/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[08-01] Windows versions of Wing Commander 1 & 2 now moddable
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/31/wc1-hack-enables-hd-ships
https://www.wcnews.com/news/2018/07/29/kilrathi-saga-tools-released-use-to-help-identify-music

[08-01] Nightdive releases a remaster of Forsaken
https://youtu.be/OfDSXz1HTYU

[08-01] Complete Clusterfuck updated
https://pastebin.com/ww8UVrk3
https://mega.nz/#F!GdsVnKyY!tBahBv35NujhwVpUxAkpDQ

[08-01] HUMP Mini for Heretic released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101302-hump-mini-community-project-released/

[07-31] LegenDoom updates to 2.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=51035

[07-31] GZDoom 3.5.0 Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61482

[07-31] 2018 Quake award winners announced
http://www.quakeawards.com/2018-award-winners/

[07-29] Addons for Samsara
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=61431

[07-25] Brutal Doom adds in a flamethrower for whatever reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CdCKx7Dd7I&ab_channel=SGtMarkIV

[07-25] Colorful Hell updates to 0.942
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1065240#p1065240

[07-23] Fan-made PBR pack released for Doom 64 Retribution, also compatible with Consolation Prize counterpart
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=61399

[07-19] Redneck Rampage source port in RedneckGDX is now in early development
https://youtu.be/O3CtVzcr_Pg

[07-19] Anon wants some DarkXL things in news post
http://xlengine.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1062&sid=f969982a628c5402743c2964c3390605
https://github.com/luciusDXL/XL-Engine
https://www.gamepressure.com/download.asp?ID=62915

[07-17] Ion Maiden to have a multiplayer beta coming later this year, may lead to proper EDuke32 multi as well
http://www.ionmaiden.com/

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And the humans erected a statue of Cygnis in his honor because he was a good dragon and beat all the demons

>>4959367
>the chad stride
fucking dragon

>>4959367
The custom endscreens in Guncaster come across as a bit cheesy. But it's a cool idea and nice attention to detail though, surprised more 'character' mods don't do that.

>>4959382
I think cheesy was the idea. Though that's a good point about other character mods not having custom end screens.

>>4959386
I mean, one of the few other gameplay mods I recall even replacing the endscreen was Burl Tumd. Guncaster meanwhile covers every IWAD compatible with it and all their episodes.

>>4959393
Pillow's dedication for details everywhere impresses and frightens me.

Skulldash is a very fun mod with diverse maps.


https://www.joshuaosullivan.co.uk/skulldash/

I can't complain because I don't personally have the time or patience to make maps. But I sure wish there were more interesting vanilla mega wads, seems lacking.

I loved Ancient aliens, going down, valiant, etc. But it seems i've played pretty much everything out there.

I forgot, which one was the brony, pillowblaster or majorcooke?

>>4959409
cooke

>>4959409
cooke.

>>4959408
Even Doom Damnation and Interception? Those were kind of good. The former starts a bit slow and seems amateurish, but it picks up fast in quality after the first ep.

>>4959396
>this is just the sprites for firing the longhorn
i still can't believe pillow decided to make sprites for basically all 'suit' type items. Asbestos Suit, Radsuit, Dragh, all of them have different hand sprites. It's crazy.

gunna play metadoom for the first time, what mapset should I use? Preferably something with hordes of hitscanners and imps

>>4959434

Rush maybe?

>>4959439
thanks anon ill giver a go

why do people hate slaughter? I find it brings an interesting dynamic. Consistently moving head on a swivel, find a route and go. When your route gets blocked find a back up plan.

You feel more like doom guy taking on a legion of hell than killing 13 imps in a corridor.

>>4959429
The different hand sprites is what blows me away.
Have you seen how many sprites the plakanomicon has in combined_arms?

>>4959453
I think it was a little over 250 of them, for all the modes.

Also the writeup Kegan put in the decorate for it is funny as fuck since it's one of the most universally liked weapons out there.

>>4959452
>You feel more like doom guy taking on a legion of hell than killing 13 imps in a corridor.
offtopic but who's to say? Doomguy can manage himself perfectly fine in both scenarios, as it has been proven several times before already. he's no less of a badass just because the hell forces happen to take different approaches to their encounters.

hell, I take in the difficulty upscale in later maps in most popular megawads as hell losing its cards and going 'JUST FUCK IT, HE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO GET TO THE ICON, DEPLOY EVERY UNIT WITHIN A 50000 MILE RADIUS AND READY THEM FOR AN ONSLAUGHT. WE'RE TAKING OUT THIS FUCKER NOW OR YESTERDAY'. doesn't mean taking your measurements is bad or anything.

source: me. because I am the Doomguy.

>>4958401
Your playstyle leads to wasting tons of ammo and is thus completely unfeasible for forkstarts. End of the story.

>>4959574
>forkstarts
Is Blood even balanced around this, though?

SEWIE!

>>4959452
slaughtermaps are cool i m o

>>4959452
It's mostly when a wad abruptly shifts from one style of map to another that people don't like it.

I personally find that the slaughtermaps you get towards the end of some megawards tend to be pretty piss poor lazy efforts at mapping in general, let alone at slaughtermaps than the ones you get where it's been the intention from the start.

tl;dr shit slaughtermaps being sprung on people.

