/vr/ - Retro Games

The fuck are you talking about? This place is split 50/50 between hardware and emulation

>>4930489
Not even, most people who own original hardware also emulate sometimes.
It's the emulation-only peasants who get angry about people owning real stuff.

>>4930489
>It's shitposters who keep false-flagging because they're bored and want to put oil on the fire when people come back to the same discussion that has been had here for the millionth time
Fixed it for you.

>>4930490
Yeah, I've got an actual NES and SNES but never use them because with the NES it's always the flashing green screen unless I hit the shit out of it...and the SNES just gives me a black screen half the time and if the console gets jossled at all while playing it just crashes, so I'd rather just emulate for convenience sake...that and I only have RF for my consoles and that looks like snowy shit and I can use a PS3 controller on an emulator and don't have to hurt my thumb using only a d-pad.

>>4930501

/vr/ in a nutshell.

>>4930489
You realize that is a fucking awful ratio of people who don't want you to play 40 year old games for free right?

>>4930609
Yep....I buy my games because you gotta work for your entertainment. It builds character so its a good thing those nintendo guys are using them pirates at the rom-do-hicky website.

>>4930480
>This place is split 50/50 between hardware and emulation
and some do both like me

>>4930609
Playing on original hardware doesn't necessiraly mean playing all original games.

>>4930617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9r_nMzdTu4

>>4930626
True but the consensus on normie-net is that playing pirated game roms is stealing from the developers

>>4930490
>paying for software
>paying for outdated toys

>>4930618
I only emulate for japan only shit desu

>>4930480
> why
it doesn't. just ignore the local autists and compulsive liars.

I don't give a shit if people want to emulate software. It's not like the majority of these games are ever going to see a re-release anyway. And who wants to pay $100's of dollars for original hard to find cartridges, when you can just download them to an everdrive, or something?

Most people on this forum wouldn't be talking about retro gaming if it weren't for emulation, anyway.

>>4930502
>with the NES it's always the flashing green screen unless I hit the shit out of it

Buy one of those nintendo screwdrivers and a new read head for it for like $8 on ebay. You'll be very happy with the results. Any games that still don't want to work on the first try you can take apart and use a pencil eraser on the contacts to clean off built up corrosion. They should work first time nearly every time you try them if you have things fixed.

because emulatorfags don't actually play games
they just turn them on for 10 seconds and run to 4chan to say how terrible the game is because it "controls like shit" on your fagbox controller.

>>4930667
It's the collector shits who don't play their games.

>>4930686
no, emulator kids mostly just play the same handful of titles from their childhood. Never anything new, wander into threads to talk about how much they hate consoles. They don't know anything about the libraries they emulate, they have the most normal and boring taste possible.

>>4930690
>They don't know anything about the libraries they emulate
I can download every rom I want, it's collectors who usually limit themselves to only play the overpriced games they own hahahahaha

>>4930480
It's mostly elitism. Emulation isn't 100% accurate and input lag does, in fact, exist. But emulation is good enough in most cases.

I use real hardware when I can, and when I can't or when I don't give a shit I use my pc/psp/raspberry pi. Real hardware is cool but if you're too much of a poorfag to afford it then don't feel bad, as expensive as that stuff is nowadays (especially compared to the low, low price of absolutely free with emulation) they are luxury items that are really only necessary for moderately serious enthusiasts

>>4930480
>collector fags defending themselves as they keep their prestine games shrink wrapped an in a display case.

>>4930703
The only major exception is n64 because the emulation almost always has fucked up sounds and textures or doesn't play at 100% speed. Not to mention the controller is such a weird monstrosity that it's hard to approximate with any other controller. The emulation for it is just dogshit compared to any other /vr/ era console

Real hardware + flashcart is far and away superior to emulation in that one very specific instance. For anything else, emulation is probably good enough with a handful of small exceptions

>>4930480
because people cant stop posting about it

>>4930480
It doesn't. It just triggers the four guys who fell for the flashcart meme and because of the slow nature of this board it's very easy for them to samefag the shit out of threads while still avoiding postercount. Never trust flashcucks.

