/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4942580
>What would happen if he gets the new world record and cheating was absolutely ruled out?
Was he invalidated, or was his previous scores invalidated?

>>4942580
based billy shitting on the haters

>>4942593
Yes. Scores invalidated and he was banned from Twin Galaxy's record boards

He should shave, cut and dye his hair, create a completely new false identity under which to set the world record then reveal himself

>>4942602
lol

>>4942596
>Yes. Scores invalidated and he was banned from Twin Galaxy's record boards
If he has a legit high score, and is invalidated it would always cast that shadow on legit play. From the way this seems, he may have a recording of the game. Good on him.

BILLYS DONE IT AGAIN BABY!

>>4942580
>What would happen if he gets the new world record and cheating was absolutely ruled out?
Then he'd have the record. 1mil is very far from the record at this point, though.
>Should he get his old records back?
Of course not. They were cheated, so they're invalid.

Is Billy alt-right? I'm only giving him my support if he has loyalty to Trump.

>>4942580
Possibility #4: he faked the others because he wasn't good enough, but was able to git gud with the help of all the knowledge/strats that are now publicly available. This is the most likely scenario in my mind. Breaking 1 million isn't as big a feat as it once was, and his scores have been under dispute for long enough that he's had plenty of time to grind out attempts.

>>4942656
He loves America, so he's definitely an alt-right Nazi white supremacist

>>4942658
I agree. His claim to fame isn't a high score, it was being the FIRST to break certain records.

>>4942656
He donated $50,000 to his campaign so all signs point to yes. Fuck this guy and his fake "world records".

>>4942675
>t. nu-male beta cuckold

>>4942580
>3) He didn't know he was using MAME on his earlier scores

Based Billy did nothing wrong.

Fuck the haters.

I wish we could stop talking about this faggot, he's even worse than the e-celebs

THE ABSOLUTE MAN
BASED BILLY STILL GOT IT

>>4942602
Better yet, pic related

>>4942580
how do I donate money to him?

>>4942716
Buy his hot sauce.

>>4942693
Speaking of e-celebs, we need to bring back the containment general and delete the threads that Hmposter keeps bumping.

>>4942683
>Billy Mitchell is a smug retard who doesn't know anything about video games
>He must have known that the machine he was using loaded objects in a different order than other machines 20 years before anyone else noticed because he was a genius at arcade games

>>4942687
wtf, I knew I loved him for some reason
fuck lefties

l would encourage Billy just to leave that board behind, and only play on other Donkey Kong machines like the one at Funspot, for example.
To me, most importantly, is you travel to a sanctioned location, like Funspot.
That makes it official.

>1)
I haven't watched it yet, but that would be the dumbest thing he could do right now.

>2)
I believe this is most likely the situation. He got lazy or frustrated and cheated to save his lifeblood.

>3)
He knew. His excuses for the edits and everything else is toddler level lying and shouldn't be fooling anyone.

The redemption tour or whatever he's been doing for the past couple months should have been nothing but him playing live trying to best his mame/savescum score.

did you guys know Billy has an arcade machine business as well as hot sauce? he sells full cabs, mame machines, those x number of games in one things...

found it odd learning this like I did since I never saw him plug his business, that and there's that video where some is swapping a DK Jr board for him and he's like "I don't know anything about how to do this sort of thing"

>>4942687
Guess cheating liars support cheating liars.

>>4942778

>>4942778
It was HER turn, bros... TOTALLY NOT FAIR! SHE HAD THE POPULAR VOTE! FUCK TRUMP! FUCK BILLY! FUCK PUTIN!

bump

>>4942778
For the love of god, keep this gay shit outta here

>mod trying to hide the evidence that this is a fake news SJW smear campaign against a right-wing gaming legend
Good goy.

>mod trying to hide the evidence that this is a fake news SJW smear campaign against a right-wing gaming legend
>mod thinks 15-minute postblocks and bans work
Greatest goy.

>>4942864
political faggotry has no place on a vidya related board, eat shit and die

>>4942730
>whoops I accidentally saved and reloaded my state thousands of times to get the RNG results I wanted, then edited the evidence out of my videos, sorry I am but a simple hot sauce salesman who can't into computers, what is this "MAME" thing you keep mentioning

>>4942925
His salt of the earth "le honest business man" sthick is as bad as his hot sauce.

>>4942580
why is he this obsessed about a score from a 35 year old game?