>>4959574
only the first episode and the hotel level in the second episode really ammo starves you like that
>>4959616
it is but certain levels are really rough with it like hallowed grounds

>>You can take your ultra-optimized minmaxing and stick it up your ass.
>You know why is that, by the way?
>Because when you do ultra-optimized minmaxing, Blood devolves into a set of minigames specifically tailored for each individual enemy (like two or three strats tops for each one), that have next to nothing to do one with another gameplay-wise, that don't depend on level layout in any significant way, and that include a lot of waiting and generally twiddling your thumbs. After you figure those stable replicatable moves for most enemies, it gets old by like the third level you complete using those tactics custom-tailored for specific enemy types. And then there are another 20 levels in the game still left. Which you complete replicating those exact moves, over and over, ad autismus. Moreover, during that gigantic pile of waste of your time, the waiting factor becomes so unbearable, you start to get annoyed by the slightest input lag there is, by the very fact the dynamite throw needs to be prepped prior to throw, by the very sight of the fucking fantasm, which, on EC, requires fucking FIVE doublebarrel blasts - and for each one it has to be previously baited.
>You see, when you optimize, it just starts to become all the more increasingly apparent, that Blood is a fairly shitty game purely in terms of its systems design.
>I am very happy that OP had found such a nice way of entertaining himself. Unfortunately, it has very little to do with actually playing what this game has to offer (forkstarts included) effectively.

>>4959691
>And, you see, there is a reason I am so adamant on the forkstart question. Because, well, it just so happens, that forkstarting is pretty much the only way to make layouts matter, in any way, in relation to this game's "combat", to factor them back in where they should, for all intents and purposes, belong. You don't forkstart, you are either "playing with yourself", the way OP does, or you are cosplaying a clinical autist. In both cases, the levels just sort of play a role of a fancy looking shit-colored backdrops, not affecting actual gameplay experience in any significant ways.

>>4959691
>>4959701
okay this is epic

>>4959616
Last playthrough I did was forkstart on difficulty 3 with a simultaneous continuous playthrough on difficulty 4.

Stop playing on GZDoom.
Play on PRBoom+.

>>4959802
Why, though?

>>4959802
if i wanted retrofaggotry i would play on Doom95 or DOS

>>4959802
can I run smooth doom on prkboom+-*/?

>>4959802
i already do because im not a onions

>>4959830
>>4959802
>>>/v/

>>4959802
But how am I supposed to play hideous destructor then

>>4959802
no crouch

>>4959830
>I'm not an onions

>>4959839
>>4959835
>>4959829
>using gameplay mods
yikes

>>4959825
>Doom95
why would you do that to yourself?

>>4959802
Oh boy, I can't to wait to play all my 2 mods that are Boom compatible, as opposed to like 60 on GZDoom!

Also I can't wait to be cockblocked by high-flying cacos that I can't run below as apparently they have a forcefield below them because fully 3D collisions would've been too much for 93 computers but today even toasters can do it!

>>4959849
>using the very thing that Doom scene is known for, the game itself was intentionally DESIGNED for, and which kept the game alive for 25 years
Are you also one of those revisionists who claim saving is cheating, instead of intended tactic introduced because people at id were visionairies who fully realized advantages of a gaming machine with rewritable memory because consoles couldn't do that?

>>4959857
Stop fucking giving him attention, retard.

>>4959802
I use GLBoom+ because it runs better on my laptop for some reason. I do prefer the software rendering in PRBoom+, but I'll take what I can get.

>>4959849
>>4959848
>>4959830
>>4959802
based
>>4959825
>>4959815
>>4959829
>>4959831
>>4959835
>>4959839
>>4959852
>>4959857
>>4959869
cringe

>>4959802

can't play heretic on prboom

I'm a little vehicle, short and stout
I move boxes in and out

>>4959452
The only people who complains about slaughtermaps are the ones who suck at them, or don't have powerful enough computers to run them

I will just leave this here.

What mods have an emphasis on melee combat? I've already played GMOTA and DemonSteele.

>>4959815
10x the framerate. If the WAD's compatible, I always prefer PrBoom+ over GZDoom

Could Mozart still be a demon?

>>4959452
I kind of dislike it because I'm kind of just vaguely passable at it if I have plenty of ammo and room to move. I can find it to be tedious busywork, or annoying.

Also, I think it's something that comes down to quality, some people plop down a pile of Barons, which is just going to be fucking tedious.
There's probably low quality slaughter, and high quality slaughter, likewise there's easy slaughter and difficult slaughter.

Thus, if a .wad which showed no indication of it, starts just building a lot of slaughter all of a sudden, I find that rather disappointing, especially if I liked it up to that point.
You either like slaughter or you don't, I guess, it's a matter of tastes.

>>4959574
>forkstart
Who gives a shit about that? Pistol starters are a minority of players, accept it or die.

>>4959983
Hexen

>>4959987
BLASPHEMY

>>4959642
I'd agree on this too, it can come with megawad creation fatigue, if the author runs out of steam/ideas and kind of just decides "Eeey, a big horde, that'll work!", but maybe does kind of a poor job at it.

>>4960037
Except that every map was playtested to be beatable in that mode, if not outright designed around it (due to the impossibility to know for certain, what leftovers if any the player will have from previous levels).

Did anyone made succesful conversion of DoomRL gameplay into actual Doom yet?

>>4959905
Cute

>>4960043
Doom Roguelike Arsenal, but note that it requires a legacy version of GZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=37044

I like to combine it with DoomRPG, but that requires it's own launcher and needs patches, so it gets a little complicated.

>>4959691
>>4959701
Is this a pasta?

>>4960042
Yes, but almost nobody pistol starts any shooter, most people play progressively.

>>4960049
lmao this game is better supported than current shooters

I'm playing Swift Death, a megaWAD full of short but intense level. Playing with Trailblazer made it too easy but I'm enjoying it. I'd recommend vanilla Doom or another kind of weapon mod.

>>4960050
>>>/v/426860528

>>4960062
Oh, the shit opinions come from the shit opinions board, who would have thought?

>>4960062
>>4959691
what is it with /doom/ constantly bringing posts from /v/? like you want us to argue for you or something? do you want to put the posts in a public light to make fun of them without the poster knowing?

>>4960075
Well that looks pretty fucking cool, what is it?

>>4960069
>that based fedoraman saving the day with his witty interjection
What would've we ever done without you.

