug converter, but changing the connector in itself is definitely not enough, VGA is not a viable way to do it. Your best bet for getting the picture directly from the computer into your CRT TV is getting an old GPU that has an S-Video output (viable, but not worth the hassle).

Alternatively, if you really want to play on your CRT, you can get an HDMI-composite converter from China for like $10-12. I bought pic related, and it actually works pretty well. I haven't messed around with it too much, but I did not notice any input lag when I tried it and played a few levels of MM2 on a CRT. It creates a 480i image, so it won't have >muh scanlines. I judged the picture quality to be perfectly acceptable on the small consumer CRT in my kitchen.

>>4940896
k

>>4940912
>my kitchen
You mean your mom's?

>>4940912
fuck

I love tubes of all types

>>4940929
Cmon man I use CRTs, thought it was obvious

>>4940896
I'm all for people who like CRTs using them, but I sure am not one of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pYmNG89RQ&t=

>>4940976
Does this give the exact look of the original hardware or is it still more crisp?

>tfw finally got my first good crt

I'm so happy right now anons. Everything i've tried so far looks so clean and smooth.

Just got a crt with composite and s video, is the s video worth getting another cable for it on the wii? I want to use it for the gamecube and n64 games the pi can't play. I'm watching comparisons but that doesn't show how it is on wii specifically.

>>4940960
It's not because of that, it's just uncommon for young men today to have a tv in the kitchen. We have phones and shit now.

>>4940997
My other option for the same price is to get a splitter for inputs and use composite for pi and wii but obviously the quality will remain the same.

>>4940932
There's still a few S-video PCI-E cards you can find. I remember mine working pretty well.

>>4940997
yeah it's worth the 10 bucks the cable costs
just make sure to get one that's wired properly

>>4940965
You're a bad dude.

>>4940991
Shaders can fix that. Some even add dot crawl.

>>4940896

But CRTs are comfy.

>>4941027
Cataracts aren't.

>>4940896
>The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning


My samsung tx 20 is amazing. Component, composite and svideo. Sure no scart meme, but that is ok.

>>4940896
stop posting this bullshit. literally 90% of these points are false and you kn.

>>4941304
ow it.

for some reason 4chanx auto posted before i finished my message.

don't (You) shitposts
report shitposts

>>4940896
>- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
That's subjective.

>- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
False.

>- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
True, but it's less visible with higher vertical refresh rates.

>- CRTs always cause eyestrain
Any display can cause eyestrain.

>- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
Only 15kHz is (barely) audible. 31kHz+ shouldn't be audible by human ears unless there is some problem with the CRT.

>- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
True, so don't fuck with the insides unless you know what you're doing.

>- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
True, if you care about color accuracy. But playing video games is hardly worth worrying about color accuracy over.

>- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
Depends on what LCDs you're comparing it to. Most cheap panels are far worse than any CRT.

>- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
[citation needed]

>- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
Only on ones that high phosphor persistence. High phosphor persistence helps reduce flicker at lower refresh rates.

>>4940896

>- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
Only some older models might do that, most have circuts that detect out of range signals.

>- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
Who cares?

>- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
It's not. Almost all older games are 4:3 so this is a moot point.

>- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
No, it's not.

>- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
Not really. Curved CRTs generally have less geometry issues.

>- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
Subjective, not everyone cares how much space is taken up by their displays.

>- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
Most CRTs have anti-glare coating to help with this.

>- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
True, keep magnets away from your CRT.

>- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
True, but only for super-high resolutions. Analog is fine for 1080p.

>- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation
True, CRTs are not environmentally friendly.

>>4941012
Neither of us is bad. We just have different taste.

>>4938342
it actually ends up cutting off the edge of the HUD in some games so I'd like to get it shifted over if I can. The more annoying problem is some sort of blooming/warping issue that totally fucks the geometry, especially at the right edge, when there's any kind of bright letterboxing going on. Some googling tells me this could be poor regulation on the high voltage side so a re-cap might be in order. I can't take any new photos right now but I'll try and post some later on.

reminder OLEDs are making your cancer ray tubes worthless

>>4941437
hey, there's the guy

Is this decent as a composite-only shadow mask display? Including .webm so you can see what it's been through.

>>4941496
Yeah, it's fine.

>>4941496
Maybe wipe the screen down a bit, it'll be fine.

>>4941437

Nope. 4:3 content will still be pillar boxed and any LCD display is still trash at its non-native resolution without a scaler. Also lag.

>>4941643
run-ahead entirely eliminates lag for any game with at least one lag frame :-) not that they're worth playing

can someone help with this plz >>4940885

>>4941671

Doesn't that just solve emulator lag? We're talking about the lag a display introduces when it scales the image. Best oled response time is 21ms at its native resolution.

>>4941687
If the eliminated in-game lag is greater than the sum of everything else, the total is less. You can chase some blue spheres in Sonic 3 to appreciate what it does.

>>4941672

You should think about this with your big boy brain. Your tv has component... component is the best output for a ps2... connect the dots desu.

If you want to play on ps1 or psone s-video is the best you can get. I'd say you'll be happier with ps2 and component though.

>>4941712
alright thanks
I just didn't know if the ps2 had any kind of post-processing that makes it look worse because I heard it has some kind of smoothing effect.

>>4940896
>CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
>Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

so what's the problem then?

>>4941717
The leakage is non-zero, and they're not RoHS compliant.

>>4941716
>I just didn't know if the ps2 had any kind of post-processing that makes it look worse because I heard it has some kind of smoothing effect.

The ps2 is fine for playing ps1 games, unless you go out of your way to find problems you wont find any.

>>4941721
>something with leaded glass isnt rohs compliant
YOU DONT SAY

>>4941721
>>4941792
Last time I was working closely with RoHS (admittedly over a year ago) there was a specific exception for leaded glass used to manufacture Cathode Ray Tubes.

Go look it up, I'm well and truly done with that nightmare shit.

>>4940896
>CRTs cannot have touchscreens

>>4941839
wow an exception for fluorescent tubes, electronic components and CRTs. How scary.

>>4940896
>CRTs cannot have touchscreens
As if we give a shit.

>>4941351
>True, keep magnets away from your CRT.

About this. How much do you guys trust cheaper magically shielded PC speakers (those from Dell, Logitech, etc) to do the job? Or even the more expensive sets from the past, like Cambridge, Boston, Altec.

>>4941893
I have sony stereo speakers that claim shielded, and I don't trust them enough to even test it

>>4940896
Hang yourself

>>4940896

Probably an actual CRT owner baiting for laughs, but if not, unsure of the point here. I'm sure most in this thread, being the video enthusiasts we are, have a fine OLED/LED/LCD display as well, so trying to drop an "uncomfortable" truth about the limitations of CRTs won't strike any nerves.

My simple reason is that fixed pixel displays look shitty running at non-native resolutions while a CRT can scale anything. CRT monitor is the way to go for a legacy PC build since resolutions for games can range from 640x480 to 1600x1200. Motion is also smoother, even against a 144hz LCD display.

>>4941921
>My simple reason is that fixed pixel displays look shitty running at non-native resolutions while a CRT can scale anything.
This. I don't know how anyone who's really into retro PC gaming can handle not having a CRT for low resolution stuff. Pixel perfect DOS games still looking crisp and beautiful.

>>4941872
>>4941351
>who cares
Or better yet, why not just say he's dead fucking wrong? A quick search clears this one up right away.

>>4942000
most people who are "really into PC gaming" are way too young to know what a CRT monitor is, emulate and think the laggy input through dosbox is just how it's supposed to be.

>>4940917
>>4941027
>>4941041
>>4941349
>>4941351
>>4941717
>>4941845
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>>4941902

why do you fags respond to this? You do know that this posted in like every CRT thread tight?

How do I respond without tarding out
Context: Emailed local Hospital about Medical CRT, got this back. Idk how to reply

>>4942149
Either:
I'm into watching/using old retro retro entertainment and I need a good CRT that can last
or
I have old game equipment that works best on CRTs

>>4941872
You just revealed your age. Every bowling alley and ATM in the 90s and into the 00s had a touch CRT.