>>4942580
I fucking told you fags this was all just a ruse and he'll come back and really get the score just to blow all you losers the fuck out. The guy is all about showmanship he doesn't care about the score what he is really after is the drama.

>>4942986
Well he's going to have to do better than this, then. He didn't get the score when it actually mattered, so unless he manages to beat the current world record (not going to happen any time soon with his current skills), he's irrelevant.

I haven't seen this yet but to answer the first question, it had to have been known MAME play, not accidental because of the point averages compared to all of the top players. It's statistically impossible. So save states were used. Maybe even Steve Sanders or someone else played it

>caring about a washed up hack who hasn't been near the record in almost a decade legit or not

>>4942750
based and redpilled

What did he mean by this?

>>4942580
Only outrage addicts care. He's more famous for cheating at something no one cares about than for being known to have done the thing.

>>4942775
That's pretty cool actually. Plenty of valid complaints about the X-in-1 cabs being crappy and whatnot, but that there would even be a business in the United States dedicated to arcade hardware is pretty cool.

it looked real to me and it was classic just leaving at exact 1 million points

It doesn't matter even if he gets 5 million legitimately. He's been banned from Twin Galaxies' and DK Forum's leaderboards.

The greatest showman in gaming. Billy always knows how to work the smarks.

>>4942580
>billypacman
When twitch usernames perfectly encapsulate the faggotry therein

>>4942580
>the cabinent says NOT MAME on it
Well, I'm convinced!

I don't even care if he did cheat, I like him as a character. If he came and did a verified record, that would just be all the better.

ALWAYS keep a bottle of Billy's hot sauce in your back pocket in case of an emergency.

>>4942580
Does anybody know what happened to Apollo Legend after he exposed this guy?

>>4944157
There's some discussions on /r/speedrun

>>4944349
>on /r/speedrun

>>4944387
What did you mean by this?

>>4944394
4channians do not like redditors

>>4944495
They need to lose the downvote. It's used like a toddler hitting other kids when he doesn't get his way.

>>4944503
I wouldn't know - I don't waste my time on heated debates where nothing practical is being said

>>4944503
But then 4chan couldn't fuck with celebrity AMAs via downvoting all the legit questions.

>>4942580
BASED
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WE. WANT. HOT SAUCE.

>>4942580
> billy breaks a record
> "hey billy, you're still banned"
> world continues laughing
> records still: DENIED
the end.

>>4942580
1. after going through it, i can't see how he cheated on a real machie in a live venue, while livestreamed. remember, fags: nobody has ever denied his ability to play the game, just his ability to submit honest scores without cheating the system.
2. he faked others to preserve his highscores, genius.
3. he knew he was using mame to cheat. if he submitted win as a mame score, nobody would have cared, but he thought he was so much smarter than everyone else he thought he could get away with it submitting the scores as if they were performed on a real machine.

>>4944774
>i can't see how he cheated
>remember, fags: nobody has ever denied his ability to play the game
>he faked others to preserve his highscores, genius
>he knew he was using mame to cheat

Smart people (like you) should take the time to write clear sentences because you sound schizophrenic. Please rend the veil of your cryptic scrawl and tell us what you meant to say.

>speed autists go on witchhunt
>Get BTFO by a guy twice their age and far from his prime

Time to apologize little boys.

>>4944932
Go to bed billy, you're a relic of an era nobody has cared about for a long time.

Even if he 'cheated', I and many others still consider him an arcade gaming legend, and there's nothing you SJW's can do to change that.

>>4944945
>nobody has cared about
That's funny considering how much press all this shit got. Not to mention the people following the tour to laugh are ultimately eating crow as we speak. Remember, billy was not the record holder, or even close yet the autism community went after him because he was popular.

>>4944984
The outrage machine will always find a way to invent outrage when it doesn't have anything real to care about.

>>4944503
the idea of an upvote and downvote system is horrible for any type of discussion, while i prefer the anonymity of imageboards i would sooner use an old forum like starmen than fucking reddit

>>4944742
>I will ignore any records not recognised by an external authority, even if I get presented with proof that they're legit

>>4945017
It's only a PB

>>4944984
Yes, people like to dogpile on the internet. Especially when it comes to weird old losers like billy and all his friends.
That doesn't mean twin galaxies, high scores, or any of those people are relevant to gaming any more. Literally nobody cares but old farts and autists. Its dead.

The absolute madman's actually done it!

