/vr/ - Retro Games

>human beings suck

Welcome to real life, OP.

>tfw any decent quality CD-R cost that much in the mid-90s.

He probably burned them for free you ungrateful little urchin.

>>4917783
Three euros? That's it? You shouldn't complain, I'd do it for more.

>>4917835
why wouldn't he burn them for free given his parents bought the burner and discs?

>>4917843
>why wouldn't he burn them for free given his parents bought the burner and discs?
Because then you would have asked him to burn you even more discs, while at the same time devaluing the effort on his part. And he didn't want you to leech off of his resources.

>>4917783
Did you know the disc swap trick? Did the Euro version not have copy protection? Was it modded? We stopped calling it PSX in 2003 when there was something officially named PSX no one bought but I saw on Tech TV and got confused.

>>4917856
>>4917835
This. Fucking entitlement, I swear to Christ.

>>4917856
Poorfag here. I always threw my bro a few bucks for burning me PC/PSX games before I got a CD burner in 2001. Its what good friends do.

>>4917901
>we
Ya no

Had I been that guy you'd have been getting the Montagu Withnail approach.

>Free to those who can afford it
>Very expensive to those who can't

I guess your friend learned to be rather more successful in business later on after these baby steps.

My childhood friend was a businessman with anything related to this. Softmodding and selling copies was his deal for way too many fucking years. Locals ain't give a fuck. That was his fucking job for a long time, still does some of this shit. He even sells shit now that is free if you look around. That's his business. I called him out on it a few times, but then I visited his shitty town and honestly, good for him. Fuck all of these people. He's nothing compared to the crooks that live there.

>>4918109
There's nothing wrong with enabling use of archive copies so the originals that are the license can be kept out of view of your mom's friend's druggie friend who crashed on the couch and then stole my copy of Dark Forces and one other game I forgot.

Charging per game was fine if the person burning the game also either owned the original copy, rented then ripped it, or downloaded the disc image (which could easily be more expensive than renting it).
However, if you are supplying the orig and copy disc and are just using the ripping/burning software and hardware, then I'd balk at a use charge between friends.

Capitally unethical behavior like charging for use of The Binder at a LAN was and is not to be tolerated even if you chose to donate a majority of the software contained inside.

>>4918179
What's a binder? hub/switch?

>>4917901
What is it with the revisionist history that anyone gave a shit about the actual PSX and that it somehow confuses people when the first PlayStation is called a PSX? The only way I could see getting confused by that is if your only exposure to that era is by reading Wikipedia articles or watching DID YOU KNOW-tier Youtube videos...

Wait. Never mind.

>>4917783
>>4917843
Sad truth of life is that people often appreciate things even less when done/given for free. Even if he burned you 50 discs for free, even including him eating the cost of the discs, you would've thrown a tantrum when he got tired of being used and refused to burn number 51.

>>4918186
The Binder with floppies/CDs of shared games and software, nowadays it'd just be a flash drive or dropbox/MEGA/magnet link.

I tend to wonder if the people who whine most about people asking for money for this kind of stuff are also the least likely to contribute themselves. What, you want money to release that rare ROM? How selfish of you! That should be free for the world! I won't pay you a penny, you hoarding bastard! But still better release it anyway, or I'm going to get so mad! Oh, you're asking what have I ever bought and released for free myself to warrant my entitled attitude...? N-nothing...

>>4918223
The games Byuu isn't illegally distributing under his own name can be bought for a dollar. He also gives them to someone else who shares when finished with them.

>>4917783
I use to charge people at school to burn discs. More if they wanted a printed cover to go with the case which was also extra. All o did for mates was charge for the CD or later on DVD only and they could do their own covers. Was a bloody good business venture to start at 14. Mind you this was in the late 90s.

>>4918250
In my opinion, you you have contributed in some meaningful way to whatever cause, you have "earned" the right to complain, but I highly doubt that the people complaining about byuu have ever released anything. As you allude to, they could just buy them themselves if they cared that much (and even then I bet they themselves wouldn't dump them). Yeah, some games are rare, but many rare game things aren't obtained through an intricate, black market web; a lot are just bought like how anyone else would buy them - from a collector, reseller, or insider on ebay, Yahoo, or a forum.

Similarly, I wonder what other potentially billable services OP ever provided for his friend.

>>4917783
>>tfw he sold me each disc for the equivalent of €3 even though I was his friend

if it worked that is a good deal, i fucked up so many burns and that really pisses me off to this day just thinking about that whole process tbqh

>>4917783
Was this back when you had to stop using your PC during burning or it would fuck up?

>>4917783
>tfw no one gives a shit about your made up commie bullshit
>>4917793
>tfw self loathing commie shitstain

>>4917783
Get better friends. I never had this issue.

>>4917783
That basically sounds like he was charging you for materials, and honestly I remember it being such a pain in the ass I'm astonished you got off that easy.

>>4917783
You know, I forgot how much I paid someone to burn my games as a young one but three pounds sounds lovely. Your friend was good, ya ingrate.

he was your friend not your parents lol

>>4918876
burning cds was easy as shit

>cd-rw
>dvd-rw
>blu ray-re
why not blu ray-rw?

>>4917835
Depends on when. mid-90's is ambiguous and the cost of a drive in 1995 was like 1000 but by 1998 it was like 100 or something. I remember buying like a spindle of 100 or so for like 30-40 bucks online like around 98-99, which is 30-40 cents each disc. Fuck, I still have a burned CD from 1999 with Q3A demo burned on it and a few other shit.

