/vr/ - Retro Games

>Necessary

I do not agree. Though that is not to say that I am opposed to others using them.

None. They look bad.

>>496007

I don't use any. Why are they necessary?

Necessary?

How?

I have never understood the need for filters. I mean, if you like them, fine, but I don't and everything looks just fine to me.

Play the game in its original resolution and a microscope, it looks marvelous.

People are such big babies about old video games.

>>496007

I've never used any on 8 and 16 bit emulation. Why are they necessary?

>>496007
I play around with them a lot. NTSC palette + filter on FCEUX is nice because it recreates the effect of playing on an old CRT with a composite cable fairly accurately, and I grew up with just such a setup. I also use TV mode a lot. Sometimes I use hq4x just for shits and giggles, and sometimes I play with no filter at all.

The only ones I really don't like are scanlines and dot matrix because the effects are kind of overkill and it makes it harder to see what's happening in the game.

I don't much care whether other people use filters or not.

>>496019
do even enjoy anything?

The ugliest one I can find. I don't much like pixels, and I believe that reducing detail actually increases subjectively perceived detail.

I kind of have this problem choosing between using the rca or rf inputs on my nes

>>496041
Video games.

>>496041

Clearly he enjoys not using filters.

>>496050
>RF

Mmmm... static.

>>496058
apparently not ones that are enhanced for your nostalgic pleasure

I WISH I could love Scanlines-esque filters, but usually they don't end up looking like a TV at all. Besides, I'm already looking through one screen, I don't want it to look like another.
Most of the time, I usually just plug my computer into a CRT.

>>496048
Apparently your windows color scheme is just as ugly.

>>496075
Not everyone needs to blur and add pretend scanlines to enjoy nostalgia.

>>496087
You're probably right about that.

>>496094
>pretend scan lines
>simulated scan lines
>without scan lines

Why do you hate vidya?

>>496114
You gave my eyeballs cancer.

>>496114
green, it's candy for the eyes.

no really, it's actually unhealthy for your eyes.

>>496115
>Doesn't accept other's opinions
I actually enjoy video games and I don't need to shit on them to do it too. But go ahead, please continue to be a faggot and shitpost in threads whenever anyone makes you mad.
Yeah, u mad.

Those who don't use filters a pleb-tier /v/ermin that don't belong here. I bet they don't even correct the aspect ratio. Hell, I bet they use ZSNES too.

>>496138
those who must use filters an don't play in original hardware a pleb-tier /v/ermin that don't belong here. I bet they don't even correct the aspect ratio.

I use the pixelate shader with retroarch to correct scaling issues which result in uneven pixel rows/column size.

Other than that, none. I like my pixels razor sharp.

I understand why people do use some filters and shaders, though, either for nostalgia or, in the case of some games like Sonic, to help take advantage of pseudo-transparency effects. I just prefer not to use them.

>>496127
Put some sauce on that, thanks.

I like green because it's soothing, not too dark and not too bright. I've never had eye strain ever since going green.

>Never used filters
>"Oh hey, a filter thread! Maybe they can spur me to use them more often, and which are best!"
>Non-filter guys: "Eh, I don't like em. To each their own tho."
>Filter guys: "GOD WHY CAN'T YOU PLAY VIDEO GAMES RIGHT?"

A NTSC filter/shader is a must. Those games were designed to be looked on a NTSC TV and the filter helps achieve that look. The other filters are shit.

>Designed to be displayed on a CRT display

I hear this being repeated, but it raises the question, what was the alternative display which games could have been designed for?

>>496159
I find it exceedingly hard to believe you have never used filters and still found your way onto this website

I don't use filters at all, emulators just don't give the same experience as playing on an actual TV, so why bother?

>>496127
>>496157
I'd like some of that sauce too interested in colours.

Kinda off-topic, but what's the best Turbographix-16 emulator?

>>496169
Why do people find this so hard to enjoy the use the filters? are they that set in their ways?

>>496137
but your opinions are wrong...

>>496159
>enter thread
>see "I DON'T LIKE THIS FILTER SHIT, I ENJOY THINGS THE WAY I WANT TO, UMAD PURISTS"

>>496202
RetroArch with Mednafen core

Or just Mednafen, but RetroArch's got a buncha other stuff too

>>496007
>mfw the unfiltered one has more accurate colors

None of them replicate CRT flicker, which is the most important part of the CRT look. Without flicker you unavoidably get sample-and-hold blur.

>>496227
>mfw there isn't a monitor in the world with "accurate colours" because every cunt alive just sets it up the way they like it.

Except yours, of course, anon.

So, we get people trying to avoid how bad CRTs can look by buying professional video monitors to get the best clarity, and then we have people who try to make the crispest display available look worse(or like CRT display).

>>496227
What were the colors supposed to be

Looks pretty much the same to me

Your "unfiltered" example uses non-integer ratio nearest neighbor scaling, making it look extremely ugly and not a fair representation of "unfiltered". Please use a Pixelate style filter to give sharp pixels + correct aspect ratio without the severe distortion.

>>496221
Neato, thanks anon.

>>496251

I think you and OP are both shitheads. It's a goddamn TV. You didn't have the perfect TV when you were young and you won't now. Shut up and play.

Usually for the snes I use an HQ filter. Smoothes out the pixels and brings out the all the colors. I stay away from 2xSal, super eagle, and CRT filters bc I think they look ridiculous; I understand why people make such a big deal about them. I wish I could send a screenshot of the before and after with the HQ but unfortunately I'm not on my computer. It's not a drastic change which I like but it definitely improves the looks of most of my games on my monitor.

>>496271
I didn't use a TV, I used an Amiga monitor with custom RGB cables + sync separator I built. It looked a shitload better than both OP images.

>>496316
How old are you Mr Howser?

>>496505
>when you've lost the argument, change the subject to your opponent's age to distract from your failure

>>496007
Those filters both look fine. Move along.

>filter thread
>non-integer scaling for unfiltered

every time

>>496518
That was my first post in this thread asshat

Unfiltered makes it hard to read the signs in many games.

>>496584
The NTSC filter, on the other hand, makes the sign readable and gives an overall better image; closer to what the developers intended.

>>496584
I have vision trouble in my left eye and I can read that sign just fine with my right eye closed.

Try harder.

I don't like unfiltered, but I also can't seem to find the perfect filter. I kind of like this, but it hurts my eyes after a while.

>>496584
Stop posting the same bait.

>>496593
People who don't filter often don't correct the aspect ratio to account for non-square pixels.

>>496593
To be fair, bilinear + scanlines get pretty close too, minus the flickering and dithering of CRT.

>>496623
>>filter thread
>>posts relevant posts comparing filters
>hurr stop posting bait durr
Stay classy /vr/.

>>496643
The sign is completely legible unfiltered, which has been pointed out multiple times every time you post that image. Go back to /b/.