>>4942047
why do you reply to these fags? You do know that they replies in like every CRT thread right?

Any love for CRT/DVD combos?

>>4942348

>>4942353

>>4941853
Who is this qt?

>>4942348
fag

Anyone in NYC/NJ area interested in a PVM 1340? Selling for $100 pick up only. Has RGB Svideo and Composite.

Does anyone know if this TV is decent enough?

Picked up this exact same model today for free, 22" Mitsubishi Diamond plus 230sb. It's been very well kept, the dude was glad that i took it off his hands since it weighs 30kg, i've been looking for a large crt to use as a main display for a while (mainly for the reduced input lag in gayman, also 76hz)

Good find or not ? Those seemed to be high end models back in the day, has anyone used a similar display for a while ?

I had never heard of "Diamondtron" before

>>4942493
It's an excellent monitor, well found.

I use a rebadged relative, the Lacie Electron Blue IV.

>>4942446

Those models are actually pretty decent, if there's nothing wrong with it of course. But only if you get it for free/Real cheap

>>4942512

Damn that picture looks crisp, i can't wait to connect it. Thank god my current card has dvi-i, any recommended adapter or can i use anything for the same result ?

>>4942512
What's the extron thingie?

>>4942517
>>4942524

That's from Saturn hardware, through an Extron DVS 510/OSSC combo.

Just as a proof of concept you understand, I don't generally play that way.

>>4942513
It's real cheap, but it's only 14''

>>4942493
>I had never heard of "Diamondtron" before
I think it is Mitsubishi's version of Trinitron. They are excellent monitors.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/104402/Mitsubishi-Diamond-Plus-230-Sb.html#manual

>>4942539

Depends on the use and especially, in my opinion, your available space and number of consoles. Let's say you have a good number of old systems, that small crt would be perfect for nes/any other 8bit console. 14" in my opionion is perfect for 8 bit machines.

>>4942540

Noice, the guy actually gave me the original manual in a plastic sleeve, it's rare to see such well maintained crts. Turns out the invoice is still in there too, it was bought in 2004 for 750€. Pretty damn pricey for a consumer crt back then, it must indeed be a nice tech.

Does anyone know how much does a Sony KV-25C3E weights? I have a 2 module Kallax from Ikean and I'm not sure it can handle the TV, but I can't find the specs anywhere.

>>4942612
>Kallax

Don't put anything heavy on this shoddy piece of furniture. It bends very quickly even with a 10kg monitor on top.

>>4942616
Even in the middle top of a 2 module set? I knew it was shitty but is it that shit?

>>4942612

If I can stand on Kallax without breaking it (I'm 85 kg/170 lbs /fit/) then it can handle even 50-60 kg tv. If you're worried you can put something like a piece of wood under it to distribute weight better, but I don't think it would be necessary - these things are very strong.

>>4942621

No they're not, ever seen how it's built ? Ikea has the worst chipwood, after two to three years the inside starts crumbling away, they are designed to fail. Gf had one that simply had books and lp's in it, it's bent to hell after three years. So yes you can technically put 100kg on top of it and it'll hold, but not in the long run.

>>4942637
I've had 2 kallax shelves for 3 years now (a 4 shelver and an 8 shelver) and they have had 3 turntables, 2 mixers and hundreds of vinyl sat on it the whole time, no bends in mine but it is sitting in landscape mode. I think I crt would be fine if placed in a good position

>>4942621
I'm not sure it can stand that much on the long run, though. The TV is about 33kg (~79lbs).

>>4942538
DVS 510 being used here just for HDMI -> VGA?

>>4943186
it kinda looks like he has the saturn plugged into an ossc, and dvi from the ossc fed into the extron to get vga.

>>4943186
>>4943256
Mostly, also to standardise and stabilise the output to a degree.

There's was about a frame of lag with that setup but still quite playable.

>>4943756
A bit more detail:

I set the OSSC to 5x scale with scanlines. DVI output from this was then fed into the DVS and slightly scaled to 1600x1200 RGBHV. The extremely fine stripe pitch of the monitor helped to hide any resulting horizontal scaling artefacts.

I also did a Dreamcast -> VGA box -> DVS -> HD-SDI -> BVM-D9H5 multiformat monitor clusterfuck but can't find a pic of that right now. I like to tinker shall we say.

>>4940896
i bet you believe lead and tin based solder is harmful too

>>4940896
I've browsed 4chan for more than 10 years, on boards like /b/, /r9k/, /v/, /pol/ and this has to be the most retarded post I've ever read.

>>4940912

crt_emudriver works great man, I don't know what you're talking about. custom 240p 15hz output over DVI -> VGA -> composite

>>4943983
What are you using for VGA to 240p composite?

Just loosely related, but I'm having an issue here. I don't know what kinda shit is going on.

I'm using CRT_Emudriver with RetroArch, GroovyMAME and all that kind of shit. Automatic resolution switching seems completely fine with anything that uses direct3D, I get native resolutions working without trouble. However OpenGL doesn't seem to like some resolutions, like 640x480i. Only super resolutions work properly on that shit, otherwise it goes out of sync as though I'm using an unsupported resolution. I considered that maybe it might have problems with interlaced resolutions, but it works fine with interlaced super resolutions (like 2560x480).

Is this shit normal? Does OpenGL shit the bed on Windows with older AMD cards to that point? I tried older and newer CRT_Emudrivers and also tried this on both Windows 10 and 7.

>>4942353
>Aussie PAL version
>altered Platinum Edition instead of the unaltered Perfect Collection/Second Impact Box/Archives of Evangelion DVD Box version

Ikegami TM14-17RA. Had it in the garage for a while. Finally plugged it in.

>>4944341

>>4944342

>>4941893
>>4941898
I have a set of Sony speakers sitting directly against my pvm. I moved them back and forth and see no magnetic field disrupting the screen. I suppose it depends on the speaker itself.

>>4942047
>>4941921
>Probably an actual CRT owner baiting for laughs
Or he's a genius trying to keep bandwaggoners and the dumb from making the prices climb higher than they are. It's often the bandwaggoner type that must have "muh pvm" and come around asking about them.

>>4944341
The colors look excellent on there. How is your N64 hooked up to it? I'm assuming it's composite since I only see one cable in the back on input a, but damn that looks good.

>>4944341
>>4944342
>>4944345
legendary tube, the TM14-17RA is great. I've got the upgraded RZ model as well as the finalized TM15-80R, the last mid-range SD set Ikegami made. The RZ/80R models had 650TVL tubes and really impress.

>>4944435
looks like s-video.

>>4944229
Nevermind, found the problem if anyone's ever interested:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,155264.msg1627332.html#msg1627332

Who thought this was a good idea?

>>4942594
>t was bought in 2004 for 750€
Thats actually one of the newer ones? It should do 1600x1200 @ 85-90hz no problem. It should also do 640x480 by something outrageous like 200hz. Thats a nice one, and you got a really good one that is still fresh. I would love to get 2 matching sony 4:3 1600x1200 for my setup, but that would be too much weight and electric. My sony is a 2001, and it could use a refresh.

>>4942030
>most people who are "really into PC gaming" are way too young to know what a CRT monitor is, emulate and think the laggy input through dosbox is just how it's supposed to be.

They have no ideas the joys they miss.

>>4941921
>I'm sure most in this thread, being the video enthusiasts we are, have a fine OLED/LED/LCD display as well

This is how I use my Asus 144hz lcd full time. It makes the internet better.

>>4944040

A small cable that goes from VGA to composite video output. I tgen also have a cable that goes from 3.5mm audio to composite audio i also have an s-video output i dont use

>>4944459
>looks like s-video.

It was actually RGB, I didn't really try to get a good pic of the screen as there was florescent lighting directly above the monitor. It was just more of a quick pic for one of the battlestation threads.

>>4944731
>640x480 by something outrageous like 200hz
Nope, it has a vertical limit of 160hz much like pretty much all VGA monitors. There's very few that go above 160hz let alone to 200hz.

>>4942030
really into pc gaming and really into retro pc gaming are very different. but honestly, even people into retro pc gaming likely wont like most of the really old shit that runs in vga mode only, so they can get by hacking widescreen and high res support into games like fallout 1.