>>4930730
the fact No Mercy flickers like crazy when 2 ppl exit the ring makes N64 emulation pointless.

>>4930753
How do the other 5th gen consoles do when emulated?

>>4930756
Playstation emulators can perform fine on a pi. Saturn has always been tricky from my understanding, there are emulators but they either only play certain games or been abandoned.

>>4930636
I only get original games If I find them cheap, usually by chance. if I don't have it, I just emulate it.

It doesn't. Shitposters asking why it does, does anger posters. Just think, a nice console war thread or a stealth 6th gen thread had to die for this.

>>4930747
Dude you're an idiot. I'm a flashcart dude but I have nothing against emulation. It just depends where and how I want to play a particular game. You only have like a couple shitposters who talk shit about emulation. There are some like me who point out when some things have lag, like Umihara Kawase on a snes mini.

>>4930701
key word being "can"

>>4930798
>Dude you're an idiot
Says the guy who bought a flashcart lmao

>>4930490
>It's the emulation-only peasants who get angry about people owning real stuff.

Absolutely. I see these retards de-value real hardware all the time. Which is a deeply narcissstic trait. "if i cant have it i must ruin it for everybody else"- kind of thing.

>>4930703
Where does the input lag come from, and why would the physical hardware always be free of it?

>>4930756
Ps1 is flawless more or less. N64 sucks, and I've never gotten Saturn emulation to work.

>>4931290
Anyone more knowledgeable than me is free to chime in, but basically emulators run entirely on your pc/whatever machine you're using's cpu (and can't use your gpu) and they are jangy homemade programs so they aren't perfect. Apparently a few retroarch emulators have overcome this but I haven't updated my retroarch in a long time

>>4930632
What I mean is that there are people who were actually alive during /vr/ times, and haven't sold/lost their stuff over time. And that makes emulator-only peasants very, very angry, for some weird reason.

>>4931341
Those people are a small minority here, most hardwarefags actively buy new games and systems. And they're not hated, just mocked

>>4930480
most of the people who i've met that got butthurt about emulation were autists who convinced themselves that problems a normal person wouldn't notice (unless it was either pointed out to them or a very serious case) make a game unplayable.

>>4931346
I dunno, I see way more bitterness from emulation-only poorfag kids than from people who actualy own stuff.
And again, at the end of the day, the "hardwarefag" still has access to emulation. The emulation-only peasant only has emulation. Many also play with a keyboard or their phone's touch screen lol.

>>4931361

>Mario’s sprite flickers 5 times when hit by an enemy in the emulator when it’s supposed to be 7, total inaccurate and garbage!

>>4930480
Cuz muh sunk cost fallacy

I have real hardware and CRTs sitting in a closet somewhere. If I could run every game I want to play on my desktop PC, I would.

I don't care to throw money for the consumerist hell that is the "retro" scene. The whole reason I got into emulation was the software convenience and portability. I barely play the consoles I do own, I've been conditioned for PC gaming since I was a kid playing Wolf3D on a shitty outdated dos machine.

>>4930631
There was another boomer video but without the shitty voices.

>>4930480
input lag

>>4931386
>the "hardwarefag" still has access to emulation
yet he spends money with toys, what a dumbass!

>>4930480
real hardware gets old and breakdown
cds and cartridges start to fail
emulation is a good substitute
pros and cons to everything

>>4931290
it's not free from lag, just much less than emulators.
on emulators, the keypress has to travel through several levels of abstraction layers and drivers and shit, while on the consoles it's made to be processed as fast as possible.

somewhat related: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/261148-modern-computers-struggle-match-input-latency-apple-iie

>>4931341
I have my old systems but don't bother playing them because emulation is for the most part a superior experience.

Less clutter
Savestates
Frameskip/fast-forward
Trivial to screenshot/record
Spend time playing new games instead of scouring ebay and dealing with all that shit to try and obtain copies of games I don't own.