>>496613
aspect ratio seems off

>>496669
It's not.

>>496679
>it's not
It is. The correct aspect ration should be 4:3. Your image is 8:7. Unless you are using a monitor with native non-square pixels you need to correct for the difference in aspect ratio.

>>496660
It's legible, but that doesn't change that the filtered one is superior in my opinion.

>>496187
Pretty much everyone hates filters, what are you on?

It's not the filters that get a lot of hate, it's the fans. Most people who don't use filters start out politely saying that filters aren't the preference then someone posts a reply claiming that true gamers use filters and if you don't use a filter then you're not a real fan. After that pretty much everyone who doesn't use filters gets butthurt and stops acting polite calling filters useless, artificial, and unnecessary which then angers everyone who uses filters, causing them to back the original douchenozzle who started the whole thing by calling anyone who doesn't use filters posers and phonies.

That's how the vast majority of hate starts on 4chan. And the internet in general, for that matter.

>>496704
Standard SNES resolution was 256x224. 768x672 is just 3x that.

>>496593
The sign is the only thing that looks remotely better, now the shapes are less defined and the roofs like blue vomit.

>>496629
We already discussed this. The pixels are square, but they need to be stretched to create a 4:3 image in which some games display best. Stop being retarded.

>>496730
That is true, but the pixels displayed on a NTSC TV (with a 4:3 aspect ratio) at that resolution are non-square. Look at >>496629.

>>496741
>pixels are square
Not when displayed on a NTSC TV, as intended by the developers. You can't fit 256x224 square pixels into a 4:3 screen. This is simple math.

Bilinear 4X.

>>496007

Filter on the right of OP's pic makes the otherwise blocky and jagged pixels much easier on the eyes.

>>496748
Who cares where you display them. You can use a projector and change the ratio into 2.39:1 from the source image and It'll looked stretched to death. Doesn't change the original pixels are still square. This doesn't mean they weren't supposed to be played at 4:3. Stop being retarded.

What's the best filter setup for Kega Fusion? I'm playing Sega CD games, Time Gal, Road Avenger, etc.

>not emulating on the Wii in native 240p over Component or RGB on a PVR
get on my level

Is there any filter which will add a subtle bulge to the screen to emulate using a non flatscreen tv?

>>496801
Yes, if you want to be super pricky.

>>496793
>implying that's RGB

>>496784
Sega CD video is never going to look pretty. The flaws are glaring even on a CRT TV.

>>496780
The pixels, when displayed on the TV as intended, are not square. This is a fact. That you still don't realize it just means that you are retarded beyond help.

In SNES9x, I like using Blargg's NTSC (RGB), smooths and aligns everything like a TV would, but without the horrible heavy scanlines and artifacts.

In Final Burn Alpha or even actual MAME, MAME's rgbmicro filter using RGB effects.

>>496801
CRT-geom filters in RetroArch.
3D projection in Final Burn Alpha.

>>496793
is the wii output 15khz? how do you hook it to the pvm, i made the mistake of buying one without knowing you need an expensive transcoder, have no soldering skills or electronics knowledge

>>496814
>The pixels, when displayed on the TV as intended, are not square.

But that's what I said, you were going on about SNES itself rendering non-square pixels which is ridiculous.

>>496007
>scan lines don't line up with the lines of the picture

what the fuck, man

>>496831
It's meaningless to discuss the pixel aspect ratio outside of the context of a standard NTSC television. It's just an electrical signal otherwise.

>>496830
Not that guy, but I assume he has a RGB-to-BNC conversion cable.

>have emulated for many years without filters because fuck you, I actually like how that looks
>try out filters because /vr/ keeps bitching about it
>MY EYES
I swear to god none of the people who make these things have ever owned a CRT in their lives.

>>496843
Indeed, stop discussing it.

>>496830
Of course it outputs 15KHz. My PVM supports component, so I just used BNC to RCA adapters.

>>496780
In the graphics community, we use the term "square pixels" to mean an image N pixels wide and M pixels tall where N/M is equal to the aspect ratio of the display device.

>>496780
>Doesn't change the original pixels are still square

Pixels don't have any shape whatsoever while they're still inside ICs and memory. The display the signal gets sent to determines the shape.

>>496830

Why wouldn't it be 15KHz? It's designed using those standards.

>they're kind of necessary.
HAHAHA, no.

>>496784

You can't fix those compression artifacts with filters, bro.

>>496784
Use the CBVS render, it mimicks what the composite encoder does, minus the noise/compression artifacts.

>>496906
I think MD NTSC does the best job of covering up artifacts, but thats not saying much; It still looks like shit.

>>496917
Thats not bad either.

>>496316
So you're a hipster LOL SO RETRO poser.
K.
People playing Nintendo at home did not nigger rig high end monitors to do it

>>496048

Oh jesus that's an RF filter isn't it.

The thing about analog CRTs is that they don't display pixels at all. They display in lines and have no set number of pixels across the length of each one. You can just blend the phosphor regions right across the whole line.

>>496242
>>496239
Well, the sky looks more purple (left) to me on my CRT with default settings.

What the fuck is so hard about hooking an NES up to an old tv?
Why are you guys talking about signal separators and transponders with RGB adaptors and shit?

>>496992
Well, if you want it to look like shit, then you can do that.

>>496926
It looks like shit on a TV too. SegaCD live action footage is often a twitching glob of green pixels that sort of looks like video if you squint.

>>497003
How is that looking like shit when that's what it designed to look like. You guys are adding a level of modern nerdiness to gaming that simply didn't exist back then.

>>496992
>Why are you guys talking about signal separators and transponders with RGB adaptors and shit?

To get better fidelity without having to use a digital display that will ruin the picture and introduce input lag.

I used to be a huge anti-filter person, because I thought it was fucking stupid.

Then, I modded my wii, and downloaded some emulators. SNESxGX, for example. I noticed it had a filter setting, and almost to see how terrible it was, turned it on and played Earthbound.

It actually improved the visuals a little bit. Well, makes it look more like it was supposed to - less stretched and pixely.

Subtle ones can work wonders. Most look stupid.

>>497013

It's designed to run on analog CRTs, but it's not designed to be the blurry shit you get from an RF adapter. That's just what most of us were stuck with because the superior equipment we have access to now was too expensive or inaccessible back then.

>>497013

There are "modern nerdy" RGB pins (SVHS for filthy Americans) on the stock AV header in a SNES. Why do you suppose those are there?

>>497036
>It's designed for TVs, but not for TVs that actually existed when the game was made. Instead it's designed for hardware that nobody in that time period would have ever realistically used.
This is the most retarded thing I've read all night.

>>497058
For the off chance that Donald Trump wanted to play Donkey Kong, I guess. But what's the point of emulating if you just going to try to replicate an experience that no one ever got?
Most standard, mid-range sets didn't even have AV jacks in the 80s. So what exactly is the goal?