>>4944935

Frankly fallout 1 & 2 need remakes. The controls and UI aged horrifyingly bad to the point they're almost broken by modern standards. X-COM suffers from the same problems. Dungeon keeper is a game in particular managed to actually age quite well

>>4944962
I'll agree that x-com is getting a bit long in the teeth, but fallout 1/2? how fucking casual can you be man?

>>4945010

It controls like janky garbage dude. I may be biased in that i played fonline before fallout, and that game controlled like butter.

>>4944931

That's already pretty damn amazing for a free CRT

I'll take whatever "dangerous levels of X-rays" my cheap CRT TV can give if I can enjoy this shit. Risk worth taking.

>>4945324
there are no dangerous levels of x-rays on TVs past the early 60's or something.

>>4945010
F1/2 have horrible ergonomics mang, you can't deny that. F2 added some much needed shortcuts in some places, but it's still clunky af.

>>4945659
>>4944962
What in particular do you struggle with? There's absolutely nothing wrong with the interface

>>4945753
well it has been a long time, but I remember inventory and trading management. Maybe skills too

My 13” ‘89 Zenith Space Command w/ Zenith VCR, along with my Genesis and NES!

I love this tv so much

>>4944435
>The colors look excellent on there. How is your N64 hooked up to it? I'm assuming it's composite
As the other anon said its Svideo. I dont have any bnc cables for any of my systems.

>>4945884

Dang man, that looks very good, thanks for confirming it was s-video.

>>4946004
No problem. Only bad part about this monitor is how deep it is. Its has a large ass footprint. Was given to me a while back and thats the first time i tested it to make sure it worked. Really like it but would love to trade for something smaller in size if i ever got the chance since my space is limited.

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL I CALL YOUR NAME, MEGA MAN!

Lads, if I built an arcade machine with a television in it that I wanted to be able to send video to it wirelessly, would I have any good options to actually broadcast the video locally?

I've read broadcast SDTV video is equivalent to composite video, so the quality will be good enough for me. It seems like it would be very convenient if there was no input delay involved.

>>4946084
That's disappointing, because the 14" Ikegami sets are probably my favorite looking CRTs from a design standpoint. Can't think of any other pro monitor that has the controls to the side like that.

>>4946372
Loads of earlier BVMs are laid out that way.

>>4946354
Like using a TV transmitter to send a signal to that TV? It sounds interesting, but I can't assure there will be no lag

>>4946354
This will 100% work as long as you can get a transmitter that will let 240p through and doesn't perform any kind of digital processing.
Read this:
https://antiqueradio.org/HomeTVTransmitter.htm

On very old televisions this is best method to get high quality video out of them without mods, as they did not have composite video input.

>>4946372
the TM14-20 is even better with a vertical pull-out tray more typical of their 20" or HTM sets.

heres my crt. its a 27 Toshiba

>>4946452
theaterview SD?

>>4946084
sexy microwave

>>4946480
No, just a standard tv

https://youtu.be/BAB_0sxd5VM

>>4947327
>SNES runs at 60.09 hz
Does that mean I should set my custom resolution to run at that exact rate for SNES emulation or does it not matter

>>4947339
Technically yes but it's really negligible

I have a TV that has the same problem as the one in this image (not my image, I stole it from some Spanish-language TV repair blog by goggling my TV's model number).
According to the blog the dude just replaced some capacitors in order to fix that image problem. Is that something I can go about doing myself? I have no experience working with electronics and I'm wondering if this is something I can fix myself or avoid attempting so as to not damage the TV or electrocute myself in the process.

>>4947327
dude in the tweet worked on the megaman legacy collection, but the x collection was done in house by capcom. figures that they'd fuck it up.

Do all crts have a constant high pitch wine when on? My ears are sensitive when it comes to hearing frequencies others cant. Didnt know if it was just me.

>>4947892
PC monitors are better

>>4947894
Interesting. No matter what i always have a constant ringing in my ears. So the high pitch noise from crt tvs always just made it worse. Ill check out a pc monitor.

>>4947892

PC monitors and 100hz TVs push that whine above the human hearing range.

>>4946372
BVM 1315 is pretty damn cool, often used controls are on the front and there are two slide out trays on each side with less often adjusted things. The drawer on the left is very seldomly used and the pcb just slides on plastic sliders, the drawer on the right has a good cabinet like slider since it's one that would be more commonly accessed.

>>4947780

You can do it but research crt safety and discharging the flyback. I would start with grabbing some junk electronics from the curb, anything, a printer, can opener, etc. Desolder and solder caps into them. You don't have to fix them, just practice techniques. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ watch that series, pretty good info on there.

As long as you follow safety procedures and discharge the tube you'll be perfectly safe.

>>4947892
>Do all crts have a constant high pitch wine when on?
You must be 18 to post on this site. In all seriousness, as you get older you hear it less. Some sets are more noticable than others. If the whine is rediculously loud, try touching the case. If it stops, it's not the CRT's inherrent whine. I had a 27" flatscreen trinitron that was projecting harmonic resonance through the case. I fixed it with some soft rubber washers cut from a toilet bowl gasket because it's what I had on hand. It was similar to a yoga mat texture.

dvds looked so good on the tvs that they were meant to be used on, i mean good enough that you'd wonder why hd was even a thing, before you bought one of course

>>4947909
>100hz TVs
Well, must you remind me of this cancer? By the way, which 24-27" flatscreen Trinitron models didn't have this cancer in Europe? I've been looking around, and every one of them seem to be 100Hz, but I have no surefire way of telling because it's not even mentioned in the fucking specification booklet of the TV.

>>4948216

>>4947327
they didn't even test using a CRT
unfuckingbelievable

>>4947948
there's plasma tvs that run in dvd native res. good alternative to an hd crt since they don't take up as much space.

>>4948457
DVD is interlaced natively, so can't go direct to a plasma without some kind of deinterlace filter.

SD widescreen CRT is the most native way you can do DVD.

>>4948517
they're interlaced, yes, but most aren't interleaved I don't think. so when you put them in a dvd player which is going to deinterlace it then it comes out as effectively a progressive image.

>>4948526
Standard DVD is interlaced with the two fields sandwiched together into 30/25FPS stored, if you just play that back as if it was 30/25 regular frames on a 480p display you get comb artifacts and not so smooth motion. Running it through a deinterlace filter reconstructs the full 60/50Hz motion and removes all the combing, but can also add some of its own artifacts. Running it through a native 480i (or 576i) CRT that's the right aspect ratio doesn't need running through a deinterlacing filter.

>>4948538
if it's interleaved which I'm fairly certain most are then it's a single frame split up into two fields, not two distinct fields like a normal interlaced video. you don't get artifacts from deinterlacing an interleaved dvd.

>>4948517
DVD content being interlaced depends of many things.
NTSC movies are usually telecined which is a mix of progressive and interlaced frames, see 3:2 pull down for infos
NTSC tv shows are usually progressive at 29.97, to give a cinema like frame rate while avoid telecine.
NTSC sports and concerts are usually interlaced 59.97
PAL movies are usually sped up to display progressive 25fps

some content can also be mixed, one exemple : in a tv show (progressive 29.97), the protags start watching a tv tape, the tv screen will be at 59.94 interlaced, with the surroundings still at 29.97 progressive.

>>4948570
>>4948584
NTSC TV shows usually were 59.94 time independent fields, having only 29.97 separate frames was rare until pretty recently. When it's a 59.94 camera source originally you do get the comb artifacts if you don't run it through a deinterlacing algorithm first (or view directly on a 480i display without any scale/deinterlace)

>>4948728
29.97 progressive for tv shows or tv movies was pretty common starting at least the 90s maybe even before

>>4944741
>A small cable that goes from VGA to composite video output
wtf does that mean? You mean you use a converter? If so, which one? I hope it's not one that shoehorns everything into a single 480i mode no matter what you feed it?

>>4947780
That problem is called vertical foldover, and it's fixed by replacing the pump up capacitor for the vertical deflection IC, which your set has if it's from the 1980's or newer and not a Sony.