And the best part:
No gigantic CRTs anywhere in my house. Apologies to all the pixel artists whose art is butchered but it's just not worth it for me. I use BRZx2 filter for NES because I'm a faggot and everything else I just leave pixellated.

>>4930667
>they just turn them on for 10 seconds
>implying that's not how kids played most shit games back in the 80s and 90s as well.
My brother and I would go rent 3 games for the weekend (2 get 1 free) but only play the good one for more than a few minutes.

>>4931386
>Many also play with a keyboard
See this is exactly the problem with purist hardwarefags you dismiss anything inauthentic without thinking which shows that you have fucked priorities. Instead of exploring the games and various ways to play them and evaluating them on their own terms you autistically obsess over authenticity and nostalgia. I used to avoid keyboard prefering pad but after giving it a fair chance it's actually great for so many games that demand precise movement. That's not even getting the various other benefits like overclocking, res increase, savestates, and others that make real hardware downright painful.

>>4931361
I don't play some games on a SNES because the aspect ratio is wrong.

>>4931568
With run-ahead, emulation can often have less lag than the console.

>>4930480
They need to rationalize their purchases, lack the grit needed to set it up, or don't own a powerful PC or maybe no PC at all because they do all their computing on a phone like a curry Indian.

>>4931386
I have standard console gamepads, but for more difficult platformers (mostly PC because console ones are easy) I often prefer playing right handed with arrow keys that have metal springs and switches instead of a mushy D-pad. Left handed movement controls only became standard because of greedy arcade owners moving the stick to shorten play time per quarter.

>>4931581
How dare people been alive back in the day and have owned video games when they came out!

>>4932298
He's obviously talking about the people who STILL buy new stuff

>>4931581
But still has access to emulation regardless.
Really though, I see this "hardwarefags vs emulatorfag" war kind of one-sided. The ones that seem more obsessive with perpetuating this war are emulation-only fags.

>>4932262
>savestates
You had a good argument until this point

>>4932323
Entertainment isn't scarce anymore. Some find more enjoyment in not repeating the same segments several times.

>>4932323
Savestates are one of the greatest and most multipurpose tools though since they allow everything from skipping load times and menu browsing to go straight into the game to free experimentation/practice. For example, I have multiple savestates for different tracks in racing games so I don't have to sit through intros or load times and instead just launch a game and play immediately. It's awesome.

>>4932323
He already fucked up with res increase. Why would you want to stretch a game's original resolution?

>>4932331
>>4932332
Nice to see 2 different points of view.
On one hand you have on anon saying that save states are good because there's too much entertainment now.
On the other, the other anon says save states are good to bypass loading times (something that isn't really prevalent in old arcades and cart-based systems, but more of a 5th gen an onwards thing).
In my opinion, save states are good when you're playing on a handheld and need to stop playing, or the battery is about to run out. I emulate lots of shit on PSP and the save state feat on emus helped me when the batt was low.

>>4932340
Rewind (which works with high granularity savestates) is fun for dissecting game mechanics. Don't the official emulators have that now?

>>4932304
I still buy old consoles. I love the hardware. Running an emulator doesn't give me the same feels as pushing a power switch.

>waaaaaaaaaah but you can just use an emulator instead of buying toys

Whoever has this attitude needs to fuck off. I'm an adult. I have my own money and I can choose to spend it as I wish. There are good emulators out there, I use them quite a bit! But I still want to play on real hardware when I'm at home. I've fully embraced flash carts, pirated carts from China, console mods, all kinds of shit like that. I'm not broke so it's not a problem.

It's like being mad at some guy for buying a collection of Ferraris when he could just drive a Toyota. Except I use the Toyota too when it's more practical...

>>4932334
To see the details? It doesn't even look particularly stretchy on many emulators, only some like epsxe suffer from this problem and even then you have stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICh0L8mOeI0

Nulldc, pcsx2, dolphin, ppsspp and others make games look pretty amazing. Though desu even stretchy feels better in many instances

>>4932340
I don't even like using save states but retroarch on Vita likes to forget my save games so I have to.