>>4960075
wut dis

>>4960049

>Doom Roguelike

tfw you rarted and always thought RL meant Real Life

>>4960076
>>4960130
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/85532-nova-iii-link-to-new-thread-in-op/

>>4960161
Ops, holy fucking hell they made 3 threads just to update this thing, here's the right link: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98624-nova-iii-mapping-deadline-31st-october/

>>4960097
>muh memes about vidya are more important than directly talking about vidya
Underage shitbags like you are one of the 2 primary reasons why /v/ hasn't been good since 2013.

Is there anything like Smooth Doom for Heretic? I can't find anything myself but, maybe someone else knows more

>>4959357
>there is newdark Dark engine sourceport but no darkvanilla nor ZDark sourceports
WHY

What other wides use the "floating cube that gives you items if you simply go under it" thing from Plutonia?
I know Super Mayhem 17 does it by masking the cybe as a question mark block from Mario

>>4960201
Such big words. Fates of /v/ and /vr/ intertwined. Wow. Way cool.
Which part of you post is directly talking about vidya again?

>>4960286
>Implying that /v/ and /vr/ are the same boards

>>4960201
Actually PLEB /v/ hasn't been good since 2009

>>4959691
>Blood devolves into a set of minigames specifically tailored for each individual enemy (like two or three strats tops for each one), that have next to nothing to do one with another gameplay-wise, that don't depend on level layout in any significant way, and that include a lot of waiting and generally twiddling your thumbs. After you figure those stable replicatable moves for most enemies, it gets old by like the third level you complete using those tactics custom-tailored for specific enemy types.
First off, it's completely normal for there to be a few strategies that are ideal for an individual enemy. What, do you expect every weapon on tactic to be viable on every enemy? Second, no, you don't just repeat the same strategy on enemies every time, because the situations you're faced with are different. You may not have enough ammo, you may be rushed for time, etc etc. I wouldn't normally use a rocket launcher on cultists but if I have it out and there's a crowd of them endangering me, I'll blast em. And there are a million other examples where circumstances (ie level design) shake things up.

>>4959802
I hate the way mouse movement feels. Chocolate Doom feels better.

>>4960075
>when people use game-specific iconography in their unrelated mods
It feels totally jarring to people actually familiar with those games to randomly see a Serpent Riders' trident in a Doom mod

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=099b20a1de3b9d9144504d1b3eea1369&start=1410#p1067465
Here's some MetaDoom news from Kinsie

>>4960332
Why on earth would that be an issue? It's a mod, it could be fucking teletubbies if someone wanted. Since when can't people make doom mods about other series?

Look below, there's even statues of the centaurs. This is clearly meant to be serpent riders-related.

>>4960327
why are you arguing with someone quoting someone else from a dead thread.

>>4960327
It's almost like the guy you're addressing is a garden variety dumbass from /v/.

>>4960327
Your points are good bro but you're talking to a brianless void.

>>4960443
Excuse me, I'll have you know that my first name is Brian.

>>4960482
Hi Brian

>>4960482
How rude of me, I beg your pardon.

>>4960327
Your points are good bro but you're talking to a brianless Brian.

Is the guy who was working on a scoring system for Doom still here?

>>4959983

That's pretty much it.

>>4960386
I'll give it another shot. MetaDoom has always been a good-not-great gameplay mod but I like to try it every now and again.

>>4960575
The wall shield no longer blocks your attacks, the hand grenade is no longer a weaker version of the grenade launcher and the stun bomb from the lightning gun looks nicer and might as well be bigger than previously

>>4960593
i'm down

>>4960663
what are you doing down there

>>4960663
what are you doing on the floor all covered in blood?
hey, is that a chaingunne

>>4960827
Hey, what's that behind the...

>>4960827
>>4960663
don't worry, I got thi

>>4960663
>>4960827
>>4960828
>>4960829
stop dying you fucking faggo

>>4960828
SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT WHERE'S MY BFG

>>4960663
>>4960827
>>4960827
>>4960828
>>4960829
>>4960836
>>4960837
sorry, I forgot the Hell teleporter open

>>4959983
Play Strife

test

>>4960861
>playing Strife
Trust no one.

>>4960663
> anon - 7m
> get the fuck up
> get the fuck up
> you helped up anon

>>4960868
Test, this is a Test, Test, Test, This is a Test
Here we go, bring your name, we can hold peace

okay Bloody Steel is cool

>>4960875

>>4960868
JOHNNY TEST

>>4960913
/co/ don't bring that evil upon us

>>4960913

>>4959839
Disgusting

just noticed that the original doom 3 marine and the roe guy had different armor

>>4960913
*guitar riff*

>>4960663
>>4960816
>>4960827
>>4960828
>>4960829
>>4960837
this is how we get dead marine bodies. they're not just map decoration.

>>4960967
It's like Dark Souls, except a player is killed they leave behind a corpse instead of a bloodstain.

>>4960836
IT KEEPS HAPPENI

>>4960973
That's an interesting idea, when dying on a spot frequently, putting down a dead marine can be funny.

hey guys how's it goi
why
why the fuck are you on the ground

>>4960979
I'm sure there's no conceivable way to have corpses from another player show up in your game, but something like having a corpse appear at the spot you died, and upon activating it, it spawns a ghost marine that mirrors what you were doing four or five seconds leading up to your death, that sounds doable.

dude I got the BFG

>>4960992
I meant more for mapmaking, but sure, you could maybe do that Dark Souls thing, show a phantom circlestrafing and either get cornered or he falls off the side of a cliff.

Though with the latter, his body would probably be down the gulch.

>>4960836
NO!
I MUST KILL THE DEMO

>>4961001
I don't know shit about mapmaking and I'm new to doom mods in general but I could see how it could be even more useful for mapmaking. You place down a corpse in a high-danger area, and when you activate it, you see a ghost of the marine and possibly whatever monsters were in that area that killed him, which could clue you in on just how many archviles are around the corner.