Read what the other anon who replied said, then google the service manual for your set, or open it and read all the chip numbers and google their datasheets. One is going to be the vertical def IC.

>>4940875
This guy >>4940912 is mostly correct, save that VGA-to-YPbPr converters are available, as are VGA-to-composite or -Svideo, though the best ones are like the j-rok and work at 1:1 so you still want something like crt_emudriver 2.0 and a compatible Radeon card to output perfect modelines.

Other converters shoehorn everything into a single 480i mode (see >>4949207) and while this is ok, it's far from optimum. The same thing happens with the tv-out/s-video ports of older graphics cards, so they're not great either.

Those last two options are much easier, but if you like them, you'll like crt_emudriver, with or without a j-rok, much more.

Don't know if this is the right thread to ask this question, but how do I go about stream/record retro consoles from my crt to an elgato hd60? I was going to just get a cheap upscaler and hook it up to my HDTV and hd60, but I want minimal input lag. Any advice?

Is there any use for these at all, /vr/?

They are in black and white, but I have access to one of these for literally no money, I'm almost picking them up regardless, because of their cool aesthetic.

>>4945859
Man the first TV I had, so many memories

>>4949509
>four screens
>small
>black and white

Made me think of those four player Game Boy games. You'd probably have to have four single board computers running gameboy emulators connected to each other somehow.

>>4948728
>NTSC TV shows
sorry I should have clarified that I was talking about shit worth watching.

>Need to adjust the convergence and rotate the yoke a bit on my CRT
>Put off fixing it for a while
>Finally say fuck it and open it up today
>The convergence rings are epoxied and I can't move them
>Can't figure out how to loosen the yoke to rotate it
>Can't find anything online except "yeah did that on mine and it looks great :)" posts
Thought you guys said CRT gaming was fun. Well when do I start?

>>4949509
Someone on /mus or diy/ohm might like it for a specific project

.>>4949547
Is pretty cool but getting a gameboy onto a crt is a real pain in the ass

>>4950405
>getting a gameboy onto a crt is a real pain in the ass

Yeah, which is why I brought up emulation.

>>4950405
>getting a gameboy onto a crt is a real pain in the ass
SNES + super gameboy?

tiger direct still has a listing up for jvc's multiformat

>>4950601
That's probably because it's $2,139.99. Same reason why B&H still has listings for BVM expansion cards. The prices are fucking absurd.

why is there a plasma tv claiming 1024 pixels and 1024 lines of resolution, but also 16:9 aspect ratio? does it have non-square pixels?

>>4950540
yea but for multiplayer u would need super gameboy 2s
not that anyone really gives a shit about multiplayer on GB games

>>4950623
Yep, plasmas with rectangular wide pixels were pretty common until 1920x1080 models arrived.

So this is my set, the one I'm having trouble with. Anyone got any ideas on how to safely chip off that epoxy and how to loosen the yoke on this model? For the distortion on the screen, I'm not sure how much moving the yoke will help, it looks less like a tilt and more like warping on the left side of the screen the more I look at it. Couldn't be fixed in the service menu.

Disclaimer: I did drop this set when I brought it home

>>4950684
I can smell this image

>>4950734
Well it probably hasn't been opened since it was manufactured

>>4950684
The "epoxy" is more like white out, it isn't really that tough and you should be able to score through it with a sharp blade. Be careful trying to move the tabs though, don't force them as they become brittle with age.

>>4950751
Neat, maybe I'll try that in the next couple of days. No idea where the clamp for the yoke is though? It seems pretty secure so it might not have moved like I originally thought, the screen distortion could be something magnetic but I wouldn't know how to fix that if that's the case. Magnets, convergence strip replacement and that stuff are beyond me right now

>>4949225

could I get some troubleshooting tips? I'm running a CRT on my PC with CRT_emudrive via DVI -> VGA -> S-VIDEO -> COMPOSITE. all I get is this nasty output in pic related, which looks like the crap you get when you turn a console on but the TV is on the wrong channel. I couldn't go pure VGA -> composite because I didn't have the cable, but I'm grabbing one tomorrow. could that on its own fix the problem?

>>4950994
VGA to s-video/composite needs a transcoder, you can't do it with just a cable.

>>4950994
As this guy notes >>4951174 you can't convert VGA to S-video or composite with a passive cable. So which cable were you planning to use? does it have an active converter inside?

As it is, you say you're going from DVI to VGA to Svideo to composite, but can you describe what hardware, adapters and/or cables you're using at each step pls?

>>4950994
or just read this, in detail - https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>4950994
>I'm running a CRT on my PC with CRT_emudrive via DVI -> VGA -> S-VIDEO -> COMPOSITE
JESUS WEPT

>>4950601
>JVC DT CRT
>16:9
>supports all formats 408i-1080i
>$2,139.99
fuck me.

>>4950601
>TV

>>4951431
not everyone is super autistic and has to refer to them as monitors

Did I screw up?

I have a PVM 20md2u. I just ordered an ntsc dreamcast. I picked up a pair of the official pal scart cables

Do these cables work with the ntsc dreamcast? How well does a dreamcast work with rgb? I'm reading some games don't output rgb?

I have a beovision mx1500 (pic related) and I live in a pal region. Any ntsc signal is only displayed in black and white however. Would using rgb from for example my Super Famicom be in colour? At the moment I'm only using composite.

>>4951174
>>4951187

I just had passive cables, not a single thing i found online said this was impossible. So nice to learn this i guess. What are my options here for getting this to work? Do they sell active parts for this in the same vein as displayport adaptors? I want to avoid using an hdmi to conposite converter

>>4951414
>out of stock

>>4951475
>Do these cables work with the ntsc dreamcast?

Yes.

>>4949225
It was ambiguous, I only doubted the availability of VGA-SCART adapters, however, it turns out, you can, in fact, buy those as well, so good news to those who can get a 15kHz signal out of their GPU.

>>4951593
>Would using rgb from for example my Super Famicom be in colour?

Yes

>>4951821
Nice thanks just wanted to make sure

>>4951471
It doesn't receive signals. It has no tuner. They are a retailer attempting to sell a $2k+ piece of broadcast monitoring equipment as a "TV".

I'm not being autistic anon but they are fucking retarded, as are you ;-)

>>4951767

The only problem with that is that NTSC tv's dont support scart

>>4951868
you know who else calls it a tv? JVC.

>>4951987
Not there they don't.

>>4951414
You'd still have to buy input cards for that particular model though.

>>4951983
This may come as a surprise to you, but not everyone is from America

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROYAL-DOULTON-SONY-TRINITRON-TV-COMMEMORATIVE-PLATE-1971-81-10th-ANNIVERSARY/223049899368?hash=item33eecf5d68:g:BTcAAOSws-tbGQWO

just found this on ebay and it made me chuckle. Its a commemorative plate for the 10th anniversary of the Trinitron by Royal Doulton.

>>4952037

America makes up something like 80% of 4chans userbase

>>4952096
So that's why something like 80% of the content here is utter shite?

Interesting.

>>4952082
There are tons of those floating around on eBay. I see them all the time.

There's also a Seiko commemorative watch but it's a bit pants tbqh.

>>4940995
what model?

>>4949225

Is scart the only output that will run natively wothout a converter? Will vga to composite not?

>>4952237
Pretty much, or you can use other connectors for RGB as well (like BNC for PVMs). Nope, VGA is not a composite signal, nor can it easily become one.

>>4952237

Btw this was a typo, i meant vga to component. RGB output.

how good or bad are 600 lines? apparently it’s what my 1953ST has, going to hook up a genesis via RGB and have a look myself

>>4952302
tvl count is entirely subjective. don't let anyone tell you that you must have at least x amount of tvl to enjoy video games because it's bullshit. if you like the look of a 600 tvl monitor then it's good for you, if not then try to find something else.

>>4952302
nearly any tv you find will have the resolution capable for 240p. Higher tvl will give you thicker scanlines and a more "pixelated" image, lower tvl will give you a softer image. 600 tvl is the upper limit of consumer displays, so it will look quite sharp but not bvm sharp

>>4952256
Now what kind of component do you mean? VGA is RGB component by nature, so you don't need a converter for that. If you want YPbPr component, you'll need one though.