>>4917783
Cheap as rubbish. I made mixes off of napster and charged more for media

>>4917783
Are you sure you were his friend and not just a useful idiot?

>>4917783
>tfw he sold me each disc for the equivalent of €3 even though I was his friend
So?
Have you ever considered that CDs themselves cost back then roughtly ten times as much? He literally asked you to cover for a disc, you ungrateful bastard and probably would do this free of charge if you brought your own disc.

>>4917843
Maybe it wasn't brought by his parents?
Friend of mine slaved his ass for entire summer of '98 to get a burner. NOBODY complained, when he said that either we bring our own CD-Rs or he will simply have to charge us, because there is no other way for him to get CD-Rs.

>>4918328
That too. But burning generally tend to take a hour or two, depending on how much shit you were trying to cram and generally anything above 500 MB was risking that you are going to fuck up the entire process.

>>4918898
Which part of "charging for materials" you don't understand? Price of CD-Rs was around what would be today €2.25-2.5

Time is money friend

>>4917783

>be me
>invest in EXPENSIVE cd burner
>buy EXPENSIVE cdrs (they cost a lot more back then)
>Friend wants me to burn games for him
>Spend time figuring out how to properly copy the original discs (no easy downloading back then)
>Shit was finicky back then so sometimes burns would fail
>Do some simple math
>if I can burn a certain amount of discs before wear and tear will kill the burner that would make this and that.. kinda money.. percentage over time..
>CDR cost + % money it cost to acquire the discs
>He also wants a cover
>print it.. ink costs this much so percentage of this is that..
>jewel case cost since online stores werent a thing yet so had to buy a box of 10 in the store. (unless you bought a pack of cdrs in a jewel case, but those were more expensive)
>figure out the math.. add $2.50 for my time.
>well that comes to around a fiver anon.
>WHAT? I'M YOUR FRIEND! Y U NO DO IT FOR FREE?

>>4917783

Wait, did you expect him to just give you the discs too? I mean Ive given out freebies here and there but discs don't grow on trees.

>>4917783
> be you
> sad
> bitching that your friend was selling you games worth nearly 50 (at times) for 3 (not much more than the cost of a disc back in the late 90s)
your friend did alright by me. I would have charged you double. whos going to supply me with recordable discs? jesus? magical disc fairies? i wish. no, you pay up if you want discs. not even offering to cover the costs of the recordables puts you in the great book of fucking LEECHES.

>>4917793
hi there.

>>4917835
OP's just yet another one of those parasites that use their friends and think they'll do shit for free for them because they're friends.

>>4917783
So you are mad he was charging you for the CD itself, in times when CDs (especially quality ones) cost roughtly 8 times as much as today (if bought in bulk) or 10 and more times (if bought separately)
Get a hold of yourself, you fucking bitch. I bet he would do it for free if you brough your own CD

>>4917783
As someone who had a cd burner back then, nigga wasnt making bank off you.

Cds werent super cheap back in the day.

>get game for less than 10% of retail
>wtf bro
Retard general?

>>4917783
>Literally asks for material costs and nothing else
>Final product is still a tiny fraction of retail price
OP, why you are such a faggot?

>>4917783
Sony-niggers being jews like always. Worst fanbase

>>4920170
>Dude you're my friend! You should give me goods and services for free! Quit being stingy.

t. Every friend who never ever does anything for free in return for all the favors they guilt trip their friends into granting them

>>4917783

10 bucks cdn was the going rate back then(late 90s early 00s), if you factor in the cost of the cd and the fact it took a fucking hour to burn a cd, and the burns would fail, you couldn't run other programs etc.

I would have burned you the games as long you brought your own CDs anon.

>>4917783
>tfw he sold me each disc for the equivalent of €3 even though I was his friend
That is a really good deal
You are a fucking pos and I hope no one has to suffer your "friendship"

>>4917783
that's a good price. probably took ages to download those games, internet was a lot (esp in europe), burners cost alot, CD-R's cost a lot more, and you had to burn at like 4x speed to it took ages.

He probably made $0-.50 per cd.

>>4917783
i would've charged you more you entitled faggot.

>>4920441
Part of growing up is to cut ties with abusive assholes that aren't really your friends.

>>4920443
Hour was a fast one, usually it was two due to slowest possible setting to not fuck things up.
I still remember how revolutionary it was when suddenly you could burn at 16x without instant failure. Shit man, CD ready in 15 mintes? Sign me in!
Not to mention how huge a difference pendrives were, but that's not retro. 95 mb of space that doesn't have to be burned and literally can't fail? Only 100 bucks? Give me two!

>>4918906
>why not blu ray-rw?
Because pic related. And portable hard drive, too.
Blu ray exists pretty much solely for the purpose of movies at this point, since everything else is either done by fast internet connection or using portable memory. The advent of USB technology pretty much killed discs as a mean of moving data. I remember how I brought a 8GB pendrive in 2008, because at that point, games were slowly getting bigger than single DVD. It was cheaper to spend at once 15 bucks than buy 20 DVDs in the long run, especially since half of them would be left mostly empty when burning things.
By 2012 said pendrive was reduced mostly to a keychain. I still use it, don't get me wrong, but my actual "duty" memory is a 2TB portable drive, along with a 128GB pendrive for "small things".

Never sold burnt few to my friends. They have given me cd-rs so I can burn games for them.

>>4917783
>friend
never had one, never needed one, never will

>>4918210
what the fuck, who would charge for using that? As in, the group can't even play without the game? And it's not like it gets used up for installing a game