>Checking Doomwiki's trivia section
>"Did you know that the lost soul sprite was retouched for Doom 2, but the PlayStation ports of Doom retained the previous version? "
When?
I never noticed it.

>>4960954
*whipcrack sound*

doom mod that replaces every sound with the whipcrack when

>>4961080
Replace every sound effect with "bazinga" and every texture with a spread of the word "bazinga" in comic sans

>>4961090
thats a terrible idea unless that would be in addition to the whipcrack sound replacement ofc

>>4959987
Imagine a mod with an extremely limited amount of missiles that do fucking insane amounts of splash damage, but can also break open doors. You'd have to think about what you want to use them for.

>>4961075
There's like a couple of subtle changes on him from the original release, and the updated versions.

The fire is changed a little here and there (including around the corners of his mouth), the most noticeable change was his forehead, right above the eyesockets. I'm sure somebody has a comparison image.

>>4961090
Someone already did that for Left 4 Dead, come up with a new idea.

>>4960049
>a legacy version of GZDoom

You can also use the final ZDoom build, if you prefer.

>>4961090
There should be a mod that makes every sound effect in the game play at the same time whenever any sound plays.

Nostalgia Critic just reviewed the Doom movie if anyone feels like that's news-worthy. I have no idea.

>>4960836
What the hell? There's no snipers in do

>>4961117
>Someone already did that for Left 4 Dead
Where the fuck do you think I got the idea from

>>4961135
does the review waste more time on "comedic" skits than actual reviewing?

>It's a "point plank shotgun blast doesnt kill a chaingunner in one hit and before you reload he has enough time to fill you with lead" episode

>>4961135
I stopped watching him around the time those scandals went down, damn near everybody left the site, and the fat british guy named himself winner of the Channel Awesome Hunger Games.
I don't intend to restart now.

>>4959852
Oh boy, I can't wait for this huge map to become a slideshow because GZDoom has horrendous optimization!

I want someone to make a scavenger+ mod, where in addition to breaking down stuff like a box of 20 shotgun shells into 5 sets of 4 shotgun shells, it will also break 4 shotgun shells into individual shotgun shell. Same with clips and stuff.

>>4961171
you should have stopped fucking years ago
I knew It was too far gone back in the Demo Reel days
Im so fucking ashamed of even watching any of those people

>>4961175
Do you seriously have issues running gzdoom?

>>4961185
GZDoom having problems with extremely large maps or maps with lots of elements within them is a well known fact.

>>4961171
Hey you respect GuruLarry, he's NC's best pal!

>>4961195
I'm not trying to throw shade at him, I just forgot his name beyond the word "Larry".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdseODwunyc

How do I git gud at mapping

How do I turn off mouse move in PBoom+?

>>4961210
Map some more.

>>4961135
God, why doesn't he just quit and move on to another project?

>>4961184
I never even saw that one. I kind of just vaguely lost interest over time.
Of all the CA people who I actually did keep up with, it was Spoony, and he just basically threw in the towel completely, which was disappointing to see.

>>4961135
No it's not news worthy

NC is garbage and I hate what he represents

>>4960913
>>4960954
>>4961080
Johnny Test is a fucking piece of crap show make by a blowhard fake cartoonist who also made the mediocre tripe supernoobs.

>>4961227
Hey, what did Doug Walker, Rob Walker, and Linkara ever do that was so bad?

>>4961236

>>4959357
WHAT MOD IS THIS FROM?

>>4960930
I would fuck that alligator no problem.

Fucking hell, what a mess. It's hard to get a great look at, because it's really just a pile of gore and pinkies on the screen, but when the pinky gibs, he won't just throw his arms, legs and heads in every direction (along with lots of blood and viscera), he'll also leave a pile of carnage as a 'body'.

Also Perdition's Gate is *kinda* picking up a bit, it's not as dreary and dull as the first couple of levels, but it still feels like it lacks something.

>>4961178
Wouldn't really be that hard to do I think.
An easier route would be to just make the shellbox a sequential pickup that gives you one shell per tic (each stage of it) as you touch it, until the box is empty or your inventory is full.

There's a similar thing in Immoral Conduct, only it does it two at a time (so if your inventory only can take one more shell, you'll still pick two when you touch it, meaning you can potentially waste a shell, thus you still have to consider and be strategic about the pickup).
I wonder if I should change that? Or leave it as is?

Can we stop discussing other shows & e-celebs and talk about, I dunno, Doom?

>>4961243
Doom Center

>>4961246
what an mess

>>4961239
A bunch of things, actually.

>>4961248
If you tell me where that's from, that map looks neat.

>the amount of time rotfish in quake take before their body becomes non-solid

>>4961248
Joke's on you, I want to talk about Quake!

>>4961251
SNAP
CRACKLE

>>4961260
The satisfying bubbling sound makes up for it.

>>4961260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME SOMEONE NOTICED

>>4961263
What do you want to talk about?

>>4961210
practice
look at what other mappers did before you, how and why
more practice

>>4961217
Options -> Mouse Sensitivity -> turn Vertical to 0

>>4961263
HUH

>>4961210
As the other guy said, practice, fool around.
Look at some elements of some maps you like, and see how you can adapt a similar idea without outright ripping it off. Homages are fine for noob mappers, especially if you put a spin on it.

Also, the Evolution Of The Wad series kind of gives you some ideas on mapping theory for Doom, tells you about a couple of pitfalls, and some things to consider and to reflect on. It's also kinda entertaining, at that. At least if you really like Doom.
The episodes are sometimes kinda long though, so schedule time on like a Saturday or Sunday when you aren't really doing much, it'll pass a lazy afternoon.

>>4961210
I don't know anything about mappan but I would begin by taking a look at what are considered the best maps ever made, then compare them to what are considered weak maps, figure out what the major differences about them are, then make sure to avoid making those mistakes. I would also study the individual and group strengths and weaknesses of monsters, and place them as intuitively as possible.