Does anyone here know if there was ever an offical JP21 cable for the dreamcast?

got this bad boy working. the picture is blurry as fuck, but it still looks 10x better than it does on my flatscreen even with scanline filters. for a $20 dongle and a $5 TV from goodwill I don't know why more people don't do this.

>>4953186
Alot of people don't like the high pitch a crt gives off after being so use to flat panel displays.

>>4953186
is that a Batman TV? I miss the old days of cheap, stupid-looking licensed TVs

>>4953263
They can always get a higher frequency model that isn't a tv.

For me, I don't like the non-persistence that makes my eyes hurt. Ever hear people talk about playing video games until their eyes bleed, back when CRTs were the norm? I haven't experienced that sensation with LCDs.

The geometry issues are also a nuisance. I'm glad to be free of that.

>>4953276
Same.

I have a weird question here.

I have both a PS2 and a PC that I plug through SCART RGB to an old CRT TV I have lying around. It's looking pretty decent but sometimes I have to enter the service menu on this thing to adjust overscan and shit like that. My PS2 works fine for that, once I turn on the TV I can see the picture right away and start adjusting shit. However on PC it goes all out of sync and I can't do any adjustments because it seems it ain't automatically switching to the right channel (and I can't switch to a different channel once I'm using the service mode). There's probably not much of a solution for this, but why could this be? Why is the PS2 capable of doing that shit just fine?

>>4953263
While it's a bit annoying, I own an LCD monitor that whines way more than that and lemme tell you, I have to unplug that motherfucker. Turning it off makes the problem worse.

>>4951690
read >>4951191 for tons more info. It's long, but it will tell you why using crt_emudriver 2.0 and a compatible Radeon card, and then possibly a J-rok converter, might be the best way to go. Don't go out an buy anything until you do some reading though.

>>4953273
You mean this one?
>>4942348

>>4953273

>>4953273
here's another

>>4953608
>>4953273
>>4953186

These novelty tv's are fucking trash but goddamn are they cool.

>>4953658
the batman one I had as a kid was alright. it wasn't the latest sont trannytron with component and s-video but it worked and wasn't garbage quality.

>>4940965

Seriously, stop posting this fucking picture. You do it all the time, you’re a lazy prick, no one likes it, stop

>Purchase a Commodore 1084
>Only has composite and some weird TTL RGB shit that looks like an oversized socket for s-video
>Plug in PS1 using Composite
>Works fine but there's no color at all
>Adjust the knobs for color
>Doesn't work
>Get my PS4 and convert HDMI to composite/s-video
>Plug it into the CRT
>It now has color
Can anyone tell me what's going on here?
>Also the resolution of the screen warps when anything happens onscreen

>>4954409
AFAIK all 1084s have analogue RGB, some will need a custom cable to a DIN plug. The TTL mode is irrelevant for most people, just use linear/analogue mode.

NTSC PS1 on PAL 10840 or vice versa? Did you push in the button to select composite instead of s-video?

A bit of non linear warping is normal, got pics?

>>4954565
It's NTSC to PAL
It looks like it came with a DIN plug but on the other side there's what looks to be a female VGA or a female analogue RGB chord that is way too wide to actually be either on the other side
Won't a simple NTSC to PAL adapter work?

>>4954870
Got pics of the back of the monitor and the cable you've got? kinda like VGA but wider and female is probably an Amiga video plug.

NTSC to PAL or vice versa isn't particularly simple, it'll only recognise the colour format of the region the monitor is from for composite/s-video, but is fine with either region console/computer over RGB.

>>4954160
It's okay, I like posting it.

But PS2 is slowly coming to be called retro console so.... Let's slowly count the only good 6-th gen console ;C

>>4955390
This is already basically a retro media general what with all the laserdisc posting and such, we may as well go hog wild

>>4942619
never had any problems with ikea kallax myself

>>4955434
Expedit was stronger but yeah, unless you're planning on supporting a fucking BVM-D32 it's gonna be fine.

Is this tv worth anything?
My family is trying to throw it away but I think I can make some money off it or at the very least use my n64 on it.

https://www.cnet.com/products/toshiba-32a32/specs/

This is the number it showed on the back. It's 32 inches they said

>>4956001
>make money off it
Its worth whatever you think its worth. Seems to have generous inputs. Bring a dolly. Jew.

>>4956012
What kind of response is this?
I'm not trying to make a lot of money on it just like 50 dollars or at the very least use it for myself since I've been using a sanyo 20 inch flstscreen from Walmart since 2003

>>4956001
Totally solid set if the picture is in good condition. It has almost all the inputs you'd want for a curved consumer tv. You're probably not going to get more than $30 for it that being said, obviously depending on how good condition it is in. Definitely has value for some people.

>>4956016
That's what I was thinking. I don't mind though. I could use a cry anyway for myself because why not? I love technology and i like tinkering and collecting so why not?

>>4956015
>50 dollars
jfc I'm not that other anon but you really are a jew. it's worth at $10. just keep it and use it for your shitty toddler system.

Somebody got feewings hurt

Anyone have experience with low dot pitch shadow mask displays? Tv or monitor, what are some of the best?

>decide I might buy a CRT to play old games on
>start looking in ebay and gumtree etc
>either have to drive like 2 hours away or pay $250 for delivery for any of them
Going to try a few charity shops and pawn shops on the weekend, but if I can't find anything it looks like I'm stuffed. Any ideas where else I could find one?

>>4957143
Where are you located

>>4957190
An hour and a bit north of Sydney

Bought an RGB modded CRT. It has some bad overscan. Both health bars are cut off.
Can overscan be modded too? To be honest I bought one so I wouldn't have to do it myself but the health bars are really bothering me. I'd prefer to mod controls so it can be modified for different consoles.

>>4956001
Doesn't it cost $15 to have them "recycled"? You can be rid of it for free or better. Just take it inside if it's still there by garbage day.

>>4957201
>RGB modded CRT
I'm curious as to how much you paid for that shite. Why didn't you get a PVMeme?

>>4956001
I own this exact model CRT. I have no complaints.
See here >>4946452
>>4947185

https://imgur.com/gallery/y9nXu

Anyone know about scanline filters in emulators? Do it just put a scanline effect over the image or does it actually place scanlines between each line of the image. Not sure how to word this.

>>4957924
If you can't word a question, don't bother asking it.

The end effect is the same anyway, the only difference exists in the display technology you use to view it.

This >>4957594 looks way better than this >>4957201 and i bet he's only using composite or RF

>>4957928
Yeah no you dumbass.

>>4957938
Most of the difference is down to having (and knowing how to operate) a decent camera.

I highly doubt it's anything less than S-Video though, no visible red bleed or combing artefacts.

>>4957947
Check out the big brain on Brad...NOT!

Why are you guys so obsessed with scanlines? Am I the only one that thinks they look ugly and would rather a softer display?

>>4958014
No, you're not the only one.

Go join the shitflinging in >>4957445.

>>4957201
looks like shit

>>4957938
Ah you're close, I am using S-Video

Sorry for using you guys as tech support but I've found no explanations online:

How do I go about connecting my Extron Crosspoint to my PVM? The ports for each are as in the image - the Crosspoint being RGBHV (5 BNC) and the PVM being RGBS (4 BNC).

I've bought both a 5 BNC cable and 4 BNC cable but I've not been able to find a way to connect the PVM to the Crosspoint with either of them without the image being an scrolling unsynced mess. I've also tried pressing the 'Ext sync' and 'H/V Delay' buttons on the PVM but that hasn't fixed it.

>>4958336
Crosspoints output whatever sync is input to them (for the most part). So if you're feeding RGBS in, it'll be outputting RGBS.

That said, they ---ONLY--- support Composite Sync; No Composite Video and no Sync on Luma. You either need a cable wired to pull CSync from the console or a sync stripper somewhere between the console and the Crosspoint.

Is/are the system(s) you're trying to use wired for CSync, or one of the others.

