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This is the single shittiest fucking argument I have ever heard for any retro game ever. I see idiots who've never picked up a decent game in their live use this line to try and invalidate just about every good retro game, from Mega Man 2, to Super Mario RPG, to Ocarina of Time.

If you use this argument, I automatically assume that you only care about graphics and should be banned from /vr/ since it's obvious that you've never played a retro game all the way through.

>> No.4919413 [DELETED] 

>>4919410
I don't see you making an argument against yourself. You're just name calling.

>> No.4919414

>>4919410
I see it most on this board.. and sadly, this board is infested with compulsive liars and retards that just make shit up as they go. so, of course they haven't played them. half the fuckers here get their knowledge by watching youtubers and streamers. their dire lack of technical knowledge would fill every ocean, river and lake on earth.. and not just earth, but every other earth-like planet scattered throughout the universe.

>> No.4919415

>>4919410
I don't see you making an actual argument against it. You're just name calling.

>> No.4919416

>>4919410

I hate the zoomer/millennial/generation meme, but if there's one surefire way to spot a millennial, is the "aged poorly" meme.

>> No.4919421

>>4919415
'aged poorly' is a buzzword (buzz-phrase?) used exclusively by contrarians who can't actually find flaws with the game and instead do their best to try and compare it to the newest titles on the market graphically.
Never do these children come up with any ACTUAL issues with these games outside of 'too difficult' and 'aged poorly'.
'too difficult' just gets them ridicule so they resort to insulting the graphics because otherwise they have no argument whatsoever. It's the ultimate middle finger to a constructive argument and brings all discussion to a dead stop, and these children know it; they will resort to it when all else fails because they know it can't be argued against since it's not ACTUALLY an argument.

>> No.4919423

>>4919416
It's not a meme. It's a phrase which has existed in the common vernacular for centuries.

>> No.4919424

>>4919415
> name calling
> op calls people idiots
op is right. these people are idiots.

>>4919423
you need to go back to lereddit and fucking stay there.

>> No.4919425

Games that "aged poorly" are almost always referenced by zoomers that played said game for the first time. You can have nostalgia and have nostalgia that doesn't hold up, but actually holding that against the game is a level of stupidity only the Youtube e-celeb generation could muster up.

>> No.4919427

>>4919425
welcome to /vr/, where threads are sometimes started based solely on topics mentioned by e-begging attention whoring youtubers. but it's ok, it gives us all a big laugh watching people acting like sheep.

>> No.4919428

It's the same for people who use "Overrated" as an argument, dumb fucking buzzwords that do little to articulate what they're saying

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Oh no, i need to put some effort in order to adjust myself to some older control scheme that isn't 7th gen standardized babby crap!!! GAME HAS AGED POORLY, IT'S SHIT I TELL YA HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>> No.4919430

>ITT: Summerfags trying to blend in by feigning rage over two little words.

>> No.4919431

>>4919430
More like
>ITT: boomers try to defend shitty graphics and terrible controls because they know nothing will save their aging thread
Face it, /vr/, you're worse than a containment board, you're an old folks' home.

>> No.4919432

Saying an entire game aged poorly - retarded

Saying certain aspects of a game aged poorly - completely legitimate

arguing about semantics and getting assblasted because other people don't share your opinions - /vr/

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>>4919431

>got 'em

>> No.4919435

>>4919431
>boomer
christ can you crossboarding faggots be any more obvious? go ahead and post the dumbass wojak variant, I know you want to

>> No.4919436

>>4919432
You. I like you.

>> No.4919437

>>4919435
>Here we see the 80-year old, virgin video game player in his natural habitat-his days consist of yelling at the Nintendo Switch and PS4 displays at his local game store, and telling anyone who will listen about how great Duck Tales was for the NES.
Face it, old man, you're entire hobby is going to be dust soon.

>> No.4919440

>>4919437

>you're

Underage nigger.

>> No.4919442

>>4919437
Why are you even posting here?
>>>/v/

>> No.4919445

>>4919440
>I'll insult his grammar! Now I'm right! Now everyone will know that I successfully proved him wrong and my shitty hobby is legit!

>> No.4919446

>>4919437
what are you even doing here you social media addicted monkey, screeching about boomers and people older than you talking about the games of their youth?

>> No.4919449

>>4919437
I know in all likelihood you're probably 32 years old yourself, so I applaud this quality shitposting effort.

>> No.4919526

Well this thread exploded and then fell to earth like a bottle rocket.

>> No.4919528

>>4919442

Guy's obviously trolling but I love this implication that /vr/ is better than /v/ in any way, this board is a total dive with like 10 people total posting literally the same shit on the daily. You could find a good thread about a retro game on /v/ within minutes on any given day.

>> No.4919537

>>4919528
/v/ is weird in that there are quality threads of anons debating and discussing games, and then there's the garbage meme threads and reaction threads and bait threads ect, you just gotta find the good ones, imo the classic game threads are the most civilized, games ranging from '95 to about 2007 or so, older crowd maybe I'm not sure why they are less shitty

>> No.4919541

>>4919528
>Implying that having more people on a board is a good thing in any way
>Implying that having to shove your hands in tons of literal shit to only find some extremely rare non-garbage/underaged/meme/bait thread is good

>> No.4919545

>>4919541

/vr/ is exactly the same bro. Using either board involves feeling your way through 90% of pure shit, it's just a different kind of shit.