>>4932356
I keep my savestates on github so I actually finish games.

>>4932352
>To see the details?
What do you mean? Most retro games at 240p will look good enough on any CRT, provided it's not a very shitty TV.
If anything, stretching might make some details to get lost in a mess of pixelation and failed dithering/color blending effects.

>>4932362
It's not stretching though, are you blind? Read the rest of the post and check the link

>>4932369
>posts a portable game that's not even retro
Good work anon, good work.

>>4930480
I only use peer approved emulators that may or may not have crypto-miners in them due to high CPU usage.
Higan, Mesen, etc

>>4932372
Check the link, peabrain

>>4932375
The pre-rednered backgrounds and textures look pixelated as shit. I prefer the original in 240p.
60fps is cool though, I guess.

>>4932374
My firewall shows zero communication attempts.

>>4932376
So you prefer the whole game to be pixelated as fuck instead of just a bunch of textures, great. Hardly anything to get smug over. Not to mention widescreen feels more natural

>>4932386
I mean, you're bragging about a 240p game getting stretched. You are getting more pixelation than I do.
>feels
Eh, video games don't feel natural period. They are a digital form of entertainment. If the game was designed with a 4:3 ratio in mind, then I don't see the issue.
You avoid playing vertical-screen games because it feels alien or something?

>>4932395
Ackshually...

Digital is an abstraction and doesn't really exist. The whole world is analog :^)

>>4932395
There is a reason widescreen is a standard these days, it mixes better with our peripheral vision which is very noticable if you ever tried playing applying a widescreen hack to a racing game. And sure the pixels are more noticable to me but that's only assuming that you're playing on a tiny crt which itself is needlessly restrictive. I'm also getting much more clarity in models and overall geometry

For me, nothing beats tossing on a few dozen games onto my Wii and playing them over component. And the only way to play many arcade titles is to emulate.

I don't hate collectors at all. But purists are faggots. See here's the thing. Emulator development must continue, and it's generally by hobbyist coders/devs that this happens, to the point where companies like Nintendo basically steal emulator tech to use in their own machines. One day, all the NES/SNES/Gen consoles will be dead. Guess what that means...

>>4932426
That day probably won't come while I'm alive. As long as I'm alive I'll do what it takes to keep my consoles alive. But I'll play emulators still too.

I've never felt any attachment to physical consoles or playing games on a TV. When I learned about emulators they seemed much more convenient so I just switched to that. I grew up with consoles but I only have nostalgia for the games as games, not as physical objects I have to utilize in a specific way.

Emulation is the main reason I am still playing today, even if sometimes a new game worthy of playing is out.
As soon as I discovered it, I never looked back.

>>4930617
>implying everyone bought their retro collection from resale faggots instead of holding on to their childhood consoles

sorry your parents never bought you anything nice, young poorfag

>>4932431
Yes, but they're already dying, bit by bit, and as they do their supply will dwindle. 20 years from now, there might be so few left that they command premiums of $1000(in today's cash, so you figure $3000 in 2038 dollars). Then the games too. You already see bullshit with NES/SNES prices. No one in his right mind actually buys SNES carts these days.

If the future is to experience these games in their proper performance, emulation MUST continue, especially for more advanced systems of the 5th+ gens. PS2s for example aren't going to be easily available in 20 years and will likely cost a small fortune. Any games that haven't bitten the dust will also cost a small fortune. Imagine $200 copies of Onimusha.

My mom broke my Genesis and I never got a new one because it has so few worthwhile exclusives. I was cleaning my room, it was sitting on the floor, and she came and through it at the floor multiple times. I hadn't even played it for several months. Still having nightmares about living with her.

>>4932452
Haven't most SNES cart prices peaked and fallen a bit? Or is pricecharting.com misrepresenting data?