>>4942980
Because many other people on the internet are also obsessed with it and are harrassing him over it.

>>4944994
>>4945030
Fair enough, it certainly isn't a life threatening or something like that. Even a tiny blip comparatively to video game news in general. All I'm really trying to say is there was a sizable movement against this guy strictly because his name was known.

>>4943604
Honestly, if he gets it legitimately and TG won't acknowledge, it'll be TG that loses credibility over a personal feud.

>>4945030
If no one cared we wouldn't even be here talking about it. Admit it, you're just butthurt because you jumped on the anti-billy bandwagon when he was caught playing on mame, and now that gets the same score legitimately you pretend like you never cared in the first place.

>>4945082
>muh hawassment
There is no harassment, anon. He's a proven liar and deserves everything he gets.

>>4945095
You lose far more credibility with known cheats on your rankings than banning them.

>>4945123
I agree, but if you don't accept a legitimate world record because of a personal feud you also lose legitimacy.

>>4945127
Which would send the message of "You are banned until you get a new record", which is effectively not a ban at all.

>>4945132
That's better than them not accepting a legitimate WR just because of who set it.

>>4945109
Never jumped on any bandwagon. The entire twin galaxies crew are sad old autists clinging to some silly shit that never mattered in the first place. I enjoy some internet drama, but it will be forgotten by tomorrow anyway.

Any apologies yet or is it all like this thread, excuses and downplaying?

>>4945247
Shut the fuck up, Cat.

>>4945224
>The entire twin galaxies crew are sad old autists clinging to some silly shit that never mattered in the first place.
I think they are just plain scam artists. Billy is (sadly) the most likable of the bunch, but they're all just weird. I think their fans are autistic, but Todd Rogers and Walter Day are cheap con men.

>>4942710
That man is very handsome

>>4945110
>It's ok that he is being harassed because I don't like him
>Also there is no harassment
Good one

>>4944918
> be you
> unable to read english
shocked. on 4chan of all places. somebody that can't read. sad to see, billy. you still mad?

>>4946538
this thread is smelling quite badly of milly bitchel shillary. it's like some really lame attempt at trolling and some failed attempt at PR control. absolutely amusing.

oh.. breaking news:
BILLY IS STILL BANNED FOR LIFE!

it's a wonderful feeling knowing that there is right in this world, and conmen such as billy and todd now have nothing. they're now just old failures that'll be remembered forever as lying conmen. the joy it gives me.. can not express in words how great this is. 2018 has been an awesome year.

>>4942580
I think he knew he was playing in mame but did not recognize or understand why it matters

>>4946602
also nothing like this coming from Todd codger's direction. I think if this is legit it is basically additional confirmation of Todd rodgers' faggery

Mister awesome is not amused

>mfw reading this thread
Trump won, Billy's better at games than you, and you're still a butthurt worthless pussy.

>>4946573
And Trump is soon going to be in prison. I can't wait. The right gets the wall.

>>4947365
Yeah but shit will be just as bad if not worse with Pence. I wish the American left would quit this Russia crap and focus on actual leftist issues like raising minimum wage, healthcare and limiting how much control wall street and corporations have over their daily lives.

>>4946573
>it's a wonderful feeling knowing that there is right in this world, and conmen such as billy and todd now have nothing. they're now just old failures that'll be remembered forever as lying conmen. the joy it gives me.. can not express in words how great this is. 2018 has been an awesome year.
Cringe

>>4947393
>believing the lies of washed up conmen
Cringe

>Cringe

>>4947428
I'm from Minnesota but I post "y'all" just because it's so funny how much it upsets y'all

>>4947379
>like raising minimum wage
Have you been living under a rock?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/worker-pay-rate-hits-highest-level-since-2008.html

>>4947428
are we at the point where certain words are classified as solely numale ones?

>>4946573
>2018 has been an awesome year.
Agreed. It's been fun watching the "blue wave", Antifa, and never-Trumpers get fucked.

>>4947458
Honestly still slightly nervous about the blue wave.

Get a job, trannyjanny.

>>4946573
>irrelevant and pathetic
>i cannot express in words how happy their pain makes me
huh, almost like this place is full of schizophrenic weirdos

>>4942580
>Hello I'm Billy Mitchell, Video Game Player of the Century.
Does this guy actually really this crap or is just part of his show?

>>4947619
*believe

Why do people even care about this guy so much? What he is doing is not even that hard. There are way way better players.