>> No.4919554

>>4919416
Once had a friend tell me that all 16 bit games "aged like milk". The sad thing is that he's 32 like me, and I know for a fact that he was a very Hardcore gamer back in the retro glory days because I went to school with him. He's sadly just drinking Nintendo's Kool aid so hard that he believes Reggie when he says Nintendo is making the best games ever right now, so he shits on the past to help praise the present. It's embarrassing.

>> No.4919565 [DELETED] 

>>4919554
I mean I like my Switch too, and I'll even go so far to say that Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild are the best games of their franchises in the past 20 years. But yeah I won't spread that blanket so far to say everything old is crap... though a lot of it is, but that's ultimately just Sturgeon's Law at work.

>> No.4919569

>>4919421
>can't actually find flaws with the game and instead do their best to try and compare it to the newest titles on the market graphically
>graphically
While some people can mean "durr this game from the 90s looks worse than game from 2018", it's not always the case. When people say that a game aged poorly, they often shitty mechanics and parts of gameplay. Those shitty elements were later improved by other, newer games in a certain genre, so when someone who's used to playing those newer games picks up and old one, they are faced with those shitty, old mechanics and that's what they mean when they say "the game aged poorly". Also, there aren't many people on 4chan, and surely not on /vr/ who would complain about dated graphics in a game. Anons who accuse others of being graphics whores often seem to be elitists who think they're smarter and have better taste because they play old jRPGs or something

>> No.4919597

>>4919569
This. Two games I often cite as having aged poorly are Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest 1. The former for that battle mechanic where if an assigned enemy is defeated before a character's turn, then he'll just whiff at the air the enemy had just occupied (in before that one anon who always chimes in saying that makes battles more strategic. Yes, yes, I get it. No need to tell me that for the 17th time). The fact that they removed that from future games is proof enough it's an annoying oversight that only a few special few tolerate.
And I say Dragon Quest because...well fuck man it's just an unapologetic grindfest. The devs could easily had either upped Gold/EXP gain rates, or just cut the amount required, but they didn't, for no other reason than to pad the game. Grinding just to fluff game length is indefensible today, and a quintessential example of a badly aged game aspect.

>> No.4919601 [DELETED] 

>>4919565
BotW is soulless garbage compared to OoT and MM

>> No.4919604 [DELETED] 

>>4919565
Go back to NintendoGaf you brainless faggot.

>> No.4919609 [DELETED] 

>>4919601
"soulless" is just a buzzword that means "modern so I don't like it."

>> No.4919610

>>4919609
it lacks the soul and the magic of the earlier Zelda games and feels like a shitty elder scrolls clone

>> No.4919614

>>4919610
Still the best Zelda game since Majora's Mask.

>> No.4919615

>>4919410
Some games simply become outclassed by their successors or some quality of life upgrade becomes standard that didn't exist when the game came out.

Goldeneye is a very good example of a game that aged poorly. The framerate, which no one gave a shit about in 1997, is unbearable by today's standards since a stable 30fps is considered the absolute bare minimum. The controls feel odd nowadays too but that's not a huge deal.

I still think the open, realistic level design with the dynamic objectives based on the difficulty are cool as fuck and it's a shame that perfect dark and the thief games are the only games to use this feature. Even though I appreciate what the game did though, I really don't enjoy playing it anymore

>> No.4919616

>>4919614
No, it's barely a Zelda game.

>> No.4919621

>>4919615
>muh framerate is what matters the most even though I admit the game design is fine
God mustards are an absolute cancer on gaming

>> No.4919625

>>4919528
Oh please, /v/ is fucking garbage like any fast board. Slower boards are by default superior places for discussion, this goes for imageboards in general.

The only way to get your thread noticed on /v/ is by posting bait or ecchi, otherwise it gets bumped off in literally 10 minutes. Then there's the constant /pol/ invasion and whining about "muh SJW", women and communists ruining gaming. They've been spouting the same utterly embarassing adolescent politics for YEARS, and it infects every single thread on the board.

It's legitimately one of the worst places to talk about videogames, and I'm truly glad we have this place to get away from it. I've had discussions about games with /vr/os lasting 2-3 days, because you can actually have a thread stick around which isn't clickbait /pol/ nonsense or anime girls.

>> No.4919626

>>4919410
>hurr nothing ages

You're an idiot. What was good then can be bad now. Are you gonna play games today with an atari controller? It was the best controller around back then, so surely its still the best now. Fucking moron.

>> No.4919628

>>4919610
Anon, I have news for you. That "magic" is the simple child wonderment you felt because you first played the game when you were 7 (In before you lie and say you first played it just five years ago). You're grown now and incapable of feeling that child-like wonder again. It's impossible for you to experience "magic" from a game ever again.

>> No.4919631

>it's another absolute garbage even from the very first post thread gets flooded with replies while actually interesting threads get flushed episode

>> No.4919636

>>4919626

I'm having a hard time getting how someone can be this retarded.

>> No.4919639

>>4919628
This quite frankly. It's the whole reason we are here. The whole reason we play retro games, to try to experience a small fraction of whatever, if anything, remains of that childhood wonderment.

>> No.4919641

>>4919625

>t. a sjw communist woman

>> No.4919650

>>4919639
This is definitely a part of it, but i have discovered plenty of retro games within the last 5 years that I absolutely love and I'm in my 30s. I have no nostalgia for shmups for example, because the only one I ever really played as a kid was gradius 3 on snes, but now it's one of my favorite genres and it's been awesome discovering 30 years worth of those games that I missed out on

>> No.4919656

>>4919650
But would you have ever found those games if you didn't first come searching for that sweet sweet nostalgia?