>>4932454
*threw
distracted by noisy HOA landscapers outside

>>4932452
But the caps can be replaced. There are all kinds of other repairs that can be done too. These things sold millions of units. I think you're smoking crack with the PS2 prediction. You do know those can play games without using the optical drive, right? That's the most obvious point of failure on that gen of consoles and it's not even a problem.

>>4932454
I don't have my childhood Genesis anymore. No idea what happened to it. But I picked up a pre-tmss one off ebay for $50 that's even better than the Genesis 2 I grew up with.

>>4932451
Not all of us were given the option of holding onto our childhood things

I have lost my entire game collection three times in my life due to bad relationships with people

>>4932323
As much as I want to rail against savescumming, I admit I finally caved and used save states for Revenge of Shinobi. Never could have beat it otherwise.

Although usually I just use them to allow me to shut the game off and come back later if something comes up, I don't have all afternoon like I used to

>>4932462
The oscillators drift too. It has a crystal oscillator for the CPU and a ceramic for the sound chip. So far, the only affected player TASBot. I expect the supply will outlast everyone who cares about them as more than a curiosity.

>>4932468
Go back and replay it without saves.
The game takes around 40 minutes to finish if you know what are you doing.

>>4932464
The "HD Graphics" model?

>>4932471
This. Practicing with save states and then doing full runs is the best of both worlds.

>>4932460
>noisy HOA landscapers

Landscapers are the fucking worst, I spent years working late but waking up at the crack of dawn anyway because some asshole was always firing up a leaf blower somewhere. LEAVE THE FUCKING LEAVES ALONE I NEED TO SLEEP

>>4932472
Yup. I very carefully combed through hundreds of listings on eBay until I found one that fit the bill. Of course actually searching TMSS you won't find one priced that low.

I'm about to pick up a SNES mini for around $20 too. I own an original Super Famicom, not 1chip, and I'll keep that around because of the differences between them and the fact that I prefer the design of it.

>>4932462
>>4932456
It's not just caps. Resistors can go too, and the very small caps and resistors on more modern PCBs like the 5th gen and up can't be easily replaced unless you're damn near a master at soldering(most people will never be that good).
These systems weren't designed to last forever. They're cheap shit, to be honest with you. They had to be to make them affordable by people who don't have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on arcade/workstation-quality hardware.

>>4932486
Surface mount work is hard. I know I couldn't do it without fucking up a few times Can't rely on fat PS3s for PS2 games because they get YLOD eventually.

>>4930489
>>4930490
>Trolls trolling trolls.

>>4932456
>Haven't most SNES cart prices peaked and fallen a bit?
They have, but that's a mix of the generation that grew up with it getting to old and all the ports to all the systems which is a pro imo of emulation being popular it cuts the prices down on games.

>>4932456
>>4932690
It seems to correlate with Virtual Console and Mini releases, as if a significant portion of buyers just wanted to play the game.

>>4932828
VC games tend to be like 5-10 dollars a piece, the retards on eBay sell 'em for 5-6 times as much

>>4932481
Hey this is my shop I shitposted a few times on /tv/ when the movie came out.

nice :-)

>>4932204
>just much less than emulators.
This is what hardwarefags actually believe.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/better-than-reality-new-emulation-tech-lags-less-than-original-consoles/

>>4931361
The music for Genesis is always off when emulating and is why I got started on flash carts.

>>4932981
>The music for Genesis is always off when emulating
The music for """Genesis""" is off between bloody console revisions.

>>4932981
I'm guessing your Jenny isn't the first version with "HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS"?

That's what emulators default to. They have an option for selecting later versions.

>>4933010
Can't argue with that. I'm talking more about the original sound.

>>4933057
I have a Model 1 VA6. I've yet to see an emulator flawlessly reproduce the YM2612 unless emulation has made huge strides fairly recently.

I didn't even realise it did.

>>4933131
Haven't compared them side by side myself.

You've tried Genesis Plus GX?