The "No Luma" thing only goes for trying to pass it along the H Sync connector for syncing RGB. Luma/Y will go perfectly fine over the Green connector for YPbPr.

What's the right degree of sharpness on a CRT?

>>4958674
scanlines should be about as thick as the regular raster lines.

Since this is probably the best place to ask this stupid question, has anyone ever brought a CRT on a plane as baggage? I'm talking about 14" sets and smaller ones.

>>4957594
I also hooked up the xbox to play some Test Drive Eve Of Destruction. Using Composit

>>4958336
best way to get RGBHV into RGBS is through an extron RGB interface box or similar.

There's also the quick and dirty way of just use a BNC T connector between H and V, the result is close enough to being csync that it'll often work.

Does anyone on this Earth know how to unclamp a deflection yoke? Is it different on every set? I can't find the clamp. If it's that metal ring on the neck with a screw through it, that shit is stuck to the neck by adhesive for some cursed reason

>>4958220
>>4957938
It looks fine I just can't take a good photo.

>>4959060
Hmm, yeah it does look good.

>Look for specific PVM models
>Ebay has only a couple and they're usually defective/fucked out of shape and still being sold for retarded prices
How do you guys do it

>>4959060

too pixelated desu.

>>4959190

they nag people who don't know their value until they get them dirt cheap

>>4959190
Speaking from personal experience, calling video production places can still yield results, even if the majority of them got rid of their CRTs years ago. Also, there are plenty of other auction websites. I saw five different CRTs (27" Trinitrons with composite and a 14N6U) go for $15 on one because it was being sold as part of a junk lot. The only reason I didn't buy it myself was because it was too far away to pick up.

What do you think, boys?

>>4959306
>flat
i've had better luck with curved fronts

Is CRT repair a lost art?

>>4959325
If it's not then it must be some secret club shit because I still can't move this yoke

>>4959318
In terms of picture quality?

>>4959325
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Is3Kk2ZVQ

>>4959332
yeah and geometry
just anecdotal evidence, i picked up a 27" flat front trinitron and i dont like it as much as my curved mitsubishi 26"

>>4959351
Dang, I've been exclusively looking at and for flat screens. How about pic related?
It's a bit bigger than I want. I've been looking for 20" screens, that seems like the sweet spot.

>>4959376
Forgot pic

Are NEC monitors any good? I found one for sale online for dirt cheap but it doesn't have an S video jack.

How hard is it to recap a board? How crucial is it that I do it immideatwly?

>>4959190
I just lurk eBay saved searches until something I want gets listed BiN.

Got a BVM-20F1 for £10 and a 27" Profeel for £5 in the past 18 months.

Okay, so I'm pretty close to retarded and can't seem to figure out what I need. I just bought a Playstation 1 and aTV with rgb, composite, and svideo. What do I need to do to use the rgb? It looks like the original Playstation isn't natively compatible with rgb and needs some sort of sync. I've seen one video where a guy modified a ps3 rgb cable and added an svideo cable and composite to it. Is that what I have to do? He didn't specify which pins the svideo or composite go on to. Then do you plug in rgb and svideo at the same time? No scart on tv

>>4960105
if the TV doesn't take RGB through scart then what does it have?

>>4960105
component isn't RGB.
either get a PS2 or stick to s-video

>>4959721
NEC in my opinion is one of the highest grade companies for anything they make, like old Mitsubishi, pioneer, etc. It sounds like that's an old 80's model, so it may be worn out, but if you can demo it and the screen is bright than you're good.
If you want more than composite then go ahead and wait.

>>4952252
>Pretty much, or you can use other connectors for RGB as well (like BNC for PVMs). Nope, VGA is not a composite signal, nor can it easily become one.
>>4952475
>Now what kind of component do you mean? VGA is RGB component by nature, so you don't need a converter for that. If you want YPbPr component, you'll need one though.
>>4951191
>or just read this, in detail - https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor


I have no desire to "mod" a gpu currently. However, I have a 240p TV with component, composite and svideo input. I have an I5 mini pc that can handle one low profile gpu. Some of the older nvidia cards would work great for this.

Can DVI-I passively convert to component video? I see adapters being sold. I know the pc will do 640x480i.

I am just weighing options right now, and having a dedicated pc just for "retro" software and backups would be great.

>>4960120

>>4960167
You'll need a PS2 mate. Those are component, so not RGB but rather YPbPr, which is basically the same. PS1 doesn't support component but PS2 does for PS1 games and PS2 games. Just bear in mind the PS2 is notorious for having a fuzzy component output.

>>4960105
>I've seen one video where a guy modified a ps3 rgb cable and added an svideo cable and composite to it.
I've seen that video too.

The guy is an absolute retard considering pic related exists.

>>4960190
Other side.

>>4960143
This is the back of the NEC I'm looking at. It's the oldest of the units I'm looking at and has the least video input options but looks the coolest.

hey guys first crt thread post.
my large sansui recently died so I went out and bought this one for 10 dollars. it is extremely heavy btw at about 140lbs. f-zero is running on s-video here.

>>4960179
Okay, thanks. That finally clears things up for me. What's the deal with those scart to component converter box? Are they just a gimmick or do they actually produce better picture quality?

>>4957924
There's lots of things shaders can do. Look in the emulation thread on /vg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzB0YdHn64

>>4960349
By rule of thumb any converter is going to reduce quality, barring some upscalers but they're far more expensive. All a converter box is going to do is make the signal different, introducing lag in the process.
On top of that, component is YPbPr as opposed to RGB. Whilst the difference isn't really noticeable, YPbPr is technically inferior to the RGB that SCART carries.

>>4960363
>introducing lag in the process
RGB to YPbPr component converters transcode in real time. No lag should be introduced whatsoever.

>>4960390
Some also try to de-interlace/upscale content to 480p, even when they don't advertise themselves as upscalers.

my Sony only has room for one set of component cables
should I use my PS2 or my Wii for the CRT??

>>4960442
PS2 if you want PS1 games
Wii if you want other older games

>>4960462
I probably will use the Wii then since I like the older 2D pixel games more
thanks for helping me decide

>>4960442
get a switching device

>>4960526
I didn't realize until now but the Wii I got has one of those component cables that can connect to Wii/PS2 and something else so I'll probably just switch the cables manually from console side depending on what game i'm playing

>>4960339
sweet

>>4951414
>>JVC DT CRT
>>16:9
>>supports all formats 408i-1080i
>>$2,139.99
>fuck me.
Only $2k? Are you a pleb or what? The Ikegami HTM-1990 CRT is just $11249 new on B&H camera, right now (free shipping!):
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632863-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990R_HTM_1990_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html

>>4961021
lmao

were early hdtvs crts? my dad has a big ass rca tv but idk

>>4961062
yep, and the RCA F38310 might be that one you're thinking of. I believe it came out in the late 90s.

I'm pretty comfy right now

>>4950994
you need a jrok board

>>4961309

Oh come on man, we all know why you posted this and it wasn't because of your CRT. Here is your (you)

>>4961309
what game is that senpai?

My old RCA TV was powering on and off by itself.

The power button is broken, has been for years. The remote I use has no batteries and was in a different room.

What the fuck causes this?

>>4958382
bro, what is the exact model of the portta unit you use for hdmi to vga?

>>4961378
Secret of Man. Now I am playing Seiken Densetsu 3 aka Secret of Mana 2
>>4961364
okay?

>>4961151
38 inch curved CRT in that RCA, and it was the basis for the very expensive Loewe Aconda seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DBryg0L8Gc

I want to open my CRT. what cautions should I take?

>>4961542
Lick your fingers first to give them a protective barrier.

>>4961413

>>4961542
Do you have a good reason to open it?

>>4960326

If you're handy at all, it's probably rgb mod-able.

>>4961626
The picture is a little wavy.

>>4961554
Thank you, for some reason when uploading via phone the images end up either sideways or upside down.

>>4961630
Have you tried known good to rule out the connected devices and cables?

>>4961547

>>4961542
Just do your homework. Only touch plastic bits when you can help it and generally know where the power's flowing. Keep one hand in your pocket or behind your back. Know that as long as you do that the risk of death by electrocution is dramatically overstated, and know that the best practice for servicing these things is to poke around them yourself.