>>497083
In Europe RGB was pretty common.

I don't use filters. Sometimes they make stuff look better, sometime worse. I can understand why people who use them use them, but I don't understand why people like OP need to be so autistic about it.

>>497096
That's what the guy was implying.

>>497083

Except those TVs actually existed and a lot of people got to enjoy the better picture on them.

Just not the poor.

Sorry.

>>497087
>But what's the point of emulating if you just going to try to replicate an experience that no one ever got?

What the shit are you talking about? I had that experience with a SCART cable 20 years ago.

>>497107
Most American TVs only supported AV up until the end of the 5th gen.

>>497087
>>497096
>>497128
THAT'S where the confusion comes in I think.
US and Euro TV just being so different back then

>>496768
>Filter on the right of OP's pic makes the otherwise blocky and jagged pixels much easier on the eyes.
I couldn't disagree more. The left picture is blocky and jagged, yes, but it's also very clean and well defined.
The right picture looks blurry, and less distinct. It takes me an extra fraction of a second to process, and even the still frame makes my head ache a little.

This is subjective, of course. If the right image looks better for you, then it's the better option.
But for me, I find the left to be much nicer.

>>497292
I guess we might have to chalk this one up to physical differences in humans.

I mean there's also people who can't see 3D or get headaches from going to the imax. Some people, like you, are just less able bodied and we have to accept that as a fact of nature.

>>497087
>But what's the point of emulating if you just going to try to replicate an experience that no one ever got?

Your nostalgiafag is showing.

That's like that faggot who tried to make his shitty SNES list insisting to recommend people the SNES home version of SF II over the vastly superior arcade version and claiming that everybody who disagreed with him "didn't understand the point of emulation".

I like GAMES motherfucker. And I like to enjoy them in the best way possible. I like to play the best version of a game and I like to play a game with the best visuals intended and possible. I also like to play old stuff that I haven't ever played before because I missed them or they were before my time, because I like GAMES, not the nostalgic feeling you get from playing stuff from your childhood.

I like games. You are a nostalgiafaggot.

>>497409
The best way to emulate a game designed for display on a NTSC TV is by using a filter or shader. The graphics in those games were made with those displays in mind, not with modern displays with square pixels that create a pixelated mess.

>>497409
LMAO, if you like "games" there are plenty of modern games to play. The purpose of Emulation is completely different. Why don't you just go back to playing Call of Duty?

I use dot matrix sometimes.

I thought it looked fantastic with BS Zelda.

I don't know about you guys, but I had a TV that didn't make pixels look like blurry messes as a child.

>>497449
Then you didn't play videogames like you were supposed to. Go back to /v/ or /vg/, undreaged faggot.

I'll throw on some scanlines if I feel like it, but to me as long as it's close enough, it's close enough.

>>497292
Well defined yes, but not clean. The pixels have uneven sizes because of incorrect scaling. It's a very bad example.

>>496629

The second one is wrong. Notice that the moon is no longer circular so much as elliptical.

So does anyone know what filters are being used in the OP's pic? Those actually look good, SMB always struck me as having too bright colors unfiltered.

>>497446
Damn that does look good.

>>497536
That's the point of the figure, if you don't correct for the non-square pixels you don't get a round moon.

>>497435
I like good games, that's why I like old games, because they are good, not because they are old. I have never played CoD so I can't go back to playing it. I do play some new games but none of the press x to win mainstream garbage. But why don't you go fuck yourself. Before you're on your merry way though, would you mind revealing what in your mind constitutes the real "purpose of emulation"?

>>496016

Yeah you do actually since nearest neighbor doesn't handle anything but perfect integer scale with square pixels well.

At the very least, you will want to use a pixellate shader to correct for aspect ratio

>>496048
Some consoles, specially the genesis used the way Analog tv's blured pixels in order to overcome the system limitations. Extra colors and even effects like the waterfalls in Sonic 3 made use of this.

>>496316
>lehipstergamer.jph

>>497714
Those horizontal blending effects were made by the Genesis composite encoder, not the TV. They also work LCDs, but CRT had a subtle way of getting rid of composite artifacts.

>>497735
Is that so?

Why dont the emulators emulate that by default? I hate it everytime somebody rags on the genesis saying it looks like shit and they arent using a ntsc filter to blend the pixels in!

>>497725
>>496271
>striving for perfection is bad

Let me guess, you're American.

>>497765
>lecockridingyuropoorhispter.gid

>>497762
Because the NTSC filters were made for NES/SNES emulators, and they don't even replicate diagonal undithering (which NES/SNES did have) as far as I know, only artifacts and general blurriness.

Emulator's default should always be RGB, and because it's the purest output those effects don't happen. There should be an option to enable the horizontal blending in every Genesis emulator as far as I know. It's marked under CVBS in Fusion.

>>497773
Ah, bull's eye.

It never fails but what else can you expect from a country where the presidential candidates have to be alert to not appear too intellectual (in most cases there's not much danger though) in fear of losing votes.

Elitism is frowned upon and equality is enforced at the level of mediocrity... and you people wonder why everybody in world makes fun of you for being dumb.

>>497807
>that much buthurt

What's the matter yuropoor did and American steal your "girlfriend"?

>>496007
Why the fuck would you put on filters then fuck up the colors? The sky is color of the left not the right.
Also, CRT TV, not CRT. CRT monitors are sharp as fuck and require the filters. More accurately though it's an issue with the NTSC signal that does most of the artifacts and a clean RGB signal will be fairly decent with very light wiggle from interlacing and lines from pixel spacing if you're close enough. CRT TVs don't have a high resolution, but they're pretty fucking clear when they're running properly and they get a good clean signal in.

>>497852
240p games didn't have interlace, so they should be clear as fuck.

>>497858
I was more referring to any artifacts on a CRT TV at all, which of course was still really clear even with it. But there ya go, one less artifact.
Watching downscaled HD channels on an SDTV still gives a fairly good picture.

>>497852
Fucking fuck fuck? Fuck!
The right screen on OP's pic is closer to true blue. Source: my nes and crt TEEEE VEEEE

>>497903
>The right screen on OP's pic is closer to true blue. Source: my nes and crt TEEEE VEEEE
Yeah, except the sky isn't supposed to be true blue. It's supposed to be more of a sickly purple.

I prefer playing on the original hardware but I don't use filters when I emulate.

I like the look of nice, clean pixels.

>>497970
No you don't

>>498195
What?

What if back in the day when I played SMB, I thought that the picture quality with a real NES and a CRT was shit? Emulated looks better.

Harlequin's Game Boy screen shader is coming along nicely

https://github.com/HarlequinVG/shaders/tree/master/gameboy_shader

Depends on the game really. Some game look better with different filters so I just play around to see which ones look the best, or if the game even looks good with filters.

