/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4949236
It's like... an 12 hour game, I guess? It doesn't take too long to retrace steps, it's getting beat up that's time consuming. Also, I'll be first to express my large love for Digital Devil Story 1, 2, and If...

>>4949241
It's that short? In that case I have to play it again.

I get the impression the older SMT games are the better ones

>>4949243
It is for me. Probably not the best person to ask since I've played them over and over. I think the series is generally solid with mainline titles though. I enjoy the Devil Summoner games from the Saturn as much as the DS ones, for one example.

20 hours
it gets harder to find your way near the end if you don't use guides.

>>4949236
I think SMT took me about 30 hours when I played the iOS port.
>>4949243
There's not too many 'bad' Megaten games in general. Retro and not-retro are mostly a blast, it's just individual tastes that make or break individual games.

>>4949236
Isn't this just Wizardry, or Bard's Tale, with a good theme?

>>4949243
Atlus made rpgs are all solid, you can't go wrong with them.

>>4949328
They're all 1st Person Dungeon Crawlers with turn based battles, yeah. SMT is significantly improved in the 'quality of life' department over its predecessors; though its all relative of course.

is Persona 2 worth playing, also is If finaly translated?

>>4949236
SMT 1 and 2 are the only SMT games genuinely worth playing and SMT 2 is a pretty big improvement over 1. The series goes full retard after that.

>>4949589
>Atlus made rpgs are all solid
if you're a failed normalfag maybe

>>4949634
Innocent Sin is easy as sin and is pretty much "a for the story" game. Eternal Punishment is fantastic if you can deal with intensive menu combat.

>>4949656
I am a failed human bean.

Anyway, they are good anon.

>>4949236
if you play SMT, get the patch that allows you to open the map with the shoulder buttons.

>>4949675
Innocent Sin gets harder near the end.
Xilbalba is a bit of a slog unless you did all the extra content.

>>4949649
I think II kind of sucks, it's way more of a slog than I. It starts out awesome and then once you hit those fucking pillars it chokes.

>>4949705
>Anyway, they are good anon.
Come on, man. No they aren't. Atlus is bottom of dumpster-tier.

I started SMT1 on my SNES Classic and boy the Echo Building is weird.

>>4949236
The older games are a bit weird. The snes games are pretty hard to play due to insane encounter rates and combat being very basic. However games like Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers are much better and more fun to play, though those are more "down to earth" compared to the mainline games which may put some off. I have yet to try KMT but I hear the MTII half is pretty good.
>>4949894
SMTII would be nowhere near as annoying as it is without the backtracking. Really ruins what could have been an amazing game.

>>4950068
Yeah it's a shame, I fucking love Megaten but I basically hit a wall with II where it stopped being fun.

>>4949649
Absolutely delusional, 2 is easily the worst in the series unless you love games that are 1/2 fetch quests

>>4949236
>retro Megaten
They're an unplayable mess of outdated design and mind numbingly repetitive gameplay.

>>4950484
shit taste my dude

>>4949649
But the games didn't get good until Nocturne.

>>4950738
?

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>>4950738
>>4950753

he's right, you know.

>>4950738
>>4951262
only in terms of the actual battle system

fusing, conversations, the story, the graphics, the music, the setting, the idea, all of that has always been great though some of the games miss a few notes and they all have a bit too much dungeon crawling to endure, final dungeons the navigating of which is harder than the actual bosses

Has anyone played Kyūyaku Megami Tensei? It's a SNES remake of the original two NES games.

I was going to just go to Shin Megami Tensei 2 after beating 1, but I might play Kyūyaku instead just so I can say I experienced the origins of the series.

>>4951345
I played through both games in KMT. The port of MT1 is excellent and makes the game a lot more 'playable'. The port of MTII is also decent, but the sound sucks super hard compared to the Famicom release. All that said, MTII is one of the best games in the series, bar none, it's basically a proto-SMT. Definitely at least play MTII.

>>4949246
Is there an English translation of the Saturn games yet?

>>4951404
Soul Hackers has an excellent port on 3DS that's pretty much superior to the Saturn game in every way.

>>4951382
Okay, how long is it roughly?

I'm playing SMT1 and I'm fucked becuase I've ran out of meg (the thing that is used up when you have demons in your team), also status ailments are fucking me right now.