A few passages from The Art of War come to mind

"By holding out advantages to him, he can cause the enemy to approach of his own accord,; or by inflicting damage, he can make it impossible to draw near."

"If the enemy is taking his ease, he can harass him; if well supplied with food, he can starve him out; if quietly encamped, he can force him to move."

In other words, you should consider the player your enemy and make your map with the intention of killing him. If there's a place the player wants to go, make it dangerous for him; if there were a large number of pickups in the area previous, force him to use more ammunition or take more damage; if there's a safe zone, make it dangerous after some time. But be fair about it, make sure they have the tools necessary to progress, but never just outright give it to them.

I'm not a nerd I swear

>>4961210
Don't be afraid to go wild and do some weird shit.

>>4961239
I don't think Linkara did anything truly bad except for the AT4W movie but the Walkers were complicit with all of CA's unprofessional management.

why the FUCK can't i change the gamma in ezquake

I tried changing it in the settings, I tried changing it in the console, I tried disabling vid_hwgammacontrol, tried vid_restart, but it's still just dark as shit

guys, i'm old, i'm colorblind, my monitor is shitty, pls help me see

>>4961460
I thought you would already have Quake set up, Kegan.

>>4959452
It doesn't help that lazy fucks slap a pile of slaughter maps at the end of what start out as good WADs. Most wouldn't care if regular and slaughter WADs stuck to their own side, but "surprise slaughter" has left a sour taste in the mouths of many.

As for slaughter itself, it is a chore, a tedious, fatiguing grind with little ebb and flow. If designed poorly, it can also feel like a cheap, unfair "challenge" that easily overwhelms many players and eventually leaves them dissatisfied with the repetition of their many deaths.

>>4961248
what map?
I need to stea, I mean, get inspiration for a chandelier texture

Is it weird that I hate the chainsaw in doom but I love the gauntlets of the necromancer in heretic?

>>4961480
Bloody Steel. And I believe it's the chandelier from Heretic anyways.

>>4961490
> first ever chainsaw in fps
> going full emperor palpatine
the sound the gauntlets make when you select them does things to me

>>4961490
>chainsaw vs UNLIMITED POWER
gee I wonder anon

>>4961473
who!?!??!??!!?

Playing through Scythe again UV pistol start; last time I tried it years ago, I ended up throwing in the towel at MAP30 I think.

I really, really enjoy MAP26. It's a slaughtermap, but it's still small and easy to process where I should be going and doing. Are there other slaughtermaps like this, or is this just kiddy pool stuff?

>>4961490
They shoot lightning and leech health. If only you could raise the dead with them like their name would lead you to believe.

>>4961515
>If only you could raise the dead
I'm sure it could be modded in somehow

>>4961524
rip gzdoom, lithium

>>4961473
Other colorblind people exist you know. Plus my monitor isn't shitty

>>4961524
>I just wish people would stop trying to find fault in something I make for fun and esoterica
I got bad news for you, chief.

>>4961441

Maybe Metadoom can turn the tide and end up in a ranking of CLASSIC DOOM MODS

I can be fixed.

>I sure wish this mapset would feature some different locales already.
>Oh, a brown map
>and the same diagonal brown tile texture is used for over half the map
>the other parts includes the same old grey metal panels

He didn't drive so good.

(French Meat)

>>4961663

keep posting blood <3

>>4961608
Reminds me of TimeSplitters' Cyberden.

>>4961671
There are so many cool areas & details in this mapset.

This area in particular looks a little familiar...

>>4961164
I fucking hate when this shit happens.

This WAD might only be 8(?) maps long but they are long dense maps with plenty of eye candy

>>4961524
Graf god damn it

>>4961728
I can assure you, that though I have never played Timesplitters, it likely has more exciting maps than Perdition's Gate.

>>4960369
A WIP

>>4961771
I thought the page read 10 maps

>>4961771
cool, what WAD is it

>>4961803
bloody steel, i think
really impressive work, definitely one of the best-looking boom sets

>>4961765
What did they mean by this?

>>4961809

>>4959358

>>4961881
Still one of the better images related to Doom

>>4961886

>>4961246
What mods are you running?

>>4961524
Since when does making something for fun mean you can't be criticized? Every mod gets it.

>>4961809
ALLAHU MARINAAAAAAAX

>>4961967
Is this seriously going where I think it's going

hmm
WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dssMcuA4vg

>>4961223
>God, why doesn't he just quit and move on to another project?
isn't that what he tried to do multiple times then failed?

>>4961551
It's the one mod that actually mixes every Doom game at once, so it has that idea to go with at least

>>4962186
At this point, we might get Price from the COD:MW trilogy

>>4962186
Bulletstorm? What is this mod becoming? At first it was QC in Doom, then it was knock-off Samsara, now it seems to just take any FPS title.

>>4962309
Better yet, we might get non FPS characters too

>>4962186
>>4962309
>>4962312
They don't even have unique weapons so its much easier to do.

But also makes no fucking sense and feels more like adding shit for sake of adding shit at this point.

>>4959357
Another suggestion for the next thread image :P

>>4962336(me)
OH FUCK wrong upload, here's the edited one.

>>4961523
It could be modded in with Decorate, even.

>>4962338
Wasn't it decided that the rockets in doom were about as half as tall as doomguy? That picture makes plenty of sense.

>>4962346
Not sure, but i made it for fun because it makes sense anyway for the huge amount of stuff Doomguy needs to carry around so...