You hipster know it deep in your hearts.

>>498347
You never hold a gameboy that close to your face
Why even bother with that?

>>498390
That filter is awful

>>498390
Got some bad scaling going on there, fucking disgusting.

>>498390
I was just playing it yesterday.

>>498385

To make it look like a real Game Boy. You can play in a windowed screen if you don't want it so big.

Here's a Game Boy Pocket palette I made

>>498395
>Magical Pop'n

My brethren of African lineage.

>>498398
It doesn't look like a real gameboy
If you wanted to make it look like a real gameboy you would have a tiny 5 inch window, why would you do that to yourself when you can make it look better?

>>498390
>pink/seagreen/cyan
>multiplied
Not really no.
If you're gonna half ass it like that, I'd just prefer the scan lines. Can't quite tell but the lines kind of look off in places.

>>498412

Looks close enough to me

If you don't think it looks similar, you haven't seen a real Game Boy

>>498398
Fuck you. That's a pretty good filter for gameboy.
Could use some bilinear or bicubic though.

>>498417
I dunno his doesn't have a giant glaring sun in the middle of the screen though.

Bilinear filtering
25% scanlines
Screen bulge if the emu supports it

Everything else is retarded.

>>498424

It's hard to take a picture of a Game Boy without some glare from the flash.

>>498437
Magical Pop'n.

>>498395
>>498390

What game is that?

>>498435

>bilinear filtering

No.

There are better methods of scaling that look better

>>498438
Name one.

>>498442

Pixellate
Quilez
Lanczos
Bicubic
...etc

I prefer Blargg's NTSC with composite distortion and high color bleed with 50% scanlines because it looks like I remember it from being a kiddywink.

I think it's a bit silly to use other filters, but whatever people want is fine..

>>498453
>Blargg's NTSC
That's how God commands us to emulate games.

I use the blur one that comes with higan, and I'm a bit iffy about that one really.

>>496007
Because I like Pixelart and it's crispiness in general, I'd rather choose to go pure as I can to have clear and crisp pixels. If you ever had a 1985 spriting-editor you would appreciate the same. I had a few on booth the c64 and Amiga (vastly superior) and I had more fun with them then actually playing most games. Stuff like that is fun.

Dominant pixelart games (Flashback-tier) just look beautiful without any filters on a new Monitor. But also games like Actraiser 2 or Ranger X look extreamly good aswell. For those who can compare, play through most Treasure games on CRT and on TFT, I hope you understand why I prefere playing on TFT then.

It's a misconception to think you should only play old games on a CRT because they are made for it. Sprites are basically planned out on paper when they are made, and the spriting itself does look very similar on CRT as it does on TFT so I doubt developers had it in mind.

I can only count on a handful of older games which look better on CRT. Like Wings or the Amigaversion of Syndicate.

But its always fun to play with filters, but some don't look pretty, like 2xsai. I guess this is a mere opinion based matter though.

>>498453
Why the fuck would you WANT it to look like shit?

>>496007
>necessary
pftfpft what

>>498487
you are dumb

Why should I use NTSC filters when I grew up with PAL?

>>498498
Because no one gives a fuck about euro trash.

>>498503

Sure is jealous of our superior colors.

>>498446
Nope. Bicubic is probably the one that looks the most right out of those and it's still is too clear. Pixelate pixellates. Lanczos is way too clear and might as well just be a Nx raw with ringing.
Bilinear is the only one that blurs it appropriately. So no.

>>498498

Because most games weren't designed against PAL. Aside from the color and the resolution, signal artifacts are going to be mostly the same anyway.

>>498507
I really envy your inferior frame rate and games that don't run at the proper speed.

this is how my games look and this is how i like them

>>498487
> I'd rather choose to go pure
>do the opposite of what they looked like
Pixel art back then wasn't meant to be look like that, at all. Pixel art now is retarded because you can do high enough that pixel art is simply rasterized sprites. There's little point in bothering with using it other than to be a hipster.
>If you ever had a 1985 spriting-editor you would appreciate the same.
No.
They look objectively better with filters because they look correct. The only time raw is okay is if you're outputting it to a CRT SDTV.

>>498501
i can troll too, see?

>>497349
>I mean there's also people who can't see 3D or get headaches from going to the imax. Some people, like you, are just less able bodied and we have to accept that as a fact of nature.
I can't tell if you're trying to insult me or if I'm just reading your reply through an autism filter.

>>498515
That's hideous.

>>498525
and making it look like that isnt hideous?

>>498525

yeah, that takes me back to how ... SHITTY crt tv was.

it's like driving around in your car. unfiltered is like the clean version, filters are like looking through a fogged up windshield.

>>498515
>589x479

IS THIS A RECURRING JOKE? IT'S NOT FUNNY AND I AM NOT AMUSED.

>>498529

NES looks like that connected an LCD too.
It was composite or RF only.

>>498526
Not at all. It looks far better. It's smoothed out appropriately, the details blend properly. The mountains don't look like someone has pixel jizz on some brown turd splotches, it looks like lighting on rock, the muscle tone looks right, it looks higher bitdepth from blurring the colors, any gradients will look proper compared to just mish mashing pixels for no reason, the shading on the ground looks proper.
Plus your aspect ratio is shit as the TVs they were made for were ~4:3

>>498529
No it doesn't.
That's the NTSC signal output.
CRT TVs even from the 50s are fairly fucking sharp with the right input. The NES didn't give it that right output.

>>498538
but yours has artefacts everywhere and is blurry as shit

>>498519
Hmm, I think you don't get a thing about my post.

First off, If you ever used PD you would totally understand how the concept of coloring and painting comes in terms of conceptualisation of the pixelart. It's almost the same with animation, too.

Though I have to say, a lot of people actually tinker around with different coloursceming and very smart useage of pixels. You have to understand that many artists also concept their art in different ways so get what they want, and its not about the "I need to conceptualize it like that so it looks good on a CRT." which totally wasn't the case for 15 years of the golden age of pixelart.

Hell, even Monochrome pixelart can look like it can have many colours, while in fact only two colours have been used.

I generally play my games in 1766x768

>>498547
That's how the NES put out, the resolution wasn't perfect, though any SDTV doesn't have high resolution, but it's far cleaner with the right inputs.
http://youtu.be/BMjJpf6iGUU?t=1m35s&hd=1

>>498554
I know it's how the NES put out but that doesn't stop it looking horrible

>>498435
>Bilinear filtering

Why would you do that? That's terrible.

Furthermore, let me qoute myself here.

>>498546
>Hell, even Monochrome pixelart can look like it can have many colours, while in fact only two colours have been used.

It means that people totally had the concept of shading already in mind, from the technical standpoint, it does not look many/all artists cared about making their art look good for CRTs but they saw it differently from a technical standpoint.