MT2 and Devil Summoner (SAT) are unironically some of the best games in the series

>>4951345
im playing through MT1 on it right now. its not bad, about as much as i expected for it so far, granted im not too far in the game yet. ill play mt2 after i complete it.

i tried getting through SMT1 but i droipped it early on because of game breaking bugs made progression impossible. for some reason during the part where the girl was getting publicly executed early on, the game script broke and it kept summoning 8 demons every turn so it made things impossible to complete at that stage so i gave up.

i beat smt2 all the way through chaos ending. its not something id replay even though i completed it like 9-10 years ago but i thought it had one of the best stories ive played from the series so far.

>>4949328
Take Wizardry 4, make the difficulty less bullshit, expand the monster aspect, set it in post-apocalyptic Japan, add the chance to kick the shit out of God. That's Shin Megami Tensei.

>>4951752
Don't summon all your demons at once, the game isn't so difficult you need a full party. Mag isn't hard to get but it is tough to manage if you don't learn how to properly tackle enemies. Remember; speaking to an enemy while its species is in your party will end the battle, so recruit the most problematic ones and bypass them.

>>4951893
I'm just about to get to the execution so hopefully the same won't happen to me.

>>4951940
Thanks that's good advice.

I wanna play SMT. Which version and translation is best?

>>4951752
MT1 is short if you use a guide, otherwise it will take you 100 hours. MTII is probably 20-30 hours? I'm going from memory of a few years ago.
>>4952053
The iOS version is unironically the best translation. Gideon's team basically made everything up and it's not even a little accurate. That said, you need an iOS device that runs iOS 10 or lower to play the iOS version, they never updated it to 64 bit. You'll probably just end up playing the SNES translation, but make damn sure you apply the patch that fixes Gideon's literally broken hack job, or you won't be able to complete the game on one of the endings.

>>4951382
rosanna is underrated

>>4951940
you don't even need them in your party afaik which is really helpful for some of the more annoying demons

>>4952107
She really is.

post your favorite demons

>>4952095
thanks, found the patch you spoke of! will give it a try

>>4951345
Some people are mixed on it. The soundtrack for the original MTII on famicom had a unique soundchip making it really special, naturally it couldn't be reproduced on KMT. For that reason alone some people swear by the famicom version but disregarding that it is a much better game.
>>4952107
>>4952114
I wish we could see both the hero and heroine of MTII in Kaneko's modern style. Though at least he redrew them for KMT, his human art for the famicom MTII is pretty bad actually.
>>4952116
There are so many classics but limiting it to retro and trying not to do the obvious picks with stuff like the Jacks, fiends, Satan, or Beelzebub I really love his work on Devil Summoner and Soul Hackers. My favorite demon in the series is Siegfried from Soul Hackers. I love the Ring Cycle saga and Kaneko gave him a lot of cool details. The norse armor, leafs on his shoulders, and the orange skin to represent him being soaked in Fafnir's blood are just so fucking cool and show he really did his research for his designs.
>>4952242
Not him but the patch really helps. In Gideon's original patch the game is so buggy that you can't even do the law route as the game crashes near the ending. Thankfully the Orden patch fixes everything thankfully.

Posting cool demon art.

Not a demon but still a great design.

>>4952250
based, thanks for the rad reply. Here's another favorite of mine.

>>4952321
No problem, I love discussing SMT as it's one of the only series that really looks into religion.

Also
>that quality
Take this. If you want higher quality scans for the demons from Devil Summoner or Soul Hackers look into this blog. the guy scanned various artbooks to get better scans of demons.

http://eirikrjs.tumblr.com/

>>4952340
Woah, thanks anon, that's awesome.

>>4952348
No problem. Also here's this link. This is where I got great scans for art from the early snes games and the later ps2 games. It's huge, over 1,300 images.

https://imgur.com/a/2zvhL

>>4951458
That does me no good

>>4952353
In that case, the answer to your question is no.

>>4951404
>>4952353
Devil Summoner has supposedly been entirely translated but no one taken up programming it. The entire script is online I believe if you were interested in reading it.

Soul Hackers will probably never be translated due to the existence of the 3ds version. At best someone may take the 3ds script and put it into the Saturn or ps1 version but there is no real reason to do so when the 3ds version has all the content of the saturn and ps1 versions and more. maybe try citra if you want to emulate the 3ds version.