>>4933185
That's what I was using before I picked up the Mega Everdrive. But that was a few years ago now so I don't know where the emulator is currently at. You can always compare something like Dustinodell's hardware rips to your emulated game though. His stuff is a little softer/cleaner than what my Genny does because of where he gets the signal, and his later rips are on a model 2 modded with an amp but they'll give you a good idea of what the games should sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkMXOWFgB5M

>>4933217
robot farts lol

>>4933131
>I have a Model 1 VA6. I've yet to see an emulator flawlessly reproduce the YM2612 unless emulation has made huge strides fairly recently.

Apparently there have been major strides in accurately replicating both the YM2612 and the YMF-262 (OPL3) by one guy. At least, one anon on /vr/ linked me to a thread announcing it some time ago. I don't remember which emulators implemented the new FM cores or if they're just independent open source projects. And yeah, the YM2612 supposedly has flawless support for the ladder effect/quantization bug.

>>4933256
if your farts sound anything like any of those sounds you should go to a doctor

>>4932374
Higan accurately reproduces the SNES's 3Mhz CPU, and thus needs a3GHz CPU to accurately emulate every feature instead of using speedhacks.

>>4932486
That's why I like 8-bit hardware; it's simple to fix and doesn't have all the microparts like on stuff from the 90s onward.

>>4933674

>>4933729
For comparison...

>>4931616
>cartridges start to fail
They don't have any moving parts though.

>>4931290
your PC is a general-purpose computer, and its OS and system structure (not to mention USB) introduce latency at multiple levels on the way from the button on the controller to the game being emulated.
>press button on PC gamepad
>packaged into standard USB HID packet, sent over wire
>USB driver decodes packet, OS receives keystroke
>CPU context switch so kernel can handle input event: which program has user focus?
>switch back, send keystroke to emulator
>emulator reads button from input API of choice
>depending on emulator structure, even that moment may cause an extra frame of delay before the game registers the button
every one of those steps adds latency. we'll ignore for the moment display latency (the emulator has to tell the OS/display server its new appearance, and that has to go through the display pipeline out to the monitor, which may be HDMI packets etc etc).

by contrast, on your old SNES (for example), you press a button and one of the input pins on the controller port is flipped (i forget if it's brought high or low; not really relevant). the next time the CPU reads the hardwired controller register, the pin registers and the game sees the button. the games run on the metal so there's nothing to get in the way of button -> wire -> CPU.

whether that latency difference matters is left as an exercise for the reader.

>>4933765
>every one of those steps adds latency. we'll ignore for the moment display latency (the emulator has to tell the OS/display server its new appearance, and that has to go through the display pipeline out to the monitor, which may be HDMI packets etc etc).
VGA is much better in that sense because it's a simple analog signal that doesn't require any processing/decoding like an HDMI packet.

>>4933732
>more sophisticated hardware requires more voltage passes

Woah

>>4932486
>It's not just caps. Resistors can go too, and the very small caps and resistors on more modern PCBs like the 5th gen and up can't be easily replaced unless you're damn near a master at soldering
I guess the assumption was that you'd send it back to Sony for repairs.

>>4933256
I always preferred the term thunder dragon farts.

>>4933732
It looks like all caps are ceramic in which case you have little concern about them failing like you would with electrolytics.

>>4930480
Bleem is the epitome of emulation. These fuckers were selling PS1 games on Dreamcast and won in court against Sony. They are our saviors, emulation would never have been the same had they lost.

>>4930490
Are you kidding now? People who spends thousands of dollars on real hardware and software will say anything to defend their spending and make themselves feel better. That includes shitting on the advantages of emulation.
They're the sole reason for the "the way devs intended" meme on this board. In these threads they'll take one tiny design example in one game, argue about it forever, and pretend it's a proof that applies to everything, disregarding counter arguments like >>4929249

The worst ones are the PALfags. They'd rather play slowed down 50hz version of games with squished aspect ratio than to emulate, and still argue they're playing "the way it was intended".