If you think I'm talking shit, just play Agony and similar god-tier art and zoom in, you might get what I mean then. Or just watch some Demos or whatever. Booth modern and old Television screens and Computer Monitors display art like that in booth good or bad ways. And that depends merely on Nostalgia Googles and Hipsterness.

Other than that I don't know whats the problem. I used a classic RGB CRT screen and i'm fine with booth.

>>498390
It's like I'm playing games through a window screen again.

>>498525
Looking at that strains my eyes so hard. It feels like when I sat three inches away from the TV when I was a kid.

>>498498
They both use a ~4MHz subcarrier of which the phase/amplitude encode hue/saturation. They will generate similar artifacts (although PAL composite color will be slightly higher-resolution).

>>498510
>Bilinear
>blurs it appropriately
On a real TV you can clearly distinguish individual scanlines with no bleed from adjacent ones. Blurring vertically is missing the point.

>>498569
>it does not look many/all artists cared about making their art look good for CRTs but they saw it differently from a technical standpoint.
What WERE they making it look good for?

The problem with most "scanline" filters is that they're often times just horizontal black lines, when in reality, no TV or monitor ever had an aperture grille that looked that way.

Filters that actually emulate vertical scanlines and RGB splotches (like the microRGB preset in MAME/FBA) are far superior to the typical "scanline" filter. Pic related.

Also, fuck bilinear filtering and NTSC emulation. Fuck geometry emulation too, while we're at it.

>>499421
1. What the fuck kind of shadow mask is that supposed to me
2. You're not actually emulating any scanlines

>>499429
1. MAME rgbtiny. I believe it's trying to replicate some model of high res arcade monitor.

2. Yeah, but it still looks way better than a scanline filter, if you ask me.

>>499421
Any TV in my youth that I looked up reaaaal close at had the color things be vertical.

>>498347
That's the best fucking filter I've ever seen.

>>499462
>filename

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtlcAoCusuc

I can't even tell the difference. This is why I like filters.

>>499446
>1. MAME rgbtiny. I believe it's trying to replicate some model of high res arcade monitor.
Now that I think about it, that COULD be the lenticular lens of an RPTV like in the Sega Megalos.

These people posting with composite filters rather than RGB are making NTSC filtering look much worse than it actually is.

Pic related is rgb ntsc filtering combined with a modified crt-geom-interlaced-halation shader.

>>499498
That would look if it wasn't blurry as fuck

>>499498
What's the point of an NTSC filter if there's no NTSC encoding?

>>499498
>rgb ntsc

No option for true rgb? I mean rgb ntsc itself doesn't mean much since ntsc is yuv, as I get it. These guys think rgb means sharp visuals. Someone should tell them.

>>499516
NTSC, technically speaking, is YIQ. Not quite YUV. And never carried as "pure" I/Q, only immediately modulated with the color subcarrier and added to the luma signal.

"RGB NTSC" means nothing. Maybe 525-line 60hz, but that's sort of implied.

>>498390
>>498395

Sorry for my ignorance, but what game is that?

>>499532
Magical Pop'n.

Why doesn't anyone make PAL filters?

>>499514
I'm not sure what you mean.

>>499516
From what I understand, the intention of the filter is to replicate the color space and video encoding that you would get when running the game through component/scart to a crt.

I don't claim to really know much about the topic though.

>>499549
Because NTSC is a much more widely used standard and no one cares about yurop

>>499559
NTSC is used in 3 countries, PAL is in more than 70.

>>499549
Because even you limey fucks finally realized 60hz > all

>>499552
>I'm not sure what you mean.
When people talk about "NTSC filters", they're talking about a filter which replicates the NTSC compatible-color encoding and decoding process. This is what happens on a composite video connection (and over the air, when NTSC was still around, for that matter).

>>499552
>From what I understand, the intention of the filter is to replicate the color space and video encoding that you would get when running the game through component/scart to a crt.
It's replicating composite, not component/RGB. Replicating component/RGB would just mean adding a very slight horizontal blur (if you wanted to simulate limited bandwidth). When I say very slight, I mean on the order of 1/50th of a pixel.

Using higan here

Why my scanlines like this
Fuck

>>499567
>higan

Found your problem.

>>499549
They would be functionally the same as an NTSC filter.

1. Slightly higher horizontal color resolution
2. Half the vertical color resolution
3. No phase errors (not that anyone emulates phase errors anyway)

>>499563
Those 3 countries produce more video games than the other 70 combined.

Also, the various PAL systems almost always had RGB inputs available.

>>499473
Why does this asshole not say what filter he's using
fucking hell

>>499575
The fuck should I use then
ZSNES?

>>496768
What filter
What emulator

Minimal scanlines, TV-mode, I don't really like those smoothing things but sometimes when combined with the other two it works.

>>499565
I didn't make the filter, but I know that it's doing much more than just adding a slight horizontal blur.

Here's without the filter.

What's a good NTSC filter for higan?

I seriously don't know what /vr/ uses these days, it seems like one day everyone uses higan and the next it's RetroArch

>>499567
Your problem is that you don't have the game set to integer scale, and that's creating artifacts in the shader.

Go to Settings > Video > Center

What I do is this:
>Have Nintendo Wii
>Install Homebrew Channel
>Link it up to cheap TV I bought from Goodwill
>Use emulators on Homebrew channel to play MOTHER 3 as if it was a SNES game

>>499620
And here's with

>>499642
Is this how it's supposed to scale?

>>499648
This shit
Wii is great emulation machine
That's all it's good for

>>499667
wow, that filter looks like shit

earthbound is much better played without a filter, or on an actual old tv

>>499646
I may be picky, but didn't SNES use to encode stuff like this? I mean the Genesis did a full horizontal blend, while NES SNES made this half diagonal kind of blending, am I right? Why isn't this implemented yet?

>>499679
>That's all it's good for
But what about the Super Mario Galaxy games?

>>499637
Also heres the ones I have

I kept trying a bunch

>>499646
>>499620
It's blurring the colors more than the brightness, as an NTSC filter would. It's also adding slight dot-crawl (look at the thin blue vertical lines, and check out the stripey pattern). It looks like an NTSC filter but with increased bandwidth.

>>499567
Possibly a conflict between your desktop resolution and the resolution you have selected in the emulator settings. Check they are the same and see if it solves the problem

>>499683
Nothing in the video encoding would smear adjacent lines together, unless you were in a PAL territory.

You might be thinking of the different dot-crawl patterns generated by different video encoders. It might show up as different kinds of artifacts along high-frequency regions.

>>499694
and play fullscreen

What NTSC filters does /vr/ recommend?
That work with bsnes/higan

>>499683
Don't have a SNES, but here's actual Genesis video output. Sorry for the vertical blurring, I forgot to disable the mplayer upscaler.