>> No.4919664

>>4919410
>If you use this argument, I automatically assume that you only care about graphics
I'd say it's the other way round. There's some /vr/ games for which the the main selling point at the time was the graphics. If you take that aspect away from them, there's nothing much distinguishing.
That's what I would call aging poorly.

>> No.4919667

>>4919664
Case in point: Just about the entire Sega CD library.

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>>4919410
Something aging badly almost never has to do with graphics. Except in cases like Mortal Kombat 1 where graphics are one of the main reasons the game gained the attention it did initally.

I don't think these threads will ever stop being comedy gold for me. I'm gonna go make some popcorn, and you continue bitching about how you're incapable of understanding English phrasing. I fell this is going to be a good one!

>> No.4919702

>>4919656
I have no nostalgia for any console personally, I owned some as a kid but never cared about them. I was a PC elitist even before I knew that it was a thing online, I just thought the games were all shit and played FPS and RPG on my computer. My parents bought a Mega Drive once, I literally stopped caring about it after like a month.

Cue like a decade later and I realised that there are shitloads of great games on NES and onwards, I just need to approach them differently and adjust my brain a bit. Been heavy into classic platformers, arcade racing and early jRPGs in the last few years.

If I want actual nostalgia I play late 90s PC vidya, most of /vr/ is totally unknown to me

>> No.4919708

>>4919625
may I introduce you to www.reddit.com where every thread is democratically elected so you will never see inflammatory shit that will hurt your feelings

>> No.4919715

>>4919667
Also a significant portion of most console's libraries.

>> No.4919718

>>4919667
>the Sega CD library was entirely FMV games meme
Kill yourself

>> No.4919719

>>4919410
>"___ aged poorly!" is the single shittiest fucking argument

are you saying the phrase has... aged poorly?

>> No.4919724

>>4919410
Ocarina of Time was never good compared to what I had on PC and PlayStation at the time.

>> No.4919809

>>4919718
Now did I say that? Point out in my post where I said that.

>> No.4919827

>>4919708
Kill yourself

>> No.4919835

>>4919827
Go back to school. You've had enough summer vacation.

>> No.4919846 [DELETED] 

>>4919724
Really? I prefer PC and abandoned consoles by the time ps3 came out but still love ps1 and ps3 era consoles and IMO Ocarina of Time is one of the best games ever made and it 100% competes with PC and ps1 games from that era.

>> No.4919852

>>4919809
You implied the only thing Sega CD games had going for them at the time was graphics, which really means FMV in context.

>> No.4920056

>>4919410
So Adventure for the Atari 2600 is still a great game? No. Because it fucking age poorly.

>> No.4920090

>>4920056
Nigga please. I played that recently. It's a fun time waster. I imagine I got just as much enjoyment out of it having never played the console as a kid as those who did.

>> No.4920103

>>4920090
>timewaster

B-but its still a good game!!

it's called nostalgia homeboy.

>> No.4920109

>>4920103
I already posted I didn't play the damn thing till recently. Sure got a shit ton of nostalgia for a game that came out before I was born and played in my adulthood.

It's okay you personally do not like them. But blanket terms for why like "they aged terribly" is trying to apply objectivity to that.

>> No.4920118

The only games that have aged poorly are early 3D games. Everything else is perfectly fine.

>> No.4920135

>>4919626
Quality doesn't age. Claiming that a game "aged poorly" is a retarded argument because if the game is bad now it was bad back then, regardless of how your subjective perception is affected by current games. "Aged poorly" isn't a claim about the game itself, is a claim about the feelings of the person making such statement, that's why it adds almost nothing to the discussion.

>> No.4920142

>>4919719
It always was shit nonsense

>> No.4920403

>>4920135
We're not Vulcans, anon. Our feelings about games are at the core of why we're even here discussing them.

>> No.4920676

>>4920056
was it ever a good game

>> No.4920738

>>4920676
It was the Legend of Zelda of its time, and it definitely marked out a niche in pop culture. There was an episode of Clarence about it just a couple years ago.

>> No.4920760

>>4919410
Games aren't just graphics dickhead. They do age - certain mechanics, tropes and design fundamentals become outdated and unacceptable as they are improved and evolve over time.
Otherwise we'd all still be playing single screen atari games and be satisfied.

>> No.4920998

I think games aging is a subjective term, one person that hasn't played a game in years might not find it fun anymore, while someone who play it's for the first time today might find it fun.

I found Atari 2600 games to be quite fun even though I wasn't born when there where first released, while most people despise them for being too simplistic in every way, but that's why I like them.

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OoT, while clunkier in controls and not as visually interesting as the later Zeldas is still a good game, regardless of it "aging". I would say that Miyamoto, Aonuma, and Koizumi did their best given the hardware limitations.

>> No.4921504

The bad thing about the "it hasn't aged well" is that is often implying something is "unplayable" because another thing later did... jumping better?

That tells you literally nothing about how well implemented the jumping was in the level layout, how the enemies are located to encourage the player to get good etc.

They call simple and no-nonsense games "dated" despite living in times where smartphone developers make hundreds of dollars with simple as fuck games, and then, when the whole "game is simple so is bad" argument falls apart, then here comes the "it's cryptic" one, because actually taking note of things is lame, as if the games that take this too far weren't called out on this even when they were released.

>>4921010
People who think Ocarina suddenly sucks because OTHER GAME exists never played a 3D game released before it.