>>4933765
>press button on SNES
>animation begins 2-3 frames later

>press button on PC
>action displays next frame

>>4934095
>That includes shitting on the advantages of emulation

Not using emulators to turbo speed games though; that's not ok.

>>4934235
That's up to the individual game's community :-)

Even when emulation is officially allowed for a category, it's still less respected.

For example, I never use VICE without true drive emulation enabled because otherwise you don't get that authentic C64 experience of waiting 15 minutes to load a game.

>>4930490
Nah, i've actually seen the other way around even more. It's the purist peasants that gets angry to the ones that would have the same experience without paying money.

>that guy who insists on original hardware but then goes of the way to break visuals in every game

>that guy who acts like knowingly buying bootlegs is somehow more kosher than downloading roms for free

>that guy who pays for inferior emulation

>>4932438
THIS
people who get attached to material possessions have a screw loose

>>4934387
It's a common symptom of autism. I know from having it. I've outgrown it.

>>4932349
I don't buy retro stuff but how is the scene going now? Are thing getting more expensive or less? Are repros as much of a plague as some collectors make em out to be?

>>4934387
I should demolish your house with all your stuff, bed and family. Then come back and tell me that very phrase.

>>4934424
The price charts show most SNES cartridges dropping a bit since Virtual Console and Classic Mini releases.

>>4930760
>Saturn has always been tricky from my understanding, there are emulators but they either only play certain games or been abandoned.

This is outdated info by now, anon. Nowadays you can either use SSF, which has great compatibility but is a pain to use, or mednafen which is near perfect except that it requires a pretty good cpu to run at fullspeed.


The bottom line is that you can emulate pretty much any Saturn game, but don't have the bells and whistles of something like PSX emulation.

>>4934427
>Aww, shucks, that's inconvenient.

I have offsite backups of everything I value, so it wouldn't be catastrophic.

Collectors/hardware enthusiasts have no problem with emulation. John Hancock and collectors of his type, those who own the rarest of the rare, will straight up promote emulation. I've heard Hancock many times endorse it since he understands how cost prohibitive the hobby can be. The irrational side in this debate is the emulation only group who, as some have mentioned, can't comprehend the fact that collectors value more than just the 1s and 0s on the rom, whether that be the console's design, cartridge artwork, and the fun of creating the experience of how it was during the console's era.

Emulator acolytes are also under the false impression that "collector fags" lash out because they're angry the emulator player is getting an experience for free that the collector sunk thousands into. Most gamers with large collections acquired their collections when people were practically giving this shit away in the 90s/early 00s and/or still scour for deals when they can find them. Most collectors likely made money from buying and selling. The people paying ludicrous prices aren't your Pats, Hancocks, etc, they're rich millennials or younger gen Xers who don't sneeze at paying a grand for a piece of plastic, so calling them silly for buying something they could've gotten free won't phase them. I think they understand that fact.

To sum it up, no one hates emulation, they just hate the self-righteous segment of the emulation community that never shuts up about playing expensive retro games "for free."

>>4934435
There isn't much interest in Saturn emulation because it's a failed console with very few worthwhile exclusives. There's NIGHTS, Pansy Dragon, what else?

>>4934440
>I've heard Hancock many times endorse it since he understands how cost prohibitive the hobby can be
It wouldn't be if you killed off LGR and his crew of hipsters.

>>4930480
>SNES emulator
>Genesis emulator
>PS1 emulator
>PS2 emulator
>Dreamcast emulator
>Gamecube emulator
>Wii emulator
Yet I still stick to steam and play games there.

>>4934472
LGR very rarely touches consoles. He was never a nintendork.

>>4934440
>To sum it up, no one hates emulation, they just hate the self-righteous segment of the emulation community that never shuts up about playing expensive retro games "for free."
There are a handful of people that promote pirating everywhere. They show up in every single thread about GOG or Steam with predictable comments like:
>memeface.png paying for games

They're not emulation fans they're just trolls.