>>499667
Yes, integer scaling means only scaling the video by a full integer rather than taking up the entirety of the render window. It's the difference between scaling the video 4x and scaling it 4.23017524x. Scaling the video by anything other than full integers creates scaling artifacts, which are then made worse when applying something like a scanline filter.

You need to make the render window larger if you want it to scale higher.

>>499703
Damn no answers

>>499718
Yeah I know what a Genesis does, basically pic related (pretend you're seeing composite artifacts).

It doesn't look very good on a SNES because it wasn't meant to encode like this, but like >>499683, although >>499697 says it can't happen so I'm not so sure.

>>497765

Let me guess. You're autistic.

>>499687
As far as I know it's also doing a gamma correction.

For me, the CRT shader just isn't enough. Combining it with the RGB NTSC filter produces something that's much more pleasing to me visually. I am also perfectly okay with s-video or composite ntsc filters, my point was that to someone that doesn't know anything at all about video signals, composite filters tend to make filtering look bad.

>>499498
Damn what filter is that?

No one is saying what filters they're using and here I am fiddling with a shit one trying to make it look good

without wacky pixel scaling on the left. sony rgb palette and NTSC filter (moderate settings all around) on the right.

>>499752
Whoops, forgot pic.

>>499778
But anon, I said what filters and shaders I was using right in the post...

>>499783
>scanlines don't line up with picture lines
what the fuck are you doing

>>499703
Does higan even use filters? Or do you mean shaders

A lot of the hate for filters comes from people who don't understand that the games on the native console didn't look like they know them from their emulators. The correct use of filters isn't meant to enhance the grafics, it's there to get closer to the original. Of course it's debatable if they're sucessful. I'd never play a SNES emulator without an NTSC filter.

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/kramnath/edgefoci/supplementary/multi_comparison.html

Do you even filter?

>>499808
Higan is shit when it comes to filters
use Retroarch if you care about filters

>>499836
What? higan has plenty of support

>>499838
Wow, are EPX and Ours available as a standalone program/source somewhere? HQ was before they shut it down.

Definetely the best filters I've ever seen, but I don't think they're up for character filtering.

>>499878
Forgot image.

>>499774
Compare to just CRT shader.

Also that was using a composite filter

>>499880
With NTSC RGB

>>499838
What does it look like playing an actual game with it?

>>496584
What emulator are you even using?

>>499883
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/kramnath/edgefoci/supplementary/video_ours_4x_h264.mp4

>>499838
Wow, literally everything on there aside from nearest looks like complete utter disgusting garbage! Amazing!

>>499838
>microsoft research

>>499894
They've done it
They've made Super Mario Bros into an iOS game

>>500023
Don't, use retroarch

Fuck seriously what should i use with higan?

>>499838
How can I run Vector Magic with my emulators

I really want to see how fucked up it is

>>500030
Fuck
can I move my higan saves over to it

Oh wait nevermind, byuu is autistic, so of course not

>>500051
You can just fine. RetroArch is basically just a wrapper for multiple different emulator cores, which are entire emulators compiled into a single DLL. Included in the currently available cores is the latest version of bsnes, which as you know is the main part of higan.

Compare all you want
1/5

2/5

3/5

4/5

>>496007
Tried a lot, depends on the game and system (DOS, Console).

hq4x with 25% scanlines is pretty nice but it is not enough blur to get the dithering effect. I have to use TV mode or Blargs NTSC to get the dithering effect but I don't really like them because I lose a lot of sharpness.

http://retro-sanctuary.com/comparisons%20-%20differing.html

5/5

this shit gives me fucking eye cancer when i use it for too long

I have never found a good NTSC shader that isn't a pile of fuck and I dare you to give me the source to one that is good

>>500130
what
like what is the fucking point of this
These games were made for computer displays

>>500131
THIS PIC RELATED FUCKING HORRIBLE

>>500141
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3SZkjF1RDI

>>496212
>Purists

If you were a purist you would be playing on the console with a CRT television not on an emulator with a LCD computer monitor and shitty scan line filters.

>>500084
I'd say I'd like this one the best if there was a little fuzz to take away the jaggies

>>500082
Well fuck I have no idea what to do here
I'd just end up using the same shitty shaders I'm using with higan. My issue is I don't know any good shaders that won't give me a teratoma

I'll never understand the scan line stuff. I was using a TV from the 70s and never had that once. What kind of 36th world nation did you guys grow up in? The only time I ever saw scan lines was in pictures or video of TVs.

>>500179
It's not all TV which had them.
See Trinitron.

>>500167
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/Emulation_General_Wiki
>>>/vg/32666863

>>500167
>John
>Uses 4 different torrent clients
>can't figure out Retroarch
>Uses higan
>dat taskbar layout

There are so many things I do not like about you right now.

>>500179
Your tv probably had them, more likely that you just never took the time to actually look closely and notice them.

>>500194
>>>/v/

>>500201
Trinitron ≠ Shadowmask

>>500234
I can't wait for the "/vr/ is so much better than /v/" circlejerk you're about to start

>>500194
Why use Retroarch over higan?

>>500151
except mode 13h graphics never looked like that on any CRT, and some brit with bad hair isn't going to change that

>>500275
It's less retarded.

>>500283
There's nothing wrong with Higan. RetroArch just affords much more flexibility with core and shader usage.

Just hooked up my old snes, and ps3 to an old crt tv. Loaded A Link to the Past to compare. Both of them were connected via a composite cable.

In the picture it is not as evident as if you were seeing it with your own eyes, but snes9x unfiltered (actually the options selected were shader: stock, filtering: point filtering) looks pretty close to the actual snes. The only thing is that the ps3 uses a low refresh rate (at least with my hookup) and that causes a lot of flickering. The flickering is less noticeable by selecting linear interpolation, but that blurs thing a little, but is the one I preffer because of flickering issues.

Is there a way someone could make a direct side by side comparison photo of a genuine CRT television playing a game, and an emulator using filters to as closely resemble the TV as possible? That would put an end to this stupid dispute once and for all.

>>500291
Wait, so are you saying you hooked up your PS3 to your CRT television and then ran SNES9x on it and turned on filters, and tried to compare that to having your actually SNES plugged into the same tv?

>>497128
So much fucking THIS. It's literally only Americlaps that were using the smeary, red-bleeding fucking mess that is NTSC over composite.

Europe and Japan were quite happily using a nice, crisp RGB signal back in the day. Filterfags really need to stop trying to force us to relive THEIR godawful deprived childhood.

>>500283
The UI is as shitty as some of these Dreamcast emulators out there.

>>500319


Well don't I suck dicks?

>>500315
yes, it was pretty close

>>500291
The problem is that your PS3 is outputting a 480i signal, not a 240p signal. That's why the picture appears to bob up and down about 1/2 line and starts to flicker if you paint in scanlines every other line.