>>4947709
It's just the Internet outrage machine. I'm glad Apollo's illegal wiretapping has forced him to go dark and stop making bullshit videos. Yes, Billy did cheat, but it didn't matter because it was only his own PB and not even close to WR. You hadn't even heard of Twin Galaxies a few years ago.

>>4947716
>it was only his own PB and not even close to WR
It WAS world record at the time. It's not anymore, over a decade later. That's why people are mad.

Agreed about Apollo Legend, though. Fuck that guy.

>>4942580
Who the fuck cares holy shit

OK, he just did it again.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/292111832

This shit gets crazy around 2:18:00. I have a new respect for how hard the game is.

>>4949258
LEGEND

>>4949258
That's the same run dumbass.

>>4942580
As someone who knows more about analog video than the person who discredited him, I say this.

Video wasn't fake. All those "proofs" are nonsense. You can achieve sync- and frame-accurate recording. He didn't so the called it cheating. Just typical Twin Galaxies circlejerk.

this fuckin guy should have stuck to pacman

scoring sucks and those who defend it are aspies

>>4949354
It's far less interesting than speedruns. Scoring is really a type of casual play.

But I still practice some of the local arcade bar's games on MAME so I can continue the tradition of putting A-S-S on the scoreboard.

>>4949369
speedrunning is just a form of scoring, aspie

>>4949369
Speedrun is fucking boring mostly. Vast majority of it just consists of running straight forward and occassionally killing or jumping above an enemy.
It's babby shit compared to scoring in a shmup, which were actually designed for hardcore scoring.

>>4949379

And there he is. How does it feel to know nobody likes your dead genre?

>>4949379
Playing a game as designed is casual.

>>4949389
It's dead because an entire game of autoscrolling isn't enjoyable to most. People like to have at least some illusion of agency in their video games.

>>4949394
>Playing a game as designed is casual.
No, what is really casual is playing games which were actually designed for small children and forcing competition into them, like speedrunners do it. Shmups were actually designed for a "hardcore" audience, thus the gameplay is also way more interesting in them.

>It's dead because an entire game of autoscrolling isn't enjoyable to most
Wrong. It's dead because vast majority of people playing video games in the west are fucking degenerated manchildren. Japan actually liked these games, because they actually have an idea about video games.

>>4949414
Okay. Keep on trying to conquer that tiny molehill :-)

>>4949418
Enjoy glitching through your toddler games with no competition at all.

>>4949435
I don't even speedrun myself, but it's more interesting to watch than fly-shoot. I casual play new games :-)

>>4949436
>it's more interesting to watch
For you, because you have no fucking clue.
You probably don't even know wtf is going in shooting games, because they are far too complicated for you.

Don't give KoFag any (You)'s, if it doesn't get the attention it craves it'll fuck off back to tumblr where it gets its shitty 3-frame KoF gifs.

>>4949606
did you really need to open up pandora's box?

>>4949608
Don't worry, Retardo doesn't come here anymore unless he gets linked to a post on IRC.

>>4949335
As someone who actually read the thread about it, frame-accuracy or the lack thereof had absolutely nothing to do with the allegations.

Unstoppable

>>4951312
HE FUCKING DID IT AGAIN
HOLY SHIT
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/292421438
HATERS BLOWN THE FUCK O

rumor has it Billy is going to deliberately get the exact score for each of his old records, then beat his own personal best (or try for world record)

Let's make a deal. If he gets the new WORLD RECORD we all have to buy one of his hot sauce bottles

Does anyone even care anymore? If you're 104 years old and still making world records it's not because you're the greatest legend, it's because the younger crowd don't care. It's sad but it's the truth.

>>4951439
as far as most arcade and atari games go, yeah that's true

but DK and Pacman are popular beyond the merits of technical skill, so it makes sense that people flock to it

we need a Japanese autist to get 3 million, then we'll stop caring

>>4951427
let's make a deal; you stop shilling and fuck off.

>>4951427
I already tasted the hot sauce, it's awful, eat shit and die Bitchell

>>4951707
t. Mister awesome

None of you cared about a Donkey Kong a year ago. It's an actual boomer game with only four stages and scoring it is just tedious.