>>4961390
Fuck, I've been looking at an RCA but I read an Amazon review that described this exact problem.
Is RCA a non starter? Are there any other brands I should avoid?

Alright boys, I need some help making a decision because I'm pretty close to retarded. Bare with me I know it's hard to judge sight unseen.

RCA from 2008 with component and svideo27
JVC from 2002 same input options27"
NEC from 80s composite only 27"

I kind of prefer the smaller 20" plus I like that it's the newest.

>>4961680
>RCA from 2008 with component and svideo27

this one for sure

>>4961682
Should I worry about build quality? I figured the newer the unit, the safer it'd be. RCA seems to be getting trashed all over the internet, though most of those tvs seem to be earlier, 2000-2003.

>>4961718
RCA made some nice fucking TVs dude
Some people just hate anything that isn't Sony, NEC, Mitsubishi... they only like weeb tubes

>>4961741
Well your making me feel much better, Ive definitely read about RCAs food track record but thought they might have fallen off in later years.

>>4961542
Unplug it first

>>4959379
decent chance that will have component and if it does it will be a very good set. but jvc is good always regardless of component.

>>4961793
Oh it does.
>>4961680
This was me. JVC seller is stuck on $40 and the guy with the rca said he'd give it to me for $20. I think I'm going to take a chance on the rca.

>>4961804
don't bother with the rca set. rca is a garbage brand and always was.

>>4961810
This. RCA hasn't been a relevent brand since it pioneered color TVs.

>>4961810
>>4961820
Yeah, the old RCA prior to being bought by Thompson (France) made good hardware but crap mostly after.

if I have a gtx 1080 is it fine to get a crt as long as I'm not gaming on it?

>>4961403
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003O55U8K/

I swear, for how many times I've rec'd people this, I should have opted for an affiliate link of some sort.

>>4961861
1000 series doesn't have the DAC needed to drive a CRT. You would need to get some sort of external solution (such as the one above) to turn HDMI into VGA.

This is for a PC CRT, obviously, not a TV.

>>4961871
yeah I meant the lower refresh rate won't matter outside of playing games right

>>4960153
>I have no desire to "mod" a gpu currently. However, I have a 240p TV with component, composite and svideo input. I have an I5 mini pc that can handle one low profile gpu. Some of the older nvidia cards would work great for this.
So would an older Radeon like a 5450 for under $20, you simply install crt_emudriver and get some cables and A j-rok of your choice to convert to YPbPr or s-video. I do not understand what you mean when you say you don't want to "mod" a gpu. What exactly are you modding with the suggested scenario?

>Can DVI-I passively convert to component video? I see adapters being sold. I know the pc will do 640x480i.
No. How do you know the PC is doing 480i, out of interest?

>I am just weighing options right now, and having a dedicated pc just for "retro" software and backups would be great.
It is, IMO :) The easiest route is an old GPU and some S-video cables. This works, but it's far from the best picture you can get, as described in the guide.

>>4957195
Try fishing your local Harvey Norman or other places that take free e-waste. Do not go in through the front door, go round the back and talk to the guy in the loading dock about picking a few thing up from their e-waste bins. That's worked for me a few times.

>>4961884
What do you mean lower refresh rate?

Mind you, I haven't tested the Portta with PC sources much (my GPUs still have DACs), but assuming you got a hold of a decently spec'd monitor, you could likely push res+refresh combos that would actually get your GPU going a little bit. Unlikely to max it out, but it wouldn't just be idling either.

For just regular usage, you'd probably be wanting to have it refreshing at 75hz if not 85hz.

>>4958382
If you have a bunch of spare channels on a crosspoint you can use luma/component sync through it by running it as a separate channel through one of the video lines.

>>4961542
Wear ya mum's rubber gloves

>>4961940
Huh okay I might try that if the pawn shops come up dry. Thanks

So do all old consoles need scart?
Will pic related be relatively easy to work with?

>>4961718
one of the best pictures I have ever seen on a crt is from a dvd/tv rca combo from 2006, I bought it that instant for 12 bucks

>>4962514
SCART is the most common connector you'll find on premade cables. You can get a breakout to go to separate BNC RGB+sync connectors, or make your own cables, or order custom built cables from console to BNCs.

>>4962672
Thanks, I actually have some bnc connectors at work. Im guessing I can just use an existing snes cable and don't need coaxial cable?

>>4961902
>How do you know the PC is doing 480i, out of interest?
I set the resolution and progressive/interleave in the nvidia options menu. I have a CRT PC monitor, and it displays an image.

If I were to get and mod a gpu for 240p, it would be an nvidia one. I still am in the research area of the deal. I don't see any need why I need an emulator pc, as I have everything I want/need already in a usable format on the television.

Does Pic related output to a TV with component from a PC? I will work on getting a GPU until someone can confirm to me that the cable I posted works for the purpose I intend.

>>4960326
I'll tell you what, that was most likely their top of the line model. The tube is probably very nice, so if you can live with composite fuzz then grab it. No more than $20 I'd say.

>>4961541
If I remember correctly, this was one of the only hdcrts which would do native 720p

PVM-20N5U or PVM-20L2?

>>4962980
Nevermind, the n5u doesn't do rgb

>>4961309
>we like cops now

>>4962736
https://retro-access.com/products/snes-csync-bnc-and-rca-cable-pro-coaxial-multicore-for-pvm-monitor

>>4962839
>If I were to get and mod a gpu for 240p, it would be an nvidia one.

not possible without an extron unit to downgrade the 31khz signal to 15khz

>>4962839
>I set the resolution and progressive/interleave in the nvidia options menu. I have a CRT PC monitor, and it displays an image.
Errr, a CRT PC monitor is almost certainly 31KHz only which is 480p. It's very unlikely you'll be getting 15kHz out of your GPU if it's showing up on a CRT PC monitor. For more info on what's actually happening see section f) of the guide linked here >>4951191

>If I were to get and mod a gpu for 240p, it would be an nvidia one. I still am in the research area of the deal. I don't see any need why I need an emulator pc, as I have everything I want/need already in a usable format on the television.
To do look more like? WTF are you modding? Modding is altering physical hardware. Installing a driver is not a mod. Switching resolutions is not a hack. Installing modelines is not a mod, and won't work for 240p from Nvidia 99% of the time. Also, you said having an emulator PC would be cool. And what television are you talking about?

>Does Pic related output to a TV with component from a PC?
That DVI-to-YPbPr adapter is for projectors that do component video over DVI ports. It's not going to let you get YPbPr out of your GPU, or any GPU. If you read the listings for these type of things they normally state that they're for projectors.

>I will work on getting a GPU until someone can confirm to me that the cable I posted works for the purpose I intend.
Did you mean the adapter you posted? See above. Or are you referring to those posts about cables further up the thread? Please provide more information. And which GPU are you planning to get, and how are you going to connect it?

At this point it sounds like you're trying to figure a lot of stuff out, which all of us had to do at one point. I reckon your best bet is to read that guide i posted, and go over stuff you don't understand a few times. The guide is not well written, i grant you, but it's still better than spending money on stuff that's not going to work.

>>4963469
you can just use CRT_emudriver with a compatible card and output 15 kHz. you don't need an extron

>>4963680
>>I set the resolution and progressive/interleave in the nvidia options menu. I have a CRT PC monitor, and it displays an image.
>Errr, a CRT PC monitor is almost certainly 31KHz only which is 480p. It's very unlikely you'll be getting 15kHz out of your GPU if it's showing up on a CRT PC monitor. For more info on what's actually happening see section f) of the guide linked here >>4951191
Sorry, i should add that 15kHz = 240p or 480i(nterlaced) and 31kHz=480p(rogressive). Simply ticking the box that says interlaced in the NVidia Control Panel will install that res, but your system will be outputting 480p if a picture is showing up on a PC CRT. See the guide.

>>4963128
?

None of you deserve CRTs. Fuck you.