>>500291
>composite
Congratulations, you're accurately representing how poor or stupid people played their vidya.

>>500356
what did you use to play snes back then?

>>500356
You mean poor or stupid Americans

>>500356
Again, almost no televisions in America had anything but composite inputs (a lot only had RF) until the late 90s. There's a reason the systems all came with RF or composite connections, not S-video or RGB (outside of France).

>>500335
I'm afraid you don't understand what filters are for. If you're already playing a game through a CRT, filtering that image is only going to make the picture worse. Filters are for allowing people that are playing games on an LCD to make the game look like it was being displayed through a CRT. Basically, your comparison doesn't really make any sense at all.

>>500183
It links to search results in a blog, oh boy

Error Code 1
Emulator so obscure and hipster that Googling it shows nothing
Great

>>500381

>>500373
take a close look at the picture and you'll find some differences

>>500365
RGB over SCART, because my parents loved me.

Inb4 HURR50Hz like region and frequency modding wasn't just a case of a trip to the shady guy at the local market.

This thread is like one huge slippery slope with a bunch of guys farting on the person beneath them.

I'm murrican, and back in my day all I ever used was RCA cables on my clunky Zenith. Can somebody tell what is better without being opinionated? What I'm trying to say is that all of this stuff looks just fine. As long as it isn't that ugly Super Eagle/2xSai stuff on an emulator, it looks just fine.

>>500396
>multiple rows of tabs
>>utorrent, deluge, qbittorrent, deluge, and tixati installed

What the fuck man

>>500408
In the 90's I was a kid and I used what came with the system. Also, NTSC is the standard in my country. Not American btw.

>>500408
Well, considering:
1. The console shipped with composite cables, even in Europe
2. There were close to 3x as many SNES consoles sold in USA as in Europe
You're in a very small minority of SNES users.

>>500396
>those tabs

Man, you're really making it difficult for me to want to continue helping you.

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/RetroArch

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4091524/filters.7z

>>500408
Oh yes I'm sure all of the nearly 10 million people in Europe who bought a SNES got it frequency modded

>>500381
>isn't computer literate
>backpedals and calls everyone "hipsters"

>2013
>filters

>>500370
Most of you grew up playing blurry shit and some people want to recreate the experience. That's fine. I understand nostalgia.

Let's all just stop pretending it's more 'authentic' to play with a gaudy NTSC CVBS filter just because you people owned shit TVs.

>>500442
The ones that had a clue certainly did. Have you any idea how simple it is to do? It was a 30 minute thing and at least as common then as getting your PS1 chipped would be in the near future.

>>500441
B-but how else am I going to see all my beautiful tabs without scrolling

>>496007

Such a biased picture. Explain to me why not having shitty horizontal flashing seizure lines all over your screen washes out the colors, as depicted on the left?
Seriously, whoever took that picture is a biased retard.

>>500454
>computer illiterate
>for not understanding what an error means in a program I haven't used before

I didn't realize Code 1 was the same in every program.

>>500504
You know I'm pretty sure the number of people here that support the use of composite filters is pretty low. The only time it's really necessary for anything is with the Genesis/Mega Drive, seen at the link here >>500115

For the most part I don't think anyone really wants to use composite filtering. What people are arguing in favor for though is CRT filtering, which is an entirely different topic altogether.

>>500525
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noverflow/

>>500279
But he is right.
He even proven his point.

If you don't like filters then why the fuck do you use anti-aliasing in fonts? Seriously, that's what I like about filters, because it hides the ugly sharpness. In NES games, art is simple enough that I don't mind. But not every game is like that.

>>500146

You mean you DON'T like horizontal black lines plastered all over your favorite games?

Clearly something must be wrong with you!

>>500594

This is why my position is that I like "filters", but I don't like random horizontal "nostalgia lines" all over my screen.

Most of us are emulating games, in the year 2013, on a flatscreen / HDTV. Wanting scanlines would be like saying "Remember when there weren't MP3s, and we had to rewind tapes manually? Man, that was so much better. I consider it 'necessary' in order for me to enjoy music. Clearly anyone who doesn't like waiting for the song to rewind is just a kid and doesn't understand."

>>500720
I've never seen these lines on an actual TV-screen, is it an NTSC-thing? I'm from euroland.

>>496962
>People playing Nintendo at home did not nigger rig high end monitors to do it
There's nothing particularly 'high end' about an RGB-capable monitor, and given how many non-Amerifats went from an Atari ST or Amiga to the 16-bit consoles it was hardly uncommon to have one sitting around. They were fucking everywhere.

>>500720
All you managed to do with this post is show how little you know about display technology and how poorly you make analogies.

>>500752
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_mask
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille

Educate yourself.

>>500781
Also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanline

>>498398
>>498417
Filter has no contrast and saturnation
GB has.

>>500815
It does have a contrast adjustment, you just have to open the files in a text editor to change it. There's a lot of different options for it actually.

The Game Boy does not have a saturation dial.

>>500838
Then why does the filter not ship default with good saturnation and contrast? You have eyes you know.

>>496007
>but if you don't have a CRT or the original system handy, they're kind of necessary
Except they're not necessary at all. Or even look good. I really can't imagine anyone except newfags who never played old games back in the day when seeing pixel art was common using them.

>>500781
I can't be bothered with those walls of text but yeah I've never seen that on an actual CRT screen, I find it curious.

>>496584
>>496593
This bullshit again... I will repeat again what I have said before: Unless you have some sort of serious vision impairment that makes you incapable of reading pixellated fonts (does such a thing even exist?), filters do NOT in any way affect the readability of either the signs or the text. All it does is smudge the entire image, effectively taking away detail (including the ability to very well see the individual pixels)

>>500862
The posts you specifically linked to are not the original shader nor the original shader settings. Those are a custom version someone was working on to replicate the Game Boy Pocket.

This is a screenshot of the current version of the original shader.

>>500949
>Dark green and green practically the same color

>>500992
Do you even know what a gameboy screen looks like with the contrast maxed out?

Go grab that gameboy you probably don't have and turn the contrast up and compare it.

>>500923
"Real" TV signals don't produce visible scan-lines on television sets, because they're properly interlaced. There's a vertical sync pulse every 262.5 (312.5 in Euroland) lines - so, every other field is traced vertically starting in the MIDDLE of a horizontal line's time. This has the effect of shifting the picture down by half a line every other field. The alternating fields "fill in the gaps" in each other, and the televisions are built so that this effect completely fills the screen without being blurry. Video games typically output a whole 263 (313 for Euro) horizontal lines every field, with vertical sync pulses exactly at the beginning of a horizontal line every time. No half-line jitter, but visible gaps are left in the screen and there is effectively half the vertical resolution in still shots.

>>500949
Does it also blur everything horribly like those old LCDs were famous for?