>> No.4921540

>>4919432
Games can't age, though. That would imply they change over time. "Aged" is just a buzzword for people who can't express themselves and/or are too ashamed to admit they are too stupid or impatient to play something that was designed for someone more intelligent than they are. They could say "X mechanic is too much work," but they won't because they can't be honest on an anonymous vietnamese basket weaving forum. If this were not the case they could simply point to a game that improved on X mechanic, but for some reason I never see that happen.

Also, every game OP has listed is casual shit. He should have waited for someone with good taste to bring up this topic.

>> No.4921609

>>4919410
It's exactly the other way around. Just when the game gets released, some of its explicit superficial aspects, due to their novelty (technical or otherwise) can overshadow their fundamental implicit problems. As the time goes by, they tend to lose their novelty due to others catching up. Having lost their luster, they lose the very red herrings, that kept everyone's attention away from their actual fundamental problems.

You know, strangely enough, Doom didn't age all that much, Quake 1 didn't age all that much, even Pathways into Darkness didn't age all that much. They are all fundamentally good games. There is no ugly underside you were coerced not to notice due to MUH REALIZTIK GRAFX or MUH REVOLUTIONARY CINEMATIK APROACH or generall LOOK A SHINY. They do each have their problems, but, by and large, they are really worth persevering through those problems.

For some games, however, such an ugly underside is VERY much present, and it becomes all the more apparent, the more the time elapses, and the more the luster of its initial "Wow!" factors gets tarnished.

These are generally the games that are said to age poorly. It's not that they really aged. It's just that their youth was an illusion all along to begin with.

>> No.4921634

>>4919639
Nah nigga I'm in my early twenties. I didn't grow up with any of the games you can talk about on this board.

>> No.4921661

There are a few instances in which a game comes out, it's praised at the time for having a certain feature, said feature evolves throughout the series (or other newer games do it better) and at that point the original entry is just "good", but nothing special. "Aged poorly" is used with games like those. I understand the term isn't good but whenever someone says that I can probably understand what they mean. And this is not to be mistaken with the simplicity of older titles, as sometimes that is good.

OoT or Megaman (1) didn't "age poorly". The former has a different environment, pacing and mechanics than other titles. The latter offers challenges that aren't seen in other entries. Those are not good examples.

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>>4919410
People who say that, really dont play "videogames" only play "new" and "nostalgia" videogames.

I play games of all times, and after 10 minutes in, I 100% enjoy what every game can give me.

>> No.4921725

Honestly this distiction between retro and new is going to be just a context thing in the future, a lot of games these days looks worse than stuff from 1995 and gameplay keeps getting more simple, dev teams expect people to play with just the face buttons of their 360 controller instead of an entire keyboard, games in the future will be intentionally complex (VR is already pulling that off) and everything will balance out.

>> No.4923937

>>4919569
Most of the time if I say it it's about PS1/N64/early dreamcast era platformers which were full of glitches, clipping issues, framerate issues, etc. Most games of the era had these problems, but it still makes it harder to replay them after coming off newer games.

>> No.4923953

>>4919639
>>4919656
What a bunch of bullshit. I hate this idea that people are allowed to legitimately enjoy movies that came out 50 years ago, but you can only enjoy a video game that came out 25 years ago if you're some navelgazing idiot with a peter pan complex.

>> No.4924058

>>4921690
Playing Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei I can tell you one thing later games got rid of that I'm glad about:
The games usually warn you that something dangerous is ahead.
I remember I accidentally walked into Loki whilst exploring and got wiped out hard and would have had to grind for at least an hour to get back to where I was at.
Megami Tensei 1 and 2 are pretty brutal.

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>>4919545
>/vr/ is exactly the same bro.

>> No.4924105

I play a lot of roleplaying games, and there have been a lot of improvements to interface and quality of life over the years that really do make going back to older games difficult.

>> No.4924115 [DELETED] 

>>4919609
It means there is no charm anymore. Its overused bullshit weve been fed since oot packaged as skyrim lite for nintenfaggots to drool on until jewtendo tells them what to but next. It lacks the charm of older zelda titles, because its too big. It spreads itself thin and gets boring pretty fast.

>> No.4924119 [DELETED] 

>>4924115
I'm with you there. Sure, it's a big world, but it's so goddamn shallow with overall content that it's pretty embarrassing.
Still, at least it's not Skyward Sword, nothing will ever top that garbage heap.

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>>4920403
>not vulcans

you die now ROMULAN SCUM!

>> No.4924132

>>4924121
>A Trekkie outs himself
Time for the rope my friend

>> No.4924160

"aged poorly" is a perfectly fine criticism of a game, the fuck are you dopes talking about?

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>>4924132

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>>4921725
>dev teams expect people to play with just the face buttons of their 360 controller instead of an entire keyboard
Implying this is bad? If you can't contain the amount of buttons needed to play to just a few you are a poor game designer.

>>4920135
> if the game is bad now it was bad back then
A game can be considered good in it's own time because it was the only option. If there's no competition the least horrible thing is considered the best.

3D graphics has only gotten acceptable within the last few years.

Pokemon R/B/G and Warcraft 1 has aged poorly.