There's a pistol restart in Bloody Steel so I'm back to few guns and low ammo

>>4961671

But that's australia

Doom franchise on sale on Steam. Should i buy Doom or Ultimate Doom? The latter seem to be the more obvious choice because it adds a new episode. It's heavily implied i'm a complete noob on this serie, i've played a lot of games, Heretic, Quake, Strife, Blake Stone, Rise of the Triad, Duke Nukem, Blood, Hexen and many more, and now it's finally the time to explore one of the pillars. Don't know why i didn't do so before, perhaps i was too absorbed with build games at the time. inb4 don't buy the Steam version; please don't tell me that. Just tell me if you think the "new" episode is worth it or not. Thank you guys, hopefully you'll not kick me out of here like a /v/ infant.

>>4962496
Go for ultimate doom, but if you're looking to indulge in community made maps and mods, get doom 2. you can also save yourself a few bucks by going to the OP link and downloading the games there if you don't mind piracy.

I really just can't stop

>>4962508
Thank you very much, i appreciated a lot your comment. Don't worry, Doom 2 is the one i've already taken with closed eyes. What do you think about Final Doom and the Master Levels? I probably already know the answer for the latter, kek. (spoiler: it's shit, or at least it's what most of the anons here think)

>>4962323
it's from the creator of AEOD, what did you expect?

>>4962512
>fireball scorch mark isn't fireblu
If these were more uncivilized times, you'd be drawn and quartered.

>>4962496
Spot the fraud.

>>4962539
you can't apply shaders to decals

>>4962529
Final Doom is good.

>>4962553
You could replace the decals with FIREBLU pngs that uses original decal as alpha map.

>>4962563
the point of this experiment was to use shaders

I go inside the manor

>>4962512
Now make the texture slowly slide sideways. It's a nice way to test your vestibular system!

>>4962591
be brave little anon

>>4962323
What are you even complaining about? How does this character hurt the game in any way?

>>4962592
AAAAAAAAAA

>>4962609
because it's marking a specific moving point from being knockoff quake champions to emulate its roster, to knockoff samsara to being about oldschool fpses, to now just whatever the fuck and making it bloated

like the samsara add-ons, except official

should i buy doom and doom2 on steam or should i just get gzdoom?

>>4962619
I still don't see the issue, it's a mod, the guy can do whatever he wants. Again, how does this hurt the game in any way? Are you sure this isn't just your autism flaring up because things aren't exactly how you'd like them rather than there being an actual flaw?

>>4962624
>should I pay for a thing and know with outmost certainty that creators of the thing would not get a dime?
gee, anon, I don't know...

I'm surrounded by soldiers....

Is there no escape...?

>>4962675
>I still don't see the issue, it's a mod, the guy can do whatever he wants.
yes, congratulations
the man is capable of doing whatever he wants
he can also make all of the guns pink and add starman from earthbound as a character
does stating the obvious make you feel smart?

>Again, how does this hurt the game in any way?
because a concise and clear direction for any product makes it better
no real direction means getting bloated with needless content to the point where it overwhelms the core experience

What's the easiest way to pistol start?

I did a changemap but it still started me with my current equipment

>>4962186
i may like what DBT did to D4T and D4D but he's devolving back to his AEOD phase

>>4962769
just use the map command instead

im starting to imagine Samus in GMOTA, but the same time i see it as a reskin of Dreadnought though

>Missiles can Explosive Crossbow Shots, Pressing R may unleash a Magic Infused shot
>Morph Ball is Shrink potions
>She can throw bombs while shrink
>Varia Armor increases her HP and Armor threshold
>Gravity Armor Gives her resistance to environment
>Energy Tanks increases her HP as always but she takes more damage, hence why upgrades are needed

>>4961904

>>4961886

>>4962687
sooo....that's a yes?

>>4962848

>>4962809
sauce on image?

>>4962849
brainlet

>>4962849

>>4962853
>https://www.deviantart.com/wyvernsmasher/art/Medieval-Samus-398416490

>>4962862
thanks

>>4962851
Archievile vs The Trailblazer when?

>>4962624
Get GZDoom.

>>4962878
Yes, the green toilet.

>>4962878
never gets old

>>4962878
now do the same with brutal doom 64 for multicolored fog

>>4962883
reminder that it was only fixed because I brought it up in the Champions thread shortly after its release, rather than BD ever updating to fix its broken mess

brutal doom, and project brutality by association in many cases, are a perfect means of testing just how fucking broken and incompatible it is if you mix just the right lethal cocktail of catastrophe

who's excited to watch the doom eternal stream on friday then bitch and moan?

>>4962894
what time (and timezone) does it start?

>>4962904

Starts on bethesdas twitch, at 11AM central

>>4962878
Shame it was a light green toilet instead of the dark green. Then it would also have have green creep underneath it.

>>4962894
don't forget the inevitable bucket of disappointment with quake champions

>>4962904
friday 11am CST, not exactly the best time

>>4962913

I'm not sure how I can get any more disappointed than I already am

gimme some lesser known gameplay/weapon mods to use

>>4962878

>>4962873
Can't he get both?
Also, GZDoom is mod focused and has shit default settings

>>4962894
dude im pumped ngl

>>4962894
When are Bethesda gonna grow balls and get Doomguy in Smash?

I love the plasma rifle replacement for plutonia final doomer

>>4962894
I'll be at quakecon watching it

>>4962973

you better act like a big queer

i never want to play this mapset again
those last few maps were just absolutely miserable
way too many fucking archviles, even in vanilla it would be obnoxious, never mind the horrible things they do in hideous destructor

>>4961912
A WIP retool of Immoral Conduct.

>>4962285
I'll send a request

>>4962972
I've never played Plutonia or most of the other major megawads. Should I play them for the first time with Final Doomer? Or does the game play change significantly enough that I'm better off appreciating the level design in vanilla?

>>4962950
Immoral Conduct

>>4963039
Final Doomer makes the game significantly easier.

>>4962591
map?

got a question regarding decorate:
could a defined decoration, be it a sprite or model, block line of sight?