>>501015
YOU FUCKING BET YOUR ASS IT DOES

But you can turn it off if you don't like it.

>>501008
>Do you even know what a gameboy screen looks like with the contrast maxed out?

Black, because you can't see shit.

Gotta' put it in the middle somewhere.

>>501012
(This is the difference between "480i" and "240p", and why it's sometimes difficult to handle or replicate old console graphics.)

>>500130
VGA DOS games were always line doubled. You never had scanlines. Confirmed for never having played them on the real hardware.

>>501034
Does this work on AMD cards yet? I remember people mentioning that it still fucks up for some reason. Something to do with how they compiled it or something.

>implying old monitor weren't the best

>>501092
Yeah, the latest version in the master branch works on both cards, and supposedly with non-gameboy games too.

>>500319
It's completely impossible. Standard LCDs do not flicker like a CRT (so they have sample-and-hold blur), and have insufficient resolution to accurately simulate CRT shadow mask or aperture grille.

>>501086
With a bit of hacking, it's possible for some older VGA cards to output a 15KHz signal. You've gotta know EXACTLY how the specific CRTC works, though.

>>501110
IIRC, don't you need a custom version of Gambatte without color profiles or something? Does that screw up Gameboy Colour games?

>>501112
It's not impossible, you just need a 4k display to do it properly.

>>501104
>slot mask
>monitor

>>500319

>>501130
More specifically, you need:
1. Fast enough response time and a scanning backlight to simulate CRT raster
2. A panel that's high-contrast enough to have clean, bright scanlines with dark areas inbetween
3. High enough resolution to resolve the scan line pattern and the physical mask without causing artifacts

>>501124
It doesn't screw up anything, you need a version of the gambatte core that doesn't auto-colorize Game Boy games as if they were played on a Game Boy Color.

>>501147
Alright then. Thank you.

>>498547
They both have artifacts everywhere. The first because of non-integer ratio nearest neighbor scaling, the second because of some disgusting low-end CRT simulation filter.

>>501141
Might want to try putting the camera at a straight angle.

>>501129

>>501148
>>501151
The two in the first image are both find. The third and fourth screencaps are terrible.

>>501008
I still remember.

>>496007

The one on the right has the right colors.

>>500594
Fonts are vector art, old games are usually pixel art. I have no problem with filtering vector art.

>>501173

Why would anybody want to blur his game?

>>497965

No it's blue. Confirmed for not having SMB on NES.

Guys guys,
Don't forget, we all had different TV, with differents settings.

>>501180
It work pretty well with Earthbound.

>>501221
I don't know how anyone could really deny that visible scanlines happened on old video games.

>>501191
Man, whoever made these, fucking thank you.

Eat shit "durr why would I want black lines" fags.

>>501202
I've run it on three different TVs: a 1978 Sears 13" (rebranded Panasonic), a 1993 RCA 27", and a 1995 GE 19" and it looked different on each one

The problem with figuring out the correct NES palette is that it uses NTSC and not RGB values.

>>501143
And 4. Zero input latency

AFAIK such LCDs do not exist.

>>501226
see >>501202

Also, don't forget we aren't supposed to be that near of the tv.

>>501202
>>501243
These CRT filters are primarily aimed at replicating the output of high end CRT screens. Low end screens all have varying display problems, and replicating those many different problems would be kind of dumb.

>>501225
Some have under 4ms of latency, which is effectively unnoticeable (unless you're trying to play light-gun games). It's still not the nanoseconds of latency you'd get with a tube, but it's alright.

I'm hopeful for OLED screens. They have the potential to perfectly emulate a CRT, quickly enough that even lightguns would work.

>>501230
I just can't imagine having a TV so blurry that it just totally kills the vertical resolution to that point.

>>501285
OLEDs would burn out in a few hours if you ran them bright enough to simulate a CRT raster.

Think of not using a filter as your childhood coming into more focus.

>>501402
>Think of not using a filter as your childhood coming into more focus.

>>501402
Think of not using a filter as your adulthood going way off track and proof that you're a retard.

You guys have to remember that retro consoles were designed to be played while sitting on the couch10 feet away from the TV. You weren't actually supposed to be close enough to notice small details like scanlines (especially towards the end of the SNES's lifespan, as better CRTs began hitting the market). As a result, you can simulate what it was actually expected to look like with just a slight blur filter (bilinear will do until I find something that looks decent).

Of course, it's not perfect; I don't know about the NES, but the Genesis and SNES also used their own unique blending schemes that require another filter on most emulators.

I think that most games up until the last gen were made with the fuzzy imperfections of a CRT screen in mind. For that reason, I like to use NTSC filters if they're available. For N64 games I like retextures, and for PSX games I like the Natural Vision pixel shader, with or without anti-aliasing depending on the game. Sometimes for 2D PSX games I like 5xbr, also.

>>501641
Do you also use a filter when you watch 80s movies to simulate the realism of watching it on a VHS connected to a shitty CRT TV with composite cables?

>>501384
OLEDs are brighter than CRT monitors. They can up the brightness well enough. Also it would have to be a massively exponential MBTF to do it in a few hours when they're rated 50-80KH. If you have them on 8 hours a day that's still 17-27 years of use. Realistically it'd most likely get replaced by then, especially if it's not a 4K. Even if it cut the life in a third, you'd still get 5-9 years of constant 8 hour viewing not hours unless it caused some organic breakdown from over-driving it or something.
Problem is stats on OLED show them running between over 1000 cd/m2. Old CRT TVs tend to do about 400-450 cd/m2. Meaning even if you cut out half the image with scanlines on 1000 cd/m2 you'd still come up with 500 cd/m2 brightness and be as bright as the CRT.
LCDs can be even brighter, the problem is they have shit blacks. But you can be damn sure the OLEDs will be able to handle that brightness to be able to compete on the floor.

>>501785
OLED needs to run 240 times brighter than normal if it's lighting up one line at a time to simulate a CRT raster. You could probably get away with 10 lines at a time for only 24 times brighter, but that's still going to burn out extremely quickly.

So why does this happen?

>>501926
Why does what happen?

Also, correct your aspect ratio.

>>502002
Here's a better example, the crystal ball is supposed to be blue

>>501905
>one line at a time
LCDs and OLEDs already update their frames line by line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCHgmCxGEzY
Even if you could do a whole frame at a time it wouldn't fucking matter. No one really sees single lines updating on their CRT and the only real artifacts it creates is subtle ghost shimmering/wave effect and sync blocking on camera.
Especially for old games which pretty much locked to refresh rate.
The only reason they really don't bother with full frame updates is because it's less difficult wiring and configuring.
The reason why it doesn't flicker in exactly the same way is because it holds the state instead of fading every pixel and line the nano second it's activated like a CRT which is akin to plucking a note on a guitar whereas an LCD is more like holding a key on an keyboard with sustain.