>> No.4924183

>>4924163
Exactly
Games, at the time of their release, can be considered good in context. Expecially if they don't have a core premise that can be seen as timeless. Pac-Man, Space Invaders, Q*Bert and so on at their core, are pretty much perfect .
Other games, especially in the Fifth Gen, relied on things that would later be improved upon such as wowy-zowy 3D rendered graphics or were too busy trying to figure out things like 3D camera and movement schemes. As those things got refined, often within the same generation, those prior games just became too primitive in comparison to warrant revisiting. You could get the same, and better, experience elsewhere They aged poorly.

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>>4924183
>bubsy 3d the post

Which fucking games you talking about? You dumb blanket statement poster. If you play the crow on saturn or some low budget hackjob of a game, yeah its gonna suck, but theres so many early 3d era games that are great. I really think people who cant enjoy things from older generation are too high on the spectrum. Get the fuck over it, its not like were pushing a hoop with a stick
There fucking videogames! In the grand scheme of humanity, any fucking 3d game could be considered amazing just for fucking existing. Just because you have fucking problems in your head that limits your capacity to think outside your box and experience things from different perspectives, doesnt make early 3d games shit. Is it really that ugly? No, no its not. Try staring at a haggardly bloated drunk bums face for 5 seconds to see what ugly looks like. How fucking entitled and egocentric does one have to be, to think something so revolutionary, yet trivial, is to old or outdated to be enjoyed. I guess youve never driven a 67 camaro, its not the most practical or technologically advanced thing to drive, but damn does it have a way of still being enjoyed by a large number of people, but to you it would be to old, it drives like shit, the handling sucks, its too loud, why drive an old car when i can drive a new one?, its not as good as a tesla, blah blah blah.

>> No.4924248

>>4924235
>mad faggot the post
Try again after your mom has given you your pills.

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>>4924235
Holy shit he mad!

Please understand that when people talking about games aging, graphics are only a part of it.
That being said; everyone agrees gameplay is the most important aspect of any game, but if you don't think presentation matters you are retarded. Take Dwarf Fortress. No manual, interface or graphics. Played exclusively by turbo autists.

>any fucking 3d game could be considered amazing just for fucking existing.
Okay? So should any 2D game? And computers? And cars? And trees?

>> No.4924290

>>4924248
Try arguing against my post and not me or can your brain only muster up enough intelect to cast ad hominems like rocks in a glass house?

>> No.4924298

>>4924283
Why would you think that i dont think presentation matters? I literally talked about this.

>If you play the crow on saturn or some low budget hackjob of a game, yeah its gonna suck, but theres so many early 3d era games that are great

Nice taking my arguments out of context and then spinning it like cnn.

>any fucking 3d game could be considered amazing just for fucking existing.
Okay? So should any 2D game? And computers? And cars? And trees?

Still taking things out of context. I said in the grand scheme of humanity. And, yes any 2d games could be considered amazing just for existing.

My argument was against early 3d games being to outdated or primitive to be enjoyed. When that would only be the case for the most casual of casuals. Look, we are on a board dedicated to retro games. What the fuck are you doing?

>> No.4924301

>>4924290
You are making arguments against things I didnt even say so why bother?
Not worth it. Everything you said was stupid so it's much more to the point to say that you are an idiot.

>> No.4924306

>>4924298
In the grand scheme of humanity?!
Jesus...

Point is you can go back, having experienced a game that did things like camera and control and, yes, graphics, better and a certain other game might not be as fun as it seemed previously. Now when that game was banking on those aspects being their main draw...now what?
No idiot is going to be amazed at a thing simply by virtue of its existence alone. What kind of hippy bullshit is that?

>> No.4924329

>>4924306
>philosophy = hippie bullshit

Yeah, i may have gone a bit overboard on that part, but its still arguable!

Its a history lesson if nothing else, which you could say is boring, but thats just lazy. Its easy to look at games in retrospect, like bubsy 3d and have a good laugh at how bad the controls are. Enjoying something isnt a black and white issue. Hell even watching avgn is entertainment, people enjoy his characters interactions with old games, sometimes horrible games. He turns those negative aspects of the game into something we can relate with and enjoy.
Maybe you cant enjoy the different sides of things, take a step back and perhaps shift paradigms so you can understand and possibly enjoy something thats foreign to you. Does that mean bubsy 3d is a good game? No, no it doesnt. Can bubsy 3d be enjoyed? Yes, yes it can be. You dont always have to enjoy things for their intended reasons.

>> No.4924415

>>4924329
You are so far up your own ass, I just don't know where to start.
Fuck me, dude. Nothing you have said in three posts addresses the fact that some games don't seem as good as they did at first play because other games that came out later made them seem outdated and aged. Its a real thing, why deny it?

It doesn't happen to ALL games. Some games age wonderfully. But some games upon revisiting, just don't have the positive impact they used to for whatever reason.

>> No.4924428
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4924428

>be born in '93
>emulate games released in the 80s and have fun
>"YOU ONLY ENJOY THEM BECAUSE OF NOSTALGIA"
>well, actually...
>"OH YOU'RE JUST A HIPSTER FAGGOT, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE FUN

Okay, thanks for explaining that my enjoyment is illusory and illegitimate somehow.

>> No.4924432

>>4924415
>It doesn't happen to ALL games. Some games age wonderfully

You are wasting your efforts on someone who has proven repeatedly that the concept is simply beyond him. It's why these are all comedy threads to me at this point. He will never get it and is convinced there needs to be a debate about whether it's real because he's too dim witted to understand.

>> No.4924529

>>4924432
To be fair though, something aging badly has to do with changing expectations over time. If you were seeing all these games for the first time at the same time it would give a different impression.