>>4952357
Womp womp

All right, ending the dump here. Hope you guys enjoyed the demons.

>>4952369
I did! thanks anon.

Don't die, not yet.

>>4952369
Is this Rei?
My penis just woke up.

h-he ho?

>>4952095
>MT1 is short if you use a guide, otherwise it will take you 100 hours. MTII is probably 20-30 hours? I'm going from memory of a few years ago.
DDS2 is longer than that. And DDS1 doesn't take that long, at least in the original where the hints you get make more sense and where writing down information is expected, as opposed to the shitty remake that makes things a lot more obscure and encourages players to be lazy with the automapping system.

>>4953676
For future reference, DDS1/2 are generally used to refer to the PS2 games. Also you're full of shit if you think hand mapping every square of every floor in MT1, as the developers intended, isn't going to take you a super long time. Pic related took me like 35 minutes, and that floor doesn't even have any random battles or traps.

>>4953686
"For future reference" DDS1 is literally written in the manual and I don't care what Ameritards prefer.

Also "for future reference" you being a dumb millenial who can't draw straight lines without a ruler or write properly and traces over everything twice due to autism isn't representative of a normal player with a functioning brain.

>>4953686
>Also you're full of shit if you think hand mapping every square of every floor in MT1, as the developers intended, isn't going to take you a super long time. Pic related took me like 35 minutes, and that floor doesn't even have any random battles or traps.
lmao, use grid paper nibba, use shorthands you'll remember and not need to constantly write out
making maps of old RPGs is half the fun

>>4953696
That is grid paper, the grid just didn't scan well. I can't freehand that shit. And it is fun, that's why I gave it a shot, but it's still very time consuming.

>>4953717
alright now I just don't understand
there's absolutely no way that small a map could take that long
does MTI have an obscene encounter rate or something? never played it, but assuming it follows the encounter rate of SMT I, it shouldn't have taken more than 10-15 minutes to make that map

>>4953721
There are no encounters on this floor.
He is literally just a huge retard.

>>4953721
>>4953728
It does have an obscene encounter rate, but that's the first floor of the game, it's just shops, etc. It was the first time I've ever mapped anything, ever, give me a break; of course it took longer than it would have had I had any prior experience doing it.

>>4953738
>It was the first time I've ever mapped anything, ever, give me a break; of course it took longer than it would have had I had any prior experience doing it.
?
what exactly is there to learn anon

>>4953738
Next time don't try to brag about it or act like you know anything about the game then, dumb cunt.

>>4953739
Not much, but I have nightmarishly bad handwriting; I took my time since I wanted it to be usable and look decent. And the time includes me tracing back over the pencil with pen and a ruler, and figuring out which letters to use for the legend, etc; all things which I would do after the fact going forward, or wouldn't need to do again.

>>4953741
I didn't brag about shit you literal fucking autist, at least I knew what the games were called. I gave some insight about the length of the KMT port(s) based on my personal experience playing through them, nothing more than that.

>>4953757
Don't you think you've embarrassed yourself enough already?

>>4953741
>>4953760
I don't think anyone's embarrassed themselves more than you.

>>4953764
Wrong poster, kiddo... now please go back to /v/ and let the adults discuss.

>>4953769
>kiddo
>>>/r/megaten

>>4953686

But you don't need to map anything in MT1 in the first place. I ended the game a couple of years ago, I don't think I spent more than 50 hours, probably less.

>>4952271
>only just now realized that satan is a fish

>>4954794
seems like a mashup of a lot of crap desu
kinda fishy in some regards tho, yeah

OP here. This is my fourth day playing SMT1 and I've gotten further than I had before. I've just come back to the real world where everything is ruined and it's 30 years later.

Status elements like bind keep fucking me though. The drug stores don't seem to sell any remedies for that. I'm also playing the Japanese version so it's difficult to understand certain item names and their usages.

Overall it's a really decent game.

>>4955441
I think I might of found someone who sells them in the junk shop

How many JRPG's let you fight Hitler?

>>4951345

They're all quite flawed and require patience but all worth playing through, MT2 is the most enjoyable. Completed SMT2 a few weeks ago, really weird game.