>>4934440
desu the whole "seething" aspect is just the usual exaggerated 4chan bantz. A more legitimate reason for the mockery of collectors is the result of it being its own hobby that's surprisingly detached from actually playing the games. These people spend money and a lot of effort to track down and buy games that they end up playing for 30 minutes, never getting good at anything or getting anything but a surface level impression of what they play. It lends itself very well to mockery.

>>4932967
that's a rather brute-force-workaround, innit?

>>4934497
Every kind of activity has wankers who turn the means into an end itself. I dated one and it was shit.

>>4934441
policenauts, snatcher

>>4934513
Yeah, I think many people get that kind of compulsion at one point or another in their lives so it's not like nobody gets it

>>4934438
So you have offsite backups of your own room and family? Neat.

>>4934518
>muh definitive releases

The Sega CD version of Snatcher and the PS1 version of Policenauts are good enough ya fag. Next you're going to tell me SoTN is also a must play on Saturn.

>>4934524
I have places I could stay. People aren't possessions.

>>4934528
Doesn't Sympathy for a Knight on Saturn have fucky graphics?

>>4934535
It has way less transparency effects and stretched non-integer assets, yes. Having a worse framerate isn't doing it any favors either. The only objective improvement is the Red Book audio, too bad it loops like ass. Also the extra character and locations even though the director hates them.

>mfw the game collection seen on my retro youtube channel is added in post

>>4932467
Damn, anon, I'm sorry.

>>4934394
Honestly, you still sound pretty autistic.

>>4934440
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgKWV8C3e7M

For example, emulation can't quite capture the feel of a real 1979 home computer.

>>4934424
Good JP-only games are insane, especially rarer ones. Many prices on normal games aren't as bad. Usually depends on how recently a hidden gems video was made.

this thread in a nutshell

>>4935372
>QUACK INTENSIFIES

>>4935372
I wish I hadn't sold my Carl Barks comics to buy a GBC 20 years ago

>>4935382

>>4934531
>I have offsite backups of everything i value
Don't rephrase what you said, cunt.

>>4935697
Someone said "material possessions" and you implied murder is loss of material possessions?

>>4935712
What

>>4930489
This.

>>4930480
No idea, I don't care.
I wonder if I make people mad for not giving a fuck...

>>4933674
>>4933729
>>4933732
Both of those are simple. Surface mount is slightly harder to deal with for newbies though.

theres sum queefers up in this bitch

>>4931290
>>4931319
Both consoles and PC have been about the same in regards to input lag for about a decade now. Sure that was a problem in the mid-2000 (if you didnt want to sacrifice accuracy), but on modern rigs that are times more powerful than the emulated console, and properly set up emulators that is not a problem anymore.

Most myths about "le horrible input lag" stem from an often posted here "research" of some faggot that measured input latency on a crappy setup (Win 10 craptop, shitty LCD, etc.), without taking the same measurements on an actual hardware sample, and just assumed that original hardware had 0 frame of latency.
He got called out on it, and a year later did a re-try that showed that emulators and original consoles either have no difference at all, or ~1 frame of additional lag. For some reason nobody quotes that one here.

>>4937559
looks familiar
sauce?

speaking of emulators, which do you guys recommend for the following consoles?
Nes
Snes
Genesis
GB/GBC/GBA
nds

>>4941367
Check the wiki and /vg/

>>4941371
thanks dude, will do

>>4941367
fo the nes, you should use an actual nes. Sorry but this is one of those systems that really doesn't emulate well.

for the snes, you can try using zsnes, but don't expect miracles.

for the genesis, just forget about it. it's too complicated and there's only a few sonic games that work, and not really all that well.

for the gameboys, you'll have to use an android operating system. there's a few on the appstore you can buy.

nds, only works on iphone4 and the only known working emulator was hijacked with viruses.

good luck pal.

>>4941812
Fuck off faggot

good emus make my dick hard

>>4941367
NES = Mesen
SNES = Higan or Higan core in Retroarch
Genesis = GenesisplusGX core in Retroarch
GB/GBC = BGB
GBA = mGBA
NDS = MelonDS