>> No.4924584

>>4919615
>which no one gave a shit about in 1997
>is unbearable by today's standards
wrong

>> No.4924610

>>4924529
>something aging badly has to do with changing expectations over time.
Yes. That is literally the entire concept of a piece of media aging poorly or well.

> If you were seeing all these games for the first time at the same time it would give a different impression.

Assuming this person has never encountered a single video game before in their life, yes, they would all seem the same.

>> No.4924613

>>4924428
who are you quoting?

>> No.4924619

>>4924610
>Yes. That is literally the entire concept of a piece of media aging poorly or well.

Not him but that's why it's so hilarious to watch autists fail to wrap their head around it and then implode into a full on tard tantrum as a result. I heart these threads.

>> No.4924625

>>4924619
What else would they think it means?

>> No.4924643

>>4924625
They simply think the whole concept is a crock and that opinions and expectations don't change over time. Or that if they had fun while playing it that it could not have aged badly. That kind of thing, it's fun.

>> No.4924646 [DELETED] 

>opening shot
>drumpf played by fat owen wilson is in conference room reading something
>"uhh... niggers and spics are inferior to white also gooks, build wall!"
>drumpf starts to eat ice cream, exactly two scoops
>colbert stands up and yells "you cant do this mr president!"
>drumpf sucks in colbert with his ass while party rockers in the house is playing
>im flonald zlompf and this is my story
>drumpf winks on camera
>vince vaugh comes in
>"oh thats nasty mr president"
>poo poo pee poo
>ben stiller comes in as benjamin netanyhu
>what the fuck flonald!

>> No.4924647 [DELETED] 

>>4924646
based

>> No.4924678

>>4919410
it's "anon feels insecure about being old" thread.

oh joy.

>> No.4924707

>>4924678
OP is a little kid though

>> No.4924759 [DELETED] 

>>4924646

lol so random XD

>> No.4924920

>>4924643
>being this passive agressive
/vr/ is a men only safespace, mylady

>> No.4924939

>>4919410
No, I use that argument sometimes because I played the game and saw that it is far different compared to today's releases. It ages poorly because there are shoddy mechanics due to hardware limitations that we don't have anymore. It aged poorly because the equipment at the time couldn't be coded differently due to technological limitations.

>> No.4924953

>>4919410
>talk with a friend on how retro games should be rated today
>he thinks every NES game is a 2

So basically faggots can't into context and pretend games that were released 30 years ago should be as good as games released today otherwise they "aged".

>> No.4925075

>>4924920
Lol sorry to have hurt your feelings while I was mocking you for being mentally retarded.

>> No.4925078

>>4924953
Wow you're stupid.

>> No.4925079

>>4919410
>genres and game mechanics are never refined or streamlined
yeah there are dumb ways to abuse the "aged poorly" meme but it has it's place

>> No.4925270

>>4925079
What is it with kids thinking everything is a meme?

>> No.4925276

>>4925270
what? op is describing it as a meme. i'm just trying to relate

>> No.4925287

>>4925276
So you're saying you're smart enough that you know better, but misusing it because the idiot OP did? Congrats on being part of the problem.

>> No.4925324

>>4925287
..no. that wasn't even the point of my post. quit getting so hung up over one word

>> No.4925403

>>4925324
Not him, but the problem is that it's yet another example of a word being coopted to mean its exact opposite.
Dawkins defined his term to mean a cultural or inherited memory, something known without any or little external context, like how we can all tell a bad storm is coming due to pressure changes and wind speed, or the opening bars of Beethoven's Fifth despite most people never having heard the whole thing.
The internet hasn't ever produced a meme because they all need some sort of context or explanation and also due to the fact that it isn't old enough to really have had any chance to do so. The only internet meme is really the fact that the internet exists at all, I suppose.

>> No.4925435

>>4924953
I dont think thats the whole thing, but a big part of it. If you think something has aged poorly, that a subjective opinion. If you cant play a reputedly bad game and like it, thats also a subjective opinion. Aged poorly isnt fact its a matter of taste, poor taste in some cases, but sometimes the argument is valid. But that doesnt mean you cant enjoy a game that has a valid arguement of aging poorly. I just think its a stupid term. Thats like saying cave paintings aged poorly because overtime art has evolved.

>> No.4925438

>>4925435
>Thats like saying cave paintings aged poorly because overtime art has evolved.

And there it goes over someone else's head

>> No.4925469

>>4925438
I understand the concept, but its a shitty argument/statement.

>And there it goes over someone else's head(you)

>> No.4925491

>>4925469
Kids thing that everything that feels rough to play for them has to be objectively rough for everyone else. They literally can't imagine a person not being spoiled by modern gaming standars.

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4925536

>some books cant be read anymore because how slow their pace is, or how long are their descriptions about things that don't have any real relevance into the story
>some movies are unwatchable nowadays because their poor special effects, linear plots and cheesy acting
>some songs arent popular anymore because how plain their melodies are
>HURRR DURRR GAMES DONT AGE HURR DURR HOW DARE YOU TO QUESTION MY ABSOLUTE INABILITY TO REALIZE EVERYTHING EVOLVES AND THE STANDARS OF THE PRESENT ARENT THE SAME AS THE PAST HURRR DURRRRR

Thanks idiots for proving that stupid meme of that feel when with the monster can is probably right.

