/vr/ - Retro Games

I've been a fan of TBS games and I enjoyed stuff like Fire Emblem and Advance Wars and I've never tried Shining Force. I hear it's similar to the above but what's the best one to start with and how do they play?

I tried Langrisser twice on the Mega Drive, but found the gameplay to be slow. Is SF similar in that regard?

>>4913287
Ohh fuck im just getting interested in the shinning games. Got shinning wisdom for satirn and was thinking of getting some mega drive imports. Is wisdom a good place start


R.I.P.

>>4913294
SF isn't like Langrisser in that you have lots of troops to move (note: if you're playing Langrisser put your troops AI on 'defend' so they follow their leader without needing to be moved) however it's still extremely slow because each unit gets their turn individually, the game's cursor moves slowly across the map, and you can't turn battle animations off.

>>4913316
I saw there's a GBA version which has improved sprites and such, is that a better version to start with?

>>4913294
I feel like SF2 is a good entry level game for the series.
A cute and diverse character roster, easy, but not baby tier difficulty, a colorful map with some seriously cool locations, and just fun all around.

Thanks God, another SF thread to keep autistically bumping for the next 3 months.

>>4913323
What locations do you consider good?

>>4913320
Not really, if you're going to try the series you might as well play the mega drive version of SF1. Just stay away from SF2; it's a disappointment in every way.

>>4913565
The Miniature Kingdom

>>4913574
>it's a disappointment in every way.

I didn't know it was possible to have taste this bad.

Babby's first tactics rpg, go play fire emblem 4 fags

>>4913625
>fire emblem 4

Thracia too hard for you, uh?

>>4913625
Why does FE always bring in the most obnoxious shitposters?

>>4913287
I just started one. It's inventory management is annoying.

>>4913580
Id say its battle at the way to Bedoe, battle with Kraken, battle at harpy pond and battle with Prism Flowers.

... Sometimes I wish there were more enemies at each map after New Granseal.

>>4913294
Langrisser is just the battles. It has ramped up difficulty that stems from goofy sub-troop mechanics and attrition.

The overworld exploration, rpg elements, story line, and class advancements all work better in SF games. It's like they cut out what didn't quite work for Langrisser, aimed the game for kids, and wrapped and rpg around it.

>>4913687
>hear all this shining force wanking
>try out SF 1
>inventory is cancerous

>>4913287
SF2 - absolute peak of the series.
RIP artist man.
F

At least we still have Tony Taka.
:<

>>4916146
>RIP artist man
You mean like literally dead or just that he got replaced?

>>4916146
>absolute peak of the series
>not the SFIII trilogy

The Suikoden V artist also passed this week.

I guess Curse Blood will never be finished, uh?

>>4916179
I wish we didn't

>>4913295
No. Personally I don't find Wisdom to be a good game at all. The Force games and the two dungeon crawlers are good, though

>>4917386
>Curse Blood

What? Didn't even know that manga was created by him.
Dude came a long way since Golden Sun. It looks amazing.

>>4920194
That art looks great. Like a nice blend netween old-ish character designs but with modern senaibilities. Looks real good.

You might remember from the last Shining thread I posted my impressions of Shining the Holy Ark as I played through the game. Well I finished it last week and here's my full opinions:

>What it did right
Semi-cinematic cutscenes were well done imho. You could see the character models looking at each other while talking, and when they talked to you they all looked at the camera, including your party members who temporarily separate from the first-person blob. I wish modern dungeon crawlers did this too instead of the lazy VN-style talkig heads we get so often. I also liked the very detailed map, and the fact that the entire game took place in a small-ish location instead of a world map. Allowed the devs to insert more detail imho, and none of the locations/dungeons felt like filler.

I liked the dungeons. The mansion in the forest is especially memorable with its horror-like feeling. I like the inclusion of curved corridors; adds variety. And gold star to whoever made the topsy turvy puzzle & the weighing jewelry puzzle in the South Shrine. Imho that was the best puzzle in the game. Also liked the fact that the town is an actual explorable location instead of just a menu. More dungeon crawling RPGs need that.

>What I disliked
The hidden item system is a bit uninteresting. I don't mind for there to be hidden stuff in puddles, picture frames, etc. but I greatly disliked that featureless walls at dead ends can also have stuff. Very little indication of anything being there other than 'hey, dead end!'. Combat I felt was a bit too simple, but that's true for a lot of Shining games so not a major cons. One thing I reallly wanted was faster battle animations especially for spells. Some spells can take like 8 seconds to resolve which is annoying.

Pic related from Kajiyama's twitter.

>>4913287
fuck. that's incredibly sad.
> no cause of death revealed
hrm. that's never a good sign.

http://www.siliconera.com/2018/07/19/the-suikoden-v-and-golden-sun-illustrators-have-sadly-passed-away/

>>4916179
Tony Taka is the cancer that started this new shitty Shining era.

>>4913294
In Langrisser, troops matter more in the beginning than at the end. Once your heroes are leveled up, they're walking tanks. The troops aren't even useful as cannon fodder.

Hey, I'm replaying Shining in the Darkess right now and remember back in the day there was some kind of trick to keep the guest characters in your party indefinitely?
Anyone knows how to do it?

>>4916146
I double this.

Also, does anybody else think that enemies in SF3 in general have more HP, but weaker in terms of ATK and DEF, compared to SF1 and SF2?