>>4962609
not him but is not retro
I'm ok with it anyway, bullerstorm is an arcade fps, he should add painkiller guy and serious sam

>>4962624
I bought doom on steam and also use it with my ports

>>4963045
Bloody Steel, Map 6

>>4963046
nope, and line of sight checks are too low level for zscript to mess with it either
you could replace every monster with versions that check if the LOS between them and whatever thing they're looking for collides with any such decorations, but that sounds like a right pain in the ass. I can't think of any other way though.

>>4962920
they will also announce a doom funko pop for android

>>4963060
I'm just going to assume every single screenshot from now on is bloody steel

>>4963043
A bunch of OP weapons then? thanks for the heads up.
I'll take easiness as a bad thing and play it vanilla first

>>4963071
fucking hell

>>4963069
oh well, too bad, guess I gotta mess with origins of some models so I can have raised sectors inside of them to block LoS, then again its not really a critical thing, might resort to simply making sector art for few setpieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZUJP76en70
:^)

>>4963085
A dynamic music system?

>>4963094
Yep.

>>4963085
seems like shit, m8

changing music based upon arbitrary but common events (being surrounded by enemies, giant enemies, bosses) means the music is going to be constantly changing suddenly into completely different tunes, not seguing into each other

i'm already sick of d_runnin and hearing the start of it time and time again for that video was pretty damn shit

>>4963108
It's obviously a proof of concept.

I think the proper use of it is to tailor it for a mapset, where you have regular music running most of the time, but then you have a special high tempo track for certain moments.
A little bit like Resident Evil Gaiden, I guess.

>>4962971
What the hell would be his final smash?

>>4963121
BFG9000. Doom 4 style so it'd shoot out a big slow ball of energy that zaps fuckers as it slowly travels and explodes violently after a set distance

>>4963053
>not him but is not retro
Neither is Quake Champions, Doom 4 or Doom Eternal yet we happily discuss them here without hinder, what's your point?

>>4963121
First person shooting with Doomguy's status bar face and maybe switching between weapons
>inb4 glory punching the Smash cast in first person to kick them out of the stage
Doom 4 kinda gave a lot of new moves and weapons for the Doomguy, his recovery could be the Delta boots

>>4963141
Doom 4 and Quake Champions have sorta solidified the idea that Doomguy is a punchy and kicky dude.

>>4963154
This
I'm sure if we research the series, there's some material Doom can have for crossover potential

How do the demons know to put the human remains in the dumpster?

Samsara monster mixer anon, got any update?

>>4963157
I think a Doomguy without a shotgun wouldn't be worth playing at all. Bayonetta exists with guns, but Doom's have always been more realistic outside of the 6 & 7 slots.

>>4963160
I guess it's just a convenient container for bodies? That's all skulls though, so one wonders where the rest of the bodies are.

>>4963160

the zombiemen are actually wearing garbage man uniforms

>>4963167
Wouldn't they have eaten them?

>>4963168

They weren't soldiers either, just UAC janitors

>crouching
>jumping
>limit removing sourceports
>colored lighting
>gameplay mods released this century
>WADs released this century
>modern contests, events, releases or other news
any of the above is not retro and can fuck off

Imagine if Doom didn't have violence and you just kicked back and relaxed in your nice home.

>>4963164
There is some "stylized" versions of those weapons and D4 gave him a bit more stuff to play with
If they can use a QC SSG, they might as well make Quad Damage an item

Well look at that!

Bloody Steel ends with it thanking YOU for making it!

>>4963179

No, you can fuck off

>>4963179
Look at the kiddo trying to start shit.
At the very least limit removing source ports are in fact from last century.
Not that it matters

>>4963180

i want this now

>>4963179
>limit removing sourceports
boom came out in 1998 dumbass

>>4963193
>that prboomer who can't run gameplay mods

>>4963193
>>4963189
Defend the other shit then '16 babbies

>>4963179

>>4963179
> playing on hardware made this century
> playing on hardware that exists in this century
> existing in this century
> literally not travelling back in time

>>4963208

>>4963212
>using CONTEMPORARY time travel methods

Not retro

>>4963213
The remains of a pain elemental

>>4963180
It just wasn't meant to be.

>>4963226
You deserve every second of this.

>>4963179

>>4963230
There's a part of jaw on my coffee table

sigh...

Finally, a keyboard I can use to play Hideous Destructor!

>>4963230
"Grab be heart meds!"

>>4963180
IRL that's about the time I fire up some DOOM, Anon.

>>4962858
>>4962859
did you idiots seriously fall for my bait?

>>4962624
GZDoom is a sourceport. Steam version sucks, the only reason to buy it is that it's a legal way to get the WADs to use with a sourceport, if you care about that.

>>4962957
i bought doom and doom 2
was shit and instantly refunded it
going for gzdoom

>>4963260
>iwasonlypretending.jpg

>>4963240
i get by just fine on a 60%, and my mouse only has left and right click bound
you know the stuff that's listed as optional in controls really is optional

>>4963278
That's a neat little keyboard. What kinda switches does it have?

>>4963307
MX Whites, it was the only option at the time I ordered it. Other switches were listed but only for pre-order.

>>4963045
Hopefully that mod will help you, because I just played this map and there's way too little fucking ammo. Had to run past 99% of enemies.

You gotta be fucking kidding me. Now in addition to humping all the walls I also need to blow them all up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-6G1P9gtc&t=2m26s

>>4963197
>gameplay mods
yikes

>>4963331
Broke:humping every wall you come across
Woke: only humping suspicious walls that have subtle clues

>playing 1v1 quake 3 arena
>down like 17-10 out of 20 frags
>this comes on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZlSHGFfdc
>bring it back 17-17
>he clutches it out and better players me but fuck i could feel the fear in his play, dude started playing safe/zoning with rockets

shit this really is a good game

Having trouble animating with GLSL. I'm trying to blend between two textures in a 4x1 texture sheet. When I do a simple, uniform blend, everything looks fine. But when I try something complex and use the texture's brightness or its X position to adjust the animation offset, I get ugly single color bands at the transition point between the two textures. Anyone know what could be causing it?

code: https://pastebin.com/zTYNwmW1

>>4963353
The official games have some pretty nasty secrets here and there like "walk through this invisible linedef and a chunk of wall halfway across the map opens for a few seconds".

excuse me kind gentlemen, doomlet here, how do I look the code of other mods to know how they are made?