>>4963467
Thanks. I wish they would sell just the plug that goes into the snes. I could solder in coaxial cable myself and put bnc connectors on the end. I'll just try to butcher a composite cable. I found the wiring diagram online. It should be pretty straightforward

How good are zenith CRTs? Is this a good deal?

>>4963853
Yep, snapping open the SNES end of a cheapo cable and attaching some decent cable instead works great.

>>4962839
>I have a CRT PC monitor, and it displays an image.

Then it's not 480i, PC monitors can't go that low.

>
If I were to get and mod a gpu for 240p, it would be an nvidia one.

AMD/ATi is much more flexible for 240p use since there's CRT Emudriver. Nvidia cards with analogue out can also be used with just setting custom resolutions maually, but getting interlaced working is a bit of a pain.

>Does Pic related output to a TV with component from a PC?

No, you'll need a transcoder, not just a cable.

>>4963681
not on an nvidia card

>>4964026
You can just add the 320x240 resolution via the Nvidia Control Panel, but whatever program you use has to set it. Retroarch works fine for this.

>>4964101
with crt emudriver?

Quick q - Does anyone knows if cheapo VGA to component boxes that are confirmed to be able to output 480i can do 240p reliably? I mean since 240p is pretty much just 480i with weird timings it should be theoretically possible.

>>4964110
No, Nvidia lets you set custom resolutions. Just add 320x240 and set the timing to CVT. Then go to the retroarch config and set the resolution to 320x240 and the refresh to 60Hz. If the mode is added correctly, retroarch will work at 240p.

>>4964120
Most of these boxes will output 480p, because they only accept 480p or higher.

>>4941496
Oh, I had one of those. Turns out you can remove most of the haunting with a mix of baking soda and vinegar. Smells less sulphury too.

>>4964124
Which NVidia cards do you think this is going to work with? Under what OSes?

>>4964120
Most cheapo converters don't even take 480i input, as this guy notes >>4964128
And if they say they output 480i, and don't list anything else, that's all you're going to get no matter what you feed in.

>>4964128
So I'll take it these just straight up de-interlace 480i and make it 480p, right? I'll probably get one for my parent's old TV set so they can watch Netflix and junk on their old Samsung CRT, give it a shot with 240p out of a Raspberry Pi or CRT Emudriver and report back with any news.

>>4964164
It works for my 980Ti. I'll say that any Nvidia card with a proper RAMDAC and and analog output will support 240p. Windows 10.

>>4964164
>>4964205

>>4964167
Slow down, FFS. Read both the responses to your inquiry. Make sure the converter you look at will take 480i in. Most cheap ones don't. Something that takes 480i *probably* takes 240p in as well, but it's not guaranteed.

Read all the info you can find on these units until you come across something that lists the resolution you want to feed it, and then the resolution you want to get out of it.

Even better in terms of image quality would be a unit that (says it) passes the signal format unscaled. Most of these are going to be specialist or old professional gear. J-rok, Neobritz, and something like this one - https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/221156873851

I *think* that unit is about as cheap as you can get a 1:1 converter. It uses the term scaler, but people say it isn't one - see what the seller is willing to tell you and make up your own mind. If it does go 1:1, or anyway, you need to feed it RGBS via a SCART plug, and the easiest way to do that is to have crt_emudriver pump out c-sync and use a VGA-to-Scart cable. I know next to nothing about the rPi, though, so maybe it would work without soldering too.

>>4940896
>being this buttmad that people like something you don't like

get over it fag

>>4964225
I've done that, and then set that resolution to a display, but the system catches it and turns it into 480p because the scanrate check won't pass anything below ~31kHz. In fact, Win10 just turns off the display - it shows up as being at 240p, say, but is greyed out and can't have the desktop extended to it.

Can i ask how *you* use this resolution, please? What OS, what GPU, what other displays via what ports? And for the 240p display what port type, what adapters/cables, what converters or other hardware, into what type of plug on what type of display?

>implying you play video games

>>4964280
Sure. So it goes out via VGA, into an Extron MVX switcher, then to an Extron RGB201Rxi that converts the RGBHV into RGBS. It then goes from there into the back of my PVM via BNC.

>>4964280
Other displays: LG Ultrawide Via Displayport, Acer GN246HL via DVI. Note that I never actually set the resolution via windows, Retroarch does that.

>>4964285
Sweet jesus, what recent Nvidia card has a VGA port? I wonder if it's only low end cards that let you do this? I guess the problem with this is that no one would use a card like this for a gaming rig, so if a high-end card can't do it, it's not much use because crt_emudriver and a Radeon card is better, and would be what i'd recommend for the purpose.

(I'm assuming you have a 15kHz-only PVM, of course.)

>>4964289
what happens when you do set the resolution via windows?

>>4964297
900 series has DVI-I, which can be used for VGA out. That includes 980Ti and Titan X. Pretty sure thats still high end.

>>4964301
Its impossible, it does not appear as an option anywhere. At least in my case.

>>4964303
I thought he meant a VGA port, not a DVI-I one. I *have* a 980ti, i bought it because it does analog, and i haven't been able to get 15kHz out of it so far with custom resolutions and an EDID dongle.

>>4964308
What was that screenshot (>>4964225) was that not you? And if the modeline is installed on a windows system, why does it not show up as being installed?

>>4964332
It is, I have absolutely no clue why it doesnt appear in windows. Nothing below 800x600 does. It could just be that I have too many added.

>>4963876
$80 is not a good deal for what seems to be a set that probably only has RF. Even if you're dead set on getting something with wood on it, there are better options for lower prices.

>>4963876
looks like this one I had in college, picture from my 2010 cell phone. Cool set, but not worth $80 that's for sure. I got mine on the side of the street and had to put a new power cord on it.

>>4964342
Nah, it wouldn't be too many modelines. I'll have another play with the NVCP and see what i can get to work. This is kinda what i'm talking about though, crt_emudriver works more easily :)

>>4964342
To see modes under 800x600, (assuming Win 10) right click desktop, Display Properties, Advanced display settings, Display adapter properties, List All Modes.

240p (and other weird stuff) just werks for me, using a 970, either setting modes in nvidia control panel or CRU.

>>4964381
You can't give old consoles away - I routinely see them free to cheap on CL. Any more and they sit for months. He Should definitely offer less on that $80 one.

I don't want to mod my N64 to RGB (eventhough I have the model that is easier to mod), but I've had horrible problems with finding a decent S-Video cable that doesn't have bitcrawl and checkerboarding out of the ass. Retrogamingcables only stock N64 SCART cables too. Where to find a good S-video cable?

I want to emulate Sega Model 2 and use a CRT monitor. The arcade runs @ 496x384 but the emulator has an option for 1024x768.I should be able to easily do this if I have a Nvidia GTX9xx and my monitor does 1024x768 @ 85hz, right?

>>4964994
http://www.robwebb1.plus.com/n64/n64.htm

>>4962736
>Thanks, I actually have some bnc connectors at work.

Don't steal from your work. Also don't shit where you eat. Nothing good can come from taking $6 worth of cables from a place that supplies you with a steady income. Please don't risk your livelyhood for something that costs less than you make in an hour.

>>4963853
You can buy a scart cable for less than $10, just use the end you need or get a breakout box.

>>4963876
Not really a good deal unless you want it for the aesthetic. Playing in RF is the most retro thing you could do.

>>4965716
Thanks for the tip but this place is filled to the brim with electrical components from past projects, discontinued products, dead inventory from companies that were bought and folded in, and all the other ways a 30 year old electronics company accumulate junk. Most of this stuff hasn't moved in 20 years, and that's not an exaggeration.

>>4965079
what are you asking? there's no reason for that setup not to work.

>>4965736
>Most of this stuff hasn't moved in 20 years, and that's not an exaggeration.

Just because you can justify it in your mind doesn't make it right. You know right and wrong, do the right thing so when you look yourself in the eyes in the mirror you can feel proud about your decisions. $6 worth of connectors isn't worth seeing a thief in the mirror every morning.

>>4965973
Nah, I'll just ask the CEO if I can have them.

>>4966046

Good on you.

>>4965716
Jesus christ what kind of draconian hellscape do you work at that people care if you take a few little bits and pieces?