>> No.4925541

>>4925469
I literally am arguing for old games that people say "aged poorly" can be enjoyed and the subjective argument of, "because new games did it better" has nothing to do with the game in question, but a shitty attempt to discredit a game. If argued correctly by actually bringing up evidence that a game could be construed as aging poorly, thats fine, But nobody ever does that. Even with a valid argument, its not an end all be all argument of if that game can be enjoyed.

Do you understand that?

>> No.4925568

>>4925536

You're literally a moron if you drop any piece of media for the 'reasons' you mentioned. Being so boneheaded that you can't see the good in something because of one aspect you find dated is not something to be celebrated. You're allowed to feel that way but nobody's going to praise you for being willfully ignorant.

>> No.4925573

You can feel that a game's mechanics or implementation of said mechanics are "dated" while still liking the game. I think it's a totally valid statement if taken on a game by game basis. The issue is a lot of people aren't very articulate so "aging badly" ends up being a generic, vague catch all term.

Just as an example, Mega Man Legends. It's easily in my top 20 games, I adore a ton about it. But it's also a third person shooter/platformer that's stuck being played with what is essentially a snes controller. You've got no analog input at all. This makes for a pretty stark contrast when you're used to third person camera controls in modern games. Now, the lack of analog sticks doesn't inherently mean the controls HAVE to feel dated, it's dependent on how the game is designed to account for only having a d-pad and shoulder buttons for movement and camera manipulation. If the designers realized that the camera would inherently be awkward and thus design the game to account for those limitations then I'd say the game hadn't "aged poorly". It'd be a thought a game that's just a product of its time. However with Mega Man Legends, the level and enemy design largely (there are exceptions) don't really account for how stilted the controls are. It's a game that would straight up be better with modern camera controls, and in that regard I'd say it "aged poorly"

If you want an example of the opposite, Look at Resident Evil 4. Not retro, but try playing the PC port. Is aiming better with mouse controls? Definitely. Is the game balanced around mouse controls? Not at all. It becomes completely brain dead and all sense of tension is lost with how easy the game becomes. This is because the enemy design took into account the slow, awkward nature of aiming with a controller. The enemies are slow. They lumber. Enemy placement is generally funneled so you don't have to do a bunch of turning etc. In this case I'd say the aiming "aged well" because the game is designed around it.

>> No.4925578

>>4925536
>some books cant be read anymore because how slow their pace is, or how long are their descriptions about things that don't have any real relevance into the story
>some movies are unwatchable nowadays because their poor special effects, linear plots and cheesy acting
Imagine being this much of a brainlet

>> No.4925604

>>4925541
Of course a game that aged poorly can be fun. That you understand the whole concept so poorly that you think you need to argue that is part of what makes all these so fucking funny.

>> No.4925605

>>4925578

>implying anyone thinks that Casablanca as a movie or War and Peace as a book are still regarded as the "best ever" in their respective media

>> No.4925624

>>4925605
Please go to /lit/ and make a thread about books that are dated and aged poorly.

>> No.4925635

>>4925604
Maybe you get it (i dont think so), but its become a chore to deal with ignoramus' that spout the "aged poorly" meme like it means something. Its usually the crux of their argument.

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>>4925605
Holy shit, you are a good troll!

>> No.4925679

>>4925605

You cannot honestly be this stupid, I refuse to believe it. Good troll, kid.

>> No.4925706

>>4925624
>>4925638
>>4925679

funny you guys act like im trolling. But just think about this: have you guys ever saw a complete copy of War and Peace in your lives? probably not, because those kind of books usually are reduced by people with academic degrees in literature and remove like 20-30% of the book because they consider such a parts as unnecessary filler. And you can find examples as those with many other worldwide classics as Don Quijote, which also in the original version is over a thousand pages. Are you telling me then those books didnt "age" at all? That the only way to enjoy them it to read absolute everything?
Videogames do the same shit. People nowadays take for example Crash 1 and realize that the save system with the crystals was absolutely horrendous and in the remake they changed it. Resident Evil 1 on the PS1 made you backtrack between 2-3 trunks across the mansion like 10 times, so they changed in the Gamecube version.
So books can age. But videogames according to you guys dont. Maybe you guys are the trolls.

>> No.4925735

>>4925541
"Aged" goes hand in hand with "for its time".

You CAN say that cave paintings are a poor examples of anatomy or primitive examples of telling a story with pictures.Doesn't discredit their existence, doesn't belittle their historical value but goddamn, they just arent good pictures and if given a choice I'd rather look at the Sistine Chapel.

A game could have been good for its time but just not very fun anymore. Tomb Raider is one of those for me. It rocked my ass off back in the day but it just hasn't aged well. Its ugly, plays like shit and just over all isnt very fun anymore.
Sonic Adventure 2 is another. When I was a kid I liked it a lot. Going back to it now days....nah. I pretty much hate everything about the game.

Perseptions change and often those perseptions change for a large enough amount of people to be considered a consensus.

>> No.4925787

>>4925706
I have. It's on the second-to-top shelf of my dad's den.

>> No.4925879

>>4925635
And to me it's funny to talk about a simple concept like how well something has aged over the years and watch folks like you have little tantrums because you can't wrap your head around it for some unfathomable reason.

>> No.4925889

>>4925605
I'll do you one better - The Iliad and the works of Plato are some of the finest works of literature, and normies whining about how dated it is are absolutely irrelevant.

>> No.4925904

>>4919410
>>4919421
you ever considered it's not (just) about graphics, cockbreath? a game can have any element (e.g. interface) that was superceded by better solutions later or even has a corresponding newer game that does everything better, that's what it means

>> No.4926154

>>4925889
How can anyone still miss the point this badly?