>>4963414
slade 3

>>4962512
>tfw I was the guy who requested this
Killing every stream's bit rate has never felt so liberating...
>>4962539
Nah, not EVERYTHING should be FIREBLU.
There needs to be a uhh... let's call it "An identity of the player", that keeps itself seperate from the world of FIREBLU so that you can still easily tell what and where you are and...
...this makes no sense at all, does it?

>>4963414
Use Slade, friend. (It's a Doom editor)

>>4963134
they're modern iterations in a retro franchise, you nigger

are we seriously going to have this discussion again

>>4962878
This s'posed to be like prop hunt or somethin'?

>>4963427
It was the first release of Champions. Sgt.Mark's code somehow recognizes things like toilets and the PLAYER of all things as monster classes that could be affected by Champions' random alterations for monsters.

>>4963414

In addition to SLADE, if the mods are pk3 files you can just unzip them.

I sometimes play Unloved but hardcore mode. Like if I die I have to start over from the beginning. Will I ever beat my favourite megaWAD like this?

>>4963430

From the very first level? How is that even fun?

>>4963416
>>4963418
>>4963429
but let just imagine that there is a compiled acs (.o) inside the mod and there is no source

>>4963440
Oh.
Shit, that's a good question

>>4963440
Sounds like you're fucked. Perhaps contact the author. There is a program called Descript for decompiling but it only works for Hexen-format ACS.

Perdition's Gate does pick up a bit by the second third, I guess the first third is just incredibly weak.

Sometimes the visuals are actually a bit more interesting.
I really don't get why the first part has to be so mostly dull.

>>4963471
What the fuck are those textures? Is that in the wad unmodded?

>>4963480
Yes. I have no idea what that blue/metallic grey shit is supposed to be, if it's like rocks, crystals, or some kind of construct, the area mostly comes off as looking kind of cave-like.

It's interesting because until then, the environments have been extremely boring and samey, so the level actually gives some surprises for once.
Here's another one, the level has a series of gates which teleport to I guess different worlds or dimensions. I think this is supposed to be some kind of hell planet.

It's also Map 15, so the secret exit is there.

>>4963491
I guess this place was kind of a sneak preview of what the 'hell' levels are going to start looking like later in the campaign.

>>4963494
Secret room.

>>4963495
So Perdition's Gate has this peculiar way of storytelling where instead of a graphic showing you the next level name, it's showing you a little text blurb telling you a little bit of exposition.

This is going into Map 31, which, uh, has some interesting visuals and ideas going for it.

>>4955812
this has given me an idea

Actually on the subject of quake 3 arena, my installation crashes once I load up any map at all. Without bots it seems to last a little bit longer, but it crashes within a minute, though I can move around for a couple of seconds and maybe grab some items.

Anybody want to help? I'm running Windows 10 (yeah yeah), tried using Windows 7 compatibility mode and Windows XP compatibility mode, both service pack 2 and 3, along with disabling fullscreen optimization.

Don't think 256 colors will make a difference.

It may be a resolution problem, I feel like lower resolutions are less likely to crash, but it's not 100% and could just be random.

First thing you see starting Map 31, is a scrolling wall with menacing faces on it. I guess this is the living rock? They look kind of evil-ish or demonic though.

You drop down from there into a small arena (you basically land with your ass on a Berserk pack, making you bring up your first, just as two shotgunners train their sights at you, which wasn't so fun. Hard to dodge.
There's four "tubes" with each player start to drop down from, a different evil face in each.

>>4963510
what ever it is
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k

I AIN'T AFRAID'A NO DOOM!

>>4963513
CNQ3 1.50
https://playmorepromode.com/downloads

>>4963523
This is menacing and surreal as fuck to look at, the faces scroll.

Guy who is making his own edit of immoral conduct please stop posting screenshots its making me want ur edit really bad

>>4963108
>the music is going to be constantly changing suddenly into completely different tunes, not seguing into each other
>so it's shit
thatslikeyouropinionm8.jpg
No, seriously. I'm completely fine if the music suddenly changes to some death metal when I'm about to die, for example. "Oh, but that'll make the game look fucked/messed up" -- not like it's gonna be spammed every second or some shit. So yeah, that's just your opinion, sir.

Looks kind of groovy if you bathe the room in red light.

>>4963545
Well I was really wanting to write my thoughts about this secret level, it's about to get fucking weirder soon, too.

>>4963528
I have a basic grasp on importing and rigging, now I just need to figure out how to pose, screenshot, and convert to sprites

So now the level gets fucking weird, where the 'living rock' stuff fades off into a bright white, and you can't really orient yourself properly a lot without looking at the map.

I'm not sure if this symbolizes some kind of portal transition or something. I've seen some unusual mapping before, but nothing quite like this.

>>4963545
Also, I'm going to publish a beta, in time.

Playing Doom 2 on Ultra Graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlxmTBjBZc

>>4963559
disgusting

what is the WORST doom mod of all time?

>>4963559

It just looks like an open source Quake fork from 2004

>>4963562
>>4963567
Don't enable.

>>4963563
I wanna eat that cacodemons ass out

>>4963563
your favourite one.

>>4963563
I think it is Lowpoly Pack by vasyan777

>>4963563

i wanna FUCK that caco

>>4963563
Cybie

>>4963573
>>4963578
based

>>4963563
Guncaster

>>4963563
delete this yesterday

>>4963583
why did you spell h-doom wrong?