>>4951439
>i suck because i don't care
kek

>>4942580
>people somehow still believe this narcissistic hack
>people ignore the fact that he was manipulating twin galaxies behind the scenes with todd rogers (another highly infamous cheater and manipulator, also banned) at his side
>people ignore his obvious use of an emulator by watching his runs frame by frame to determine the loading sequence of a real cab and emulator, and instead they believe his denial
>people ignore that he says he "doesn't know anything about [swapping boards]" despite owning his own arcade since 2011 (and even his own arcade machine business according to >>4942775)
I won't deny the guy's a damn good Donkey Kong player, but even when everything is on the table and we have more than enough justified suspicions and plenty evidence against him and his records, people here still some way to think of him as nothing short of "based" or scream "He's back baby! BTFO!!! I told you he's the greatest! Nothing can keep based Billy down!!".
I thought I barred myself from /v/ because of all the blatant shitposting, but I can tell it's a fruitless effort at this point.

>>4952090
They're only pretending.

I know Billy cheated at Donkey Kong, but I don't care, because it's Donkey Kong.

I love him for getting Apollo Legend charged with wiretapping so he had to stop posting clickbait videos full of bullshit.

>>4952090
>werster
>admitted cheater
>holds multiple records on speedrun.com
>But it's okay because that was a long time ago

Not trying to witchunt werster either, just saying you kids are playing favorites here. You keep lumping him in with a guy who had "records" that were proven to be unattainable, compared to a guy who hasn't held a WR for a decade.

>>4952090
/vr/ is just retro themed /v/, complete with all the shitposting and racism. the sooner you make peace with it the better.

>>4952108
Werster's a cunt alongside Mitchell imo.

>>4952108
Hey, I can't stand Werster either, but it's important to note that he was a literal child when he cheated, and he admitted it and apologized. Billy was a middle-aged man and so far has done neither.

A better example would be RWhiteGoose, another admitted cheater and drama whore who was allowed back for some reason. But even he at least apologized.

>Billy Mitchell is irrelevant and Donkey Kong is boring ancient history

>I'M FUCKING OUTRAGED AT THIS PIECE OF SHIT HOW DARE HE BREATHE AND NOT DROP DEAD I CAN'T STOP SCREAMING

This thread is hilarious. I need to think about this for a while. The corollary of fame is calumny. Maybe Trump and Billy Mitchell are on the same page here. You can't be famous and successful without making a bunch of people hate your guts.

>>4951774
>scoring it is just tedious
Thisss

>>4951439
>it's because the younger crowd don't care.

They likely wouldn't have the innate skills. I've never seen a demographic filled with more uncoordinated sacks of shits than today's kids. Parents fault, though. This is the result of using the internet to babysit your kids instead of taking them outside to play sports so they could develop some semblance of hand-eye coordination beyond that of a slug. And on the videogame side of things, today's kids are raised on movie and sandbox games that require little hand-eye coordination to succeed at.

>>4952996
t. every generation ever

>>4953002

It's not a generational thing. The parents raising the kids are as addicted to the internet and social media as their kids are, and as a result, home life is completely centered on passively staring at screens. You know there's an issue when Pokemon Go was being praised as some exercise revolution because it actually got kids and their millennial parents outside for a while.

>>4942580
>tune into stream
>ears destroyed by horribly-compressed music

>>4953009
I see older people paying to have ads pushed at them for hours a day, or sitting on the porch like spent insects waiting to die. Some people remain passive shits some don't. There's nothing new under the sun.

https://www.speedrun.com/Donkey_Kong_Arcade

Different scores are possible on a kill screen? What even is a DK high score?

Billy being banned from Twin Galaxies was all part of the new owner's plans of "out with the old and in with the new." Teenage and 2x year old gamers don't care about people as old as Billy and games as old as Donkey Kong. They want Footnote, SF5, etc.

Billy will never make it back and other classic game celebrities will soon follow.

>>4953009
not all parents are incompetent retards such as those you've mentioned.
>>4955190
> still making excuses for cheats and frauds after a shitload of evidence supports tg's decisions
why i am not surprised? still mad? that's a shame.

>>4945136
No it isn't. You're advocating a slap on the wrist for cheating, which does nothing to deter cheating.

>>4955234
>not all parents are incompetent retards such as those you've mentioned.

But unfortunately most are.

>>4942775
Just because he owns the business doesn't mean he can do the technical work involved. Especially if he bought the business to put his mug all over it.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the video of him saying he doesn't know how to swap boards is from around the time King of Kong came out, and was a while before he started/bought the arcade machine business, so it's possible he just didn't know at the time.