>> No.4926157

>>4925904
Yeah, aging badly is almost never about graphics really.

>> No.4926174

>>4926154
Please explain your point then, I'm afraid I've lost it.

I still hold to my opinion that a work "aging" just means it wasn't good enough in the first place.

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>>4920135
>because if the game is bad now it was bad back then
CORRECT! That's the point. That's what the saying means, that while at the time it was the best you could get, overtime people saw it wasn't that good. It would be like arguing 128k speeds didn't age poorly, yes there was a time that was "lighting fast" but now it's horridly slow and most would sooner not use the web than wait what was once a mandatory minute or so for a 1mb picture to load.

>> No.4926273

>>4926174
>I still hold to my opinion that a work "aging" just means it wasn't good enough in the first place

That's why I'm laughing at you

>> No.4926298

The idiom is entirely valid and widely used.
Things that used to be common when a work was made will seem quaint or even bad after later works do things differently.

This isn't restricted to video games -- watch some older movies and you'll notice how just the way things are shot is really different, the camera positioning, how it's moved, what gets focused on, or how the characters speak, or the way they act, etc.
Or read older books, the way sentences are laid out, chapter structure, these are all things that will age relative to the perception of a more modern reader.

>>4925735
>Going back to it now days....nah. I pretty much hate everything about the game.
ooh, as many issues as I do have with the game, I still think there's good things to be said about it still
hell, even the graphics look pretty okay to me still, if a bit chunky
most of the issues I have with it today, I had back in the early 2000s (namely, the mech stages are jank, the camera is junk, and the item finding stages completely suck... but I still think most of the Sonic/Shadow gameplay is worthwhile, I enjoyed a decent chunk of the bosses, and the Chao Garden's a neat diversion that I'm still confused at why Sega hasn't capitalized on in nearly two decades, since it was so popular)

I'd be willing to say the game didn't age much at all beyond graphics, all the issues it has to a modern player were issues people would have complained about back at launch. Review scores tanked over the years, but paid reviewers are fucking worthless, and people had started to peddle the whole "Sonic was never good" narrative, which they got called out on when Mania released.

>> No.4926325

>>4919414
>lack of technical knowledge
Mate, just because old hardware couldn't handle gameplay features that are commonplace now doesn't mean old games get free passes. Imagine if on /v/ people actually argued
>The PS4 just can't handle 60FPS at 1080p, don't you know anything about hardware? You damn fool.

>> No.4926343

>>4925787
>Anon attempts to illustrate a point with a decently recognizable example
>"Actually, that example doesn't quite apply to me, so I think I'll just ignore literally everything else in your post."

>> No.4926357

>>4919421
I agree that its annoying when thats their whole arguments but if its the beginning or end of a larger argument than its fine

>> No.4926362

>>4919410
I remember a thread in here that lasted so long. It was about Goldeneye "being aged" but the OP never played it, he just saw gameplay on youtube and said that halo/half life were better.

They treat the game like it is unplayable when its full of detail and it is an unique game experience among thousands of generic modern shooters.

I fucking hate that buzzword argument used against the 5th gen when is one of the most humanly gens ever.

>> No.4926363

>>4926343
What? dude was just asking if we've ever seen a copy of War & Peace, so I answered him.

>> No.4926386

>>4926298
This and it's equally important to remember that some things age very well and become what we consider classics.

The Illiad someone mentioned is a perfect and ancient example.

>> No.4926391

>>4919410

Aged poorly isn't never about graphics you retard.


let me explain using a example :
diablo 2 was a really good game but it aged poorly because the Artificial intelligente is fucking horrible.

>> No.4927189

>>4926343
>Anon attempts to illustrate a point with a decently recognizable example
How is not being able to get into War and Peace or Don Quizote a recognizable example? That just proves that you have a low iq.

>> No.4927197

>>4927189
Yeah he'd been falling into the trap of thinking some things aging badly means everything must age badly so even classics must now be terrible. He was likely also the one who brought up cave painting too. It's equally painful and funny.

>> No.4927379

>>4919410
A game cant really age but I do think theres a level on which this comment makes sense and that's controls. After playing games for a long time certain buttons doing certain things just becomes ingrained and changing to a different control scheme is jarring.
To use >>4925536 example of books it would be like the book using archaic language. Sure, it can be understood but you might have to look the odd thing up and it wont flow as well as it could.
Alternativelt, it'd be like getting a new car where the pedals were reversed or the gears worked differently. The initial frustration might sour the experience.

Still, its not enough to condemn a game and anything else which has "aged poorly" was bad to begin with.

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>>4927379
Aging badly has a lot more than just being bad at the time. Many actually seemed quite impressive initially, it's just that as games and genres progressed they didn't hold up any more.

So if you were around to remember when Street Fighter hit, it was pretty amazing especially when you compared it to what else there was.

A short time later though, Street Fighter 2 came along and did everything so much better that the first game was just about redundant. And to this day, outside of curiosity there's not a lot of reason to go back to Street Fighter 1. It was a fine game, but it didn't age well.

Street Fighter 2, on the other hand quite quickly became a classic. It improved the basics from the first game so well that even after all these years and other entries in the series, it still holds it's own when compared. I am simplifying things a little if course, vanilla SF2 doesn't stand up as well as ST but you generally get the idea.

It's not necessarily that a thing was bad when it was new, it's more a measure if how much expectations have changed since it was new.